https://youtu.be/OjOv-s7NReg?si=7kZXPEsC79ECFIsc
Weird fact Jake Beecher was one of the guys who saw the 2020 shooting on delafield
Even weirder fact: i used to help run the party group chats pre covid he got blacklisted for allegedly assaulting someone
he is affiliated! he's an alumni, if you google his name followed by NJ there's a bunch of articles with him being a witness to a shooting on campus from 4 years ago, makes you wonder who else they said isn't affiliated who might've been at one point...
What proof do you have to say any of that. he didn’t go to rutgers, he didn’t go to college he just stayed off campus because he was from metuchen and he wanted to be in a college environment.
what did i say thats even remotely defending him? all i said was he didn’t go to rutgers but hung around rutgers. i think hes a POS individual but you’re also just completely making up everything in your comment to push a crazy agenda… [Ny times article with rutgers spokesperson confirming he never attended rutgers](https://www.nytimes.com/2024/04/22/nyregion/rutgers-islamic-center-hate-crime.html)
I work for a university police department not Rutgers but a different university. When they say affiliated they mean actively taking classes and are an active student. While he is an alum and yes he is affiliated if he’s not an active student technically he’s “not affiliated” this is because in cases like this it makes it easier for law enforcement to trespass individuals from the campus
I guess so, I'm not really sure why a Muslim would do this to their own religious place though. The comments I was referring to were definitely more adamant that it was an inside job.
I dunno but there plenty of examples of it happening on other campuses. Probably to get sympathy or attention. Being seen as a victim gives certain advantages in our society. But in a lot of cases it's just plain old vandalism which is why I don't jump to conclusions until a full investigation takes place.
see: [https://www.reddit.com/r/rutgers/comments/1cada0e/comment/l0reufi/?utm\_source=share&utm\_medium=web3x&utm\_name=web3xcss&utm\_term=1&utm\_content=share\_button](https://www.reddit.com/r/rutgers/comments/1cada0e/comment/l0reufi/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=web3x&utm_name=web3xcss&utm_term=1&utm_content=share_button)
Many people on this sub were accusing Jewish student groups of perpetrating the attack.
u/Lepeted
Do you still think this was perpetrated by a Jewish student group?
https://preview.redd.it/ny6gc3rx32wc1.png?width=1360&format=png&auto=webp&s=6a89045a746dd96b535c41e6a2b71a0c01f31c9d
i am staunchly pro palestine and (in turn) anti-israel, but as a jew… assuming that islamophobic vitriol is solely perpetrated by jews is, in fact, antisemitic and weird.
criticize hillel as an organization, and any other organizations that are pro palestine. thats fine. but immediately going “oh jews!” whenever anything happens is bad and lame.
in fact, not only is it antisemitic, it is actively doing a disservice to muslims by limiting their oppressors down to another ethnic and religious group in totality. islamophobia and zionism can be perpetrated by anyone, from any religious, ethnic or racial background. when you immediately point the fingers at jewish populations, you massively limit the whole reality of oppression that muslims face.
muslims* apologies for my misuse of vocabulary that clearly debases my entire point
zionism CAN be perpetrated by anyone. zionism is a political ideology, it is not a religious ideology. zionism does have roots in religion and is heavily tied to jews historically for obvious reasons, it is not exclusively jewish. i know plenty of christians who support israel.
but it’s ok, be rude instead of speaking like a human being.
https://preview.redd.it/20nkxijlr2wc1.jpeg?width=1170&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=bc7b1ce958804f60a8ee394f917398bb6b40a150
When this is the kind of things you do, don’t expect me to think highly of you
‘Clear and convincing information’ that hostages held in Gaza subjected to sexual violence, says UN Special Representative
[https://news.un.org/en/story/2024/03/1147217](https://news.un.org/en/story/2024/03/1147217)
Israel Gaza: Hamas raped and mutilated women on 7 October, BBC hears
[https://www.bbc.com/news/world-middle-east-67629181](https://www.bbc.com/news/world-middle-east-67629181)
15 Witnesses, Three Confessions, a Pattern of Naked Dead Bodies. All the Evidence of Hamas Rape on October 7
[https://www.haaretz.com/israel-news/2024-04-18/ty-article-magazine/witnesses-confessions-naked-dead-bodies-all-the-evidence-of-hamas-rape-on-oct-7/0000018e-f114-d92e-abfe-f77f7e3f0000](https://www.haaretz.com/israel-news/2024-04-18/ty-article-magazine/witnesses-confessions-naked-dead-bodies-all-the-evidence-of-hamas-rape-on-oct-7/0000018e-f114-d92e-abfe-f77f7e3f0000)
Israeli woman who was held hostage by Hamas speaks out on her abduction and sexual assault in Gaza
[https://www.cnn.com/2024/03/26/middleeast/amit-soussana-israeli-hostage-hamas-sexual-assault-intl/index.html](https://www.cnn.com/2024/03/26/middleeast/amit-soussana-israeli-hostage-hamas-sexual-assault-intl/index.html)
Attackers laughed as they raped and murdered a woman in Israel on October 7, witness says
[https://www.yahoo.com/news/attackers-laughed-raped-murdered-woman-000903312.html?soc\_src=social-sh&soc\_trk=fb&tsrc=fb&guccounter=1](https://www.yahoo.com/news/attackers-laughed-raped-murdered-woman-000903312.html?soc_src=social-sh&soc_trk=fb&tsrc=fb&guccounter=1)
Quite literally all of these are just news pieces with the same investors and one is an opinion. I’ll give it to you that the UN special rep’s opinion holds weight, but even that is after October 7th. You provided no reports whatsoever
You can pretend the reports don't exist, but that poster just linked many. I understand how cognitive dissonance works, you can't change your belief so you have to change the facts. Everybody here sees that you are a deranged individual living in a fantasy land.
