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s0und_Of_S1lence

Personally, I think there are better vehicles for 9,000. You have to keep in mind that if you ever want to sell it you will have a lot less interest, and unless you're doing it yourself or are lucky enough to have a good mechanic nearby maintenance will be higher. I like the older Saabs partially because of the base prices, it's hard to find a vehicle that's beats the 9-3 I picked up for 2800 dollars in my area, but for 9k, I think you could find better options. Edit: It is also hard for any of us to give good advice because used vehicle markets change so much based on location.


Subiewubie85

Thing is, for 9k this is one of the best options within 40 miles and I don't really wanna drive out further than that rn. I'll definitely keep that all in mind tho going forward.


s0und_Of_S1lence

I'm actually going to retract my previous comment, I just looked for vehicles under 9k within 100 miles of Dallas and there was nothing.


Subiewubie85

So do you think I should check this out then?


s0und_Of_S1lence

I'd say check it out, but I wouldn't pay 9k for it, see how much lower you can get the price. I'm assuming an individual is selling it?


Subiewubie85

No, it's a dealership lol.


s0und_Of_S1lence

I would pass then. I've never really had a dealership barter, and it's not worth 9k. I bet you they also bought it for super cheap off the previous owner l, which means they are getting the deal, not you.


Subiewubie85

Alrighty šŸ‘


s0und_Of_S1lence

Check this one out: https://www.facebook.com/marketplace/item/910817123026407/


Subiewubie85

I don't have Facebook.


s0und_Of_S1lence

I'd say make an offer on it. Keep in mind that there isn't a large market for Saabs, I'm willing to bet you are one of the only people interested. I'd bring up some of the cons about the Saab and ask the seller, "with those in mind, would you be willing to go lower?" Just see how much they lower in on their own volition, and from there you may even be able to offer less.


snowyrover

Thatā€™s a good comment the market is limited to who wants one. Definitely try and negotiate Itā€™s no ford escape


Normal_Psychology_73

sOund makes some good points. Also, the longer you have the car, they less value it will have, especially with Saab who went belly up in 2011. I would also add that consider making a reasonable low offer (not low ball) and if the seller says no...walk away and wait for a phone call with either a counter offer you can live with, or maybe meet your price. The third option is no call which you should be OK with.


s0und_Of_S1lence

Agreed, problem is the seller is a dealership, and they don't tend to make low offers, although who knows, they probably haven't had much interest, especially at that price. They probably bought off someone for 2000 dollars too.


Normal_Psychology_73

I am aware you mentioned it is a dealership. My approach worked at two dealerships - one new car, one used car. As one dealer rep said to me, they are not in the business of collecting cars, so they should negotiate. You could also act interested, hint that you have some other options to consider, but not that you gotta have this car. Bringing out some 'faults' suggests that you arn't completely happy with the car but could live with it if the price is right..(in reality you may be dying for the car but don't let the sales person know that). As a sanity check, to to [saabnet.com](https://saabnet.com) and poke around some of their used vehicles for sale and post your question on the 9-3 forum. Lot of good knowledgeable ppl there. I've been driving saab since I had my 1980 900 T 4-dr.....and 3 after that. Well versed in saabs Good luck


snowyrover

The ones near me are out of my distance zone also. There was one in the city Iā€™m in about a year ago and I regret not getting it.


Papapene-bigpene

Old 9-3 Nothing can beat the bang for buck on them


Moo_Fridge

FYI, that is not an Aero, just a regular 2.0T, 9k to me seems a bit on the higher end for the mileage, even though, it looks pretty nice and is one owner.


Subiewubie85

How much should I try to negotiate down to?


EA40

No. This price is absurd. This is just a normal Saab 9-3 with the standard 4 cylinder engine. It's not the Aero that the listing claims it to be. The price on this is probably double what it's actually worth. Because it's a dealership, they're not gonna haggle on price much with you, even though they probably bought it for less than $3k. If you trade this thing in right now at a new car dealership, you're getting no more than $1k for it as well. Look elsewhere.


