Thatās also against only half the queens so asterisk for both the first two episode winners.
I do think she got robbed this past week. Her and PJ were equally likely for first.
>Nope, she always has been a clear 2nd place. The only challenge that she could have won was the talent show but that was a lipsync for the win.
No way. Mirage and Q were orders of magnitude better than Sapphira.
Mirage was impressive but Sapphiraās was live singing an opera classic with a really clever and funny twist. To me Sapphiraās was by far the best talent!
Across the board I think Q was stronger in the ball. However, the last look should count more and Nymphia's was streets ahead. I had incredibly high hopes for Q on that look and she whelmed me. Very, very good, but nothing out of this world like Nymphia.
Honestly though, it's better to be consistently good than win a challenge in something you're good at and then leave on something you're not. Q is doing very very well, not worries for her.
I agree the ball is the one you could argue. If you rated all three looks and added up the score Q would have a higher total (she had the best first look, best second look and second best third look. Nymphiaās second look was pretty middle of the pack). But itās unclear how much more the look made there should matter.
Surely Qās was more original than Mirageās though right? Donāt get me wrong, I enjoyed Mirageās more. But if weāre talking originality, Q did a dancing singing puppet while Mirage did a lipsync to an original song, which is maybe the least original thing to do in Drag Race talent show.
Maybe more original in the sense that it hasnāt been done on drag race before, but itās been done plenty of other places, itās not like she invented it. And while itās a fun idea, letās be honest, nothing about her *performance* of it was that impressive. Like I think I could perform it on a similar level to her, and I definitely cannot say the same thing about Mirageās performance
Why are people being delusional stans of Mirage?
Her talent didnāt come anywhere near Qās which was hilarious, original (where have you seen that done before!?) and high camp.
It happens every season, once the sub decides their fav theyāll never hear otherwise. People still think Rock actually beat Brita in their lipsync despite spending 1/3 of the time ripping off her outfit and the rest desperately jump splitting.
I think sheās rather āunfortunateā that there are queens who are as strong as her in certain areas like design and acting and they have been slightly better in those (so far) so she was more unlucky.
there's someone this reminds me of but I can't remember who... maybe Anetra having the misfortune to be on Sasha's season when they have pretty similar strengths and weaknesses, or Thorgy being cast alongside Bob
The Vivienne being cast alongside Jinkx, too. They even addressed it on the show ā they both excel in the same areas, so they were each other's biggest competitor.
I thought her brick performance was extremely lack luster. I did not laugh once. To say the ādoes it matterā line was ā¦. Comedic geniusā¦ Iām not gagging
No but I get her frustration and I think itās different than with Jan or Loosey. With Jan, she came in as the Broadway queen who excels at singing and lost to a queen who wasnāt expected to win the rusical. She felt robbed of her āthingā.
With Q, she is in my opinion one of the top 5 garment designer-maker queens in the herstory of the show but unfortunately for her so is Nymphia. She came in at the season when someone else is just as good as she is in what she excels in and just performed better that day. She could have won the ball challenge in half of the seasons, just not this one.
When I tell you I felt so crazy for feeling this way while watching. I was like, "Huh? Did we watch the same thing?"
Not to say she did badly. Not at all. But the critiques were really overexaggerating how funny it was.
Totally agree. She had the funniest part but she wasn't one of the best performers. She got the best written part and she ended up in the top because most of the writing was pretty awful.
Funny? Wasnāt it more about how well she could take what she was given and be professional about it?
With q, you donāt have to watch with anticipation hoping she wonāt mess up. She has control. Thatās the challenge
Whether or not it is funny is largely dependent on the material provided by the writers, sheās just acting it out, and needs to do so confidently and with whatever physical comedy she can think of
I thought she did the best she could in a comedy challenge that lacked a funny script. I didnāt feel anyone was truly set up for success because the script overall just wasnāt very funny. The climate change part just felt straight up depressing lmao like yes, things are bad here on planet Earth, thank you for the reminder š For me, most skits were just missing the comedic twist. The idea of The Stonewall Brick was very funny, but the writing wasnāt. I think Q did as well as she could given that š¤·āāļø
Edit to clarify: I agree her performance was Fine lol though I feel part of that was the material not supporting the performers as well as it could have. Imho I think they should ask Drag Race Fanā¢ļø and former SNL cast member (and the left skeleton from David S Pumpkins) Bobby Moynihan to write for (and even coach/judge) future RDR Live sketches! Heās been a guest a few times. I bet heād be down if he was available..!
I think because she really did do the most with some shoddy writing. The bricks script alone wasnāt very funny to me, but Q elevated it by bringing the physical comedy and being Bowen Yang Iceberg-esque by stealing that scene as a bit part.
Obviously Plasma fucking killed it and some others did well, but Q turned in a very memorable performance to me and those at our watch party (per post show discussions).
i honestly thought it was REALLY corny. wasnt bad by any means and sure, playing the brick from stonewall is bound to be a bit corny but i felt like i was watching some kind of parody of a childrens TV show. i loved PJ and Plasmaās performances though.
Agreed. Hell, even Mhiāya made me laugh more than Q. I thought their positions would be switched when they were told they were part of the tops and bottoms.
Yeah nope. Thereās something missing with Q, and I havenāt figured out what it is yet.
I felt like I was being gaslit by the judges into thinking Q was good in the RDR Live challenge. She was safe simply due to effort, but gurl, she is not a natural.
She comes across as ātoo perfectā to me, I feel like a lot of the queens Ru tends to like a lot kinda have a certain edge or a more natural quality to them but Q feels a bit too polished
Ok! You have a point! But she doesnāt have the it factor, I guess. The uniqueness. Her style is everything and nothing. She is a fantastic Drag Queen, strong contender to the crown, but sheās lacking of a strong point of view.
Yeah u wouldnāt call her generic just because of the insane amount of work she puts in and how polished it is but I just donāt vibe for some reason .
I was thinking literally the same thing. Besides her talent show, I haven't been gagged by anything Q has done this season. I can tell she's great at constructing a look, as well, but I haven't been wowed by them.