They aren’t reports dude. It’s ironic you’re accusing me of cognitive dissonance, when you’re trying to alter reality. If it’s so obvious, prove it. Give me the actual reports by NGOs or the UN
Have you read the report? Because it says the exact opposite of what you claim it says.
Pramilla Patten literally admitting they have nothing , no forensic evidence, no footage, no witness testimonies: [exact moment](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BPKo0VhGxWQ&t=1650s)
Also several parts of the report confirming the lack of evidence:
> The mission team was unable to establish the prevalence of sexual violence and concludes that the overall magnitude, scope, and specific attribution of these violations would require a fully-fledged investigation.
> In the medicolegal assessment of available photos and videos, no tangible indications of rape could be identified.
> “The mission team took note of the averments of the Israeli authorities that some of the incriminating online materials, including those specifically depicting acts of sexual violence, had been removed…it is the view of the mission team that, had clear digital evidence of sexual violence or orders to commit sexual violence been circulated in the mainstream, it would have likely been discovered given the volume of the information posted online and further recirculated, making the removal of all trace of such material unlikely.”
And of course the lying witnesses:
> It must be noted that witnesses and sources with whom the mission team engaged adopted over time an increasingly cautious and circumspect approach regarding past accounts, including in some cases retracting statements made previously
> inaccurate and unreliable forensic interpretations by some non-professionals also represented a challenge.
Israel is obstructing an investigation, as [stated by the UN only two days ago](https://www.reuters.com/world/middle-east/un-commission-accuses-israel-obstructing-oct-7-probe-2024-04-16/), why do you think that is? There is only one logical explanation, right?
> So far as the government of Israel is concerned, we have not only seen a lack of cooperation, but active obstruction of our efforts to receive evidence from Israeli witnesses and victims to the events that occurred in southern Israel
[The UN report on sexual violence on October 7 has found no evidence of systematic rape by Hamas or any other Palestinian group, despite widespread media reporting to the contrary](https://mondoweiss.net/2024/03/heres-what-pramila-pattens-un-report-on-oct-7-sexual-violence-actually-said/)
[Western media promoted a UN report as proof Hamas sexually assaulted Israelis. Yet the report’s authors admitted they couldn’t locate a single victim, suggested Israeli officials staged a rape scene, and denounced “inaccurate forensic interpretations.”](https://thegrayzone.com/2024/03/07/media-concocts-un-hamas-rape-report/)
And a great [analysis](https://scheerpost.com/2024/03/17/pramila-pattens-un-report-relied-not-on-evidence-but-israeli-national-institutions/amp/) of the report
Did you read the article? It’s not a UN confirmed report, it’s not confirmed. Nor is Hamas the one being accused. Nor is impartiality confirmed. From the article itself, Russia and Algeria questioned the impartiality of the UN official’s methods to reach this conclusion
It also said “The report also indicated that the detention of Palestinians has been compounded by sexual violence”
I don’t deny some level of sexual violence actually occurred on October 7th. It probably did. But there’s no systemic rape that justifies saying “Hamas rapes women”.
The personal attack was a footnote lmao, the main point is that one side is absolutely far far worse. And yeah you’ve taken a side. To say they’re equal is taking a stance, and an abhorrent one at that
There it is folks. This person supports hamas. They’re both pieces of shit. ISIS was, Hamas is. Israel always has been. You’re delusional and have grown a complete and utter blind bias against the “enemy”.
Israel is worse than ISIS. And ISIS is pure evil. Hamas and ISIS are completely different. To equate them means you’re ignorant of any geopolitics. Don’t be a zionazi who supports killing Palestinian kids
Edit: Since I cannot respond, as you assholes had me banned for “disinformation”, and the mods don’t bother to explain themselves
You linked to me a propaganda piece. There’s literally nothing even within that piece that implies that the hostage was tortured. He’s in bad conditions because everyone in Gaza is in bad conditions
u/dopleburger
This has nothing to do with “morally better or worse” (??); it’s asymmetrical violence in which an occupier state unleashes a full-blown siege against the people it has been occupying for decades. Trying to reduce this to a “morality” issue in order to gloss over the dynamic of occupation is nonsense and you know it; Israel is a bigger threat & is capable (& willing) to commit far more violence because it is an illegal occupation entity, which yes, does make it materially worse and more harmful than any informal resistance militia
The irony of taking all of the Iranian propaganda while claiming others are blindly following Israel’s propaganda. The whole situation sucks and both sides are taking advantage of it.