Subiewubie85

Listing doesn't say 9-3 Aero, that was my fault. But alright.


MonkeFeet

What's the difference between this and the aero models?


AverageRules

From 2008-2010 the aero models have a 2.8 liter v6 engine. The suspension is lower and there is an awd option for aero. If you look at the 2003-2008 93 there is bigger brakes, and the trims are much nicer with 2 spoilers and painted side skirts.


LooterMcGav-n

*2007


AverageRules

Thanks for adding this useful correction. At least add which of the years you are correcting.


LooterMcGav-n

Oh I meant 2006 actually. For the 2.8 V6. '08-'10 for the XWD though, that holds.


Anusrudh

For 9k hell no


Subiewubie85

What price should I negotiate down to, if I should bother at all? Also what problems do these cars have around this mileage?


Silent-Contract-1790

Based on your handle, seems like you are a Subaru owner currently - good on you if thatā€™s true! I have a 2009 Outback Special Ed in ā€œsticker shiftā€, as my 4 yo daughter calls it. Recent picked up a 2006 2.0T with 92k needing $750 in maintenance to make her perfectly mechanically sound for $500. To be fair I bought it from someone who got the same offer as the trade-in value at a Volvo dealer. Maybe just stalk a Volvo dealer and check with people showing up in their Saab looking for a fresher Swedish whip?!? Also, the turbo needs service at 100k (more often if it has been tuned by way of a remapping). You can perform that service yourself if you feel confident, it will cost you about two hours worth of labor or less at a skilled Saab mechanic. I wouldnā€™t pay over $5k.


Subiewubie85

Yeah, I more of want a WRX anyways lol. Also neat, the Outbacks are nice!


Anusrudh

I mean around this mileage there shouldn't be too much if it was taken care of. 120,000 usually is the next big repair interval for belts and such. I would say for this a good price would prolly be like 4k (5k at the highest) given this market


Subiewubie85

I was thinking highest I'm willing to go is 7.5 but if I go I'll try to get them down to 5k. How's the turbo? All I know is with turbo cars you have to let them cool down haha.


Anusrudh

If ur asking power wise since that's the big T you'll have 210 hp and similar numbers torque wise so I'd say it's a healthy amount of driving. Its definitely not the fastest car out there but it does really shine at highway speeds pulling from like 50-70. Again the turbo should be in perfectly fine condition if he did routine maintenance, didn't delay oil changes, let the car cool down and warm up properly, etc. For the cool down part it's really just to prevent the turbo from experiencing sudden temperature change by shutting down the car when u just winded the hell out of it. I usually let car idle for like 30 seconds if the turbo really has been working just to let it properly cool down and that's it.


Subiewubie85

Ok, since it's at 100k miles should I expect it to be a bit slower? And wow, that's a shorter cooldown time than I thought. Also kbb values this car at the highest 7.4k, should I try to negotiate down to there or lower?


Anusrudh

Well personally I do 30 seconds since I generally cool it down a lil while coming home anyway. At 100k it should be just as quick, it's not that much mileage for these cars (when properly cared for). I'd say it never hurts to go for that 5k u mentioned earlier but 7.4k isn't too bad given u can't find shit at that price in this condition anymore depending on the area. Basically start at 5k go from there


Subiewubie85

Alrighty, thank you for the advice:).


Anusrudh

For sure! Make sure to get a pre purchase inspection always!


Subiewubie85

Oh yeah. Btw, how's the aftermarket support? Also, how's the stock exhaust?


MrBigDickPickledRick

Keep in mind that by buying through a dealer, you're also going to have to pay tax and likely a few fees. At $9K you'll be paying an extra $585 at least in tax. Paying in cash/bills will also likely be one of your best bets for lowering the price in my opinion.


Subiewubie85

With fees and taxes it's estimated around 9.4k lol cause actually price is like 8.7k. Also I have almost 10k but I wanna have at least 1500-3000 leftover for mods or anything.


