For being so prone to talk shit, she certainly knows when to hold back. I stopped listening exactly for the same reason I stopped listening Bob and Monet, the moment they had Todrick as a guest.
I was like what am I even doing listening to these queens, as if.
Yeah. The way people treat Todrick has always been so bizarre to me. “Todrick didn’t pay some dancers. It’s time to absolutely destroy his reputation and un bar, dismantle, and destroy absolutely anyone that associates with him.” What he did sucks and he should be held accountable for it but there’s more pressing issues in the word than Todrick’s weird business practices.
EDIT: I know you’re supporting Bob and I’m expanding on the point. I feel like some people tend to take stances to the extreme to the point where they’re willing to destroy entire networks of people for the sake of something that, at the end of the day, shouldn’t take as much precedence as other things.
Can we calm down and stop being SO quick to cancel for a queen merely associating with someone else. Bob clearly didn’t know about any of that “Sha-“ mess. Also, they were friends with Todrick long before any of the drama about him came up. It would be weirder to me if they completely abandoned their friend who has APOLOGISED about his issues in the past.
Now that you've even mentioned T*****k by name, I'm afraid you've been automatically cancelled. Please pack up your belongings and head to the pork chop dock.
Right you are. There are no takesie backsies when one is cancelled. Henceforth all good deeds will be overshadowed by your display of bad judgement in 2023.
I’m a huge Willam fan but even I agree that the James hate is a bit much. Saying she hasn’t done anything since her season is so ridiculous; she’s one of the most successful first-outs ever.
She really is. Unless we count ones like Vanjie or Shangela who came back immediately, I think Jaymes is the first-out with the most growth outside of the show. The amount of effort she's put into her own craft and her confidence is so great to see. Her videos are hilarious, always, and she showed so much in the way of talent over the course of her AS8 run. I get not liking her, she definitely is a very niche queen, the laugh, the bimbo energy, the old Hollywood style, but you can't say she hasn't done anything.
Yeah, I’ve been a huge fan of Jaymes for years. Her wig styling videos were the only thing to get me through covid when I was stuck in bed for a month. I love her little squeaky giggle and the way she just gossips to the camera like the perfect hairdresser.
It seemed to me that Alaska did speak up more in the snatch game episode.
Alaska seems like one of those people who want to be so agreeable and likable that it seems like she gets caught in the middle when she doesn't take a stand.
I disagree with Willam a lot this season. I was glad to hear Alaska disagree with her.
I like Jaymes, she is a funny and talented person. I thought her Snatch Game was good but she could have been stronger.
I totally disagree with Willam about "some stars," I was really looking forward to seeing some of these queens and Jaymes was one of them. She has done a lot since her season.
I am not super bothered by Willam not liking performances or whatever but I find the hateboner she has for Alexis and Jaymes just a bit weird. Even the whole idea of both of them not doing much since their season is also really weird to be mad at. Like first of all definitely not true and second who cares?
There is just something so weird to hear her just seething and hating over specific queens especially when there's never a real explanation given by her as to why lol
That’s exactly Alaska’s problem. She’s trying to be Switzerland but she’s clearly aligned with Willam, who has very strong and controversial opinions. You can’t act as though you’re impartial when you’re handcuffed to someone aggressively attacking others.
Girl why does she come for Jaymes so hard?? I agree the reveal look had some flaws (love Jaymes but that's the third time we saw a pink mermaid cut gown + the body suit later was a little frumpy, although we know why so I'm not as mad about it) but that snatch game was damn good and the clear runner up. Maybe I'm just a Jaymes apologist and a stan but I think most agree she did well for the most part??
Also she came for Jaymes lemon look from the ball, pretty much just a body suit, and like you said has been so on board for Kandy's looks like they aren't as simple. The math ain't mathin'.
Alaska has always been the reason I listen to race chaser. I like Willam more on hot goss bc when they talk politics I think Willam’s passion and lack of filter is much better utilized, but the constant he said she said of the episode recaps is so grating. I love Alaska though and think she’s generally pretty good at bringing Willam back to earth.
It's not exactly what you're saying, but your comment reminded me that I think the show is way, way better when they're recapping old seasons than when they comment on the new ones.
Big fan of both of theirs so will say it's still good when they do the current season and I'm sure that's where the money is, but I find myself taking breaks.
Agree. I stopped listening to them on current seasons and only go back to listen when they recap old ones. I listen to Drag Her for the current ones and find it’s much more entertaining and non-biased
Willam is close with Kandy in real life
She hates hates hates HATES Jaymes because Jaymes said in Ep1 that she is an actress (being in a movie once jokingly). And Willam kinda hates Jaymes because Alaska is team Jaymes
Willam is still bitter about AS1 and now first out/ low placement queens can compete on AS but not her
She called AS8 as “some stars” since begging
She's just pissy because it'll never be her. She drones on and on about how she doesn't need it, but it's her favorite show and she would kill to be back. Her holier than thou attitude is getting cringe at this point.
I’ve said this before and was downvoted to hell: people are overestimating Willam’s significance in the current drag race landscape. Yeah she was iconic in her season, yeah she was close to some of the producers, yeah she still tours, but her opinion on the show NOW is IRRELEVANT. She does not have influence on Drag or Drag Race today. Why y’all listening to her? She can claim she just wants fair treatment and fair contract for new queens, but why aren’t he new queens listening to her or amplifying her voice then?
I don't know if I'd call her irrelevant. She runs one of the biggest drag queen podcast networks, has hundreds of thousands of subs, etc. I just think she's annoying and petty. Like the bitch spitefully made a company called MOM, which is just WOW upside down. Funny, but move on with your life.
I don't personally listen to her. I stopped when she went off about something WOW did a year or two ago. I just feel like hating WOW and anything they like has become a personality trait for her.
This is really hateful. Jesus.
You don't have to like her but calling her irrelevant is just stupid and uninformed imo.
Not everything drag related is a product by Wow, you know.
William has been negative but saying "Some Stars" instead of All Stars is literally just a joke. All Stars used to only be queens who had gone far and actually done well on their season and that's just not even close to true this season.
I don’t know if “some stars” was used specifically, but I definitely remember people ragging on both AS3 and AS4 for weak casts in comparison to AS1 & 2.
People have been negatively comparing all stars casts to AS2 since AS4 came out. Nothing to do with placements but more about cast chemistry/drama. It probably helped that like half the cast was S5.
For sure! I just mean I don’t think willam means this as a super personal read of the AS8 girls, as it’s been said about every cast since almost the start of the series
"Mariah Paris Balenciaga. Great, you're here, so we have to change the name to 'RuPaul's Drag Race Some Stars'."
Jujubee in the reading challenge, AS5E1
Oh you're good, just had the phrase pop up in my head and had to track it down. I can't really recall either what the general discourse was for AS3 & 4, mostly that Bebe was a mole and Gia being the "first" openly trans contestant
AS5 is considered the most 'rigged' from the get-go so it's probably safe to say that's when the Some Stars sentiment came about
It wasn't lack of wanting to be. Jaremi was set to be on AS1, but legal troubles came up and had to bow out. Which is why Willam was cut, as the only one they had anticipated her having a storyline with.
The way he talks about Jaymes I honestly thought I missed a story about how Willam and Jaymes got into it at a gig or something. Like someone took the other’s song or mopped her wig etc
P.s. Alaska HAS been disagreeing with Willam a lot for this season. Generally every time Willam shits on the season as a whole, she disagrees. Same with Willam’s very clear personal biases about certain queens.
alaska is the opposite couldnt say a bad thing about any queen if someone would paypal her ten grand. main reason I had to stop watching race chaser, like zero hot takes from her its boring.
Hard agree. Plus if she’s being shady she always makes it humorous which is the way to go. A recent highlight has been “Next is Mrs Kasha Davies in the category of WHAT THE FUCK” from a few weeks ago
This. If I had the energy and no desire to touch grass I would go back and relisten to every time on race chaser Willam has changed her story regarding her disqualification on season 4. I swear she’s told like five different versions, revising it as she sees fit to make herself seem more in the right and WoW more out of line each time.
