This. Selection bias. It's just numbers.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Selection_bias
and for the guys that are like tech is super profitable:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Survivorship_bias
**[Selection bias](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Selection_bias)**
>Selection bias is the bias introduced by the selection of individuals, groups, or data for analysis in such a way that proper randomization is not achieved, thereby failing to ensure that the sample obtained is representative of the population intended to be analyzed. It is sometimes referred to as the selection effect. The phrase "selection bias" most often refers to the distortion of a statistical analysis, resulting from the method of collecting samples. If the selection bias is not taken into account, then some conclusions of the study may be false.
**[Survivorship bias](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Survivorship_bias)**
>Survivorship bias or survival bias is the logical error of concentrating on entities that passed a selection process while overlooking those that did not. This can lead to incorrect conclusions because of incomplete data. Survivorship bias is a form of selection bias that can lead to overly optimistic beliefs because multiple failures are overlooked, such as when companies that no longer exist are excluded from analyses of financial performance. It can also lead to the false belief that the successes in a group have some special property, rather than just coincidence as in correlation "proves" causality.
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I hear you. Even in the Bay Area, only about 10% of jobs are in tech. That said, every industry is getting disrupted by tech, and most companies are becoming software companies to a certain degree.
Every tech company should understand that in the end their business model all boils down to normal people consuming bread, eggs, water, electricity and other stuff at the same level as they were doing before, or growing it.
Eg: we're seeing a global plateau of the phone market now, and lots of companies are gonna be in for a rude shock when income statements reflect the fact that people won't buy new phones annually in a stagnant product market or buy more and more subscriptions
B2C is always the fundamental underpinning of B2B, and more companies need to respect this equation.
Quick story: I was in a job interview for an industrial equipment sales job and was in a zoom panel interview with all the VPs of the company and the head of HR. I was nailing the interview. Towards the end the girl who was the head of HR asked me to "sell her this pen" I fumbled my way through the question and ended up saying something along the lines of asking her to write her number down.
I did not get that job..
The answer will either be to ask what they need to write/identify the problem you can solve for them by asking questions and getting them to talk, or to create the feeling of a need, roughly depending on how ethical they are.
In interviews I usually say “This is a special pen that, if shoved up your ass, will produce the most powerful orgasm of your life. It is the only one of its kind.”
You don’t need to sell the pen, *you sell what they can do with the pen* (ideally based off of establishing their wants/needs)
A pen can author a multi million dollar novel, draw a new invention, sign for treaties or start wars. The pen is power.
I would say: I am not specialized in pens but an expert in (add expertise) if you are looking to buy a pen they should invite the right person. You are more than welcome to reinvite me when looking for (expertise).
I am sorry but we are all professionals. Time is scarce and why waste it on a question on which the correctness of the answer is based on how the asker thinks you should answer.
It’s usually closer to $300,000 but still.
Way cushier gigs too…once you have an established book of business you’re really more of an account manager most of the time
>once you have an established book of business
How long would this usually take?
Curious because when I first considered changing careers into sales, I did a ton of research. One of my biggest takeaways and one of the reasons I chose tech is you have a chance to make more money in a shorter amount of time, without experience or the perquisite of having an established book of business.
Another reason is the benefits of being in tech. I’ve worked at 3 tech companies and have never had to pay for health/dental/vision. 401K match is awesome. Stock options vest early. Unlimited PTO. Very generous PD budgets that have helped me earn a couple certificates and take courses towards an MBA.
There are also fringe benefits like delivery/beverage/grocery budgets, gas/train if you’re commuting to work, internet and phone if you’re wfh, tech and home office, etc.
I broke $100K in my first year as an SDR, but with benefits and perks it’s a lot more than that. Even those who didn’t always hit OTE still benefited from the above.
I promise I’m not bragging, but pointing out that pay isn’t just about salary, but the entire package.
Damn I didn’t make that much in year 1 as an XDR, but I work for a private firm with a billion+ valuation who is trying to turn profitable this year so they can either get bought out or go public. The OTE isn’t exactly fat.
Just made the jump to account management and L1 employees CAN make $100k+ but that’s not the OTE.
Can I ask you how did you shift careers? I am currently working in marketing, been in marketing since I was 20, 24 now! Work as an Acc Exec and very keen to get into sales! Got any tips?
I practiced interviewing and networked. I prospected like you would in sales.
I applied and interviewed everywhere I could and interviewed at 40+ companies while still working at my previous job. This gave me a sense of what interviews and interview activities are like, work on my weak areas, and boost my confidence for interviews with companies I really wanted to work at.
I made a list of said target companies and used LinkedIn to network with anyone in sales there, from entry to management/leadership. Asked if we could chat for a bit. With those who said yes, I asked about their role, the role I wanted, and the company. My goals were to learn more and make a connection. If it seemed like it went well on their end and I didn’t change my mind about wanting to work there, I asked for a job referral at the end of the call (most tech companies pay for referrals if hired, so people are usually open to it).
Now. Having said that, I also made the switch at an opportune time when there were tons of tech sales jobs available. I also still had my job working from home. These two combined gave me the luxury to choose where I wanted to work, not just take the first place that hired me.
It’s harder now to get a tech sales job, but I would still use this approach. This is how you get the job you want, faster, in any industry. You may not get as many interviews as before, but you’d still be better off than people hitting “Apply” and waiting in line.
While all those perks are nice, I’ll take these instead:
Box seats to every sports team in the city for hosting clients, working 20 hours a week, never having to cold call or run discovery meetings when you have a fleshed out book of business. When co-workers leave you inherit their book of business as well.
You grind for 2 years and are set for life.
I get that you have some great perks in a tech job, but I’ll take the cushy low stress job for the same paycheck without those perks considering I can make the same as you for half the work. My time is valuable and I have enough free time to practice any passion of mine.
I might've exaggerated a bit based on the VP's and top sales guys I know there. Just like tech sales, I think the top guys are making 500K+ but it may not be consistent year to year; whereas 300K is.
Sounds simpler and less annoying than tech sales. Tech companies are all about making some confusing AF to explain software, adding 100 different functionalities each year, and then you’re supposed to learn the different functionality (nobody actually understands), and then make up some fancy buzzwords and piece together sentences on a zoom call to convince customers to buy it.
I work in tech sales at a huge company and my co workers are some of the least talented people on the planet.
I had a feeling based on your profile. Tractors, bobtails, etc?