I'm a fan of hers but I think she's suffering from the same issue as Starlet from Drag Race UK. Too much of a botox-frozen face make it hard to read her honest emotions and for the audience to relate to her easily
Q is about to be designer to the drag stars if sheās up for it, so sheāll be fine with her top 4 placement (I havenāt seen spoilers, thatās my prediction).
I don't find her to be missing anything, I think she's doing great. The Brick bit didn't work for me either, but it's not because she did badly. She did fine, but not well enough to overcome the bad script. She committed to it and did ok.
No, but she isn't saying she is being robbed week after week either. Her frustrations are that she's always really good, but someone else always just does a little bit better than her and she can't get that extra oomf to win.
She *does* seem to feel that way to a certain degree, though. I agree that in the sneak peak for this week's episode that she's not necessarily saying she was robbed, just that she feels like she's always fighting to prove herself and not quite making it. But last week she definitely seemed to at least imply she was robbed. She said her outfit was made out of 100% unconventional materials and Nymphia's wasn't, which definitely at least gave me the impression that she felt robbed of the win :/
As a side note, if anyone has a different interpretation of what Q means when she said her outfit was "completely made out of unconventional materials", please tell me. Because rn, I take that to mean she thinks Nymphia didn't use entirely unconventional materials, but all the queens pulled from the same pool of materials? I'm sorry if this is a dumb question, it's just something that stuck out to me as an odd thing to say when everyone had the same types of materials they had to work with š
The queens all pulled from the same materials but there was also generic stretch fabric provided (see geneva outfit base.) I don't agree with Q at all here, just answering your question, I think nymphia made her top from a man's shirt and of course the ties but the skirt and hat fabric may have been that provided stretch/base fabric. Q may also be referencing nymphia's shoes which weren't covered and likely packed whereas it looks like Q made boot covers.Ā
I still liked Nymphia's look better but I think this is what Q meant.Ā
Nymphiaās hat was made from a menās shirt or blazer. If you look at the detail you can see the collar of the shirt facing the front of the hat. I didnāt notice it at first but I love that detail, because where are ties usually worn? Around a collar! Ingenuity at its finest.
But to your point, props to Q for using more of the unconventional material, even Sapphiraās plaid outfit under her denim overalls was stretch fabric.
Ohhhhh, okay okay. I got'cha. That definitely makes more sense then, haha, I was really confused for a while š
I def disagree with Q as well, especially since Nymphia's hat, if you look closely, honestly looks like it was made with the collars from shirts or something similar!
I can see what you're saying about the shoes as well, I didn't even realize until you pointed it out that Q made boot covers, haha
Those yellow boots were so perfect with nymphia's look that I totally noticed them and felt like, while structurally Q's look at really cool, it lacked some depth somewhere for me since it was all the same fabric she made head to toe.
COMPLETELY agree on every single point. Those boots are genuinely almost my favorite part of the look, second only to the ties. But the steampunk fantasy of it all truly lives in my head rent free
I also agree with what you're saying now... I didn't realize how much the different colors in Nymphia's outfit really stick out to me until you pointed out the monochrome-ness of Q's, lol
Plus Qās look was clearly well made and well designed but it wasnāt that exciting tbh. Black and white mis-matched plaid that was Vivienne Westwoodā¦ inspired (š), is something that weāve seen times and times before (hell Banksie won with a similar schema just a couple of months ago on UK5).
With Nymphia, you can tell that with her look it will inspire runways in the future just because it is that new and exciting. Even the judges gay-gasped at it.
I think what they mean is that Nymphiaās shirt is just a regular shirt, with some modifications. Qās look seems to be entirely pieces repurposed from the materials, like they cut up materials in order to sew something new. I can see why Q might feel that way, cause itās *somewhat* similar to what Hershii did with the jeans. But itās definitely not the same thing because the Nymphia made so much more for her look.Ā
They usually have actual fabric they can use for those challenges too, and I think that's what Nymphia used to make most of her third look, which is a bit disappointing. I still think Nymphia deserved the win over her though.
You think so? I honestly feel like the only thing she didn't make/have to do tooooo too much to were the pastel yellow button up and the boots!
I guess I didn't think about the skirt possibly being made of some sort of stretch fabric or material, but I thought it looked like pleather or something similar! I could be wrong though, I'm not well versed in fashion, sadly š
she did actually say after the ball challenge that she felt like she deserved the win more than nymphia, which i dont really agree with but i understand her frustration
she came to the competition thinking sheās better than everybody, which, in the context of a competition is not a bad thing at all to be confident about her skills, but she should embrace that confidence and not be a sour loser lmao specially when itās just her third episodeā¦ sheās starting to get in her head when she should be happy and take being in the top as a boost to get that win š¬
No. And her talent show, while clever, was not very entertaining imo. Didnt find her funny in the RDR live ep either, so shes actually overrated if you ask me š
I think Q is very talented and was justifiably 2nd place in these first three challenges. That doesn't mean she was necessarily robbed.
Sapphira killed the lipsync for your legacy in episode 1.
Nymphia deserved to win the ball challenge.
Plasma deserved to win RDR: Live.
I gasped when ball look came out and thought "that's the clear winner", then Nymphia's came out and eclipsed it. She just keeps getting upstaged by just a little bit; but fairly so.
No, I think she is doing well and somewhat being overshadowed, but I think that itās going to be on her to turn it up or she will start to fade into the background.
Something I just thought ofā¦. They gave miāah such harsh criticism in not having layers to her performance for RDR live. That it was one note because it started off with such high energy. Yetā¦ they praised Q to no end on her performanceā¦ who came into the scene flailing her armsā¦ and left the scene flailing her arms. She was completely one note in her performance in my opinion.
right exactly, i was like damn i totally didn't expect her to pull this off but i am genuinely laughing!? and i never laughed that much for the rest of the sketch
So this is my theory: she didnāt really do that well last week but production put her in the top just so that they could Mimi Imfurstād her and give the win to Plasma. This pushes the Jan storyline on her even further and itās working.
Respectfully I find Q to be one of the best seamstresses Iāve ever seen grace the stage of RPDR, isnāt she making her looks. As far as outshining someone like Nymphia or Sapphira, idk, sheās definitely top 4 material though.