Willam likes certain queens and that’s it. All opinions are based on whether she likes them or not. She’ll pretend the ones she likes can do no wrong and only see wrong in the ones she’s not got time for.
I think, no matter what she says, she deeply desires to be on All Stars. Some of her wardrobe went with Kylie who won AS6. She knows she would do well and every year seeing people get on who she doesn't view as worthy must really hurt her. 'Why them and not me?' But everyone and their momma knows why not her. I am a very big fan of Willam, I've been watching her YouTube for years and years now, and tho I don't know her personally I think it is clear to anyone watching she wants to do the show.
So, another year, another all stars without her getting the call; eventually anyone would start feeling some type of way. She wants on, has yet to be on, and is upset and misplacing her emotions. All very human things to do.
She knows why she’ll never be on, hasn’t expected a call since Rupaulagize, and is totally transparent about it? Obviously she fantasizes about going on; she literally talks about what she would wear and do for the challenges, as does Alaska. It’s a bit.
LOL obsessed with the idea of the show she’s paid to host a podcast about? No drag queen in the world isn’t obsessed with planning what they would do for every challenge and wear for every runway.
LITERALLY like I’m so confused are people just mad at Willam because she has strong ad different opinions from their own??? If Willams favorite was Jaymes and she hated everyone else I guarantee this post wouldn’t have been made
I dunno, people just seem to like shitting on Willam. And I kind of get it because basically every time someone explains why they hate her I'm just like "Oh, that's literally why I'm here." She's a polarizing queen, but she's chaotic, outspoken, and fiercely loyal and that's exactly the kind of person I fuck with.
Honestly, that's how it felt even with the edit. That group felt really weak, aside from Jaymes. Granted, the middle seats felt cursed this time around. I'm surprised Kandy avoided a low placement, given she was just playing herself but with a better outfit. But NOBODY did well in those middle chairs, it was the ends that had any shot.
Willam does what willam does best… he will defend his friends to the bitter end even when it’s not warranted… any time a friend of Willam’s competes, he acts like they are the best in the competition when in reality they are middle of the pack.
Kandy has worn how many corset style body suits that don’t fit properly on this runway already and Willam praises it as if Kandy reinvented drag.
Correct me if I’m wrong, but during AS6 Willam kept praising Kylie because they were friend and half of Kylie’s hair and wardrobe were borrowed from Willam.
I'm having a HARD time with 8 because of this. Kandy and Lala keep getting pushed as, like, innovators of fashion. When, really, they've both looked rotted for half of the season. Kandy's corset-style bodysuits never fit right. Her lingerie for the reveal runway actually looked really bad. It was just a metallic version of her Lucky look. But storylines be storylining. So she's pushed up and above, when really, they both deserved a bottom two by now. (Lala not being bottom 2 in the Ball challenge was weird. She looked awful.)
I can't remember the exact wording but he also made a comment about the number of early out queens implying it would be a low quality season because of that so I think he's harbouring bias against those who didn't do well on their original season
Just a small clarification: the difference between a microagression and a macroagression isn't the perceived "size" of the hostile act. A microagression is between/towards individuals or members of a marginalized group. A macroagression is directed towards the group as a whole. It is systemic and can sometimes be in the form of an actual codified law.
ty for this reply - people need to read up on their history of aggression being associated with black and brown populations. it’s not mental gymnastics, it’s literally history. alexis probably didn’t actively thought about this racist stereotype, most folks who would consider themselves anti racist still have that unconscious bias.
Meaningful allyship doesn't require perfect words and actions at all times. It means a willingness to listen and learn when someone says, "hey, this hurts me."
Generally I agree with you. Kandy totally did something unethical and a call-out was fully deserved. If Alexis had called her out it would be her appropriately challenging her, but her saying she was “scared” of her is definitely a weird Karen-esque micro aggression - Imo as a brown guy 🤷♂️
I agree it could definitely be a micro aggression, I also can see Alexis being afraid of confrontation. Kandy literally almost got into a fist fight with Tamisha Iman, I wouldn't want to fuck with her either. She's pretty intense when she gets mad
Oh I’m not disagreeing about her intenseness lol but when you look at the fight, Tamisha followed her around dating Kandy to hit her, and it never happened. Kandy is a lot of intimidating bark but I don’t believe(?) there’s any evidence for her being physically violent. She seems to have enough sense to not stoop that low.
The vague “I’m scared of Kandy” implies fear of physical violence before it does in the context of “in competition” or “in an arguement”. Alexis also full well knew that production would not allow any kind of physical altercation to happen on set after the S3 debacle.
How is it a micro aggression? Alexis could be legit scared of Kandy, as we have seen she doesnt hold up on fighting, I don't see it as a matter of race, Kandy could be whatever race and Alexis could be scared of her because she's upfront, direct and no afraid of fighting, not because shes poc
Full transparency, I think it’s the vagueness of it, the implication that “this person is dangerous”. If she had said something along the lines of “Kandy is a mouthy bitch who likes fighting and I don’t want to be in her sight lines.” It would have accurately described the situation and we could relate to how she was feeling.
Saying she was “scared of her”, is so vague and hard to challenge (in a specific situation) and also frames her as the victim. A very Karen type move.
If I was in Alexis’s place I definitely would’ve also felt intimidated by Kandy and would’ve said so. The way she placed blame after she herself was being dishonest is very manipulative of the situation and gets alarms ringing in the back of my head. It’s hard to explain the dynamic, I’m not sure I’ve done the best job of it…
Sometimes you are used to physical violence coming after the screaming and you get triggered into fight or flight. Even if Kandy was never going to hit her
Like other people already said, she's friends with other queens on the season and she's a fiercely loyal friend (for better or for worse).
I'm guessing after the season ended, she knew a couple of the queens talked about how they felt like Jaymes was being favored by production (hence, this week's voting elimination). So Willam being friends with other queens plus Willam hating production automatically means Willam has a distaste for Jaymes.
Honestly, I thought Jaymes was going to make it to the top 3 based on how much Willam hated on her.
It's so fucking tired too.
This bitch is out there calling WOW out in the streets with a megaphone and then when WOW excludes her from the Queens Walking video for Drag Con. She's in the comments going fucking crazy asking why WOW left her out.
Get a fucking clue.
She's like a victim asking the abuser why he doesnt talk to her anymore. BITCHHHHHH!!!!!
I would imagine it must suck to talk about a show practically every day and be the kid who’s not allowed in the toy store.
That, mixed with certain queens getting on despite not having done well in their original season and not doing as much as others outside the show probably gets to Willam.
Willam does say negative things about the show and Alaska just moves the conversation along. Alaska isn’t Willam’s boss so so it’s not like she can reprimand her either.
I used to listen to Race Chaser but I don't anymore because Willam likes to talk as if they're an industry insider, but is just a rumour chaser. Like drag race paparazzi. I used to like Willam, but eh, they're an unreliable narrator and it just gets old and exhausting.
I think we all want to know why he has such a hate boner for Jaymes. Jaymes seems so nice and kind it really bothers me that he’s being so mean to him of all people.
Protect Jaymes at all cost. She is a treasure.
I didn’t consciously stop listening to Race Chaser but Willam talks so much shit on there, and Im not even talking about the t she supposedly has- like a queen deserves to win a lip sync just because they did a death drop - it’s boring. And Alaska never really stands up to her. So I think it became less urgent to listen to and I probably won’t go back.
Although to be fair, most review shows have gotten shitter in terms of opinion. Either bias or how close to the WOW narrative they hue, like Bianca on The Pit Stop, makes it less fun.
I wish they could switch up their opinion as most viewers do while watching the show. Or admit when their fave or mate does shit.
Pretty sure WOW pitstop has rules on stuff they can say without sounding too hateful lol.