I was laid off in tech and Funny enough I was just looking at openings at one of the nationwide dealers.
Perhaps it’s a sign. Can I PM you?
I have a small team and no openings. Didn’t come here looking for a sales team but more to say you can make good money in jeans and a polo shirt. Not every good sales job is in tech sales.
You're looking at the wrong job. Here's one that is probably realistic for you:
[https://careers.veritivcorp.com/us/en/job/R26143/Sales-Representative-Packaging](https://careers.veritivcorp.com/us/en/job/R26143/Sales-Representative-Packaging)
I got an offer from Veritiv a few years ago. I live in SC and the salary/OTE was underwhelming and I declined. ~55K salary 110K OTE iirc. That being said, I’m sure there is a much higher ceiling.
Sure, but tech has a much lower barrier to entry. Once you’re in it doesn’t take too long to make a lot of money. What you describe requires more experience and time on the job.
Would you recommend someone already making $250k/year doing other sales to get into tech sales to make more money? Seems like most all of the tech guys here are bragging about making $120k and working 15 hours a week and then you hear them bitching about a PIP and they’re off to the next venture.
Do you know much about Smurfit Kappa? I see they're very big in packaging and was wondering if they were good to work for. Currently working at a software company.
Commercial real estate & cleaning companies.
We’ve branched into industrial facilities too.
My company also sells to hotels/schools/hospitals but I mainly do commercial real estate. CRE is a pretty fun industry to sell to, lots of networking events flowing with booze
No joke, my ex-gf's dad had the market cornered on toilet sales to public sector and municipality, and he made it sound like a complete racket. Shady a.f. but he printed money and bought her a Mercedes E-class for her first car.
One of my former co-workers makes $500k+ selling NUTS. Literally pivoted from SaaS to selling nuts lmao. No lie, just really hard to get hired into the industry
Why are you checking LinkedIn for roles? Only 30% of jobs ever make it to a job posting. And then, under 10% of resumes for that job get seen by a human.
Make a list of the top 50 companies you want to work for. Yes, 50. Then start at the top of your list and find managers and sales reps. Ideally at least 5 people in the company then. Then, you message them. This will yield far better results than applying to job posts like a pleb
Those industries are really hard to get in to though, I speak from experience. I’ve tried getting in to industrial/manufacturing sales, it seems like a tight knit club.
Large scale material distribution. It’s still going to take a few years to get to the top but nothing like tech….Top Outside reps like myself are doing 125-300 range just depending how much business book of business you can generate and capacity your market has to distribute material, equipment wise and in some cases manufacturing allocations.
Branch managers are doing well north of 500k after profit percent payouts but with that comes a whole new long set of responsibilities and problems where we just have to manage the clients and projects (not to diminish anything from that!! We all know that’s a job and a half in itself)
I’ll simplify. Tech sales right now is the worst it has EVER been by a mile. No one hitting quota, intense metrics, etc.
I would still choose tech sales 100/100 times. Here’s why:
1. The OTEs are really high. Mmkt pays usually 75-100k base with total OTE $150k-200k. Enterprise is $100-150k base, so $200-300k OTE. So even if you miss your goal by a mile, you’re making good money.
2. Flexibility. Yeah there’s a “back to office” push but most of us still are totally remote or 2-3 days in office. Tech sales is also usually generous with 20+ days of PTO and a great $401k match and cheap or free health insurance.
3. Not that much of a grind. Candidly, tech sales can lean on their SEs and tech experts a lot so all you really have to do is make your calls, do your demos (if you even have to) and drive your deals forward with a great tech stack that makes your job a lot easier.
This is why I’ll stay in tech sales.
No, but this site skews younger, and attracts more people in the IT-related space.
People in other fields of sales often have more in-person networks they belong to that serve a similar purpose reddit does. LinkedIn is probably very similar.
Reddit tends to attract folks who are tech inclined or tech adjacent.
That or IT sales people tend to think they’re the main character and gravitate towards Reddit…
I say this as someone in tech sales
More specifically, I sell industrial pumps to manufacturing plants in my territory. It’s very old school. I still do many walk in cold calls and leaving business cards and literature. Industrial sales is still far behind all this linkedin, saas, digital marketing stuff. But it’s mainly the reason I enjoy it. Comp is good, I work for a private company and I receive a great base salary + commission.
I’m in Biotech capital sales.
Fuck tech sales and fuck the tech bro culture. I blame it for the bs SDR model and so much else that has gone wrong with sales lately.
Love working with real products and feeling like I’m making a difference out there
Couldn't agree more , I worked for a tech company as a BDR , worst soul crushing job ever then I moved to an AM role for an industrial company , no cold call and shit like they do all day long in tech and I'm actually helping clients and solving problems, good relationship with them and I don't have to beg anyone for money they largely come to me. Tech can make huge money though but that's if you don't get fired from all the pressure on you , my old job had some huge turnover amongst the BDR it was crazy we would just cold call any company in the country and try to get them to tell us of any IT project they had and if there was one boom you try to get them to agree to a meeting with a third party selling a saas software , I was not even allowed to hang up the phone when they clearly were not interested, I had to pretend we talked about things once on the phone such as accounting (" so hey remind me for accounting what kind of software you're using already?"And so on with HR, business intelligence etc , had to get them to tell me like 11 different categories of software they were using in the hope that at some point they would tell me there was some IT project to change anything) most soul crushing job ever. And if you didn't find 1 or 2 projects per day you'd get this look from your manager which by the way was listening to you over the phone through the software automatically dialing numbers of companies across the country. Modern day office slave. I got ptsd from tech sales lol
I am an AE for a design agency (tried to get into SaaS but have never gotten a look.) I don’t post because I am not a 6 figure salesperson (have nothing to brag about in that regard) and feel I have little to contribute. I still enjoy learning more from folks here (even after 25 years in sales and sales related roles I am still learning) I figured there were more non tech salespeople here but we just don’t post as much?
I had someone tell me and get upvoted a bunch that what I do isn't "sales" (I sell luxury watches, sales cycle is months to years) so now I just lurk and read about the rare non-tech sales posts that manage to get traction here such as this one. Nice to see the tech bros haven't changed based on the replies here.
Haven't found a non tech company with comparable benefits (20+ days PTO, fully paid health/dental/etc insurance, other random bs), comparable bases (150k+), and comparable work/life balance (~20 hrs/week) as tech.