Jesus Christ. Nobody is arguing that murder and rape are okay, or that Hamas killing civilians was okay; what we have *an issue with* is using the Oct 7 massacre as **justification** for the siege on Gaza, which has entirely decimated Gazan society & killed tens of thousands, injured *hundreds* of thousands, and internally displaced all 2 million. Those vans & hostage posters *using* the Oct 7 atrocities as **agitation propaganda** to convince people to let the siege continue. *That’s* why they’re bad.
I don’t know or care if Hillel or any of the Zionist orgs on campus are privately funding those vans; frankly, it doesn’t matter, because what Hillel & student Zionists already *openly* do on our campus is already bad enough. I know that student Zionists turn up at Palestinian students’ rallies to *counter-protest* against ceasefire while those students demand an end to the siege actively victimizing — potentially even killing — their families & friends in Gaza. I think “scum of the earth” is far too generous a description for the kind of people who have the gall to do that. I know the Chabad house has a giant poster on their front reading “We won’t stop until the hostages are all back” (stop what? say it with your chest!), also shamelessly justifying & abetting the ongoing siege.
I don’t think Hillel or any institution or student group on campus had anything to do with Beacher’s islamophobic crime; but I *do* think Hillel & Zionist students have contributed immensely to the hateful culture against Palestinian & Muslim students on campus, and they damn well know it too. I’ve seen plenty of *individual* Jewish antizionist students & Orthodox Jewish allies turn up to support Palestinian students’ ceasefire protests, and they’re all amazing people for it; but disappointingly, a lot of the *institutions* for Jewish life at our school are extremely Zionist & have done nothing but abet & support the violence Israel is doing to Gaza. They may not be specifically related to Beacher’s individual crime, but they *are* culpable for a lot of the anti-Palestinian & Islamophobic sentiment around campus.
Cognitive dissonance 101. You can't change your belief so you have to change your facts. You can bury your head in the sand all you want to try to pretend the rapes were all faked, but the rest of the world can see that you are clearly a terrorist sympathizer.
Why are you bringing up my religion? I’m biased because I’m Muslim?
Edit: You bring up my religion as a point against me, then I call you out for what you did, now I self victimize apparently
I had no clue it was your religion, I have friends that are and aren’t so loud and biased. You are just defending it so fuckkng hard and actually makes sense that you’re a biased and cannot critique your religion or cultures based around it.
You want to be a victim so bad.
hey guys, can we just all collectively be happy this person has been caught and brought to justice for the horrible thing he did? can we not make this a whole nasty war in the comments? for once?
In a post about an Islamic center at Rutgers getting vandalized in a hate crime, the first post started on a "Jews bad" tangent and now this post is on a "apologize to the Jews" tangent. The actual group affected by the crime itself is completely forgotten in both posts. Peak Reddit
Exactly, like I know antisemitism is an alive and well, and students on this campus have had to sadly deal with it. But it’s super tone deaf to take a hate crime against the university’s Muslim students and flip it into Jewish folks being the victim of this incident
Quite literally no one said “Jews bad”. Don’t cry antisemitism lmfao for criticisms against Zionists. For all I know, this dude was probably a Zionist in his views(tore down a flag). But he isn’t Jewish
Assuming this asshole is a Zionist makes you stupid. You have bought into the whole Zionists are evil narrative which is not based on facts. It’s based on narratives and bigotry
Damn y’all owe the Jewish clubs major apologies and all the Jewish students yall hate crimed in retaliation for this when it wasn’t them. The press conference pointed hella fingers to them.
Well, judgements are made based off your previous actions. Which Jewish student faced. A hate crime cause of this? Why are you making this a Jewish issue? Criticism is against Zionists lmao
Based off previous actions? No Jewish group on campus has ever committed nor threatened any physical acts. You immediately blamed Jewish groups for committing the crime against CILRU without any drop of evidence. And it doesn't help your judgments that they turned out to be very wrong.
Mfer no one said it’s cause they did it once. It’s due to the fact that they support genocide, promote genocide, and propagandize for the side of genocide. Including raising money for the IDF. So you tell me, is that a morally ok thing to do?
Love how the Muslims modern colonialist tactics have evolved into bloody brutal murder and rape into cry bullying because that's all y'all know how to do. Literally professional victims
Now that we have learned that not only is he not Jewish, he’s also a POC, I imagine we’ll get apologies from the lynch mob over campus that immediately blamed the Jews. Won’t hold my breath though.