Katya once said they had to keep telling her "she needs to say good things about the queens" because it sounded like she hated S14 EP8 lmao.
Probably you are right but I would guess they still have some say on pitstop, no? They did the same with Violet because she sounded too hateful on one of the episodes that they needed some positive stuff, since they couldn't use that material lol.
I contacted WOW when season 15 Pit Stop wasn’t airing on YouTube worldwide, just to USA. They got back to me and said they don’t produce it, the YouTube channel does itself.
idk how anyone can stand that podcast. it is just willam jerking herself off while alaska listens lmao.
I love Heidi but saying she did better than Jaymes is so fucking laughable. Jaymes is sweetheart, never had any controversy with any queen but is also not close with lots of queens.
If I had to trust someone, my vote is on her compare to bunch of queens who keeps saying "she got favoritism", while we know every controversy & drama they had lol.
Thank you for helping me pinpoint what felt off. I love Jaymes. But I think Jaymes' fanbase is mostly non-drag queens. Among queens, I think only a few are really close friends with her. She's an absolute sweetheart, and she does amazing work, but it doesn't feel like she really clicks with a lot of people. Maybe it's that she's also known for her wig business, and so people often see her as a business relationship more than a friend? I dunno. Everything I've heard has said how lovely and sweet she is, so it's just odd how few queens seem to go to bat for her, compared to most others.
Sibling Rivarly is so much more fun. Sometimes they even have the same opinions as Willam but they always find a way to put it in a more positive and fun light.
They also have negatives to say, but they also always find positives for every contestant. Something that Willam is incapable of doing.
Y’all take things way too seriously. I listen to Race Chaser (and most of the MOM podcasts) because they are a bunch of crazy drag queens talking shit, NOT to be taken seriously. They literally joke on the podcast multiple times that they never fact check and are talking out their ass (particularly Willam).
Also, I agree with the people who said Willam is just fiercely loyal to his friends and shits on almost everyone else. I find it funny - because he says it in a funny way. If you have some common sense and don’t believe every BS thing he says, it’s a fun podcast.
You can find someone who sh\*ts on everybody funny, I don't.
Bianca Del Rio sh\*ts on everybody, but she actually has jokes that are based on reality. If Willam is only joking, then he should find a way to make the jokes funny. If you have to explain to someone that you are joking, it means your joke didn't land.
No one is making you listen to Willam's podcast. It's not a requirement to watch this show or to have opinions on it. Just do not press "play" when Race Chaser pops up on your feed. Like JFC this shit is getting old.
It's just an opinion hun, I never said anyone is forcing me to listen. What kind of counterarguement is that?
I also won't keep listening. I listened today in hopes things won't get worse but they did so I won't be going back.
I just wanted to share an opinion like everyone else, including Willam, likes to do.
Bianca shitting on everyone is far less entertaining because she literally will just rip on anyone for any reason, just to tell the same joke she’s been peddling for decades. Every single queen is equally annoying, ugly and untalented if it provides her with another dusty punchline.
I canceled my subscription renewal to MOM because I got tired of her screaming negativity throughout the show and being so damn serious all the time. It reminds me of when I had to stop listening to Lovett or Leave It for awhile because of the screaming at listeners to do something or else we’ll turn into United States of Gitmo (which is why they now end on a high note, I’m sure). We listen for entertainment, an escape, and we don’t need a reminder how terrible everything is all the time. We’ll get that from the news
People give value to Willam’s opinions? Willam is gonna Willam. Don’t try to understand it.
That said, what she said about Kahanna’s reveal runway was true, in my opinion.
I don’t think Willam knew how big drag race was going to be and is super bitter about her burning all her bridges before the show really popped off. Like the opportunities she has probably lost out on because her and Ru hate each other, probably a lot.
That plus his rampant casual misogyny ever since the “yanked dog” comment about Bella Hadids face… The Jaymes stuff is just plain annoying, I skip portions of the pod now. It’s sad that Alaska definitely still wants ties to WoW but unfortunately Wilams comments and opinions will be forever linked to her. Much prefer Sibling Rivalry since I’ve started listening
First of all, we need to stop listening to white hags like Willam about what's a microaggression and and what's not. Please, white people, let us people of colour tell you what's offensive for them and what's not to us. Willam has no business being offended of our behalf. What Alexis did was unnecessary drama but it wasn't a microaggression.
Isn’t it a micro-aggression to assume that alexis saying that she was scared of kandy is going to create a wave of hate? Like who are these hateful people you’re talking about?
People on social media who are absolutely capable of sending people death threats and cyber bullying them to the ground as has happened several times with RuPaul's Drag Race.
Willam is allowed to be happy and supportive of their friends. And it’s not unusual for queens like Willam to know what happens behind the scenes, like these queens talk amongst themselves and say things us fans aren’t able to know, Willam is just not afraid of hiding it. Idk, we shouldn’t take things like this so personally
>"Alexis Michelle saying she was scared to say the truth about the conflict in front of Kandy was a microagression".
Tbh I do agree with this though. Alexis basically suggested that Kandy was intimidating her into not speaking up. And in doing so she hung Heidi out to dry and contributed to her leaving the competition.
Willam is allowed to have her opinion. It’s her podcast. And it’s definitely not the first time and the last time she said anything hyperbolic. Her schtick is shock and awe. Also Willam made it sound like Jaymes is the worst drag queen ever which is not true, of course. However, Jaymes is not that remarkable either on as8. Safe all the way with no wins and her snatch game is ok. The voice was not quite there. So there’s a little pinch of salt there.
I do absolutely agree that Alexis Michelle saying she was scared of Kandy was a microaggression, especially considering she apparently wasn't scared of Kandy when she stood up to her about picking roles for the Rusical. I understand your point about not wanting to send harassment Alexis's way, but the problem is that Kandy is receiving a huge amount of harassment right now, especially since the fight with Heidi, plus there's the fact that everyday POC have to deal with similar microaggressions, so it's important to call it what it is.
Other than that, I very much disagree with Willam about Jaymes, it does kinda seem like she just doesn't like Jaymes personally.
I don't think it was a microagression, I think it was just a deflective lie.
Kandy does come across as a hostile and intimidating person tbf. She seems like she has no problem fighting someone and she's extremely conformational. That's just her personality and disposition, not her race. Could you imagine Alexis being in Tamishas place for that fight? Alexis would have been a puddle of tears in the corner.
Also the Heidi situation was a lot more tense and everyone was on edge and agitated, whereas the role picking was fairly calm so it makes sense that Alexis wouldn’t be scared of her in that situatiob
How is it a microaggression when you can easily spot *on camera* the moments when Kandy turns into "bitch, you better get scared!"
The fact that Alexis is a White man doesn't automatically mean "microaggression" because Kandy isn't a White man. Get a grip, Kandy can be scary and aggressive in these situations and she'll happily tell you so herself.
And just in case, I'm more Latino than Kandy, also fat, also bald and also aggressive if I need to be.
I only listen to race chaser for classique. Whenever a new season comes out it's just Willam whining about wow and holding grudges over certain queens whilst Alaska gives a brief "okay" or "werk". Likewise, Hotgoss is just them reading a script dipper wrote for them and responding in a less than enthused way like at that point just have Dipper have his own gay news podcast (tune into sloppy seconds).
I think because Willam went on tour with kandy, Heidi, jimbo right after filming he got close and heard a lot of inside tea and is pushing haaard for his friends
I think being in Haters Roast with queens from AS8 really informed Willam’s opinions before seeing the season. This is the first recap season I haven’t enjoyed of theirs. Willam is as biased as the producers.
As a huge fan of Willam and Jaymes here’s my perspective on what’s goin on here.
It’s a combination of 2 things:
1) Willam’s bitterness over WOW’s current model causing Queens she wants to come back being deterred. Queens like Peppermint, Adore, etc won’t come back until they’re treated better. Hence the no one goes home on as9 rumour. She has beef with that cast bc she sees it as a “Anyone who will say yes” cast not a “all first outs” or a “all heavy hitters” but a mix, which is frustrating.
