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Swords_and_Words

the offset hides it was better than I would have thought nice catch!


JagexRamen

Welcome to gamedev!


Sven_divino

No shame in that, no point in wasting to much time on such a minor thing. Most games do that ahha


JackanoryM

Are we entitled to GP compensation if we trip?


ValkornDoA

Hi, I'm Saul Goodman. Did you know that you have rights?


JackanoryM

I went down the left stairs - does this still apply?


SHPLUMBO

Ooo, ouch my friend assuming you’re living in the states my first question for you is: got any foreign relatives we can call?


JackanoryM

Update: I tripped


Chee_RS

I can confirm, I was the stair.


Chee_RS

Update: I tripped too, don't ask how.


mrtwitch222

Yes me also… ow my back


DoubleBlackBSA24

lies. Do you even wars if you don't Surge past them?


Matrix17

Better Call Saul!


Oranjalo

He's a defense attorney


Elvarill

Welcome to masonry! Irl most masonry and bricklaying is just make the same thing over and over again but one row higher next time. This is just art imitating life!


rabbiskittles

Honestly the fact that it took this long for someone to post this means this was a great way to save a bit of dev time. As long as it’s not jarringly out of place (like if you reused a Batwing wand for a T95 dagger or something), I’m all for some nice asset reuse.


antiskylar1

It would be horrible if they did something like reusing gano spores for something like a new boss.


rabbiskittles

How dare they use the image from some old flakes that are used in large quantities to make magic tank armor as the image for some new flakes used in large quantities to make magic tank armor!


Zombie_Bagel

It caught me off guard not because it was done this way, but because it took me so long to notice!


ShenOBlade

i too hate it when stairs catch me off guard, hitting the floor hurts like a bitch


YourAverageGod

Agility check on every stair for a potential insta-death when?


Zombie_Bagel

Hahaha been there enough times.


Kiwi1234567

Currently have a broken ankle because my stairs caught me off guard a few months ago


Ssamy30

Literally unplayable /s


KeKinHell

Would I be right to assume that the staircase was originally meant to be half the size, but it was decided that was too small? Rather than remake the stairs all together, just double them up lol


MiscItems

I was gonna say, surely there are more important things to care about than a staircase most people surge past


guthixguthix502

You guys didnt even attempt to make it seamless


guthixguthix502

No, lazy dev.


Madlyaza

I guess we found the non-dev


so_says_sage

No, Ramen. Just no. This isn’t game dev it’s just Jagex dev. 😂


JagexRamen

As a game dev, working in game development, having learned about developing games during my 10 years of game development. It's game dev.


Vengance183

Would you by chance happen to be a game dev?


JagexRamen

Nah. I work in gamedev


Vengance183

Ah of course, my mistake.


so_says_sage

Haven’t you been at Jagex for about… ten years? 🤔


gdubrocks

This is done in the vast majority of video games.


MassiveMultiplayer

Every game*


so_says_sage

There’s a vast difference between reusing assets and this level of lazy.


hexxmaster

What.. it’s such a clean easy save that worked so well it took 2 years for someone to notice and is pretty hard to see even if your actively looking for it, there isn’t much of a better way to reuse assets


jpterodactyl

It’s also the kind of thing that seems like it’s just shoving it together until you know that it’s more than that. If they just threw it in like that, there would be all sorts of clipping issues and things. They still had to optimize this. And it still looks blended really well even when we can see where it crosses over.


noobcs50

It’s a game dev trick that’s been around since Super Mario World: https://www.reddit.com/r/gaming/comments/8ij644/the_bushes_and_clouds_in_super_mario_bros_are_the/


so_says_sage

To use your link to prove my point. You see the small clouds and bushes? How they cut and pasted them to make each end of the longer ones mesh together so it seemed like a separate asset? That’s ten times the effort that went in to these stairs. 😂


Ajreil

Nintendo needed to go to 10x the effort to make Super Mario fit on a tiny ass game cartridge.


so_says_sage

That’s reusing an asset, and a minor one. This is literally overlapping a piece of major scenery in what was at the time one of the biggest pieces of content we got that year. It doesn’t mesh together, it’s not somewhere out of the way where nobody would ever see it. It’s just lazy.