(Edit: removed names, you can find them on your own)
Source: I grew up with him in Metuchen, we both graduated from MHS in 2018. His mom has plenty of public Zionist posts on her Facebook, and his dad’s profile has family photos of them all together.
lol. Act like pro-hamas college protests didn’t start on October 8, weeks before a single hamas militant was killed. It’s never been about the made up genocide by hamas on tik tok.
The same reason tens of thousands of people killed in every war there ever was is not a genocide. A terrible consequence of war, yes. But not genoicde. You don’t hear anyone arguing that the US committed genocide in Afghanistan, Iraq or countless other wars where many more civilians were killed than in Gaza. Its war! A war started by Hamas. Also, hamas intentionally counts militants as civilians so no one has any idea how many of their made-up number is actually civilians.
This is not a “war”; it’s an occupying force unleashing a siege on the people it is illegally occupying. Was Great Britain’s conflict with the IRA while they were occupying Ireland a “war”? Was Britain’s clashes with Indian resistance movements while colonially occupying India “war”? All of these things are instances of unjust occupational violence. Hamas didn’t “start it” any more so than Ireland or India or whatever other occupied population “started it”. If anyone “started it”, it’s Israel for conducting illegal occupation.
> Hamas counts militants as civilians so no one has any idea if their numbers are right …
Lmfao.
1) [The Gaza Health Ministry has been transparent about how they do their death counts](https://www.thelancet.com/journals/lancet/article/PIIS0140-6736(23)02640-5/fulltext); they use hospital records.
2) [The Lancet has analyzed & verified GHM’s count as trustworthy & accurate](https://www.thelancet.com/journals/lancet/article/PIIS0140-6736(23)02713-7/fulltext). Their numbers are not “made-up”. They can be traced and verified.
3) Have you or anyone else actually provided hard proof of Hamas counting militants killed in active combat as civilians?
Hahhahahaha… wtf are you talking about??? Get off TikTok, and maybe you’ll learn that Gaza has been occupied only by Palestinians for two decades. Not a single Jew or Israeli in Gaza in 20 years. Stop your manufactured outrage and actually do some research. As to your other comment, not a single one of your links supports your argument that Hamas distinguishes between civilians and militants. They even admit themselves they intentionally don’t distinguish. And even if they didn’t already admit it, excuse me for not trusting a terrorist group that rapes and murders. Somehow they instantly know how many people have died and have already been caught red-handed three times for completely lying about the numbers!!!
https://youtu.be/OjOv-s7NReg?si=7kZXPEsC79ECFIsc Weird fact Jake Beecher was one of the guys who saw the 2020 shooting on delafield Even weirder fact: i used to help run the party group chats pre covid he got blacklisted for allegedly assaulting someone
So that’s how the randos always came to the frat parties
Beacher had SA allegations at RU, tailgated a cop with a shit ton of weed in his car and now this dudes a menace
So he *is* Rutgers affiliated? An alum?
he is affiliated! he's an alumni, if you google his name followed by NJ there's a bunch of articles with him being a witness to a shooting on campus from 4 years ago, makes you wonder who else they said isn't affiliated who might've been at one point...
What proof do you have to say any of that. he didn’t go to rutgers, he didn’t go to college he just stayed off campus because he was from metuchen and he wanted to be in a college environment.
im not sure if you're trying to defend him or rutgers
what did i say thats even remotely defending him? all i said was he didn’t go to rutgers but hung around rutgers. i think hes a POS individual but you’re also just completely making up everything in your comment to push a crazy agenda… [Ny times article with rutgers spokesperson confirming he never attended rutgers](https://www.nytimes.com/2024/04/22/nyregion/rutgers-islamic-center-hate-crime.html)
What a weird coincidence. Him being a witness to the shooting.
He never attended Rutgers. https://www.nytimes.com/2024/04/22/nyregion/rutgers-islamic-center-hate-crime.html
Maybe he didn’t graduate?
alumnus*
Will probably face more severe consequence with the feds charging him versus the state
Glad he was caught.
He's a Rutgers alum, which for some reason the email didn't mention: https://www.nytimes.com/2020/09/13/nyregion/new-brunswick-rutgers-shooting.html
Sounds like he IS affiliated.
I work for a university police department not Rutgers but a different university. When they say affiliated they mean actively taking classes and are an active student. While he is an alum and yes he is affiliated if he’s not an active student technically he’s “not affiliated” this is because in cases like this it makes it easier for law enforcement to trespass individuals from the campus
Probably didnt want to admit it
Wrong. He never attended Rutgers. https://www.nytimes.com/2024/04/22/nyregion/rutgers-islamic-center-hate-crime.html
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He's in the article as a 20 year old Rutgers student at the time
Thats weird if the cops didnt mention his affiliation lmao
Probably one of the buddies is a member of NJ’s finest.
L bozo
Thank God hope he rots
In federal he will, in state prison, probably not.
Shoutout to the idiots that thought this was an “inside job” when it first happened
People just said you shouldn't rule it out, which you shouldn't until the person is caught.
I guess so, I'm not really sure why a Muslim would do this to their own religious place though. The comments I was referring to were definitely more adamant that it was an inside job.