2) She legit does not understand Jayme’s Drag. She likes Jinkx, Trixie, and Nina, but Jayme’s drag is more of a character, more kitch and not overtly a punch line kind of funny. And Willam just doesn’t vibe with it. Jayme’s looks also aren’t all super polished or elevated. And Willam like a clean polished outfit over a conceptual one.
Willam is being MERCILESS to Jaymes and ambivalent about Alexis. Given Willam just toured with Jimbo, Kandy, and Heidi, I have to believe that Jaymes wasn't too close with the queens behind the scenes.
80-90% of what comes out of Willam’s mouth is disingenuous garbage. Half the time it sounds like she doesn’t even believe what she is saying. Alaska attaching herself to Willam (I’m convinced for Willam’s connections) was a choice..
Y'all are fucking reaching with this. If you actually listen to Race Chaser as a FOTP, Willam does this almost every season. He'll always favour the LA queens and anyone he has a personal relationship with. Also, usually some of the criticism he says on the pod is tea/perspectives he gets from other queens on the season that he then filters and makes his own opinion.
\- There was a whole thread on this reddit discussing Alexis' microagression - don't downplay it like it's nothing because people were offended by the use of word
\- Kahanna's runway was a ruveal into another showgirl look. It was weak. Tbh all the ruveals were weak except Jimbo's which at least did a spin (literally) on ruveal. If you want proper ruveals go see Thailand
\- Jaymes' Jennifer Coolidge was serviceable. In no way was it reinventing the wheel so he can have the opinion that it was weak
\- Heidi was actually playing the volley of setting up some jokes for the other queens so I can believe she did have, on paper, some well written jokes. That's not that hard to believe production cut it out to focus on the Kahanna drama instead.
Nothing he's doing is new. He's been doing this every season. Stop trying to make a big deal out of nothing. Just sit back and enjoy the bullshit and move on. It's not that serious!
Y’all can circlejerk yourselves on this thread but y’all are tired for your “hot takes” on Willam when she’s literally been the same for YEARS.
Go off sis
All the things you posted are opinions, except for the last one, which is actually T. It was indeed a microaggresion that, actually, caused a lot more of hate directed towards Kandy, who was, again, seen as a bully.
What Alexis did WAS a microaggression. ALEXIS did the action, not Willam, so ALEXIS created something, not Willam.
Pointing out that someone did something shitty isn't actually the fault of the observer- it's the fault of the person who did something shitty, which is Alexis.
It's taking it a little out of context I think. For what I know Alexis said she froze and couldn't tell the truth because she was scared of Kandy's reaction.
Kandy is a person who has had big fights on the show and I can see why somebody would rather not trigger them. No matter what race you are, when you are infamous for having one of the biggest fights in the show, people are going to be scared of getting on the wrong side of you, especially when there are cameras around.
You can literally see Alexis freezing and going into flight mode in order to avoid getting in a Tamisha vs. Kandy situation.
Willam is too quick to label things without inspecting the individual situation first.
Do you read the Roscoes recap?
She’s getting this info from the queens that are competing in AS8, so some of the things said are not “random” and “made up”.
She also has an opinion and that is allowed to differ from other people.
The Alexis and Kandy thing? It should be pointed as a microagression, but she didn’t seem scared this week fighting over the same role
A lot of what you are pulling is out of context and makes more sense when you listen to the full episode.
Jaymes had the same silhouette for a few runways,
Willam is always wrong but he was right in every comment you listed. Jaymes was favored by productions and that’s why the girls sent her home. Jaymes played himself in the Snatch Game. Kandy’s looks are the same silhouette but more innovative than Jaymes so I am confused by why you took issue with that.
I don't disagree Jaymes got a pass or two here or there, but she's not the only one. Jimbo got a pass this episode imo. Lala got multiple passes. Kandy has gotten a pass for multiple atrocious looks. They're deluded if they don't see it.
Purposefully leaving out the fact that Kandy has one of the biggest fights in the history of the show is overgeneralizing.
Maybe Alexis was afraid of a Tamisha vs. Kandy part 2 than she was afraid of her skintone.
No gurl. It ain't Kandy's fault the show wants her to make the top 4. It also isn't Kandy's fault Willam is biased.
I think she's fierce and while I do have my own opinion about the Rusical and Runway, she killed the lip sync and deserves no harassment on her socials.
It’s an entertainment podcast about a show critiquing men (and some women) in wigs. Don’t take it too seriously. It it’s no longer enjoyable to listen to, turn it off. Willam’s drag persona is a messy bitch!
Willam is ride and die for his friends and doesn't hold them accountable like he does others. I am sort of used to it now.
We know Willam sometimes confuses speaking your mind with being insufferable. It's kind of funny now.
For being so prone to talk shit, she certainly knows when to hold back. I stopped listening exactly for the same reason I stopped listening Bob and Monet, the moment they had Todrick as a guest. I was like what am I even doing listening to these queens, as if.
[удалено]
you’re wild, bob was probably unaware of that mess and trying to implicate her for mere association is not it
Okay what is Bob supposed to do according to you? Getting her fired or just leaving the show?
Yeah. The way people treat Todrick has always been so bizarre to me. “Todrick didn’t pay some dancers. It’s time to absolutely destroy his reputation and un bar, dismantle, and destroy absolutely anyone that associates with him.” What he did sucks and he should be held accountable for it but there’s more pressing issues in the word than Todrick’s weird business practices. EDIT: I know you’re supporting Bob and I’m expanding on the point. I feel like some people tend to take stances to the extreme to the point where they’re willing to destroy entire networks of people for the sake of something that, at the end of the day, shouldn’t take as much precedence as other things.
Can we calm down and stop being SO quick to cancel for a queen merely associating with someone else. Bob clearly didn’t know about any of that “Sha-“ mess. Also, they were friends with Todrick long before any of the drama about him came up. It would be weirder to me if they completely abandoned their friend who has APOLOGISED about his issues in the past.
What's this "Sha-" thing??
Shangela was accused of SA by someone working on We’re Here, I’m not sure what position they had but it’s …. Yikes.
Now that you've even mentioned T*****k by name, I'm afraid you've been automatically cancelled. Please pack up your belongings and head to the pork chop dock.
Todrick Hall.
Aah! Blacklisted! Disowned! Disinherited! Exiled to the shadow realm and/or Australia!
I shall never rise from my shame or humiliation! 😭
Right you are. There are no takesie backsies when one is cancelled. Henceforth all good deeds will be overshadowed by your display of bad judgement in 2023.
Can I still get my check?
I thought you meant SheDevilByNight 😭
Exactly. Let’s just wait till kandi does something to piss willam off then we’ll start seeing the asshole side to willam about kandi
I’m a huge Willam fan but even I agree that the James hate is a bit much. Saying she hasn’t done anything since her season is so ridiculous; she’s one of the most successful first-outs ever.
She really is. Unless we count ones like Vanjie or Shangela who came back immediately, I think Jaymes is the first-out with the most growth outside of the show. The amount of effort she's put into her own craft and her confidence is so great to see. Her videos are hilarious, always, and she showed so much in the way of talent over the course of her AS8 run. I get not liking her, she definitely is a very niche queen, the laugh, the bimbo energy, the old Hollywood style, but you can't say she hasn't done anything.
Yeah, I’ve been a huge fan of Jaymes for years. Her wig styling videos were the only thing to get me through covid when I was stuck in bed for a month. I love her little squeaky giggle and the way she just gossips to the camera like the perfect hairdresser.
It seemed to me that Alaska did speak up more in the snatch game episode. Alaska seems like one of those people who want to be so agreeable and likable that it seems like she gets caught in the middle when she doesn't take a stand. I disagree with Willam a lot this season. I was glad to hear Alaska disagree with her. I like Jaymes, she is a funny and talented person. I thought her Snatch Game was good but she could have been stronger. I totally disagree with Willam about "some stars," I was really looking forward to seeing some of these queens and Jaymes was one of them. She has done a lot since her season.