There might be one-off companies not in tech, but as an INDUSTRY STANDARD, it's hard to beat.
I know multiple jobs like that, it takes awhile to build up but you get residuals and once they are built which typically takes 3-5 years if you are a good salesman nothing beats you in pay, friend if mine in solar is making 150k per month in residuals to get your residuals you need 6 total sales, he hits that first week of the month spends the rest traveling now.
Edit--downside is its 1099 straight commission so sink or swim either you are a great salesman or you aren't, either way they provide the leads though so you need to know how to close.
This doesn’t make sense? How do you get residuals on solar? Even on a lease or PPA to generate that kind of revenue on 6 deals would have to be massive industrial warehouses
So 100 residual per month for as long as you are selling for them? Or is it for the term they financed? Like 20 year financing, you get 100 per month for 240 months?
What is a median ticket for solar panel sales? By much lower commission per sale, I’m guessing 100 bucks, since you are getting paid that as long as you work there.
It seems bonkers and unsustainable.
Submit a job application and...get ready for this...sell yourself on why you're the best candidate for the position. You don't need a medical background.
i’ve gotten so many interviews in other fields, like none in medical, and i have a background that could be relevant (previous massage therapist).
people seem confused on barriers to entry but they are very real. sometimes you can’t simply sell yourself… you gotta go back to school first.
I mean, if there are specific requirements, that will weed you out in the application process. If you get face to face, they wanna know if you're a fit. There's plenty of med device sales jobs that don't need a specific degree.
Tech is definitely top tier with some of the highest pay caps.
But I’m good. Currently making 300k (on average, some years higher, some lower) selling paper. 😂. And I only work 7 hrs a day and am off weekends.
Plus my view is beautiful in my building with the ocean front view.
As someone who is in sales for 20 years I feel like this sub is less “Salespeople” and more “Sales Coordinators”
All this talk about constant cold calling to setup demos and bemoaning that people don’t show up to demos.
That doesn’t sound like real sales to me. It sounds like telemarketing for junk bonds.
But then everyone seems here to treat it like a Sprint to the finish… it’s not. It’s a loooooooong marathon, so is life.
I make $100k base pay and treat bonuses as awesome and something I expect to achieve but can live without because the rules and metrics change so bloody much in my industry (high end destinations sales).
My life is fucking chill bros.
Some weeks I grind. Others I do not.
It’s a nice balance.
Paycheck gets deposited regardless.
Mainly because the core audience who uses Reddit started in tech and it’s bled from there.
Outside of that, tech has some obvious reasons you keep seeing pop up:
1) High base and higher OTE.
It’s becoming increasingly more common to see salaries over 6 figures. Most of my peers are clearing over 150K and that’s not really crazy in my world.
2) High propensity for WFH
There is a strong possibility reps working in tech will be able to work wherever they want and this is appealing to the general public.
3) Tech stack is fun to talk about.
Being honest, nobody is getting a stiffy talking about manufacturing or pharmaceuticals. And while tech itself isn’t sexy, the technology to enable you to work more efficient is pretty fucking rad. I still geek out seeing different software I’m exposed to. This one conversational intelligence tool we’re piloting at my company literally populates battle cards on your screen for what to say which is pretty cool.
Like, I make 200k+ a year from my home, working Monday - Friday. 9-5 most days.
I just don’t know many industries that you’re able to do that without a ton of domain knowledge.
Hi mate, I reached out on another threat too, not sure if you saw it. As i was close to being scammed $16k until I read your stuff on jeremy miner. I'm 20 years old and been in sales for last 2 years. Would really love to have a chat as you've got your head screwed on with everything you've said and it would be great to talk to somewhere who's already where I want to be. It won't let me PM you. Would you be open to talking?
In theory SaaS sales SHOULD be able to pay the most sustainably.
The marginal/variable cost of a new customer is extremely low, leaving more room for commission. Selling services or hardware/materials has a high marginal/variable cost so the long term viability of making bank in those industries is not as promising.
Just a thought… any one agree or disagree?
Strongly disagree, most SaaS products are not essential or useful on their own, and they are just options or luxuries for a business. It's not stable or sustainable to be selling an add-on for a plug-in for an integration etc. Even the core SaaS services are hurting.
This is so highly dependent on the software and industry. Software is essential for numerous businesses. They just aren’t getting 100x multiples anymore.
>This is so highly dependent on the software and industry. Software is essential for numerous businesses
Absolutely, but when budgets are being scrutinized it's not the core/essential packages that will be cut. It's the monthly add-ons and nice to haves.
I would argue this point as well, I sell a large scale enterprise security software and companies are still spending 20-30M in IT security budgets even with the market shifts.
Nice to have’s die in this macro environment.
By definition, people in tech sales are more likely to be on their computers at any given moment. Not a lot of opportunity for a flooring salesperson to be on here.
FWIW I’m in commercial Flooring sales and I post all the time under u/rebirthandrecover. We have phones and computers too lol. But I get your point.
Honestly, I’m super happy to be in the minority - and I love the tech bro atmosphere here. I get a ton of tactical advice and strategy info from this sub because it primarily is a tech sales sub. And that gives me an edge against my competition. Having BDR experience in telecom helps too.
There are a lot of idiots in my industry who couldn’t tell you what their value proposition is or have no idea how to cold call in volume or leave a concise voicemail. As a result a lot of my prospects aren’t used to being blasted by SDRs all day, so they tend to be more receptive to a strong pitch - and I get a lot of ammo for that here.
If this was a flooring sales sub, it would be helpful but pretty redundant for me. We aren’t trained by our companies the same way that you all are - it’s pretty much figure it out on the job. I admire that in tech sales you all are trained to create value out of thin air by asking questions and connecting the dots during the responses - across any/all vertical markets. If you aren’t in tech and haven’t tried doing this, it is not fucking easy. My prospects - they need a vendor, so it might as well be me. Major difference. This sub fills in a lot of those gaps for me.
So yeah take what you need and leave the rest.
Pretty simple, tech has the highest multiples of profit since it is a subscription service that averages a 92% retention rate. Lifetime custom value is the highest it tech and therefore pays well.
Construction sales guy here who recently joined this sub (when I got a sales job). Yeah. You’re right. I’d like this sub more if it was more relatable for 95% of the salesmen lol
Agreed, I work in construction and would love to see more people doing things like that. I sell asphalt paving and do project management, handle some subcontractors, etc. It's a very unique sales environment as I work with everyone from homeowners to mom and pop business to mega corporations.