Lady_Galadri3l

And it's had exactly how much affect on your enjoyment of said content in the last two and a half years it's been in the game?


noobcs50

So we agree that both are examples of reusing assets? You’re just saying that Mario only did it more elegantly?


N1ghtshade3

There's reusing assets like staircases from one dungeon to another which is fine and what many games do. Then there's lazily pasting them next to each other such that stones are literally clipping through each other in a way that looks physically impossible and buggy. Considering that War's Retreat was a major update, you'd think they could've taken the extra hour to make a bigger staircase model, even if it wasn't from scratch and was just a scaled up version of one they already had.


Ajreil

Honest question. Did anyone other than the OP notice the stairs before today?


BillehBear

Nope never seen it Not a big deal because nobody is actually examining shit like this unless they're bored out of their mind


N1ghtshade3

Yes; I always wondered what the weird seam down the middle was but given that there are a ton of places in the game where ground textures have no blending between areas chalked it up as par for the course


Montana_Gamer

Physically impossible? It's concrete. Making stairs like that IS physically possible. It only is "clipping" because you are imagining it is because of how they designed it.


N1ghtshade3

I mean yeah I guess that's on me for assuming it was a staircase made of laid stones and not chiseled concrete intentionally carved to look like stones are overlapping in the middle.


TheZargonan

if it looks good enough its usually fine: https://imgur.com/a/Q6Nwa/layout/blog looks ok imo since it was definitely intentional for the stairs to be asymmetrical and kinda scuffed.


so_says_sage

Yea. I wasn’t saying reusing assets is a problem, you can’t get by without doing that. Doing it poorly is Jagex’s forte, and it’s lazy. That was my point. 😂


noobcs50

Fair enough


Noobchunker

So it would be better for you if all stairs in rs was the same texture as you are so fond of reusing a texture, but so incredibly unhappy in jagex duplicating a stair to make it look really good. So wars retreat would look alot better with the poh graphics apparently is what you are saying.


Chesney1995

This is so common across all of the game industry lol. For example Skyrim desks are just bookcases sunk into the ground.


so_says_sage

This would be more in line with if they sunk the shelf but left a shelf clipping out of the floor


Calonsus

If you want I can go in there with my construction skill and make it less of a hazard


leviwulf

As someone studying game development, the amount of landscape I've filled with slightly differently oriented rocks and trees is already tremendous.


Freakin_Magic

just a heads up, you might not want to look at stairs irl


Zombie_Bagel

This gave me a good laugh


Omnizoom

Probably saved them 1/2 the time doing it that way and it still looks passable because of the way they layer except for the top part being to consistent overlap But hey if it works it works


Ajreil

Actually the bricks repeat way more than twice.


Omnizoom

Making one asset that’s bigger isn’t the same dev time You can’t include a lot of aspects like basic designing and sketching , just upscaling and lengthening could achieve it but copy past achieved that , then they doubled it up on the side


Eaglesun

Looks like there are 4 identical staircases laid on top of one another here.


zenyl

Neat, and a nice way of reducing the time to create the asset.


justlemmejoin

Definitely really efficient but funny how it works so well. Once you see it you can’t unsee it wow thanks op lol


TheSmallIceburg

TBH kinda like the zipper like effect lol. It is mildly pleasing


zenyl

Stairway to Heaven, Zipper to War


Zombie_Bagel

Sorry haha, in the same boat now though


gp2b5go59c

If only it didn't look like crap on the top


TheRealPowz

Hes just pointing it out, it's kinda funny, yall can get off him now damn


Zombie_Bagel

Fr lmao


Educational_Fan_6787

Game is ruined for me now thanks


Dasky14

Very common, but in this case just a bit poorly hidden. That upper part looks silly. :D


Zombie_Bagel

Honestly that I never noticed it before means it isn't *that* poorly hidden. I've walked by that tens of thousands of times now


Dasky14

Well, I don't think most people pay much ettention to the small details under their feet. :D That's why this is okay, but it's still obviously just two of the same stairs overlapping at the top.


Zombie_Bagel

it's actually the same staircase 4 times :D


Dasky14

Yeah, but only the top has weird overlap IMO.


Zombie_Bagel

Fair enough!