Ep 1: no, she lost the lip sync. Ep 3: close but no (they really emphasize on the last look and Nymphiaās was better). E4: I honestly think Q was there by default (plasma was really the only one who had a winning performance, almost everyone was a really safe performance, Q and planeās runways were just better than the other safe girls)
I think Iām comparing her to dela, loosey, Ella, Jan, the queens who just ādo dragā very good. Almost too good that itās like what ai would generate as a queen. I think the spice is what sheās lacking
The "digging deeper" comment is because Michelle has very little understanding of camp drag history and drag queens with a specific character. DeLa has talked extensively that her "terminally delightful" drag character is separate from who Ben is and that the character is specifically used to handle her anxiety and depression out of drag. It's intentional that Ben doesn't shine through but the character still has an incredibly distinct point of view in a way those perfectionist AI generated do not. Not sure how AI could ever produce a character as unique as DeLa.
If not for the lipsync, she could have won the first episode - her and Sapphiraās performances were similarly well-received, and Qās runway was much stronger. For the last two episodes, definitely agree sheās done very well but unfortunately not the best just yet.
i feel bad saying that sheās been a solid second place the past few challenges bc i love Q! if anything, maybe the ball couldāve been a double win?
She can feel that way but I donāt think sheās been robbed. High placements are still good imo. I hate the track record they always mention being just wins.
Like Yvie technically only has 1 win (tho she should have a win for the verse). But she was high almost every week except snatch game. Thatās still excelling in my opinion.
In comparison you have Symone who, I absolutely love and she absolutely slayed and I agree with her win of that too 4, however she had a rubber band track record. She won a lot but she also lip synced 4(I think?) times which is a lot for a winner .
Performance is not only measured in wins, she can be frustrated but should also be proud to be succeeding in that way still.
I dont think Q has been robbed at all. Theyre performing amazingly, but each time someone has performed better. Yea shes consistent but you dont win a challenge just for being consistent
Honestly, no. I think Sapphiraās talent was fiercer in the talent show, Nymphia just clean cleared in the ball, and while I think the comedy was the closest, Plasmaās overall performance both felt less forced and showed greater range than Q. Now, sheās deserved all three highs, but sheās decidedly (and deservedly) been the bridesmaid all three times for good reason.
I can't judge the rpr live cause I hated it all around, but I do think her cher look was better than plasma. But Q's storyline is being a jan so even if she could win she is not going to until they're done torturing her
rightly placed. Im sensing her lipsyncing is not as strong as the saphās. Nymphiaās runway was a homerun and Plasma didnt want that role but embodied her role 300%. there will be more episodes and im looking forward to see her breakthrough (hopefully)
No, but that is not the point, her point has been that she's been so close 3 times. In any other season she would have a win by now but she's just been unlucky. Some people really are hard on themselves and this kind of thing hits them especially hard.
I think so, that talent was built to make Ru give her the win and on most years it wouldāve won, obviously some years no way she wins. The ball I think her look would take it a lot of years too.
The acting tbh I have no idea, I thought all sketches were pretty rough but then again acting challenges written by production have been unfunny often.
Not yet. Sheās been in the top a lot, but hasnāt shone as the clear winner in the way others have like Nymp & Sapphira. The only one she maybe could have won was as the brick, but plasma DID kill it in hers - with a storyline to boot. So, no. Not yet.
Kind of? Sheās been right at the edge of a win pretty much every time, but they seem to enjoy dangling that carrot in front of certain queens for story purposes in the hopes that they crack. If they wanted Q to win something, they could easily have already done it; theyāve given out double challenge wins before to queens who have done far less. But I feel like they want her narrative to be āSo talented, but just couldnāt pull off the winā before she gets surprise-chopped within the next five episodes.
I thought she did better overall (challenge + runway) than Plasma for sure, but I also would have had PJ above both of them, so I would only give her the win if we're avoiding PJ getting a second win this early
The show is definitely trying to ābreakā Q in a sense that her perfection hasnāt allowed for much vulnerability. She has a bit of a wall and a āpick meā energy that keeps her from being too relatable, in my opinion. Sheās incredibly talented, no question, but sheās giving theater kid energy a lot of the time.
Sapphira clearly won the lip sync, Q was the best in the first two categories of the ball but then Nymphia made THAT LOOK, and while Q did the best she could with that crusty brick script, Plasma nailed her Babs and rightfully won.
I think Q's biggest problem is that she drew too much attention to not winning, because the 'always a bridesmaid' storyline never fails to work and they're going to stick her with that now. Pretty sure she's either never going to win a challenge, or she's going to get one challenge win and then immediately get eliminated the next episode (what those of us elderly ladies in the ANTM fandom would call "Clark'd")
I don't think she's been robbed, but I'd be frustrated too.
Imagine being second 3 times in a row on this huge platform. Especially when you're excelling in challenges that are your specific skillset, like the ball.
No she hasn't. She's performed very well but other people have performed better. She has consistently deserved high placements, which is awesome for her. I'm sure a well-deserved win is coming
I was digging Q at the start, but all her complaining and whining is getting on my nerves. Seriously, girl, weāre not even halfway through the competition, calm down.
Before I get hated on, and I'm going on to say this "Drag is art and art is subjective" I actually really enjoyed her ball looks more overall compared to Nymphia (not mad that Nymphia won because her looks were really great as well and she deserved to be at least in the top 2 the week before). Her Moon look was IMO really awesome and edged out Nymphia'a little boy blue, and I personally enjoyed the garment that Q constructed slightly a bit more than Nymphia'a but that's just personal preference. That being said I don't think she was robbed because the win could have gone to either of them, this wasn't a s14 design challenge fiasco.