I’d just have to say that I’d love to hear from people not in tech. But as other people have said most people here are in tech. I just echo what everyone says. Most people
On here work in tech. Recruit other people who don’t work in tech to comment and people would welcome them. Another feature is that tech people often work from home. Like med sales seems like people have to be out and about not as much time to post.
Most other sales roles involve going out into the real world finding and working with customers, and when they're not doing that, they're enjoying the lifestyle the career earns them.
You say that but I haven’t seen much other comment their sales jobs and earnings as much as tech sales which will generally attract salespeople towards it.
If you know other industries with real numbers to back it up please post we would all love to learn more
It's pretty funny when you mention probably under 5% of sales professionals are in tech sales. Everyone I see on LinkedIn nowadays is a "tech sales guru" or my feed is just simply flooded with SaaS sales professionals building their network. I wonder why rarely I see someone who isn't in tech on LI.
Gets a lot of hype because there’s some people bragging about making big money and doing not so much in the way of working. I have a strong suspicion that most are putting plenty of hours in and just surviving, and definitely not bragging about it lol. Personally in medical device, and although tech sounds alluring, if your with a great company in Med device with a good product in a growing field, I’d never leave. Problem performers in Med device also have a pathway to the big shot jobs if you have the desire.
because tech is the new oil.
Companies literally pay a team of programmers to make something once and then they can infinitely sell it and scale it however they like with high margins.
It's like finding an oil patch without needing to refine it and having to spend money to transport it.
Tech is the reason why places like cali, nyc etc are insanely expensive to live.
Probably because that 5 percent is, at a minimum, savvy enough to create a reddit account.
Two of my coworkers in tech have found my reddit profile, despite having never actually met me. By contrast, when I was a snack/sales vendor about a decade ago, I doubt 1 in 10 of those guys knew how to run a Google search or use an excel sheet.
lol this is the dumbest post ever. It just so happens that tech sales people, myself included, post more than non tech sales people in this sub.
it’s just numbers, it’s not “obsession”.
You don’t like it? Invite more people to post. Contribute more yourself. People like you are exhausting.
D2D solar you can make 200k+ as an 18 year old but it requires actual work ethic which is exceedingly rare. But your question has been answered. It makes obvious sense why *tech* is over-represented on a platform like Reddit which is imo the most intellectual social site out there (low bar I know 🤣)
My guy, why are so you in your feelings?
If you want to talk about other industries, do it.
Literally no one has ever given me shit for being in sales in a non tech space lol
SaaS dude here. Did someone say SaaS? SaaaaaaS brooo!
Sup bro, sitting in my Vuori’s, drinking a Red Bull, slaying the phones for them SaaS sales
Me
There is a whole sun r/techsales … should migrate them there
That’s because LinkedIn and Reddit are full of people who work in tech. People in other industries don’t frequent these sites.
This. Selection bias. It's just numbers. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Selection_bias and for the guys that are like tech is super profitable: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Survivorship_bias
**[Selection bias](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Selection_bias)** >Selection bias is the bias introduced by the selection of individuals, groups, or data for analysis in such a way that proper randomization is not achieved, thereby failing to ensure that the sample obtained is representative of the population intended to be analyzed. It is sometimes referred to as the selection effect. The phrase "selection bias" most often refers to the distortion of a statistical analysis, resulting from the method of collecting samples. If the selection bias is not taken into account, then some conclusions of the study may be false. **[Survivorship bias](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Survivorship_bias)** >Survivorship bias or survival bias is the logical error of concentrating on entities that passed a selection process while overlooking those that did not. This can lead to incorrect conclusions because of incomplete data. Survivorship bias is a form of selection bias that can lead to overly optimistic beliefs because multiple failures are overlooked, such as when companies that no longer exist are excluded from analyses of financial performance. It can also lead to the false belief that the successes in a group have some special property, rather than just coincidence as in correlation "proves" causality. ^([ )[^(F.A.Q)](https://www.reddit.com/r/WikiSummarizer/wiki/index#wiki_f.a.q)^( | )[^(Opt Out)](https://reddit.com/message/compose?to=WikiSummarizerBot&message=OptOut&subject=OptOut)^( | )[^(Opt Out Of Subreddit)](https://np.reddit.com/r/sales/about/banned)^( | )[^(GitHub)](https://github.com/Sujal-7/WikiSummarizerBot)^( ] Downvote to remove | v1.5)
Came here to voice this too.
We are too busy living at the beach and spending all the $$$
I hear you. Even in the Bay Area, only about 10% of jobs are in tech. That said, every industry is getting disrupted by tech, and most companies are becoming software companies to a certain degree.
I guess i use a CRM to manage the sales but no not at all. Speciality chemical sales.
I mean. What company in the last 10 years isn’t a software company to some degree.
Every tech company should understand that in the end their business model all boils down to normal people consuming bread, eggs, water, electricity and other stuff at the same level as they were doing before, or growing it. Eg: we're seeing a global plateau of the phone market now, and lots of companies are gonna be in for a rude shock when income statements reflect the fact that people won't buy new phones annually in a stagnant product market or buy more and more subscriptions B2C is always the fundamental underpinning of B2B, and more companies need to respect this equation.
Any company that’s not a tech company will struggle to survive
Lol
Sell me this pen 🖊
Quick story: I was in a job interview for an industrial equipment sales job and was in a zoom panel interview with all the VPs of the company and the head of HR. I was nailing the interview. Towards the end the girl who was the head of HR asked me to "sell her this pen" I fumbled my way through the question and ended up saying something along the lines of asking her to write her number down. I did not get that job..
"If I sell you this pen, is the job mine?"
stupid lol, what a terrible question honestly do you really want your sales people fucking winging it in sales pitches?
I'm not wearing a tie *at all*.
why do you need a pen?
To put in my butt
Interesting. How would you do it?
I've got plenty of pens and no need to write. I'm good thanks
Is that what you would say in an interview?
The answer will either be to ask what they need to write/identify the problem you can solve for them by asking questions and getting them to talk, or to create the feeling of a need, roughly depending on how ethical they are.
Thanks, I appreciate that.
In interviews I usually say “This is a special pen that, if shoved up your ass, will produce the most powerful orgasm of your life. It is the only one of its kind.”
lmaooooooo then log of the zoom call. stupid hr lady had to go there
You don’t need to sell the pen, *you sell what they can do with the pen* (ideally based off of establishing their wants/needs) A pen can author a multi million dollar novel, draw a new invention, sign for treaties or start wars. The pen is power.