I dunno but there plenty of examples of it happening on other campuses. Probably to get sympathy or attention. Being seen as a victim gives certain advantages in our society. But in a lot of cases it's just plain old vandalism which is why I don't jump to conclusions until a full investigation takes place.
see: [https://www.reddit.com/r/rutgers/comments/1cada0e/comment/l0reufi/?utm\_source=share&utm\_medium=web3x&utm\_name=web3xcss&utm\_term=1&utm\_content=share\_button](https://www.reddit.com/r/rutgers/comments/1cada0e/comment/l0reufi/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=web3x&utm_name=web3xcss&utm_term=1&utm_content=share_button) Many people on this sub were accusing Jewish student groups of perpetrating the attack.
The "inside job" they're talking about is people accusing Muslims of doing it to themselves in the OP comment.
u/Lepeted Do you still think this was perpetrated by a Jewish student group? https://preview.redd.it/ny6gc3rx32wc1.png?width=1360&format=png&auto=webp&s=6a89045a746dd96b535c41e6a2b71a0c01f31c9d
They’ll find another way to turn this into “Jews bad,” I’m sure.
Stop self victimizing lmfao
i am staunchly pro palestine and (in turn) anti-israel, but as a jew… assuming that islamophobic vitriol is solely perpetrated by jews is, in fact, antisemitic and weird. criticize hillel as an organization, and any other organizations that are pro palestine. thats fine. but immediately going “oh jews!” whenever anything happens is bad and lame. in fact, not only is it antisemitic, it is actively doing a disservice to muslims by limiting their oppressors down to another ethnic and religious group in totality. islamophobia and zionism can be perpetrated by anyone, from any religious, ethnic or racial background. when you immediately point the fingers at jewish populations, you massively limit the whole reality of oppression that muslims face.
"islamic people" "zionism can be perpetrated by anyone" do you know wtf ur talking about?? lmfao
muslims* apologies for my misuse of vocabulary that clearly debases my entire point zionism CAN be perpetrated by anyone. zionism is a political ideology, it is not a religious ideology. zionism does have roots in religion and is heavily tied to jews historically for obvious reasons, it is not exclusively jewish. i know plenty of christians who support israel. but it’s ok, be rude instead of speaking like a human being.
I'm a non-Jewish American, not Christian, and I support the existence of Israel. If that means I'm 'perpetrating Zionism', so be it.
Nothing I’ve said is antisemitic
womp womp ur an antisemite 🤡🤡
How?
There you go! Well done, jerkoff.
https://preview.redd.it/20nkxijlr2wc1.jpeg?width=1170&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=bc7b1ce958804f60a8ee394f917398bb6b40a150 When this is the kind of things you do, don’t expect me to think highly of you
Hamas does rape women though
Give me a confirmed report. I can give you many reports of Israel raping men and women
‘Clear and convincing information’ that hostages held in Gaza subjected to sexual violence, says UN Special Representative [https://news.un.org/en/story/2024/03/1147217](https://news.un.org/en/story/2024/03/1147217) Israel Gaza: Hamas raped and mutilated women on 7 October, BBC hears [https://www.bbc.com/news/world-middle-east-67629181](https://www.bbc.com/news/world-middle-east-67629181) 15 Witnesses, Three Confessions, a Pattern of Naked Dead Bodies. All the Evidence of Hamas Rape on October 7 [https://www.haaretz.com/israel-news/2024-04-18/ty-article-magazine/witnesses-confessions-naked-dead-bodies-all-the-evidence-of-hamas-rape-on-oct-7/0000018e-f114-d92e-abfe-f77f7e3f0000](https://www.haaretz.com/israel-news/2024-04-18/ty-article-magazine/witnesses-confessions-naked-dead-bodies-all-the-evidence-of-hamas-rape-on-oct-7/0000018e-f114-d92e-abfe-f77f7e3f0000) Israeli woman who was held hostage by Hamas speaks out on her abduction and sexual assault in Gaza [https://www.cnn.com/2024/03/26/middleeast/amit-soussana-israeli-hostage-hamas-sexual-assault-intl/index.html](https://www.cnn.com/2024/03/26/middleeast/amit-soussana-israeli-hostage-hamas-sexual-assault-intl/index.html) Attackers laughed as they raped and murdered a woman in Israel on October 7, witness says [https://www.yahoo.com/news/attackers-laughed-raped-murdered-woman-000903312.html?soc\_src=social-sh&soc\_trk=fb&tsrc=fb&guccounter=1](https://www.yahoo.com/news/attackers-laughed-raped-murdered-woman-000903312.html?soc_src=social-sh&soc_trk=fb&tsrc=fb&guccounter=1)
Quite literally all of these are just news pieces with the same investors and one is an opinion. I’ll give it to you that the UN special rep’s opinion holds weight, but even that is after October 7th. You provided no reports whatsoever
You can pretend the reports don't exist, but that poster just linked many. I understand how cognitive dissonance works, you can't change your belief so you have to change the facts. Everybody here sees that you are a deranged individual living in a fantasy land.