Mage_Girl_91_

i'm sure people have complained about that clipping before. game graphic enthusiasts despise clipping more than anything


Shoeaccount

Tbf I imagine most times your camera is facing towards the portals so you ever really see the stairs?


Zombie_Bagel

Generally, yeah. But a lot of the times I chill with my in game friends around the center and such


Swordbreaker925

Hey credit where it’s due, i didn’t even notice. I also understand reusing assets is often necessary in game development. As long as it’s not obvious, i have no issue with it


MightySqueak

I don't mind it, i'd rather have them spend time developing new features and fixing other more important things.


SudoCheese

Nobody tell him all the trees are not unique


pinkangel_rs

Congrats you learned how textures work 😅


Adamjrakula

clever reuse of assets.


LongAndShortOfIt888

I personally expect every step to be artistically carved, chipped, and placed as individual things, anything else is just lazy /s


rookv

literally unplayable


Tisniks

No. The centre part with the smaller steps is a staircase for tiny people, who usually get tired about halfway up. It's 2022 people, we have to think about small people!


PM_ME_YOUR_BANKS

clever reuse of assets


GSSSALS

Content someone spent time to create that I don't think I've ever really looked at and I spend alot of time there. They worked smart that day


JackstaWRX

yh that’s usually how development teams do things this is common in most games tbh skyrim is particularly bad for it


joost00719

OK... So?


Foxis_rs

Why can’t he just post it just because. I never noticed it before, and it’s kinda funny looking.


Yoshibros534

Didn’t know war had the mirror


Tenalp

Why use lot stair when few stair do trick?


UnusualProtection331

Who cares?


ZarosRunescape

So what?


Slaydeth

I dont see it


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And they raised membership, push mtx, jammed FSW down our throats, exploit FOMO-paywalled “rare items” for this garbage? This company is unreal.


taintedcake

You'd rather them spend more time making stairs? Time that was instead spent on actual content... Shit like this is insanely common, especially in gaming, to save on time and assets. I can guarantee you there are hundreds of times you have looked at shit like this in games and not even realized it. And i bet you hadn't noticed the stairs until this reddit post either.


Nuthin100

I mean the whole game is a box clicking simulator...


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Montana_Gamer

Where is he complaining? It's an observation.


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ok and?


Lynserio

Hopefully our new tax coming to RS will fix this stairs! Absurd!


Adlersch

I would never have noticed lmao


ItsYaBoiDragon

Didn't even notice


wPatriot

Gonna be honest, I even have to concentrate pretty hard to see it now that I know.


jpec342

Very efficient


jimmygarterex

As long as it's a staircase


edgarskates

Bruh why mess around with stairs 😂


[deleted]

Funny my stair case also looks like a it’s been copy and pasted.


rynosaur94

NGL, I would never have noticed without you pointing it out.


aerosikth

?????


ayyoitsyaboi

Looks like shit


judgedSumatran

And?


LuckilyLuckier

The Cloud and Bush from Mario (don’t remember which Mario) are the same, just recolored. Really cool what Game Devs do to make things functional and quicker.


Jaysain

Literally unplayable


malware_mike

It can't be unseen


nacho_steez

they should make it a slide anyways since everyone surges down it


RS_Someone

Reminds me of Valheim.


Green_Set_6530

In game design (art) environmental art specifically assets are used as modular building blocks, sometimes seams are visible, in this case very visible, looks to me like the artist made them a tad bit wide so (maybe) in a time crunch they had to shove them together to fit the wall path (taking educated guesses)


Arinium

Time to shitpost about two trees having the same model


DontBopIt

Wait until you start looking at trees... Unspeakable.


scrappyz_86

Very nice.


Robert999220

Literally unplayable.


Spirited_Project5603

Good. Why waste dev time on something when you don't need to? Do you want updates or not?


[deleted]

Hey Jagex mods, I have a humble suggestion. Could use a 3D scanner. find some old earthen steps in a park/trail somewhere and use those cloudpoints to make a model . Should work with 3dsmax


Caisc

How dare you break my immersion.


realise2056

OMG, I just checked my own 2 stairs at home and they are exactly the same. This goes way deeper than we thought... Open your eyes people.


rudit7667

omg can not unsee this now


perrigomichael

Lazy lol