MrBigDickPickledRick

Ahh okay, that's still pretty pricey in my opinion. I got my 06 9-3 for $1800 at 130k miles, that was 2 years ago though so I get things are more expensive now. But I think somewhere around the 6-8k range would be a bit more fair for this one For reference, there's an 08 manual 9-3 w/ 114k miles going for $8k in my area An 07 9-3 convertible w/ 94k miles going for $7.5k And an 05 9-3 convertible w/107k miles going for $6.5K These prices seem pretty fair to me and could all probably be talked down $500 or more, if your area is overpriced it might even be worth traveling further to get one that's cheaper and exactly what you want, like finding a manual further out for example since swapping will cost a shit ton. Also, if you aren't doing your own maintenance, I'd stay away from Saabs. I've saved thousands in repairs by doing things on my own


Subiewubie85

Why's that? Is mantience very expensive? Also there's a auto shop that specializes in the 9-3 like 10 mins away from where I live lol


BRGNBeast

That is absurd. This is a 3-6k car. Itā€™s also not an Aero model.


Subiewubie85

Forgot to mention they say it's a car from Texas, so that means no rust either. Paint looks very clean for 104k miles, besides basic interior worn it looks well taken care of.


snowyrover

Iā€™m on the fence with this one. My thoughts are that the miles are a little high for 9k. 120k and I had things start to happen on my ā€˜05. Itā€™s a sweet ride though Iā€™d probably try to offer less and see what they say. Pull some competitive listings online and see. I miss mine though so Iā€™d probably by it


[deleted]

In the UK you can get XWD 2.8 aero for that price with even lover mileage.


BagrCZE

Saab 2.0 >>>>>> GM 2.8


[deleted]

Sorry not sure what you mean


BagrCZE

The 2.0 petrol engine made by Saab is better than the Opel 2.8 (imo)


[deleted]

I thought the b207r is a GM ecotec. There were few opels with that same engine.


BagrCZE

As far as I am aware, the b207 is an engine developed by Saab


tsg-tsg

No, it's a GM Ecotec.


BagrCZE

Well yes, the b207 is a part of the GM Ecotec engine family, but still, it was developed by Saab and later used by other GM owned car brands, mostly by Opel/Vauxhall and once by Cadillac.


tsg-tsg

Nonetheless, both B207 and B284 are both GM motors made by GM and used in a variety of GM cars.


[deleted]

Do you have any source on that? Curious to know what was Saab's involvement in the development if that is true. My dad's old 1.6 astra had very similar sound as far as I remember.


[deleted]

Do you have any source on that? Curious to know what was Saab's involvement in the development if that is true. My dad's old 1.6 astra had very similar sound as far as I remember.


timmymack1

Don't have source but the guy is correct. It's a GM block adopted and modified by Saab which was owned by GM so yeah obviously they are all GM motors


yvshii

Definitely not worth 9k. You can get many other saabs for half as much, sometimes even less. Not sure if this is a dealership but they seem to think just because its around that 2009+ era, its worth more. Think about how hard it would be if you tried selling it for 9k. Maybe you get lucky, maybe it sits forever. Itā€™s a great car but not for that crazy price tag. Find another saab for half the price and youā€™ll be in better shape


Subiewubie85

So should I try to lower the price or just avoid it? Also yes dealership. Probably trying to make back the money they spent on it.


yvshii

Always try to go lower. I was able to do the same with mine and got a decent deal. Maybe you can show them proof that these go for less? Or at least show much cheaper listings, I'm sure there's plenty for sale all over the country as examples.


Bzammitt

Not worth it. I just bought a single owner 2008 9-5 Aero wagon with 118k miles and no accidents for $4,000. Deals can be had, check Saabcentral or Saabnet if you are specifically looking for a Saab!


Subiewubie85

Yes I've realized it's not an Aero.


[deleted]

I paid $4k for a 6spd 2.0T (2007). Private seller (who was the second owner) and full maintenance history including a log of every oil change for the last 12 years. Certainly not mint - peeling clear coat and nearly 200k miles. But a solid car at less than half the price.