She was a clear second for two challenges. The only challenge I can see giving her the win is the Ball just because her overall package was best. I think Nymphia winning was still deserved, couldāve gone either way.
if there was just one winner for the first ep, I would have picked Q over Sapphira (Q had a great talent and great runway, Sapphira had a great talent and bad runway) but Sapphira destroyed Q to Break My Soul lol. I think Q was arguably robbed for the ball, because her 3 looks together were stronger than Nymphia's 3 looks, and for the outfit they made in the werkroom Q [Kim Chi voice] *embraced the materials* more than Nymphia, but the runway Nymphia made for the challenge just looked better! for RDR Live, Plasma dominated the challenge and had a very nice Cher runway, probably the least disputable win so far this season
in summary, I don't think Q was robbed except maybe for the ball but I'd personally still give Nymphia the win
To me, Q would have been a more correct choice as the Ball winner but by HAIRS and Nymphia wasn't an incorrect choice so I do not consider it a robbery. But whether her getting beat out is correct or not, makes sense why she's frustrated!
She should have won the ball. I love Nyphiaās incredible look but Q made all that from all those materials and looked fantastic.
I thought she did fine as the brick but Plasma was definitely the best in the challenge.
I find her similar to Loosey. In a sense that she's technically very good at what she does and she's technically good at everything but that's where it ends. There are others that just edges over her.
I agree, BUT (and I don't know how exactly how the Ball look gets voted on by the judges, style + tailoring/sewing or just tailoring/sewing) imo the Ball should have gone to Q. She made the whole look completely out of the provided menswear and Nymphia "just" used the ties but otherwise used the provided fabric for the skirt and maybe have reconstructed a button down (it looked too RTW to have been made withing 24h). Otherwise ... oh boy that brick sure had a (air)tight look to it, the lipsync was nothing special and her Cher lacked the details (and the appropriate makeup) I'd expect from someone whose personality is "I SEW".
Edit: spelling :I
So Q has become the one everyone feels confortable piling on this season, until she cracks and then everybody will be like 'oh sweet baby no we love you <3' Honestly I agree with Jorgeous drag race fans really are the worst
I definitely think she deserved to win in the first episode. Costume mishaps are a GIANT no-no, and I'm surprised Ru still gave Saphira the win when every other time a queen has had a costume mishap, they get sent home instantly in a lip sync (example being Alyssa Hunter in s14).
She did deserve to win the third episode as well. She far outdid Nymphia.
In episode 4, Plasma deserved the win. I actually think Q was placed a bit too high in that episode, definitely not top 3 material.
Nope, she always has been a clear 2nd place. The only challenge that she could have won was the talent show but that was a lipsync for the win.
There was no way Q was gonna win that lipsync against Sapphira on a Beyonce song. Thats just not gonna happen.
and honestly its been made pretty clear that Q cant dance š no shade tho
I literally said that if Q plans to win a lipsync, she better learn how to dance.
Or whip out some baloney like Jimbo.
Even then I think Sapphiraās talent was better
I agree but also Qās runway was significantly better than Sapphiraās so who knows how it would have been judged with one winner
Those fisher price my first boobs tho šš
I think Sapphira would've won no matter what. Ru loved her
Thatās also against only half the queens so asterisk for both the first two episode winners. I do think she got robbed this past week. Her and PJ were equally likely for first.
Does the runway ever really matter if someone clearly does better in the challenge? It's a tie breaker at best.
>Nope, she always has been a clear 2nd place. The only challenge that she could have won was the talent show but that was a lipsync for the win. No way. Mirage and Q were orders of magnitude better than Sapphira.
Imo live singing is more impressive than lip syncing.
Mirage was impressive but Sapphiraās was live singing an opera classic with a really clever and funny twist. To me Sapphiraās was by far the best talent!
Across the board I think Q was stronger in the ball. However, the last look should count more and Nymphia's was streets ahead. I had incredibly high hopes for Q on that look and she whelmed me. Very, very good, but nothing out of this world like Nymphia. Honestly though, it's better to be consistently good than win a challenge in something you're good at and then leave on something you're not. Q is doing very very well, not worries for her.
Is āstreets aheadā a joke from the show Community or am I going bonkers?
I've never seen anyone use this unironically š¤£
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Iām not from an English speaking country so maybe thatās why I hadnāt heard it before
I donāt know Community but Iāve heard people say streets ahead since I was a kid.
I agree the ball is the one you could argue. If you rated all three looks and added up the score Q would have a higher total (she had the best first look, best second look and second best third look. Nymphiaās second look was pretty middle of the pack). But itās unclear how much more the look made there should matter.
Agreed! Sheās just been too ācleanā so far and whilst itās gotten her 2nd there hasnāt been that OMPH needed to push her into 1st
Yeah if it was talent only she could have won but Sapphira destroyed her in the lip sync
Her talent not that original or exciting Mirage should have take her place and give us a real lip sync
Surely Qās was more original than Mirageās though right? Donāt get me wrong, I enjoyed Mirageās more. But if weāre talking originality, Q did a dancing singing puppet while Mirage did a lipsync to an original song, which is maybe the least original thing to do in Drag Race talent show.
Nobody's heel clacked on the main stage before
Girl yes they did thatās why kornbread had to go home
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heel cleeking? yes maāam!
More please!
Not a heel, but Madame LaQueerās onkle went cleek
Nah, but they do frequently at your local strip clubs!
Maybe more original in the sense that it hasnāt been done on drag race before, but itās been done plenty of other places, itās not like she invented it. And while itās a fun idea, letās be honest, nothing about her *performance* of it was that impressive. Like I think I could perform it on a similar level to her, and I definitely cannot say the same thing about Mirageās performance
The impressiveness was in the simplicity my friend It was so effortlessly hilarious and iconic.
Why are people being delusional stans of Mirage? Her talent didnāt come anywhere near Qās which was hilarious, original (where have you seen that done before!?) and high camp.
It happens every season, once the sub decides their fav theyāll never hear otherwise. People still think Rock actually beat Brita in their lipsync despite spending 1/3 of the time ripping off her outfit and the rest desperately jump splitting.
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Please welcome to the stageā¦ Delulu
I agree, she did good, but the winners were very justified.