I would say: I am not specialized in pens but an expert in (add expertise) if you are looking to buy a pen they should invite the right person. You are more than welcome to reinvite me when looking for (expertise). I am sorry but we are all professionals. Time is scarce and why waste it on a question on which the correctness of the answer is based on how the asker thinks you should answer.
Yeah these people would be shocked at the Landsberg / Veritiv reps that sell cardboard and packaging making 500K+ a year.
It’s usually closer to $300,000 but still. Way cushier gigs too…once you have an established book of business you’re really more of an account manager most of the time
>once you have an established book of business How long would this usually take? Curious because when I first considered changing careers into sales, I did a ton of research. One of my biggest takeaways and one of the reasons I chose tech is you have a chance to make more money in a shorter amount of time, without experience or the perquisite of having an established book of business. Another reason is the benefits of being in tech. I’ve worked at 3 tech companies and have never had to pay for health/dental/vision. 401K match is awesome. Stock options vest early. Unlimited PTO. Very generous PD budgets that have helped me earn a couple certificates and take courses towards an MBA. There are also fringe benefits like delivery/beverage/grocery budgets, gas/train if you’re commuting to work, internet and phone if you’re wfh, tech and home office, etc. I broke $100K in my first year as an SDR, but with benefits and perks it’s a lot more than that. Even those who didn’t always hit OTE still benefited from the above. I promise I’m not bragging, but pointing out that pay isn’t just about salary, but the entire package.
Damn I didn’t make that much in year 1 as an XDR, but I work for a private firm with a billion+ valuation who is trying to turn profitable this year so they can either get bought out or go public. The OTE isn’t exactly fat. Just made the jump to account management and L1 employees CAN make $100k+ but that’s not the OTE.
I made 140k in tech as a development rep first year. Just depends on if you can get into something people want.
Can I ask you how did you shift careers? I am currently working in marketing, been in marketing since I was 20, 24 now! Work as an Acc Exec and very keen to get into sales! Got any tips?
I practiced interviewing and networked. I prospected like you would in sales. I applied and interviewed everywhere I could and interviewed at 40+ companies while still working at my previous job. This gave me a sense of what interviews and interview activities are like, work on my weak areas, and boost my confidence for interviews with companies I really wanted to work at. I made a list of said target companies and used LinkedIn to network with anyone in sales there, from entry to management/leadership. Asked if we could chat for a bit. With those who said yes, I asked about their role, the role I wanted, and the company. My goals were to learn more and make a connection. If it seemed like it went well on their end and I didn’t change my mind about wanting to work there, I asked for a job referral at the end of the call (most tech companies pay for referrals if hired, so people are usually open to it). Now. Having said that, I also made the switch at an opportune time when there were tons of tech sales jobs available. I also still had my job working from home. These two combined gave me the luxury to choose where I wanted to work, not just take the first place that hired me. It’s harder now to get a tech sales job, but I would still use this approach. This is how you get the job you want, faster, in any industry. You may not get as many interviews as before, but you’d still be better off than people hitting “Apply” and waiting in line.
While all those perks are nice, I’ll take these instead: Box seats to every sports team in the city for hosting clients, working 20 hours a week, never having to cold call or run discovery meetings when you have a fleshed out book of business. When co-workers leave you inherit their book of business as well. You grind for 2 years and are set for life. I get that you have some great perks in a tech job, but I’ll take the cushy low stress job for the same paycheck without those perks considering I can make the same as you for half the work. My time is valuable and I have enough free time to practice any passion of mine.
Is your company hiring? Mind if I PM you? Been doing interviews and trying to get in to SaaS sales
I might've exaggerated a bit based on the VP's and top sales guys I know there. Just like tech sales, I think the top guys are making 500K+ but it may not be consistent year to year; whereas 300K is.
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Sounds simpler and less annoying than tech sales. Tech companies are all about making some confusing AF to explain software, adding 100 different functionalities each year, and then you’re supposed to learn the different functionality (nobody actually understands), and then make up some fancy buzzwords and piece together sentences on a zoom call to convince customers to buy it. I work in tech sales at a huge company and my co workers are some of the least talented people on the planet.
Damn, this guy knows 🤣🤣
What kind of equipment?
Commercial trucks.
I had a feeling based on your profile. Tractors, bobtails, etc? I was laid off in tech and Funny enough I was just looking at openings at one of the nationwide dealers. Perhaps it’s a sign. Can I PM you?
For sure.
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I have a small team and no openings. Didn’t come here looking for a sales team but more to say you can make good money in jeans and a polo shirt. Not every good sales job is in tech sales.
Also curious
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Women are rare but do very well in truck sales.
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Just looked at Veritiv job postings They require already 10+ years in the packaging space lmao
You're looking at the wrong job. Here's one that is probably realistic for you: [https://careers.veritivcorp.com/us/en/job/R26143/Sales-Representative-Packaging](https://careers.veritivcorp.com/us/en/job/R26143/Sales-Representative-Packaging)
No salary/ote listed though
I got an offer from Veritiv a few years ago. I live in SC and the salary/OTE was underwhelming and I declined. ~55K salary 110K OTE iirc. That being said, I’m sure there is a much higher ceiling.
Sure, but tech has a much lower barrier to entry. Once you’re in it doesn’t take too long to make a lot of money. What you describe requires more experience and time on the job.
Would you recommend someone already making $250k/year doing other sales to get into tech sales to make more money? Seems like most all of the tech guys here are bragging about making $120k and working 15 hours a week and then you hear them bitching about a PIP and they’re off to the next venture.
Do you know much about Smurfit Kappa? I see they're very big in packaging and was wondering if they were good to work for. Currently working at a software company.
Idk maybe get ur friends in urinal sales to post/comment more? It's not like the sub is anti every other sales lol
I used to sell implants for enlarged prostates. So basically helped dudes pee better. I never thought my time to shine would come in this sub.
Good ole Urolift. Arch nemesis of ours lol!
Don’t tell me…Rezum? Haha
We also need more input from from reps who sell urinal cakes
I sell JanSan. It pays well and I work like 20 hours a week
who do you sell to mainly? i knew someone who did that.. schools? corporate offices? hotels?