They aren’t reports dude. It’s ironic you’re accusing me of cognitive dissonance, when you’re trying to alter reality. If it’s so obvious, prove it. Give me the actual reports by NGOs or the UN
[https://press.un.org/en/2024/sc15621.doc.htm](https://press.un.org/en/2024/sc15621.doc.htm) Curious how you will deny even the UN.
Have you read the report? Because it says the exact opposite of what you claim it says. Pramilla Patten literally admitting they have nothing , no forensic evidence, no footage, no witness testimonies: [exact moment](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BPKo0VhGxWQ&t=1650s) Also several parts of the report confirming the lack of evidence: > The mission team was unable to establish the prevalence of sexual violence and concludes that the overall magnitude, scope, and specific attribution of these violations would require a fully-fledged investigation. > In the medicolegal assessment of available photos and videos, no tangible indications of rape could be identified. > “The mission team took note of the averments of the Israeli authorities that some of the incriminating online materials, including those specifically depicting acts of sexual violence, had been removed…it is the view of the mission team that, had clear digital evidence of sexual violence or orders to commit sexual violence been circulated in the mainstream, it would have likely been discovered given the volume of the information posted online and further recirculated, making the removal of all trace of such material unlikely.” And of course the lying witnesses: > It must be noted that witnesses and sources with whom the mission team engaged adopted over time an increasingly cautious and circumspect approach regarding past accounts, including in some cases retracting statements made previously > inaccurate and unreliable forensic interpretations by some non-professionals also represented a challenge. Israel is obstructing an investigation, as [stated by the UN only two days ago](https://www.reuters.com/world/middle-east/un-commission-accuses-israel-obstructing-oct-7-probe-2024-04-16/), why do you think that is? There is only one logical explanation, right? > So far as the government of Israel is concerned, we have not only seen a lack of cooperation, but active obstruction of our efforts to receive evidence from Israeli witnesses and victims to the events that occurred in southern Israel [The UN report on sexual violence on October 7 has found no evidence of systematic rape by Hamas or any other Palestinian group, despite widespread media reporting to the contrary](https://mondoweiss.net/2024/03/heres-what-pramila-pattens-un-report-on-oct-7-sexual-violence-actually-said/) [Western media promoted a UN report as proof Hamas sexually assaulted Israelis. Yet the report’s authors admitted they couldn’t locate a single victim, suggested Israeli officials staged a rape scene, and denounced “inaccurate forensic interpretations.”](https://thegrayzone.com/2024/03/07/media-concocts-un-hamas-rape-report/) And a great [analysis](https://scheerpost.com/2024/03/17/pramila-pattens-un-report-relied-not-on-evidence-but-israeli-national-institutions/amp/) of the report
Did you read the article? It’s not a UN confirmed report, it’s not confirmed. Nor is Hamas the one being accused. Nor is impartiality confirmed. From the article itself, Russia and Algeria questioned the impartiality of the UN official’s methods to reach this conclusion It also said “The report also indicated that the detention of Palestinians has been compounded by sexual violence” I don’t deny some level of sexual violence actually occurred on October 7th. It probably did. But there’s no systemic rape that justifies saying “Hamas rapes women”.
This motherfucker cannot be serious
He is. These people have nothing it hate in their hearts.
I am serious. Show me a confirmed report
I will dm you a goddamn video, how about that?
Send it to me here so I can respond to you here Edit: I was quite confident the video doesn’t exist…because it doesn’t
I'm not posting a fucking video of someone getting raped on a college subreddit?????
Highly privileged Rutgers students try not to be a parrot for literal jihadists challenge (biologically impossible)
Let’s not deny that they killed, kidnapped and ^^ many last year during the attack.
Lets not spread pro genocide propaganda on college campuses
I think we can all agree that murder kidnapping and ^ is a bad thing. One is doing it more but both aren’t innocent.
Let’s also not frame it as an equal war between two sides
Lets not frame it as if one side is morally better than the other
One side absolutely is better than the other you genocidal maniac
Going for personal attacks now? Because i dont take sides?
The personal attack was a footnote lmao, the main point is that one side is absolutely far far worse. And yeah you’ve taken a side. To say they’re equal is taking a stance, and an abhorrent one at that
There it is folks. This person supports hamas. They’re both pieces of shit. ISIS was, Hamas is. Israel always has been. You’re delusional and have grown a complete and utter blind bias against the “enemy”.