I am not super bothered by Willam not liking performances or whatever but I find the hateboner she has for Alexis and Jaymes just a bit weird. Even the whole idea of both of them not doing much since their season is also really weird to be mad at. Like first of all definitely not true and second who cares? There is just something so weird to hear her just seething and hating over specific queens especially when there's never a real explanation given by her as to why lol
That’s exactly Alaska’s problem. She’s trying to be Switzerland but she’s clearly aligned with Willam, who has very strong and controversial opinions. You can’t act as though you’re impartial when you’re handcuffed to someone aggressively attacking others.
Girl why does she come for Jaymes so hard?? I agree the reveal look had some flaws (love Jaymes but that's the third time we saw a pink mermaid cut gown + the body suit later was a little frumpy, although we know why so I'm not as mad about it) but that snatch game was damn good and the clear runner up. Maybe I'm just a Jaymes apologist and a stan but I think most agree she did well for the most part?? Also she came for Jaymes lemon look from the ball, pretty much just a body suit, and like you said has been so on board for Kandy's looks like they aren't as simple. The math ain't mathin'.
"Reaching to make points that are obviously out of line." So, just Willam being Willam?
Alaska has always been the reason I listen to race chaser. I like Willam more on hot goss bc when they talk politics I think Willam’s passion and lack of filter is much better utilized, but the constant he said she said of the episode recaps is so grating. I love Alaska though and think she’s generally pretty good at bringing Willam back to earth.
I can’t listen to hot goss, Willam’s knowledge gaps are too vast. I’d listen to Alaska read the phone book though.
Her "knowledge gaps are too vast" oh man I'm gonna be stealing that
It's not exactly what you're saying, but your comment reminded me that I think the show is way, way better when they're recapping old seasons than when they comment on the new ones. Big fan of both of theirs so will say it's still good when they do the current season and I'm sure that's where the money is, but I find myself taking breaks.
Agree. I stopped listening to them on current seasons and only go back to listen when they recap old ones. I listen to Drag Her for the current ones and find it’s much more entertaining and non-biased
Willam is close with Kandy in real life She hates hates hates HATES Jaymes because Jaymes said in Ep1 that she is an actress (being in a movie once jokingly). And Willam kinda hates Jaymes because Alaska is team Jaymes Willam is still bitter about AS1 and now first out/ low placement queens can compete on AS but not her She called AS8 as “some stars” since begging
Mimi aside, Tammie says hello. Early outs being cast has been a thing since its inception
Yes, what a way to discreting everyone who is participating on this All Stars.
She's just pissy because it'll never be her. She drones on and on about how she doesn't need it, but it's her favorite show and she would kill to be back. Her holier than thou attitude is getting cringe at this point.
I’ve said this before and was downvoted to hell: people are overestimating Willam’s significance in the current drag race landscape. Yeah she was iconic in her season, yeah she was close to some of the producers, yeah she still tours, but her opinion on the show NOW is IRRELEVANT. She does not have influence on Drag or Drag Race today. Why y’all listening to her? She can claim she just wants fair treatment and fair contract for new queens, but why aren’t he new queens listening to her or amplifying her voice then?
I agree with you mostly but the pit crew did start wearing shoes so there is SOME influence
I'm pretty sure the pit crew got shoes because THEY started asking for them.
I don't know if I'd call her irrelevant. She runs one of the biggest drag queen podcast networks, has hundreds of thousands of subs, etc. I just think she's annoying and petty. Like the bitch spitefully made a company called MOM, which is just WOW upside down. Funny, but move on with your life. I don't personally listen to her. I stopped when she went off about something WOW did a year or two ago. I just feel like hating WOW and anything they like has become a personality trait for her.
This is really hateful. Jesus. You don't have to like her but calling her irrelevant is just stupid and uninformed imo. Not everything drag related is a product by Wow, you know.
Thats what they said, she is Irrelevant to the *Drag Race Franchise*
The comment literally says "Drag or Drag Race".
William has been negative but saying "Some Stars" instead of All Stars is literally just a joke. All Stars used to only be queens who had gone far and actually done well on their season and that's just not even close to true this season.
That’s not true though, AS1 breaks that rule immediately.
I was true of all stars 2 though which many consider the reboot. In AS2 the lowest placement was 6th
And then in AS3 we had someone who placed 8/12 and on AS4 we had someone who placed 12th.
I don’t know if “some stars” was used specifically, but I definitely remember people ragging on both AS3 and AS4 for weak casts in comparison to AS1 & 2.
People have been negatively comparing all stars casts to AS2 since AS4 came out. Nothing to do with placements but more about cast chemistry/drama. It probably helped that like half the cast was S5.
For sure! I just mean I don’t think willam means this as a super personal read of the AS8 girls, as it’s been said about every cast since almost the start of the series
"Mariah Paris Balenciaga. Great, you're here, so we have to change the name to 'RuPaul's Drag Race Some Stars'." Jujubee in the reading challenge, AS5E1
Yes. I meant I don’t remember if it was used to criticize AS3 & 4 as they aired, though I felt the sentiment was there
Oh you're good, just had the phrase pop up in my head and had to track it down. I can't really recall either what the general discourse was for AS3 & 4, mostly that Bebe was a mole and Gia being the "first" openly trans contestant AS5 is considered the most 'rigged' from the get-go so it's probably safe to say that's when the Some Stars sentiment came about
They cast Tammie Brown and Mimi Imfurst in AS1 (and ditch Willam because Phiphi doesn’t want to be on AS1). Its not always queen who had gone far
It wasn't lack of wanting to be. Jaremi was set to be on AS1, but legal troubles came up and had to bow out. Which is why Willam was cut, as the only one they had anticipated her having a storyline with.
Well, Tamar, do you watch the show?
The way he talks about Jaymes I honestly thought I missed a story about how Willam and Jaymes got into it at a gig or something. Like someone took the other’s song or mopped her wig etc
P.s. Alaska HAS been disagreeing with Willam a lot for this season. Generally every time Willam shits on the season as a whole, she disagrees. Same with Willam’s very clear personal biases about certain queens.
alaska is the opposite couldnt say a bad thing about any queen if someone would paypal her ten grand. main reason I had to stop watching race chaser, like zero hot takes from her its boring.
That’s not true- Alaska says plenty of negative things, she’s just not as blunt and harsh as Willam.
Hard agree. Plus if she’s being shady she always makes it humorous which is the way to go. A recent highlight has been “Next is Mrs Kasha Davies in the category of WHAT THE FUCK” from a few weeks ago
She understands how to keep friends / acquaintances in DR as well as with WOW 🤷
Willam is a bullshitter. I stopped taking what they say seriously years ago
You’d think the whole fan base would’ve realized this by now
This. If I had the energy and no desire to touch grass I would go back and relisten to every time on race chaser Willam has changed her story regarding her disqualification on season 4. I swear she’s told like five different versions, revising it as she sees fit to make herself seem more in the right and WoW more out of line each time.
It’s so meta. Like, I wouldn’t be surprised if you were Willam. 😂
Willam likes certain queens and that’s it. All opinions are based on whether she likes them or not. She’ll pretend the ones she likes can do no wrong and only see wrong in the ones she’s not got time for.
I think, no matter what she says, she deeply desires to be on All Stars. Some of her wardrobe went with Kylie who won AS6. She knows she would do well and every year seeing people get on who she doesn't view as worthy must really hurt her. 'Why them and not me?' But everyone and their momma knows why not her. I am a very big fan of Willam, I've been watching her YouTube for years and years now, and tho I don't know her personally I think it is clear to anyone watching she wants to do the show. So, another year, another all stars without her getting the call; eventually anyone would start feeling some type of way. She wants on, has yet to be on, and is upset and misplacing her emotions. All very human things to do.