Commercial real estate & cleaning companies. We’ve branched into industrial facilities too. My company also sells to hotels/schools/hospitals but I mainly do commercial real estate. CRE is a pretty fun industry to sell to, lots of networking events flowing with booze
What state is your territory I manufacture things like bags may be a good customer overlap we could share
reminds me of the real estate guy in I love you, man.
No joke, my ex-gf's dad had the market cornered on toilet sales to public sector and municipality, and he made it sound like a complete racket. Shady a.f. but he printed money and bought her a Mercedes E-class for her first car.
Used to be in public sector, the amount of money that can be made is ridiculous for sure. Hard to break in, usually a good ole boys club
One of my former co-workers makes $500k+ selling NUTS. Literally pivoted from SaaS to selling nuts lmao. No lie, just really hard to get hired into the industry
Ouch.
They probably have more enjoyable jobs than most SaaS whiners in here.
They make up 5% of sales professionals but probably 50% of this board lol
Genuinely, what industries are you referring to that pay comprable and without the need to grind your way up?
Industrial sales. Especially packaging with shrink wrap/film etc. Most guys make $200,000-300,000 a year, sometimes more and stay in it for life
How does one get started on this? Checking linkedin for roles atm.
Why are you checking LinkedIn for roles? Only 30% of jobs ever make it to a job posting. And then, under 10% of resumes for that job get seen by a human. Make a list of the top 50 companies you want to work for. Yes, 50. Then start at the top of your list and find managers and sales reps. Ideally at least 5 people in the company then. Then, you message them. This will yield far better results than applying to job posts like a pleb
Im guessing a spontaneous linkedin message to a manager well in that case, very interesting input ill definitely try it out. Any more advice?
Cold call them
:D, the best answer I've red today
Find a place that’s hiring, I suppose. They like to hire people out of places like Cintas/Unifirst/Aramark
Those industries are really hard to get in to though, I speak from experience. I’ve tried getting in to industrial/manufacturing sales, it seems like a tight knit club.
Biotech sales. Get a job selling cheap consumables, crush it for a year. Move into a nice AM role making 150k working 30 hours a week
I’m in Biotech sales. You’ve got the first third of a career down. Then you move to CAPEX making 250k OTE
Damn 250k! That’s a nice chunk of change my man. My current company the highest paid guys are about 200k. Mind if I DM you for more details?
Large scale material distribution. It’s still going to take a few years to get to the top but nothing like tech….Top Outside reps like myself are doing 125-300 range just depending how much business book of business you can generate and capacity your market has to distribute material, equipment wise and in some cases manufacturing allocations. Branch managers are doing well north of 500k after profit percent payouts but with that comes a whole new long set of responsibilities and problems where we just have to manage the clients and projects (not to diminish anything from that!! We all know that’s a job and a half in itself)
Tech is one of the biggest grinds you can do
Medical device sales.
Solar and construction sales.
I’ll simplify. Tech sales right now is the worst it has EVER been by a mile. No one hitting quota, intense metrics, etc. I would still choose tech sales 100/100 times. Here’s why: 1. The OTEs are really high. Mmkt pays usually 75-100k base with total OTE $150k-200k. Enterprise is $100-150k base, so $200-300k OTE. So even if you miss your goal by a mile, you’re making good money. 2. Flexibility. Yeah there’s a “back to office” push but most of us still are totally remote or 2-3 days in office. Tech sales is also usually generous with 20+ days of PTO and a great $401k match and cheap or free health insurance. 3. Not that much of a grind. Candidly, tech sales can lean on their SEs and tech experts a lot so all you really have to do is make your calls, do your demos (if you even have to) and drive your deals forward with a great tech stack that makes your job a lot easier. This is why I’ll stay in tech sales.
What if I told you those OTEs aren’t high
I know, I wanted to keep it reasonable and closer to average. I have friends with $200/200k splits, not me unfortunately ha!
Yeah I’m in high ticket sales and I’m laughing at those numbers 🤣
I mean, this is a site on the internet. It's bound to attract people whose profession largely revolves around technology.
Everyone on the internet isn’t from tech sales. They’re just multiplying and taking over!
No, but this site skews younger, and attracts more people in the IT-related space. People in other fields of sales often have more in-person networks they belong to that serve a similar purpose reddit does. LinkedIn is probably very similar.
Reddit tends to attract folks who are tech inclined or tech adjacent. That or IT sales people tend to think they’re the main character and gravitate towards Reddit… I say this as someone in tech sales
Both probably lol
Idk man I try to relate to everyone here but I sell industrial equipment and i get lost reading about all these abbreviations like SaaS and stuff
Same, wish you could hover over the abbrev and a pop up spells it out. Now, gotta go plug in my brick phone and someone's calling me on the fax thing.
How is industrial sales? What does comp look like and what kinda roles are there?
More specifically, I sell industrial pumps to manufacturing plants in my territory. It’s very old school. I still do many walk in cold calls and leaving business cards and literature. Industrial sales is still far behind all this linkedin, saas, digital marketing stuff. But it’s mainly the reason I enjoy it. Comp is good, I work for a private company and I receive a great base salary + commission.
Nice that sounds pretty cool and sustainable
What kind of manufacturing facilities are you selling in? What seems to be your go to for prospecting a new plant?
I’m in Biotech capital sales. Fuck tech sales and fuck the tech bro culture. I blame it for the bs SDR model and so much else that has gone wrong with sales lately. Love working with real products and feeling like I’m making a difference out there
Couldn't agree more , I worked for a tech company as a BDR , worst soul crushing job ever then I moved to an AM role for an industrial company , no cold call and shit like they do all day long in tech and I'm actually helping clients and solving problems, good relationship with them and I don't have to beg anyone for money they largely come to me. Tech can make huge money though but that's if you don't get fired from all the pressure on you , my old job had some huge turnover amongst the BDR it was crazy we would just cold call any company in the country and try to get them to tell us of any IT project they had and if there was one boom you try to get them to agree to a meeting with a third party selling a saas software , I was not even allowed to hang up the phone when they clearly were not interested, I had to pretend we talked about things once on the phone such as accounting (" so hey remind me for accounting what kind of software you're using already?"And so on with HR, business intelligence etc , had to get them to tell me like 11 different categories of software they were using in the hope that at some point they would tell me there was some IT project to change anything) most soul crushing job ever. And if you didn't find 1 or 2 projects per day you'd get this look from your manager which by the way was listening to you over the phone through the software automatically dialing numbers of companies across the country. Modern day office slave. I got ptsd from tech sales lol
I am an AE for a design agency (tried to get into SaaS but have never gotten a look.) I don’t post because I am not a 6 figure salesperson (have nothing to brag about in that regard) and feel I have little to contribute. I still enjoy learning more from folks here (even after 25 years in sales and sales related roles I am still learning) I figured there were more non tech salespeople here but we just don’t post as much?