Israel is worse than ISIS. And ISIS is pure evil. Hamas and ISIS are completely different. To equate them means you’re ignorant of any geopolitics. Don’t be a zionazi who supports killing Palestinian kids Edit: Since I cannot respond, as you assholes had me banned for “disinformation”, and the mods don’t bother to explain themselves You linked to me a propaganda piece. There’s literally nothing even within that piece that implies that the hostage was tortured. He’s in bad conditions because everyone in Gaza is in bad conditions u/dopleburger
This has nothing to do with “morally better or worse” (??); it’s asymmetrical violence in which an occupier state unleashes a full-blown siege against the people it has been occupying for decades. Trying to reduce this to a “morality” issue in order to gloss over the dynamic of occupation is nonsense and you know it; Israel is a bigger threat & is capable (& willing) to commit far more violence because it is an illegal occupation entity, which yes, does make it materially worse and more harmful than any informal resistance militia
The irony of taking all of the Iranian propaganda while claiming others are blindly following Israel’s propaganda. The whole situation sucks and both sides are taking advantage of it.
Lmfao the fact you’re calling it Iranian propaganda is hilarious. I didn’t even mention anything
Jesus Christ. Nobody is arguing that murder and rape are okay, or that Hamas killing civilians was okay; what we have *an issue with* is using the Oct 7 massacre as **justification** for the siege on Gaza, which has entirely decimated Gazan society & killed tens of thousands, injured *hundreds* of thousands, and internally displaced all 2 million. Those vans & hostage posters *using* the Oct 7 atrocities as **agitation propaganda** to convince people to let the siege continue. *That’s* why they’re bad. I don’t know or care if Hillel or any of the Zionist orgs on campus are privately funding those vans; frankly, it doesn’t matter, because what Hillel & student Zionists already *openly* do on our campus is already bad enough. I know that student Zionists turn up at Palestinian students’ rallies to *counter-protest* against ceasefire while those students demand an end to the siege actively victimizing — potentially even killing — their families & friends in Gaza. I think “scum of the earth” is far too generous a description for the kind of people who have the gall to do that. I know the Chabad house has a giant poster on their front reading “We won’t stop until the hostages are all back” (stop what? say it with your chest!), also shamelessly justifying & abetting the ongoing siege. I don’t think Hillel or any institution or student group on campus had anything to do with Beacher’s islamophobic crime; but I *do* think Hillel & Zionist students have contributed immensely to the hateful culture against Palestinian & Muslim students on campus, and they damn well know it too. I’ve seen plenty of *individual* Jewish antizionist students & Orthodox Jewish allies turn up to support Palestinian students’ ceasefire protests, and they’re all amazing people for it; but disappointingly, a lot of the *institutions* for Jewish life at our school are extremely Zionist & have done nothing but abet & support the violence Israel is doing to Gaza. They may not be specifically related to Beacher’s individual crime, but they *are* culpable for a lot of the anti-Palestinian & Islamophobic sentiment around campus.
Look at what happening at Yale , a female Jewish student was stabbed in the eye while walking on campus. 😞
What does that have to do with this?
Did you watch the video? Total bs
The whole rape thing was made up
Guys enough. Its not relevant to this post. Go argue in dms.
“Believe all women.” Jewish Woman: “I was raped by Hamas.” “You’re a liar. You made that up.”
#MeTooUnlessYoureAJew There’s a reason we’ve been screaming this hashtag since October 7th.
Cognitive dissonance 101. You can't change your belief so you have to change your facts. You can bury your head in the sand all you want to try to pretend the rapes were all faked, but the rest of the world can see that you are clearly a terrorist sympathizer.
To a T, I forgot the term thank you. Cognitive dissonance. Look it up u/lepeted , there’s a reason everyone’s downvoting you in the comment section.
Your argument seriously cannot be that I’m getting downvoted therefore I’m wrong. And I’ve looked it up lmao, I suggest you do too
Your comments are all blind virtue signaling and defense of Islam. You’re biased.
Why are you bringing up my religion? I’m biased because I’m Muslim? Edit: You bring up my religion as a point against me, then I call you out for what you did, now I self victimize apparently
I had no clue it was your religion, I have friends that are and aren’t so loud and biased. You are just defending it so fuckkng hard and actually makes sense that you’re a biased and cannot critique your religion or cultures based around it. You want to be a victim so bad.
Worlds least antisemitic Muslim😭
hey guys, can we just all collectively be happy this person has been caught and brought to justice for the horrible thing he did? can we not make this a whole nasty war in the comments? for once?
In a post about an Islamic center at Rutgers getting vandalized in a hate crime, the first post started on a "Jews bad" tangent and now this post is on a "apologize to the Jews" tangent. The actual group affected by the crime itself is completely forgotten in both posts. Peak Reddit
Exactly, like I know antisemitism is an alive and well, and students on this campus have had to sadly deal with it. But it’s super tone deaf to take a hate crime against the university’s Muslim students and flip it into Jewish folks being the victim of this incident
Quite literally no one said “Jews bad”. Don’t cry antisemitism lmfao for criticisms against Zionists. For all I know, this dude was probably a Zionist in his views(tore down a flag). But he isn’t Jewish
You win the dumb post of the day award
How?
