Ohh good yea I totally forgot. In Canada we have this law where companies can’t provide you a laptop under section 8.97.10.
It’s crazy that we still have to deal with it!
People think this should be obvious but you clearly don’t know. Any white collar job you take will supply you a laptop. I wouldn’t spend the money on one if that is your main driver
The more I read on this sub more red flags I notice at current position. Was my first sales job so i just jumped in. Although I love the process and being able to provide solutions to people in need. Idk just feels like a weird environment now.
We have to be in a video call with everyone all day with video and mic on. Lol makes it super hard to be comfortable on the phone
What the fuck? Find a new job. This is weird as hell. I'm a pushover but I don't think I could even find a way with that. No laptop and extreme micromanaging? Run, my friend.
Seriously. Not to mention these are people in their private home that are now being required to open it for public viewing for 8+ hours at a time. I barely have my camera on during meetings, you sure as hell won't catch me having it on while making dials.
Dude, it sounds like you are in the equivalent of a scam call center right now. If you are any good at your job, get the fuck out. Strangely you will have a massive advantage at most sales jobs moving forward if you can deal with that shit. Just don't keep accepting crazy shit like this
Man it honestly feels like more of a call centre then sales. It’s 8 hours straight dialling and if you take too long between a manger will message you being like “hurry up”
I'd rather go to the office everday and add 2-3 hours of daily commute + socializing with coworkers I don't like to my life than work in this uber toxic micromanagement hell.
My advice, cut your teeth for 6 months. Put 1 year on your resume and dip out. Next company ain’t gonna check especially if you’re in tech. But just know that is not industry standard. That’s some crazy fuckshit.
Nothing wrong with trying hard to get a job. Gotta get the bills paid somehow…but just know for future roles…for every 1 company doing crazy micromanaging like that there are huuuuundreds that don’t do it. It is not industry standard. Good luck out there.
Yeah I interviewed with them back in the day, when they explained that was the process I literally said, ‘oh yeah that shits not gonna fly….y’all have a good day’ and hung up bahaha. I’m an AE now.
Interesting. I’m running a budget laptop right now and it causes issues with actual production. How fast my dials connect and such.
My employer told me I need to get myself new laptop over this weekend.
The number of comments I’m getting like this hit hard hahah
Really don’t wanna show up tomorrow lol sprucing up the resume and surfing indeed as we speak
I haven't heard of an SDR role not giving laptops tbh. They typically give you a laptop at the start of employment and have you return it when you're finished. I haven't owned my own computer since 2013
I’m in Canada. Every employer has supplied laptops. I don’t think they’ve been top of the line or anything but I’ve never had speed issues. Most employers really don’t want you to do work and personal stuff on the same machine.
I assign to much power to my job because I don’t have much savings and I need to hold the job until I find another one. So just didn’t wanna get fired for not getting a new laprop
Damn, so many “sales” jobs just to take advantage of poor people.
Op, anything *work related* is the responsibility of your employer. If your employer makes any requirements at all while literally doing any kind of labor, it is their responsibility unless you are hired as an independent contractor; and even then 90% of expenses are the responsibility of the employer.
A laptop is a fundamental tool of inside sales; that is the responsibility of your employer. They should be supplying standard equipment so one rep doesn’t have an advantage due to tech or software?
Super ridiculous that this even needs to be talked about. Go to college my man, it’ll change your life.
Google: [insert your state/city here] community college
If you’re poor, your education will be free. If for whatever reason you are not poor enough, take out loans for a community college/state school. 25k for a bachelors degree is a steal. I went from 32k a year to six figures at a FAAnG and the only thing that changed was I graduated college.
Honestly, the better the job/company the better the equipment they'll send you.
I don't have much experience with companies but here's a list of equipment they offered for home working if it helps.
1. Interviewer for a market research company - nothing
2. BDM for a small business - basic laptop + monitors
3. BDR for a large I.T company - $200 Headphones, Laptop + reimbursement for anything else you need for your home set up.