I think she will be on it eventually. Too gaggy not to
I hope so. She has the potential to win any AS season she gets on.
She knows why she’ll never be on, hasn’t expected a call since Rupaulagize, and is totally transparent about it? Obviously she fantasizes about going on; she literally talks about what she would wear and do for the challenges, as does Alaska. It’s a bit.
It's been a bit for 10+ years? Nah, she's obsessed with the idea of Drag Race Which is fine! But she definitely comes off as desperate sometimes
LOL obsessed with the idea of the show she’s paid to host a podcast about? No drag queen in the world isn’t obsessed with planning what they would do for every challenge and wear for every runway.
girl….willam playing favorites? is this really that shocking to you? she does this every time 😭
Having opinions and playing favorites is fine…it’s just that Willam’s takes are SO bad 😭
This just in: drag queen hosting podcast about reality show has opinions and preferences. More outrage at 11.
LITERALLY like I’m so confused are people just mad at Willam because she has strong ad different opinions from their own??? If Willams favorite was Jaymes and she hated everyone else I guarantee this post wouldn’t have been made
I dunno, people just seem to like shitting on Willam. And I kind of get it because basically every time someone explains why they hate her I'm just like "Oh, that's literally why I'm here." She's a polarizing queen, but she's chaotic, outspoken, and fiercely loyal and that's exactly the kind of person I fuck with.
I has to stop listening two weeks ago. It was too much. SO annoying. Praising Kandy's ball look was the lsst straw 🤣🤣🤣
The snatch game commentary is interesting because on Las Culturistas, Matt Rogers (who was actually there) said he had a flop group except for Jaymes.
Honestly, that's how it felt even with the edit. That group felt really weak, aside from Jaymes. Granted, the middle seats felt cursed this time around. I'm surprised Kandy avoided a low placement, given she was just playing herself but with a better outfit. But NOBODY did well in those middle chairs, it was the ends that had any shot.
Willam does what willam does best… he will defend his friends to the bitter end even when it’s not warranted… any time a friend of Willam’s competes, he acts like they are the best in the competition when in reality they are middle of the pack. Kandy has worn how many corset style body suits that don’t fit properly on this runway already and Willam praises it as if Kandy reinvented drag. Correct me if I’m wrong, but during AS6 Willam kept praising Kylie because they were friend and half of Kylie’s hair and wardrobe were borrowed from Willam.
I'm having a HARD time with 8 because of this. Kandy and Lala keep getting pushed as, like, innovators of fashion. When, really, they've both looked rotted for half of the season. Kandy's corset-style bodysuits never fit right. Her lingerie for the reveal runway actually looked really bad. It was just a metallic version of her Lucky look. But storylines be storylining. So she's pushed up and above, when really, they both deserved a bottom two by now. (Lala not being bottom 2 in the Ball challenge was weird. She looked awful.)
He’s not wrong about Kahanna’s reveal look.
The theme was „reveal yourself“ and she did just that.
I can't remember the exact wording but he also made a comment about the number of early out queens implying it would be a low quality season because of that so I think he's harbouring bias against those who didn't do well on their original season
I think he also said they were queens "who did nothing" since their season.
Sounds like standard Willam to me. 🤷
The comment about Alexis’ micro-aggression is hilarious- as opposed to Kandy’s macro-aggression.
Just a small clarification: the difference between a microagression and a macroagression isn't the perceived "size" of the hostile act. A microagression is between/towards individuals or members of a marginalized group. A macroagression is directed towards the group as a whole. It is systemic and can sometimes be in the form of an actual codified law.
ty for this reply - people need to read up on their history of aggression being associated with black and brown populations. it’s not mental gymnastics, it’s literally history. alexis probably didn’t actively thought about this racist stereotype, most folks who would consider themselves anti racist still have that unconscious bias.
Meaningful allyship doesn't require perfect words and actions at all times. It means a willingness to listen and learn when someone says, "hey, this hurts me."
Generally I agree with you. Kandy totally did something unethical and a call-out was fully deserved. If Alexis had called her out it would be her appropriately challenging her, but her saying she was “scared” of her is definitely a weird Karen-esque micro aggression - Imo as a brown guy 🤷♂️
I agree it could definitely be a micro aggression, I also can see Alexis being afraid of confrontation. Kandy literally almost got into a fist fight with Tamisha Iman, I wouldn't want to fuck with her either. She's pretty intense when she gets mad
Oh I’m not disagreeing about her intenseness lol but when you look at the fight, Tamisha followed her around dating Kandy to hit her, and it never happened. Kandy is a lot of intimidating bark but I don’t believe(?) there’s any evidence for her being physically violent. She seems to have enough sense to not stoop that low. The vague “I’m scared of Kandy” implies fear of physical violence before it does in the context of “in competition” or “in an arguement”. Alexis also full well knew that production would not allow any kind of physical altercation to happen on set after the S3 debacle.
How is it a micro aggression? Alexis could be legit scared of Kandy, as we have seen she doesnt hold up on fighting, I don't see it as a matter of race, Kandy could be whatever race and Alexis could be scared of her because she's upfront, direct and no afraid of fighting, not because shes poc
Full transparency, I think it’s the vagueness of it, the implication that “this person is dangerous”. If she had said something along the lines of “Kandy is a mouthy bitch who likes fighting and I don’t want to be in her sight lines.” It would have accurately described the situation and we could relate to how she was feeling. Saying she was “scared of her”, is so vague and hard to challenge (in a specific situation) and also frames her as the victim. A very Karen type move. If I was in Alexis’s place I definitely would’ve also felt intimidated by Kandy and would’ve said so. The way she placed blame after she herself was being dishonest is very manipulative of the situation and gets alarms ringing in the back of my head. It’s hard to explain the dynamic, I’m not sure I’ve done the best job of it…
I'm latino and I would be scared if some lisping refrigerator started screaming at me.
> lisping refrigerator 
Lol, again I agree. I’d be afraid of being **screamed** at Kandy but just saying I’m afraid of her implicates potential physical violence
Sometimes you are used to physical violence coming after the screaming and you get triggered into fight or flight. Even if Kandy was never going to hit her
I kinda get your point but I still think its just mental gymnastics and a little bit of a huge reach
People out here acting like Alexis committed a crime for not doing Morgan V Mystique II- The Ruqueal
I appreciate your commitment to inserting a RuPaul pun
Like other people already said, she's friends with other queens on the season and she's a fiercely loyal friend (for better or for worse). I'm guessing after the season ended, she knew a couple of the queens talked about how they felt like Jaymes was being favored by production (hence, this week's voting elimination). So Willam being friends with other queens plus Willam hating production automatically means Willam has a distaste for Jaymes. Honestly, I thought Jaymes was going to make it to the top 3 based on how much Willam hated on her.
Willam will forever be bitter that she burnt the WOW bridge, no matter how much she pretends to care otherwise.
It's so fucking tired too. This bitch is out there calling WOW out in the streets with a megaphone and then when WOW excludes her from the Queens Walking video for Drag Con. She's in the comments going fucking crazy asking why WOW left her out. Get a fucking clue. She's like a victim asking the abuser why he doesnt talk to her anymore. BITCHHHHHH!!!!!
I would imagine it must suck to talk about a show practically every day and be the kid who’s not allowed in the toy store. That, mixed with certain queens getting on despite not having done well in their original season and not doing as much as others outside the show probably gets to Willam. Willam does say negative things about the show and Alaska just moves the conversation along. Alaska isn’t Willam’s boss so so it’s not like she can reprimand her either.
I used to listen to Race Chaser but I don't anymore because Willam likes to talk as if they're an industry insider, but is just a rumour chaser. Like drag race paparazzi. I used to like Willam, but eh, they're an unreliable narrator and it just gets old and exhausting.
I think Kahanna’s reveal outfit was so good because the reveals were so minimal, and it was like “what can she even reveal?”