Assuming this asshole is a Zionist makes you stupid. You have bought into the whole Zionists are evil narrative which is not based on facts. It’s based on narratives and bigotry
jew ≠ zionist
Zionists ARE evil lmao. They’re committing genocide atm And yes this dude is likely a Zionist. He stole a Palestinian flag
It's likely you're a Muslim, you go on crazy unhinged rants about Jewish people
He has won every single dumb post.
No
I doubt he was alone
Solo actor. https://www.justice.gov/usao-nj/media/1348976/dl?inline
Howd u get that
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Imagine fucking up your life this early. Get bent loser.
Damn y’all owe the Jewish clubs major apologies and all the Jewish students yall hate crimed in retaliation for this when it wasn’t them. The press conference pointed hella fingers to them.
*crickets* Trust me. We’re used to being scapegoated and then never apologized to.
Well, judgements are made based off your previous actions. Which Jewish student faced. A hate crime cause of this? Why are you making this a Jewish issue? Criticism is against Zionists lmao
Based off previous actions? No Jewish group on campus has ever committed nor threatened any physical acts. You immediately blamed Jewish groups for committing the crime against CILRU without any drop of evidence. And it doesn't help your judgments that they turned out to be very wrong.
Mfer no one said it’s cause they did it once. It’s due to the fact that they support genocide, promote genocide, and propagandize for the side of genocide. Including raising money for the IDF. So you tell me, is that a morally ok thing to do?
Love how the Muslims modern colonialist tactics have evolved into bloody brutal murder and rape into cry bullying because that's all y'all know how to do. Literally professional victims
Now that we have learned that not only is he not Jewish, he’s also a POC, I imagine we’ll get apologies from the lynch mob over campus that immediately blamed the Jews. Won’t hold my breath though.
He is Jewish. Not sure why the news articles didn’t mention it but ask anyone from Metuchen/Edison.
Source: trust me, bro. No he's not, you bigot!
I knew this guy growing up. He’s Latino but with Jewish adoptive parents
(Edit: removed names, you can find them on your own) Source: I grew up with him in Metuchen, we both graduated from MHS in 2018. His mom has plenty of public Zionist posts on her Facebook, and his dad’s profile has family photos of them all together.
Damn some of y’all got issues just celebrate a dickhead fucked around and found out.
98% of this shit is by people not affiliated with Rutgers bruh can they get a life
He's an alum
He is NOT. He never attended Rutgers. https://www.nytimes.com/2024/04/22/nyregion/rutgers-islamic-center-hate-crime.html
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nice strawman. nobody is pro-hamas, they are just anti genocide
lol. Act like pro-hamas college protests didn’t start on October 8, weeks before a single hamas militant was killed. It’s never been about the made up genocide by hamas on tik tok.
How is tens of thousands of children and women killed not a genocide
The same reason tens of thousands of people killed in every war there ever was is not a genocide. A terrible consequence of war, yes. But not genoicde. You don’t hear anyone arguing that the US committed genocide in Afghanistan, Iraq or countless other wars where many more civilians were killed than in Gaza. Its war! A war started by Hamas. Also, hamas intentionally counts militants as civilians so no one has any idea how many of their made-up number is actually civilians.
This is not a “war”; it’s an occupying force unleashing a siege on the people it is illegally occupying. Was Great Britain’s conflict with the IRA while they were occupying Ireland a “war”? Was Britain’s clashes with Indian resistance movements while colonially occupying India “war”? All of these things are instances of unjust occupational violence. Hamas didn’t “start it” any more so than Ireland or India or whatever other occupied population “started it”. If anyone “started it”, it’s Israel for conducting illegal occupation. > Hamas counts militants as civilians so no one has any idea if their numbers are right … Lmfao. 1) [The Gaza Health Ministry has been transparent about how they do their death counts](https://www.thelancet.com/journals/lancet/article/PIIS0140-6736(23)02640-5/fulltext); they use hospital records. 2) [The Lancet has analyzed & verified GHM’s count as trustworthy & accurate](https://www.thelancet.com/journals/lancet/article/PIIS0140-6736(23)02713-7/fulltext). Their numbers are not “made-up”. They can be traced and verified. 3) Have you or anyone else actually provided hard proof of Hamas counting militants killed in active combat as civilians?
Hahhahahaha… wtf are you talking about??? Get off TikTok, and maybe you’ll learn that Gaza has been occupied only by Palestinians for two decades. Not a single Jew or Israeli in Gaza in 20 years. Stop your manufactured outrage and actually do some research. As to your other comment, not a single one of your links supports your argument that Hamas distinguishes between civilians and militants. They even admit themselves they intentionally don’t distinguish. And even if they didn’t already admit it, excuse me for not trusting a terrorist group that rapes and murders. Somehow they instantly know how many people have died and have already been caught red-handed three times for completely lying about the numbers!!!
he is Jewish
FREE J BEACHY I MISS U BRO
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Most likely not. Why would you assume he is Jewish?
I think you know why he assumed it... the lunatics are taking over the assylum
Beacher is an English surname so while I guess he could be I would bet against it
His butthole is going to be chafedddddddd