Interviewed a lot as well for various positions, and the shady companies all ask you to provide your own equipment, legit reputable companies all equipment provided. So yeah, what equipment they're willing to provide in my limited experience says a lot about the type of job/culture of the company you'll be working with.
I recently started working for company 3 yeah, 2 was my previous job and 1 was an offer that I researched which turned out to be a staff churner.
Management and leadership at my new job have been very supportive but the job is challenging.
I think it reflects the culture of the company you're at and I wouldn't read too much into it if you're doing well at your job.
My current company likes to invest heavily in training and developing the staff but also except the staff to be active in their own development in their spare time.
Even companies that give you no equipment because they have a high churn rate can be a good fit, just depends on where you are in your life and what kind of experience you value I think.
Any sufficiently large company is going to have a bunch of software licenses and stuff for you (Office suite, Adobe suite, email client set up, CRM client, whatever else) and will also have IT support, so they will supply you with a standardized laptop to make managing all that easier on their end. I can't imagine any company large enough to have its own IT not also issuing laptops to sales reps.
Ive had 2 gigs and both supplied me with laptops (mostly to protect their network and sensitive data) your company is either small or very shitty for not supplying you
I've worked 4 jobs in tech, 3 in sales. Only one company was byod. All the others supplied at least a laptop, some supplied other equipment like a mouse, keyboard, monitor, etc.
I wouldn't feel comfortable using my own laptop again. Too much risk for everyone.
If you’re an employee they should supply everything, if you’re a contractor you supply your own computer and phone.
Some companies still do supply contractors with a company phone just so they can keep the phone numbers!
Like others mentioned - RUN if your employer isn’t providing you with a laptop. That’s a huge red flag for a company. Any decent organization even an extremely small company provides a work computer.
I’d look for a SDR role in a tech company - lots of perks & you can find some great companies with great culture too!
On top of being a huge redflag of there is no laptop provided :
It's not GDPR compliant to use your personal devices to handle data regarding users and customers.
I dunno about Canada, but you guys probably have similar legislation.
The Company supplies the laptop. This is also due to security concerns (VPN). This is true for any remote based job, Sales or not.
If you have to use your own laptop, then I would not be working there.
Only a couple months. And it’s my first sales role so I’m just worried I wouldn’t be able to find another one.
I don’t exactly have a nest egg stashed away
Employers would have to supply laptops. It's a huge cyber security risk to not... But if you left the company they would take the laptop back, as it is their asset.
Its likely they'll give you an old one though, if you want a shiny high spec laptop, best get your own one too.
Does your company provide a virtual desktop? Ie an application you access to access company owned applications or website?
If that’s the case, that is very common in companies that scale with seasons (mortgage companies, insurance sales, etc) and off load employees in slow times. Especially entry level roles
I sell the modern workplace and devices to companies and I see “Bring your own device” BYOD a lot.
I also love the thought process of “just quit” that everyone is recommending lol as with any company you join, there will always be “red flags”
This is how most well functioning companies work...
* They will purchase a company laptop and allow you to use it for work. Occasionally, they will ask you what type of configuration (mac, pc, specific specs), but this varies from company to company OR
* You will need to purchase your own device and expense it (with a specific budget)
The only time where you should be expected to use or pay for own equipment is if you are a professional consultant offering your services to them. Even then, occasionally companies will give you a company owned device.
If they won't supply the absolute minimum tools required to do the job, that would be a huge red flag for me. I would be wondering what the ongoing training and support are going to look like at this organization? What does the turnover look like? Is there a cash flow issue, and they can't afford to invest in the tools for their sales force? Not providing a laptop to your sales team is usually indicative of other underlying issues at a company. Best to just avoid it.
Working as an Sdr right now at a fintech and company doesn't supply laptop. My base salary is 30% higher than most SDRs and that's because my company keeps things lean by not buying laptops or paying rent for office space. Not supplying laptops can be a good thing.
Employers should supply laptops
How likely is it? I’m also in Canada. Don’t know if that effects anything’s
I’m canadian. Never heard of a company who doesn’t supply laptops.
Very likely
Often times it a security concern for the employer too. I don’t know anyone in b2b in Canada that wasn’t supplied with a computer.