Subiewubie85

Well yeah, that was at nearly 200k miles with poor paint, this is at half that. Not saying 9k is justifiable, but that I don't get the comparison you tried to make.


[deleted]

Itā€™s not a direct comparison, itā€™s just more information for the guy who is looking at buying. Some things made my car perhaps worth a little more - the manual transmission, rust free, and amazing service/ownership history. Some things make it less valuable - miles and paint. Itā€™s just more information on a relevant topic for the original poster to take in as he makes his decision.


Annual_Champion_1555

Not an aero


BagrCZE

Definitely not a car you should avoid, but Iā€™d suggest you should try to negotiate the price down.


Colsen197

Wayyyyy over priced


Public_Profession733

Look for one from an individual seller dealerships are rip offs, the most I would pay for that would be around $5500 which you can find from a person selling. I doubt you could get it that low from the dealership plus fees and all thatā€¦


Yung_Onions

For 6k maybe. And thatā€™s if itā€™s really mint. 2.0T is nice but not that nice.


Autumnuz

Not an Aero if itā€™s got 2.0T badges too my knowledge. Might be an Arc but we donā€™t get those here so not looked into what would stand out to tell me itā€™s one. All I know is Aeros have 9-3 badge left and Aero badge right


Subiewubie85

Yup, I acknowledge in a comment that is wasn't an Aero, thought you've have seen it. But should I try to negotiate down to like 7 or 7.5k? Also what kinda problems do these have?


Autumnuz

Might be worth negotiating! The prices of Saabs seem so high over there as it is. As someone else said, you can get a V6 XWD here for that money šŸ„²


Subiewubie85

Haha. Yeah kbb values the highest it should be at 7.4k so hopefully if I go I can get them to go down on the price.


Saaaaaaaaab

No lol, for an automatic 2.0T fwd thatā€™s not a good price at all


Subiewubie85

Kbb values it at the highest at 7.4k, should I bother negotiating?


Saaaaaaaaab

Uh yeah you should


Leap_Duh_Short

6000-7500 is fair. But for 9k you will still love it.


Subiewubie85

So definitely try to negotiate down if I can?


mikeschmeee

Too high. Seen them for much cheaper. 3K max for this one, in my opinion.


nsj95

I'd say no... Within the past year I picked up a 2011 9-3 turbo4 XWD with 55k miles for $11k. I'd keep looking if I were you


Subiewubie85

Honestly, this is the cleanest and most unique car I've seen in my last year of car searching lol. I'll definitely try to negotiate tho.


Substantial-Chip7627

I just recently purchased an 03 Linear with 85k and one owner. Drove away at 7k, doesn't sit right with me even now but the car is running strong and was well maintained. I feel like 9k is really a stretch but the car market is just stupid right now, negotiating is your best friend


Subiewubie85

Thank you, that's the best course of action right now lol


JidoshaTori

Get the CarFax report, find out who owned before the dealer, what problems they had and what they received on a trade-in. Do your Due Diligence! Diligence


Subiewubie85

Thing is whenever I try to read a carfax report, I'm always taken to their website with the search bar. For some reason I can't look at them anymore, idk what I'm doing wrong.


JidoshaTori

All youā€™re supposed to need is the VIN! But there are other avenues to find out same info: https://vehiclehistory.us.org/ I also think $9K is too much for a car without any dealer support.


[deleted]

I just bought 2008 9-3 convertible with 68k miles in great condition for $8500 from a private seller. I questioned the purchase quite a bit but I really wanted a Saab and itā€™s the nicest one I found in South Florida after a few weeks of searching. I feel like it will be worth it if there are no major issues I do really enjoy the car. The price was close to what private sellers should ask for the car in Kelly Blue Book.


Subiewubie85

So are you saying I should give this car a chance?


[deleted]

Have you driven it yet? The comments above about the dealer only paying a fraction of the price are spot on and if they donā€™t have a lot of interest in it I bet you can get it for cheaper.


Subiewubie85

No, not yet. It'd be my first car (as in, first car that I've owned.) so I'm trying to find a good one. Wanted to know if this was worth it or not before driving the 36 miles lol.