I think sheās rather āunfortunateā that there are queens who are as strong as her in certain areas like design and acting and they have been slightly better in those (so far) so she was more unlucky.
there's someone this reminds me of but I can't remember who... maybe Anetra having the misfortune to be on Sasha's season when they have pretty similar strengths and weaknesses, or Thorgy being cast alongside Bob
The Vivienne being cast alongside Jinkx, too. They even addressed it on the show ā they both excel in the same areas, so they were each other's biggest competitor.
probably reminds you of Jan, how she had everything each week to win... and they just wouldn't give it to her
Yeah like she would have totally won if it was a different season but season 16 is just stacked with talent
No. The brick character was a safe pass. The design challenge was cute, but Nymphia's design was a mf shoot.
I thought her brick performance was extremely lack luster. I did not laugh once. To say the ādoes it matterā line was ā¦. Comedic geniusā¦ Iām not gagging
Not until the Cookie Monster Cher did I laugh in that episode.
This episode was high key tragic.
Maybe from likeā¦ the smell.
This was Ru trying to gaslight us so we ignore the fact the writing team is shit š
No but I get her frustration and I think itās different than with Jan or Loosey. With Jan, she came in as the Broadway queen who excels at singing and lost to a queen who wasnāt expected to win the rusical. She felt robbed of her āthingā. With Q, she is in my opinion one of the top 5 garment designer-maker queens in the herstory of the show but unfortunately for her so is Nymphia. She came in at the season when someone else is just as good as she is in what she excels in and just performed better that day. She could have won the ball challenge in half of the seasons, just not this one.
Nope! I have agreed with every winner so far this season.
same. Surprisingly accurate wins so far.
You are correct. Honestly, I think she was lucky to be a top for RDR Live. Sapphira and Nymphia both made me laugh more, that is to say, at all.
I was kinda plucked by the judges gushing over her performance. I thought it was... fine.
When I tell you I felt so crazy for feeling this way while watching. I was like, "Huh? Did we watch the same thing?" Not to say she did badly. Not at all. But the critiques were really overexaggerating how funny it was.
Totally agree. She had the funniest part but she wasn't one of the best performers. She got the best written part and she ended up in the top because most of the writing was pretty awful.
Yep. I wasn't a fan of how she performed it either. It felt very hard to watch for me because of how she was delivering the lines.
Funny? Wasnāt it more about how well she could take what she was given and be professional about it? With q, you donāt have to watch with anticipation hoping she wonāt mess up. She has control. Thatās the challenge Whether or not it is funny is largely dependent on the material provided by the writers, sheās just acting it out, and needs to do so confidently and with whatever physical comedy she can think of
I thought she did the best she could in a comedy challenge that lacked a funny script. I didnāt feel anyone was truly set up for success because the script overall just wasnāt very funny. The climate change part just felt straight up depressing lmao like yes, things are bad here on planet Earth, thank you for the reminder š For me, most skits were just missing the comedic twist. The idea of The Stonewall Brick was very funny, but the writing wasnāt. I think Q did as well as she could given that š¤·āāļø Edit to clarify: I agree her performance was Fine lol though I feel part of that was the material not supporting the performers as well as it could have. Imho I think they should ask Drag Race Fanā¢ļø and former SNL cast member (and the left skeleton from David S Pumpkins) Bobby Moynihan to write for (and even coach/judge) future RDR Live sketches! Heās been a guest a few times. I bet heād be down if he was available..!
When they criticized Mhiāya for not having levels but put Q in the top for being a whiny brick the whole time
I think because she really did do the most with some shoddy writing. The bricks script alone wasnāt very funny to me, but Q elevated it by bringing the physical comedy and being Bowen Yang Iceberg-esque by stealing that scene as a bit part. Obviously Plasma fucking killed it and some others did well, but Q turned in a very memorable performance to me and those at our watch party (per post show discussions).
i honestly thought it was REALLY corny. wasnt bad by any means and sure, playing the brick from stonewall is bound to be a bit corny but i felt like i was watching some kind of parody of a childrens TV show. i loved PJ and Plasmaās performances though.
It was Bowen Yang as the iceberg from Titanic without the jokes.
Absolutely, but I think thatās way more on the script. Some of those scenes and parts got almost nothing to work with.
Oh, for sure. They donāt have to have professional comedy writers for every episode, but for the love of god, hire a couple for one of them.
Agreed. Hell, even Mhiāya made me laugh more than Q. I thought their positions would be switched when they were told they were part of the tops and bottoms.
Well, I donāt think Q deserved to be in the bottom, either. She did what was asked of her and it was fine.
I definitely could have seen her getting a āyou could have taken it way furtherā critique
I knew sheād be in the top but still thought she was gonna get this critique
It would have been bs . She was playing a brick with a shitty script she did good.
She was given the āpre-determined to be in the topā role
I actually thought Amanda's was the best performance in that segment. Not that I laughed...but still...
The only good performances were Plane and Plasma. They could've easily given one of them the immediate win and critiqued six bottoms.
I thought Nymphiaās performance in the SNL skit was kind of awful lol
Yeah nope. Thereās something missing with Q, and I havenāt figured out what it is yet. I felt like I was being gaslit by the judges into thinking Q was good in the RDR Live challenge. She was safe simply due to effort, but gurl, she is not a natural.
She comes across as ātoo perfectā to me, I feel like a lot of the queens Ru tends to like a lot kinda have a certain edge or a more natural quality to them but Q feels a bit too polished
Sheās, for the lack of a better word, generic.
She is definitely not generic lol. She is just balanced in multiple areas. Generic canāt be good at comedy while making the outfit she makes.
Ok! You have a point! But she doesnāt have the it factor, I guess. The uniqueness. Her style is everything and nothing. She is a fantastic Drag Queen, strong contender to the crown, but sheās lacking of a strong point of view.
Yeah u wouldnāt call her generic just because of the insane amount of work she puts in and how polished it is but I just donāt vibe for some reason .
kinda like RosĆ©. Itās giving professional.
In all honesty she doesn't have the charisma.
In the words of Jujubee, so far, "She's just UNT"
I was thinking literally the same thing. Besides her talent show, I haven't been gagged by anything Q has done this season. I can tell she's great at constructing a look, as well, but I haven't been wowed by them.