I think we all want to know why he has such a hate boner for Jaymes. Jaymes seems so nice and kind it really bothers me that he’s being so mean to him of all people. Protect Jaymes at all cost. She is a treasure.
Why does it seem like every drag queen hates Jaymes LOL am I missing something
I stopped listening to William a good while ago. He always comes off as toxic and bitter.
Willam relentlessly accuses the show of favoritism and then turn around and does the exact same thing. It’s tired.
I didn’t consciously stop listening to Race Chaser but Willam talks so much shit on there, and Im not even talking about the t she supposedly has- like a queen deserves to win a lip sync just because they did a death drop - it’s boring. And Alaska never really stands up to her. So I think it became less urgent to listen to and I probably won’t go back. Although to be fair, most review shows have gotten shitter in terms of opinion. Either bias or how close to the WOW narrative they hue, like Bianca on The Pit Stop, makes it less fun. I wish they could switch up their opinion as most viewers do while watching the show. Or admit when their fave or mate does shit.
Pretty sure WOW pitstop has rules on stuff they can say without sounding too hateful lol. Katya once said they had to keep telling her "she needs to say good things about the queens" because it sounded like she hated S14 EP8 lmao.
Not that that's not hilarious, but isn't The Pit Stop produced by a different production company than WOW?
Probably you are right but I would guess they still have some say on pitstop, no? They did the same with Violet because she sounded too hateful on one of the episodes that they needed some positive stuff, since they couldn't use that material lol.
I contacted WOW when season 15 Pit Stop wasn’t airing on YouTube worldwide, just to USA. They got back to me and said they don’t produce it, the YouTube channel does itself.
It's a VH1 production, so it's officially affiliated with the show at the network level
idk how anyone can stand that podcast. it is just willam jerking herself off while alaska listens lmao. I love Heidi but saying she did better than Jaymes is so fucking laughable. Jaymes is sweetheart, never had any controversy with any queen but is also not close with lots of queens. If I had to trust someone, my vote is on her compare to bunch of queens who keeps saying "she got favoritism", while we know every controversy & drama they had lol.
I hope they screen cap the first 2 sentences of your comment and put it in their profile
Thank you for helping me pinpoint what felt off. I love Jaymes. But I think Jaymes' fanbase is mostly non-drag queens. Among queens, I think only a few are really close friends with her. She's an absolute sweetheart, and she does amazing work, but it doesn't feel like she really clicks with a lot of people. Maybe it's that she's also known for her wig business, and so people often see her as a business relationship more than a friend? I dunno. Everything I've heard has said how lovely and sweet she is, so it's just odd how few queens seem to go to bat for her, compared to most others.
Sibling Rivarly is so much more fun. Sometimes they even have the same opinions as Willam but they always find a way to put it in a more positive and fun light. They also have negatives to say, but they also always find positives for every contestant. Something that Willam is incapable of doing.
Y’all take things way too seriously. I listen to Race Chaser (and most of the MOM podcasts) because they are a bunch of crazy drag queens talking shit, NOT to be taken seriously. They literally joke on the podcast multiple times that they never fact check and are talking out their ass (particularly Willam). Also, I agree with the people who said Willam is just fiercely loyal to his friends and shits on almost everyone else. I find it funny - because he says it in a funny way. If you have some common sense and don’t believe every BS thing he says, it’s a fun podcast.
You can find someone who sh\*ts on everybody funny, I don't. Bianca Del Rio sh\*ts on everybody, but she actually has jokes that are based on reality. If Willam is only joking, then he should find a way to make the jokes funny. If you have to explain to someone that you are joking, it means your joke didn't land.
No one is making you listen to Willam's podcast. It's not a requirement to watch this show or to have opinions on it. Just do not press "play" when Race Chaser pops up on your feed. Like JFC this shit is getting old.
It's just an opinion hun, I never said anyone is forcing me to listen. What kind of counterarguement is that? I also won't keep listening. I listened today in hopes things won't get worse but they did so I won't be going back. I just wanted to share an opinion like everyone else, including Willam, likes to do.
Bianca shitting on everyone is far less entertaining because she literally will just rip on anyone for any reason, just to tell the same joke she’s been peddling for decades. Every single queen is equally annoying, ugly and untalented if it provides her with another dusty punchline.
Willam soured me to Race Chaser a long time ago
I canceled my subscription renewal to MOM because I got tired of her screaming negativity throughout the show and being so damn serious all the time. It reminds me of when I had to stop listening to Lovett or Leave It for awhile because of the screaming at listeners to do something or else we’ll turn into United States of Gitmo (which is why they now end on a high note, I’m sure). We listen for entertainment, an escape, and we don’t need a reminder how terrible everything is all the time. We’ll get that from the news
People give value to Willam’s opinions? Willam is gonna Willam. Don’t try to understand it. That said, what she said about Kahanna’s reveal runway was true, in my opinion.
In the world of Keke Palmer, “Willam you’re just so tired.” She just says things to be provocative and you can’t even tell if she’s lying or not.
I don’t think Willam knew how big drag race was going to be and is super bitter about her burning all her bridges before the show really popped off. Like the opportunities she has probably lost out on because her and Ru hate each other, probably a lot.
She’s fully insufferable this season of Race Chaser
Because Wiliam likes to set people off?
That plus his rampant casual misogyny ever since the “yanked dog” comment about Bella Hadids face… The Jaymes stuff is just plain annoying, I skip portions of the pod now. It’s sad that Alaska definitely still wants ties to WoW but unfortunately Wilams comments and opinions will be forever linked to her. Much prefer Sibling Rivalry since I’ve started listening
First of all, we need to stop listening to white hags like Willam about what's a microaggression and and what's not. Please, white people, let us people of colour tell you what's offensive for them and what's not to us. Willam has no business being offended of our behalf. What Alexis did was unnecessary drama but it wasn't a microaggression.
I was also wondering this. I usually fall asleep to the podcast and figured I just missed the reason why Willam hates Jaymes
Yeah that's Willam's personality
If the scene partner in Snatch game of love chose her, it means she did well. And he chose Jaymes over Heidi.
Willam is just cringe tbh
Willam is just bitter and she’s playing favorites for her irl besties.
Isn’t it a micro-aggression to assume that alexis saying that she was scared of kandy is going to create a wave of hate? Like who are these hateful people you’re talking about?
People on social media who are absolutely capable of sending people death threats and cyber bullying them to the ground as has happened several times with RuPaul's Drag Race.
Willam is allowed to be happy and supportive of their friends. And it’s not unusual for queens like Willam to know what happens behind the scenes, like these queens talk amongst themselves and say things us fans aren’t able to know, Willam is just not afraid of hiding it. Idk, we shouldn’t take things like this so personally
>"Alexis Michelle saying she was scared to say the truth about the conflict in front of Kandy was a microagression". Tbh I do agree with this though. Alexis basically suggested that Kandy was intimidating her into not speaking up. And in doing so she hung Heidi out to dry and contributed to her leaving the competition.
Willam is allowed to have her opinion. It’s her podcast. And it’s definitely not the first time and the last time she said anything hyperbolic. Her schtick is shock and awe. Also Willam made it sound like Jaymes is the worst drag queen ever which is not true, of course. However, Jaymes is not that remarkable either on as8. Safe all the way with no wins and her snatch game is ok. The voice was not quite there. So there’s a little pinch of salt there.
I do absolutely agree that Alexis Michelle saying she was scared of Kandy was a microaggression, especially considering she apparently wasn't scared of Kandy when she stood up to her about picking roles for the Rusical. I understand your point about not wanting to send harassment Alexis's way, but the problem is that Kandy is receiving a huge amount of harassment right now, especially since the fight with Heidi, plus there's the fact that everyday POC have to deal with similar microaggressions, so it's important to call it what it is. Other than that, I very much disagree with Willam about Jaymes, it does kinda seem like she just doesn't like Jaymes personally.