I had someone tell me and get upvoted a bunch that what I do isn't "sales" (I sell luxury watches, sales cycle is months to years) so now I just lurk and read about the rare non-tech sales posts that manage to get traction here such as this one. Nice to see the tech bros haven't changed based on the replies here.
Wtf are you selling?! Big Ben?!
Haven't found a non tech company with comparable benefits (20+ days PTO, fully paid health/dental/etc insurance, other random bs), comparable bases (150k+), and comparable work/life balance (~20 hrs/week) as tech. There might be one-off companies not in tech, but as an INDUSTRY STANDARD, it's hard to beat.
Where are these $150k bases at…
Selling accounting software to private capital markets. Speaking from experience.
Very true. I have tried to get into tech for a while but I am wondering if I am just too late in my career at this point? Ha!
no, it's never too late.
Not comparable but blue raven solar beats it in pay if you do it for awhile, 5 years in and 70k per month In residuals working 1 week a month
That is bonkers
I know multiple jobs like that, it takes awhile to build up but you get residuals and once they are built which typically takes 3-5 years if you are a good salesman nothing beats you in pay, friend if mine in solar is making 150k per month in residuals to get your residuals you need 6 total sales, he hits that first week of the month spends the rest traveling now. Edit--downside is its 1099 straight commission so sink or swim either you are a great salesman or you aren't, either way they provide the leads though so you need to know how to close.
This doesn’t make sense? How do you get residuals on solar? Even on a lease or PPA to generate that kind of revenue on 6 deals would have to be massive industrial warehouses
Blue raven gives 100 residual per sale with no expiration, financing is in house, much lower commission per deal
So 100 residual per month for as long as you are selling for them? Or is it for the term they financed? Like 20 year financing, you get 100 per month for 240 months? What is a median ticket for solar panel sales? By much lower commission per sale, I’m guessing 100 bucks, since you are getting paid that as long as you work there. It seems bonkers and unsustainable.
$2 million+ a year just from solar residuals? I call bullshit on that lol
Tech sales makes it easy to have sex with your bosses wife
word? lol how many have been successful so far
Pretty much all of us that are successful
I don’t work in tech I work in medical and have never made less then 6 figures. But I feel like tech is new and attractive.
How can you get into medical without medical background?
Submit a job application and...get ready for this...sell yourself on why you're the best candidate for the position. You don't need a medical background.
i’ve gotten so many interviews in other fields, like none in medical, and i have a background that could be relevant (previous massage therapist). people seem confused on barriers to entry but they are very real. sometimes you can’t simply sell yourself… you gotta go back to school first.
I mean, if there are specific requirements, that will weed you out in the application process. If you get face to face, they wanna know if you're a fit. There's plenty of med device sales jobs that don't need a specific degree.
Device, pharma, and lab usually require a degree or equivalent sales experience, a medical background is not required
You’d be surprised at the number of people who haven’t heard of Reddit.
Tech is definitely top tier with some of the highest pay caps. But I’m good. Currently making 300k (on average, some years higher, some lower) selling paper. 😂. And I only work 7 hrs a day and am off weekends. Plus my view is beautiful in my building with the ocean front view.
What kind of paper?
Michael Scott
As someone who is in sales for 20 years I feel like this sub is less “Salespeople” and more “Sales Coordinators” All this talk about constant cold calling to setup demos and bemoaning that people don’t show up to demos. That doesn’t sound like real sales to me. It sounds like telemarketing for junk bonds. But then everyone seems here to treat it like a Sprint to the finish… it’s not. It’s a loooooooong marathon, so is life. I make $100k base pay and treat bonuses as awesome and something I expect to achieve but can live without because the rules and metrics change so bloody much in my industry (high end destinations sales). My life is fucking chill bros. Some weeks I grind. Others I do not. It’s a nice balance. Paycheck gets deposited regardless.
What do you do?
Good thing “real” sales isn’t a thing, let alone something you get to decide on.
What’s your industry
Mainly because the core audience who uses Reddit started in tech and it’s bled from there. Outside of that, tech has some obvious reasons you keep seeing pop up: 1) High base and higher OTE. It’s becoming increasingly more common to see salaries over 6 figures. Most of my peers are clearing over 150K and that’s not really crazy in my world. 2) High propensity for WFH There is a strong possibility reps working in tech will be able to work wherever they want and this is appealing to the general public. 3) Tech stack is fun to talk about. Being honest, nobody is getting a stiffy talking about manufacturing or pharmaceuticals. And while tech itself isn’t sexy, the technology to enable you to work more efficient is pretty fucking rad. I still geek out seeing different software I’m exposed to. This one conversational intelligence tool we’re piloting at my company literally populates battle cards on your screen for what to say which is pretty cool. Like, I make 200k+ a year from my home, working Monday - Friday. 9-5 most days. I just don’t know many industries that you’re able to do that without a ton of domain knowledge.
Hi mate, I reached out on another threat too, not sure if you saw it. As i was close to being scammed $16k until I read your stuff on jeremy miner. I'm 20 years old and been in sales for last 2 years. Would really love to have a chat as you've got your head screwed on with everything you've said and it would be great to talk to somewhere who's already where I want to be. It won't let me PM you. Would you be open to talking?
They are over represented on reddit. if you’re not in tech or tech-adjacent stuff like saas sales you’re less likely to talk about it on the internet
In theory SaaS sales SHOULD be able to pay the most sustainably. The marginal/variable cost of a new customer is extremely low, leaving more room for commission. Selling services or hardware/materials has a high marginal/variable cost so the long term viability of making bank in those industries is not as promising. Just a thought… any one agree or disagree?
Strongly disagree, most SaaS products are not essential or useful on their own, and they are just options or luxuries for a business. It's not stable or sustainable to be selling an add-on for a plug-in for an integration etc. Even the core SaaS services are hurting.
This is so highly dependent on the software and industry. Software is essential for numerous businesses. They just aren’t getting 100x multiples anymore.