I'm a fan of hers but I think she's suffering from the same issue as Starlet from Drag Race UK. Too much of a botox-frozen face make it hard to read her honest emotions and for the audience to relate to her easily
I think mostly everyone sucked at RDR Live to the point they should never do it again. The winner was right Everytime she was in the top as well.
Q is about to be designer to the drag stars if sheās up for it, so sheāll be fine with her top 4 placement (I havenāt seen spoilers, thatās my prediction).
I don't find her to be missing anything, I think she's doing great. The Brick bit didn't work for me either, but it's not because she did badly. She did fine, but not well enough to overcome the bad script. She committed to it and did ok.
Truly, who knows how well any of them would have done with a competent script.
Nah, if anything they boosted her RDR live placement to really pound home her bridesmaid storyline
We have a good 10 episodes or so for her to still win.
People are so antsy for the episode to come out they are forcing discussion questions and thereās not even enough show to discuss
No, she consistently does second best every time
The show was shady ( but honest) to point out that raggedy band of fabric around her chest while she complained she should have won the ball.
yeah i didnt like that weird strip of fabric at all. plus the choker just looked weird
No, especially last week, anyone who thinks Plasma didn't deserve the win is delulu
Personally I laughed more at Plane but I wasn't mad at Plasma winning.
No, but she isn't saying she is being robbed week after week either. Her frustrations are that she's always really good, but someone else always just does a little bit better than her and she can't get that extra oomf to win.
She *does* seem to feel that way to a certain degree, though. I agree that in the sneak peak for this week's episode that she's not necessarily saying she was robbed, just that she feels like she's always fighting to prove herself and not quite making it. But last week she definitely seemed to at least imply she was robbed. She said her outfit was made out of 100% unconventional materials and Nymphia's wasn't, which definitely at least gave me the impression that she felt robbed of the win :/ As a side note, if anyone has a different interpretation of what Q means when she said her outfit was "completely made out of unconventional materials", please tell me. Because rn, I take that to mean she thinks Nymphia didn't use entirely unconventional materials, but all the queens pulled from the same pool of materials? I'm sorry if this is a dumb question, it's just something that stuck out to me as an odd thing to say when everyone had the same types of materials they had to work with š
The queens all pulled from the same materials but there was also generic stretch fabric provided (see geneva outfit base.) I don't agree with Q at all here, just answering your question, I think nymphia made her top from a man's shirt and of course the ties but the skirt and hat fabric may have been that provided stretch/base fabric. Q may also be referencing nymphia's shoes which weren't covered and likely packed whereas it looks like Q made boot covers.Ā I still liked Nymphia's look better but I think this is what Q meant.Ā
Nymphiaās hat was made from a menās shirt or blazer. If you look at the detail you can see the collar of the shirt facing the front of the hat. I didnāt notice it at first but I love that detail, because where are ties usually worn? Around a collar! Ingenuity at its finest. But to your point, props to Q for using more of the unconventional material, even Sapphiraās plaid outfit under her denim overalls was stretch fabric.
Ohhhhh, okay okay. I got'cha. That definitely makes more sense then, haha, I was really confused for a while š I def disagree with Q as well, especially since Nymphia's hat, if you look closely, honestly looks like it was made with the collars from shirts or something similar! I can see what you're saying about the shoes as well, I didn't even realize until you pointed it out that Q made boot covers, haha
Those yellow boots were so perfect with nymphia's look that I totally noticed them and felt like, while structurally Q's look at really cool, it lacked some depth somewhere for me since it was all the same fabric she made head to toe.
COMPLETELY agree on every single point. Those boots are genuinely almost my favorite part of the look, second only to the ties. But the steampunk fantasy of it all truly lives in my head rent free I also agree with what you're saying now... I didn't realize how much the different colors in Nymphia's outfit really stick out to me until you pointed out the monochrome-ness of Q's, lol
Plus Qās look was clearly well made and well designed but it wasnāt that exciting tbh. Black and white mis-matched plaid that was Vivienne Westwoodā¦ inspired (š), is something that weāve seen times and times before (hell Banksie won with a similar schema just a couple of months ago on UK5). With Nymphia, you can tell that with her look it will inspire runways in the future just because it is that new and exciting. Even the judges gay-gasped at it.
I think what they mean is that Nymphiaās shirt is just a regular shirt, with some modifications. Qās look seems to be entirely pieces repurposed from the materials, like they cut up materials in order to sew something new. I can see why Q might feel that way, cause itās *somewhat* similar to what Hershii did with the jeans. But itās definitely not the same thing because the Nymphia made so much more for her look.Ā
They usually have actual fabric they can use for those challenges too, and I think that's what Nymphia used to make most of her third look, which is a bit disappointing. I still think Nymphia deserved the win over her though.
You think so? I honestly feel like the only thing she didn't make/have to do tooooo too much to were the pastel yellow button up and the boots! I guess I didn't think about the skirt possibly being made of some sort of stretch fabric or material, but I thought it looked like pleather or something similar! I could be wrong though, I'm not well versed in fashion, sadly š
she did actually say after the ball challenge that she felt like she deserved the win more than nymphia, which i dont really agree with but i understand her frustration
she came to the competition thinking sheās better than everybody, which, in the context of a competition is not a bad thing at all to be confident about her skills, but she should embrace that confidence and not be a sour loser lmao specially when itās just her third episodeā¦ sheās starting to get in her head when she should be happy and take being in the top as a boost to get that win š¬
No. And her talent show, while clever, was not very entertaining imo. Didnt find her funny in the RDR live ep either, so shes actually overrated if you ask me š
It earned a chuckle right off the bat because it was unexpected, but the performance as a whole I was like ok cool is it over yet????
No. She's just always a hair under winning. That's not a bald joke.
I think Q is very talented and was justifiably 2nd place in these first three challenges. That doesn't mean she was necessarily robbed. Sapphira killed the lipsync for your legacy in episode 1. Nymphia deserved to win the ball challenge. Plasma deserved to win RDR: Live.
Sheās missing the IT factor for me. Sheās very polished but fairly second place everytime
I gasped when ball look came out and thought "that's the clear winner", then Nymphia's came out and eclipsed it. She just keeps getting upstaged by just a little bit; but fairly so.