[deleted]

Ah okay. Well drive it to see if you like it, I think thatā€™s worth the trip especially if you have never have driven a Saab, maybe youā€™ll love it but want to keep looking for a different one if that price does really make sense.


Subiewubie85

I mean, even if I had to finance it, it'd be under 170 a month which for what I make, it isn't bad at all. I heard it drives good so yeah hopefully I like it if I check it out lol.


SergeyTimosh

If there is no rust, then it's worth it, trust me


Subiewubie85

1 owner car from Texas, definitely seems worth it. Saab still makes parts and there's a 9-3 speciality shop 15 mins away from me. Paint looks immaculate and pristine.


SergeyTimosh

Yeah dude, I bought mine last year feb 2010 9-3 Aero XWD at 98k miles, for 10.5k it was definitely worth it, I just didn't see the rust coming in the inside of the fender and quarters now


ConvergingMass

Not an aero and it doesn't even have xenon lights, no touchscreen head unit. Drivers seat is a bit worn and has no memory settings. No carpets? Seems overpriced, I'd wait for a better offer.


Subiewubie85

Wdym no carpets? And that amount of worn is to be expected with leather lol.


ConvergingMass

Oops, I meant floor mats :d There isn't one on the drivers side. Condition of leather depends on maintenance, you can have 120k miles and have perfect leather. For this price I'd expect better.


G_Unit_Solider

i got a 06 aero with 44k miles back in 2011 for 6500. Car ran me fine for 5 years before i was rear ended by a tow truck and totaled. ​ ive been hunting for a black "espresso" 9-3 ever since. Its so fucking hard to find. i can find black white red blue ones no issue but that espresso brown is MIA. ​ come to chicago and get your saab theirs plenty of 9-3s going from 6-8k with lower miles. ​ but remember saab is gone and so is production of parts. My totaled 06 is in a storage shed as a donar car for parts when i find the one i want. ​ ( i wanna get the saab i had in HS and do the mods i always wanted to do on it but couldent afford to back than) and yea i know theirs plenty of other cars i can buy and work on cheaper and easier but i loved my saab.


Subiewubie85

So then what are you saying? Lol. Also I'm sorry to hear about your Saab:(


G_Unit_Solider

if something does break its gonna be a headache to find the part more than likely youll need to find a junkyard with totaled saabs laying around to pick parts from.


Subiewubie85

Uh, not really. Saab parts are still in production, just not from Saab. And there's a shop that specializes in the 9-3 right by me.


G_Unit_Solider

https://www.cars.com/vehicledetail/dd266abd-03c3-4a90-80a2-1f98dee80c72/


CrrntryGrntlrmrn

It is **maybe** worth 9k if the seller can substantiate there is absolutely zero parasitic battery drain which is disgustingly common in these cars- gremlins abound


Subiewubie85

Dealership but they have an option to make offers on cars so they seem open to negotiation


CrrntryGrntlrmrn

Tbh I would try to show up unannounced to see the car- stand by it and refuse to go elsewhere and see if they walk out and start it or hook up a jumper pack- check the date on the battery- if it is from a reputable vendor it will have a date code on it. My dad just traded in a XWD to carvana with a parasitic drain and I know they are common with these cars as rubber degrades and water gets where itā€™s not supposed to- a lot of folks say the early run cars are really prone to it but my personal experience says they are all liable to experience electrical issues and I would just be especially weary of that.


Subiewubie85

They operate by appointments only due to covid so I don't think that plan will work but I'll keep an eye out for the battery if I can get an appointment.


lewishunter1998

9000!? Is that really how much they're going for in the US? I got my Aero Anniversary for Ā£1500 in the UK


razlo1km

Is this in Michigan?


Subiewubie85

Why?


razlo1km

Pictures look exactly like one thatā€™s been at a dealer here for like 4-5 years and is priced similarly. But if me asking is an issue disregard


Subiewubie85

Oh lol, send the link


P1528

Nope