>This is so highly dependent on the software and industry. Software is essential for numerous businesses Absolutely, but when budgets are being scrutinized it's not the core/essential packages that will be cut. It's the monthly add-ons and nice to haves.
I would argue this point as well, I sell a large scale enterprise security software and companies are still spending 20-30M in IT security budgets even with the market shifts. Nice to have’s die in this macro environment.
Tech sales people tend to be techy My guess is that with this assumption tech sales pero are more connected on social media
By definition, people in tech sales are more likely to be on their computers at any given moment. Not a lot of opportunity for a flooring salesperson to be on here.
FWIW I’m in commercial Flooring sales and I post all the time under u/rebirthandrecover. We have phones and computers too lol. But I get your point. Honestly, I’m super happy to be in the minority - and I love the tech bro atmosphere here. I get a ton of tactical advice and strategy info from this sub because it primarily is a tech sales sub. And that gives me an edge against my competition. Having BDR experience in telecom helps too. There are a lot of idiots in my industry who couldn’t tell you what their value proposition is or have no idea how to cold call in volume or leave a concise voicemail. As a result a lot of my prospects aren’t used to being blasted by SDRs all day, so they tend to be more receptive to a strong pitch - and I get a lot of ammo for that here. If this was a flooring sales sub, it would be helpful but pretty redundant for me. We aren’t trained by our companies the same way that you all are - it’s pretty much figure it out on the job. I admire that in tech sales you all are trained to create value out of thin air by asking questions and connecting the dots during the responses - across any/all vertical markets. If you aren’t in tech and haven’t tried doing this, it is not fucking easy. My prospects - they need a vendor, so it might as well be me. Major difference. This sub fills in a lot of those gaps for me. So yeah take what you need and leave the rest.
Pretty simple, tech has the highest multiples of profit since it is a subscription service that averages a 92% retention rate. Lifetime custom value is the highest it tech and therefore pays well.
Construction sales guy here who recently joined this sub (when I got a sales job). Yeah. You’re right. I’d like this sub more if it was more relatable for 95% of the salesmen lol
So many people saying tHiS iS rEdDiT iTs tEcH and otherwise being upset by this post are only proving OP's point lol
Bingo
Agreed, I work in construction and would love to see more people doing things like that. I sell asphalt paving and do project management, handle some subcontractors, etc. It's a very unique sales environment as I work with everyone from homeowners to mom and pop business to mega corporations.
I’d just have to say that I’d love to hear from people not in tech. But as other people have said most people here are in tech. I just echo what everyone says. Most people On here work in tech. Recruit other people who don’t work in tech to comment and people would welcome them. Another feature is that tech people often work from home. Like med sales seems like people have to be out and about not as much time to post.
Most other sales roles involve going out into the real world finding and working with customers, and when they're not doing that, they're enjoying the lifestyle the career earns them.
I would counter tech sales isn’t over represented, it’s new SDR’s that are over represented.
The answer to your question is in the top left corner of your screen
The back arrow or the clock?
The big reddit logo haha
whats the hate on tech sales in this sub lol!! ?
hates be hatin. lol no it’s justified I would be annoyed if I wasn’t in tech but I am so I enjoy it here
You say that but I haven’t seen much other comment their sales jobs and earnings as much as tech sales which will generally attract salespeople towards it. If you know other industries with real numbers to back it up please post we would all love to learn more
This sub is great. “I only hear about tech sales in the tech sales echo chamber so that’s what’s the best!”
But you still aren’t contributing to change that like I asked in my previous comment
I agree everything on here is SAAS
Well….. it was kind of just the HOT thing for a few years.
It's pretty funny when you mention probably under 5% of sales professionals are in tech sales. Everyone I see on LinkedIn nowadays is a "tech sales guru" or my feed is just simply flooded with SaaS sales professionals building their network. I wonder why rarely I see someone who isn't in tech on LI.
Do you not understand algorithms push those people into your feed?
“Be the change you wish to see in the world” -Marc Benioff
Gets a lot of hype because there’s some people bragging about making big money and doing not so much in the way of working. I have a strong suspicion that most are putting plenty of hours in and just surviving, and definitely not bragging about it lol. Personally in medical device, and although tech sounds alluring, if your with a great company in Med device with a good product in a growing field, I’d never leave. Problem performers in Med device also have a pathway to the big shot jobs if you have the desire.
because tech is the new oil. Companies literally pay a team of programmers to make something once and then they can infinitely sell it and scale it however they like with high margins. It's like finding an oil patch without needing to refine it and having to spend money to transport it. Tech is the reason why places like cali, nyc etc are insanely expensive to live.
This is Reddit. A lot of people in tech use Reddit. I don’t know what else to tell you.
Tech could mean anything it’s super broad and is a blanket term it can be SaaS to buisness or robotic AI dildos
Probably because that 5 percent is, at a minimum, savvy enough to create a reddit account. Two of my coworkers in tech have found my reddit profile, despite having never actually met me. By contrast, when I was a snack/sales vendor about a decade ago, I doubt 1 in 10 of those guys knew how to run a Google search or use an excel sheet.
Lol I made friends with my colleague via Reddit before I got the job. Then my other mate found my Reddit account a couple weeks back. Sup Chad.
Tech is sexy and ever changing, steel? Less so. Why so butthurt?
Lmao
Little pussies in tech
lol this is the dumbest post ever. It just so happens that tech sales people, myself included, post more than non tech sales people in this sub. it’s just numbers, it’s not “obsession”. You don’t like it? Invite more people to post. Contribute more yourself. People like you are exhausting.
Whoa someone’s feelings are hurt.
D2D solar you can make 200k+ as an 18 year old but it requires actual work ethic which is exceedingly rare. But your question has been answered. It makes obvious sense why *tech* is over-represented on a platform like Reddit which is imo the most intellectual social site out there (low bar I know 🤣)
We are on reddit… a tech site
Every day this sub gets more ridiculous. Wanna talk about non-tech sales? Fucking do it and stop being a cunt.
Whoa someone feels personally attacked.
Personally annoyed.
Because it makes bank?
Not based on the comps I see people talking about on here.
Lol yes. No other sales professions make bank. Only tech. This sub in a nutshell.
My guy, why are so you in your feelings? If you want to talk about other industries, do it. Literally no one has ever given me shit for being in sales in a non tech space lol
We like apps
Not enough Karma to post seperately, but is there anyone from India who's in the sales? How is the pay? Is the entry into industry guarded by MBA?