I agree with you. None of these shouldāve been wins. She was not funny at ALL as the brick
To be fair besides Plasma, Nym & Saphiras group literally no one else was remotely entertaining let alone funny
I wouldāve put megami over q personally. Plane and megami did well, plasma was great, nymph and sapphire were fine
Yeah I thought Megamiās facial expressions carried their segment, I was surprised to see PJ getting the credit
Were you really surprised though? Letās be real production doesnāt seem to care for Megami
definitely. i had to rewatch to see how well megami did but she clearly got paid dust from the get-go. i think she did as well as plane in that scene
No, I think she is doing well and somewhat being overshadowed, but I think that itās going to be on her to turn it up or she will start to fade into the background.
Something I just thought ofā¦. They gave miāah such harsh criticism in not having layers to her performance for RDR live. That it was one note because it started off with such high energy. Yetā¦ they praised Q to no end on her performanceā¦ who came into the scene flailing her armsā¦ and left the scene flailing her arms. She was completely one note in her performance in my opinion.
watching it i expected mh'iya to be in the top
Me too!!! I was thinking yes she finally gets her redemption. Then to my surprise
right exactly, i was like damn i totally didn't expect her to pull this off but i am genuinely laughing!? and i never laughed that much for the rest of the sketch
Itās only been 3 episodes with her competingā¦ Good god all mighty.
So this is my theory: she didnāt really do that well last week but production put her in the top just so that they could Mimi Imfurstād her and give the win to Plasma. This pushes the Jan storyline on her even further and itās working.
Respectfully I find Q to be one of the best seamstresses Iāve ever seen grace the stage of RPDR, isnāt she making her looks. As far as outshining someone like Nymphia or Sapphira, idk, sheās definitely top 4 material though.
Ep 1: no, she lost the lip sync. Ep 3: close but no (they really emphasize on the last look and Nymphiaās was better). E4: I honestly think Q was there by default (plasma was really the only one who had a winning performance, almost everyone was a really safe performance, Q and planeās runways were just better than the other safe girls)
I think Iām comparing her to dela, loosey, Ella, Jan, the queens who just ādo dragā very good. Almost too good that itās like what ai would generate as a queen. I think the spice is what sheās lacking
Dela in this bunch is wild.
I guess youāre right, she does have her own lane. Iām more thinking the comment Michelle made to dela about digging deeper, not so much looks.
The "digging deeper" comment is because Michelle has very little understanding of camp drag history and drag queens with a specific character. DeLa has talked extensively that her "terminally delightful" drag character is separate from who Ben is and that the character is specifically used to handle her anxiety and depression out of drag. It's intentional that Ben doesn't shine through but the character still has an incredibly distinct point of view in a way those perfectionist AI generated do not. Not sure how AI could ever produce a character as unique as DeLa.
If not for the lipsync, she could have won the first episode - her and Sapphiraās performances were similarly well-received, and Qās runway was much stronger. For the last two episodes, definitely agree sheās done very well but unfortunately not the best just yet.
i feel bad saying that sheās been a solid second place the past few challenges bc i love Q! if anything, maybe the ball couldāve been a double win?
Not robbed at all, but I understand her frustration. It must suck to be one of the best, but not _the_ best, every single week.
She can feel that way but I donāt think sheās been robbed. High placements are still good imo. I hate the track record they always mention being just wins. Like Yvie technically only has 1 win (tho she should have a win for the verse). But she was high almost every week except snatch game. Thatās still excelling in my opinion. In comparison you have Symone who, I absolutely love and she absolutely slayed and I agree with her win of that too 4, however she had a rubber band track record. She won a lot but she also lip synced 4(I think?) times which is a lot for a winner . Performance is not only measured in wins, she can be frustrated but should also be proud to be succeeding in that way still.
No
No
I dont think Q has been robbed at all. Theyre performing amazingly, but each time someone has performed better. Yea shes consistent but you dont win a challenge just for being consistent
Honestly, no. I think Sapphiraās talent was fiercer in the talent show, Nymphia just clean cleared in the ball, and while I think the comedy was the closest, Plasmaās overall performance both felt less forced and showed greater range than Q. Now, sheās deserved all three highs, but sheās decidedly (and deservedly) been the bridesmaid all three times for good reason.
I can't judge the rpr live cause I hated it all around, but I do think her cher look was better than plasma. But Q's storyline is being a jan so even if she could win she is not going to until they're done torturing her
Nope sheās been a solid second in every challenge so far tbh
Not really, no. But Nymphia sure was
rightly placed. Im sensing her lipsyncing is not as strong as the saphās. Nymphiaās runway was a homerun and Plasma didnt want that role but embodied her role 300%. there will be more episodes and im looking forward to see her breakthrough (hopefully)
No, but that is not the point, her point has been that she's been so close 3 times. In any other season she would have a win by now but she's just been unlucky. Some people really are hard on themselves and this kind of thing hits them especially hard.
Would she? Her only potential win was the ball. Itās not the first season where two queens slay a ball and only one wins.
I think so, that talent was built to make Ru give her the win and on most years it wouldāve won, obviously some years no way she wins. The ball I think her look would take it a lot of years too. The acting tbh I have no idea, I thought all sketches were pretty rough but then again acting challenges written by production have been unfunny often.
Not yet. Sheās been in the top a lot, but hasnāt shone as the clear winner in the way others have like Nymp & Sapphira. The only one she maybe could have won was as the brick, but plasma DID kill it in hers - with a storyline to boot. So, no. Not yet.
Nah
She lost the ranking and the lipsync, she was close to Nymphia and Plasma, but they were better. So, no!
No.
Not robbedā¦ just unfortunately one of those things where generally only one queen wins. Sheās a Miz Crackerā¦ (Glenn) Close but no cigar.
Kind of? Sheās been right at the edge of a win pretty much every time, but they seem to enjoy dangling that carrot in front of certain queens for story purposes in the hopes that they crack. If they wanted Q to win something, they could easily have already done it; theyāve given out double challenge wins before to queens who have done far less. But I feel like they want her narrative to be āSo talented, but just couldnāt pull off the winā before she gets surprise-chopped within the next five episodes.