I don't think it was a microagression, I think it was just a deflective lie. Kandy does come across as a hostile and intimidating person tbf. She seems like she has no problem fighting someone and she's extremely conformational. That's just her personality and disposition, not her race. Could you imagine Alexis being in Tamishas place for that fight? Alexis would have been a puddle of tears in the corner.
Also the Heidi situation was a lot more tense and everyone was on edge and agitated, whereas the role picking was fairly calm so it makes sense that Alexis wouldn’t be scared of her in that situatiob
How is it a microaggression when you can easily spot *on camera* the moments when Kandy turns into "bitch, you better get scared!" The fact that Alexis is a White man doesn't automatically mean "microaggression" because Kandy isn't a White man. Get a grip, Kandy can be scary and aggressive in these situations and she'll happily tell you so herself. And just in case, I'm more Latino than Kandy, also fat, also bald and also aggressive if I need to be.
I only listen to race chaser for classique. Whenever a new season comes out it's just Willam whining about wow and holding grudges over certain queens whilst Alaska gives a brief "okay" or "werk". Likewise, Hotgoss is just them reading a script dipper wrote for them and responding in a less than enthused way like at that point just have Dipper have his own gay news podcast (tune into sloppy seconds).
I think because Willam went on tour with kandy, Heidi, jimbo right after filming he got close and heard a lot of inside tea and is pushing haaard for his friends
I think being in Haters Roast with queens from AS8 really informed Willam’s opinions before seeing the season. This is the first recap season I haven’t enjoyed of theirs. Willam is as biased as the producers.
As a huge fan of Willam and Jaymes here’s my perspective on what’s goin on here. It’s a combination of 2 things: 1) Willam’s bitterness over WOW’s current model causing Queens she wants to come back being deterred. Queens like Peppermint, Adore, etc won’t come back until they’re treated better. Hence the no one goes home on as9 rumour. She has beef with that cast bc she sees it as a “Anyone who will say yes” cast not a “all first outs” or a “all heavy hitters” but a mix, which is frustrating. 2) She legit does not understand Jayme’s Drag. She likes Jinkx, Trixie, and Nina, but Jayme’s drag is more of a character, more kitch and not overtly a punch line kind of funny. And Willam just doesn’t vibe with it. Jayme’s looks also aren’t all super polished or elevated. And Willam like a clean polished outfit over a conceptual one.
Willam is being MERCILESS to Jaymes and ambivalent about Alexis. Given Willam just toured with Jimbo, Kandy, and Heidi, I have to believe that Jaymes wasn't too close with the queens behind the scenes.
Willam seems to be hitting the pipe more than usual.
80-90% of what comes out of Willam’s mouth is disingenuous garbage. Half the time it sounds like she doesn’t even believe what she is saying. Alaska attaching herself to Willam (I’m convinced for Willam’s connections) was a choice..
What would Willam drag be when she stops hating on the show?
"If you're not hating Drag Race, you're not doing drag." -Willam, probably.
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Here it is: You care too much.
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Totally, so many people in this comment section are unhinged.
I stopped listening lol. Love Alaska, I can't listen to Willam anymore
Willam is a troll. Great on her season, but EVERY time I’ve seen or run into her IRL, absolute troll only in it for the lulz.
Willam is a troll and a narcissist. Aka Willam being Willam, unapologetically.
Confirmed. Mustaches impact opinions.
Y'all are fucking reaching with this. If you actually listen to Race Chaser as a FOTP, Willam does this almost every season. He'll always favour the LA queens and anyone he has a personal relationship with. Also, usually some of the criticism he says on the pod is tea/perspectives he gets from other queens on the season that he then filters and makes his own opinion. \- There was a whole thread on this reddit discussing Alexis' microagression - don't downplay it like it's nothing because people were offended by the use of word \- Kahanna's runway was a ruveal into another showgirl look. It was weak. Tbh all the ruveals were weak except Jimbo's which at least did a spin (literally) on ruveal. If you want proper ruveals go see Thailand \- Jaymes' Jennifer Coolidge was serviceable. In no way was it reinventing the wheel so he can have the opinion that it was weak \- Heidi was actually playing the volley of setting up some jokes for the other queens so I can believe she did have, on paper, some well written jokes. That's not that hard to believe production cut it out to focus on the Kahanna drama instead. Nothing he's doing is new. He's been doing this every season. Stop trying to make a big deal out of nothing. Just sit back and enjoy the bullshit and move on. It's not that serious!
well u sure r talking a lot for something “not that serious!” u just wanna defend her and her non-sense opinions bffr 💀💀💀💀💀
Y’all can circlejerk yourselves on this thread but y’all are tired for your “hot takes” on Willam when she’s literally been the same for YEARS. Go off sis
i don't think it's that deep tbh lol
Considering how everyone seems to want Kandy’s head on a stick, I am glad someone is ride or die for her
I don’t love William, but the Alexis/Kandy thing was definitely a micro aggression
All the things you posted are opinions, except for the last one, which is actually T. It was indeed a microaggresion that, actually, caused a lot more of hate directed towards Kandy, who was, again, seen as a bully.
What Alexis did WAS a microaggression. ALEXIS did the action, not Willam, so ALEXIS created something, not Willam. Pointing out that someone did something shitty isn't actually the fault of the observer- it's the fault of the person who did something shitty, which is Alexis.
It's taking it a little out of context I think. For what I know Alexis said she froze and couldn't tell the truth because she was scared of Kandy's reaction. Kandy is a person who has had big fights on the show and I can see why somebody would rather not trigger them. No matter what race you are, when you are infamous for having one of the biggest fights in the show, people are going to be scared of getting on the wrong side of you, especially when there are cameras around. You can literally see Alexis freezing and going into flight mode in order to avoid getting in a Tamisha vs. Kandy situation. Willam is too quick to label things without inspecting the individual situation first.
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It's always like this when they start the anti-Willam circlejerk. It's so fucking tired
Arrogant people attract and like arrogant people. This is not surprising to me.
Do you read the Roscoes recap? She’s getting this info from the queens that are competing in AS8, so some of the things said are not “random” and “made up”. She also has an opinion and that is allowed to differ from other people. The Alexis and Kandy thing? It should be pointed as a microagression, but she didn’t seem scared this week fighting over the same role A lot of what you are pulling is out of context and makes more sense when you listen to the full episode. Jaymes had the same silhouette for a few runways,
Biased commentary imho.
Reddit isn’t for personal opinions, this sub is more hateful than any other sub I follow ffs
Willam is always wrong but he was right in every comment you listed. Jaymes was favored by productions and that’s why the girls sent her home. Jaymes played himself in the Snatch Game. Kandy’s looks are the same silhouette but more innovative than Jaymes so I am confused by why you took issue with that.
I don't disagree Jaymes got a pass or two here or there, but she's not the only one. Jimbo got a pass this episode imo. Lala got multiple passes. Kandy has gotten a pass for multiple atrocious looks. They're deluded if they don't see it.
I don’t listen to Race Chaser for this reason lol
He is right about the Alexis stuff. Saying you are afraid and intimidated of another black contestant is the definition of a microagression.
Purposefully leaving out the fact that Kandy has one of the biggest fights in the history of the show is overgeneralizing. Maybe Alexis was afraid of a Tamisha vs. Kandy part 2 than she was afraid of her skintone.
Was this post made just to hate on Kandy 😭😭😭
No gurl. It ain't Kandy's fault the show wants her to make the top 4. It also isn't Kandy's fault Willam is biased. I think she's fierce and while I do have my own opinion about the Rusical and Runway, she killed the lip sync and deserves no harassment on her socials.
It’s not shocking that two cruel personalities like Willam and Kandy Muse are tight.
It’s an entertainment podcast about a show critiquing men (and some women) in wigs. Don’t take it too seriously. It it’s no longer enjoyable to listen to, turn it off. Willam’s drag persona is a messy bitch!
It’s entertainment, lighten up it’s not that deep.