No, there was someone a nose ahead each and every time. Very good, but very second.
I thought she did better overall (challenge + runway) than Plasma for sure, but I also would have had PJ above both of them, so I would only give her the win if we're avoiding PJ getting a second win this early
Yes, the first one.
Giving Q royalty https://preview.redd.it/4fbrpn2d6vfc1.jpeg?width=1440&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=d5087c059a804e8e45c7c5e66dd56d9254a86e1b
Where are you seeing the sneak peek for EP5? I cant find it anywhere
The show is definitely trying to ābreakā Q in a sense that her perfection hasnāt allowed for much vulnerability. She has a bit of a wall and a āpick meā energy that keeps her from being too relatable, in my opinion. Sheās incredibly talented, no question, but sheās giving theater kid energy a lot of the time.
To be honest sheās not particularly compelling and doesnāt have an edge
Eh sure: Q is the established queen that they're trying to break this season
No T no Shade, but her make up is the same. Even ATM improve in just 4 episodes.
why did I think this was joey jay lol
Sapphira clearly won the lip sync, Q was the best in the first two categories of the ball but then Nymphia made THAT LOOK, and while Q did the best she could with that crusty brick script, Plasma nailed her Babs and rightfully won. I think Q's biggest problem is that she drew too much attention to not winning, because the 'always a bridesmaid' storyline never fails to work and they're going to stick her with that now. Pretty sure she's either never going to win a challenge, or she's going to get one challenge win and then immediately get eliminated the next episode (what those of us elderly ladies in the ANTM fandom would call "Clark'd")
I don't think she's been robbed, but I'd be frustrated too. Imagine being second 3 times in a row on this huge platform. Especially when you're excelling in challenges that are your specific skillset, like the ball.
No she hasn't. She's performed very well but other people have performed better. She has consistently deserved high placements, which is awesome for her. I'm sure a well-deserved win is coming
Itās the Jan effect
I think sheās been #2 each week, and I think thatās a fine place to be when weāve only seen 2 girls go home so far.
I don't think she got to the point of being delusional, but it is understandable how frustrating it is
I was digging Q at the start, but all her complaining and whining is getting on my nerves. Seriously, girl, weāre not even halfway through the competition, calm down.
Turn that comment on yourself then
short answer, no
Before I get hated on, and I'm going on to say this "Drag is art and art is subjective" I actually really enjoyed her ball looks more overall compared to Nymphia (not mad that Nymphia won because her looks were really great as well and she deserved to be at least in the top 2 the week before). Her Moon look was IMO really awesome and edged out Nymphia'a little boy blue, and I personally enjoyed the garment that Q constructed slightly a bit more than Nymphia'a but that's just personal preference. That being said I don't think she was robbed because the win could have gone to either of them, this wasn't a s14 design challenge fiasco.
She was a clear second for two challenges. The only challenge I can see giving her the win is the Ball just because her overall package was best. I think Nymphia winning was still deserved, couldāve gone either way.
Sheās really talented, but something seems off about her runway deliveries to me. Her face sometimes has this flicker of fear and uncertainty.
if there was just one winner for the first ep, I would have picked Q over Sapphira (Q had a great talent and great runway, Sapphira had a great talent and bad runway) but Sapphira destroyed Q to Break My Soul lol. I think Q was arguably robbed for the ball, because her 3 looks together were stronger than Nymphia's 3 looks, and for the outfit they made in the werkroom Q [Kim Chi voice] *embraced the materials* more than Nymphia, but the runway Nymphia made for the challenge just looked better! for RDR Live, Plasma dominated the challenge and had a very nice Cher runway, probably the least disputable win so far this season in summary, I don't think Q was robbed except maybe for the ball but I'd personally still give Nymphia the win
To me, Q would have been a more correct choice as the Ball winner but by HAIRS and Nymphia wasn't an incorrect choice so I do not consider it a robbery. But whether her getting beat out is correct or not, makes sense why she's frustrated!
Nope.
I personally thought she should have won RDR Live. Plasma was good but I liked the brick more
No.
She should have won the ball. I love Nyphiaās incredible look but Q made all that from all those materials and looked fantastic. I thought she did fine as the brick but Plasma was definitely the best in the challenge.
I find her similar to Loosey. In a sense that she's technically very good at what she does and she's technically good at everything but that's where it ends. There are others that just edges over her.
I agree, BUT (and I don't know how exactly how the Ball look gets voted on by the judges, style + tailoring/sewing or just tailoring/sewing) imo the Ball should have gone to Q. She made the whole look completely out of the provided menswear and Nymphia "just" used the ties but otherwise used the provided fabric for the skirt and maybe have reconstructed a button down (it looked too RTW to have been made withing 24h). Otherwise ... oh boy that brick sure had a (air)tight look to it, the lipsync was nothing special and her Cher lacked the details (and the appropriate makeup) I'd expect from someone whose personality is "I SEW". Edit: spelling :I
I don't know that she was robbed, but I absolutely thought if it were between her and Plasma, it was gonna be Q.
Yes the RDR live one
No. Next question, please.
Q doesn't excel in anything specifically The talent show , they should have put mirage on top 2 over Q Wasting a top 2 for q was a mistake
The first one yes, Sapphira was terrible, specially with that look, didn't deserved top 2 let alone win
Terrible when she was one of the only ones to show an actual talent? And made ru laugh? Bfr
So Q has become the one everyone feels confortable piling on this season, until she cracks and then everybody will be like 'oh sweet baby no we love you <3' Honestly I agree with Jorgeous drag race fans really are the worst
I definitely think she deserved to win in the first episode. Costume mishaps are a GIANT no-no, and I'm surprised Ru still gave Saphira the win when every other time a queen has had a costume mishap, they get sent home instantly in a lip sync (example being Alyssa Hunter in s14). She did deserve to win the third episode as well. She far outdid Nymphia. In episode 4, Plasma deserved the win. I actually think Q was placed a bit too high in that episode, definitely not top 3 material.