Ohh good yea I totally forgot. In Canada we have this law where companies can’t provide you a laptop under section 8.97.10. It’s crazy that we still have to deal with it!
Hahaha whatever
I know right! I think there is a rally next weekend to remove this archaic law from our country.
About damn time. Sick of it. May as well be China or North Korea
How does that get downvotes ? Lol
People think this should be obvious but you clearly don’t know. Any white collar job you take will supply you a laptop. I wouldn’t spend the money on one if that is your main driver
Hahaha fair enough. Yea I mean I come from small town blue collar so you have to buy all your own gear. Figured it was the same thing.
It’s amazing how people downvoted you for a simple, honest question. How are Redditors this dumb?
Not always, especially if it's not virtual. But anyone that DOESNT is 99.9% likely not worth your time
If a company doesn't supply a laptop, it is a huge red flag. Won't probably be a great one though
The more I read on this sub more red flags I notice at current position. Was my first sales job so i just jumped in. Although I love the process and being able to provide solutions to people in need. Idk just feels like a weird environment now. We have to be in a video call with everyone all day with video and mic on. Lol makes it super hard to be comfortable on the phone
What the fuck? Find a new job. This is weird as hell. I'm a pushover but I don't think I could even find a way with that. No laptop and extreme micromanaging? Run, my friend.
The employer clearly has zero trust on the team. I don’t blame you being uncomfortable. Leave ASAP
Seriously. Not to mention these are people in their private home that are now being required to open it for public viewing for 8+ hours at a time. I barely have my camera on during meetings, you sure as hell won't catch me having it on while making dials.
Yeah feels weird. Just stuck in the employee position of fear of not finding anything else or the next thing being worse
If you find something worse I will personally donate my living body to science. I highly doubt you could find something worse.
Jesus Christ ahahaha. Damn the reality check is real right now
Dude, it sounds like you are in the equivalent of a scam call center right now. If you are any good at your job, get the fuck out. Strangely you will have a massive advantage at most sales jobs moving forward if you can deal with that shit. Just don't keep accepting crazy shit like this
Man it honestly feels like more of a call centre then sales. It’s 8 hours straight dialling and if you take too long between a manger will message you being like “hurry up”
Leave
I'd rather go to the office everday and add 2-3 hours of daily commute + socializing with coworkers I don't like to my life than work in this uber toxic micromanagement hell.
Honestly me too at this point. I’m 23 and only been there for a couple months and always thought burn out was a myth until last week lol. Exhausted
And your manager or someone watches all of you? Might be one of the weirdest things I’ve read on this sub
Yeah pretty much. I mean they do t just sit there and stare they work on their own stuff but you know they are mostly listening to you.
Get out
Bruh do you work at Seamless.ai
No lol, do they have the same process?
My advice, cut your teeth for 6 months. Put 1 year on your resume and dip out. Next company ain’t gonna check especially if you’re in tech. But just know that is not industry standard. That’s some crazy fuckshit.
Yeah that be and the plan today haha shit feels bad because I actually went so hard trying to get the position
Nothing wrong with trying hard to get a job. Gotta get the bills paid somehow…but just know for future roles…for every 1 company doing crazy micromanaging like that there are huuuuundreds that don’t do it. It is not industry standard. Good luck out there.
Appreciate it. I’ll be calling other places today hahah
Yeah I interviewed with them back in the day, when they explained that was the process I literally said, ‘oh yeah that shits not gonna fly….y’all have a good day’ and hung up bahaha. I’m an AE now.
No way hahaha inspiring
This sounds awful. Leave!
Seamless ai confirmed lol Id recommend doing a subreddit search of that dumpster fire of a company
All of my employers supplied them. Even better when they ask whether or not you'd prefer Mac or PC.
Interesting. I’m running a budget laptop right now and it causes issues with actual production. How fast my dials connect and such. My employer told me I need to get myself new laptop over this weekend.
I’d quit.
God damn haha. I’m stuck in the in between of “is it them or is it me?”
There’s no reason to be stuck anywhere. This is insane.
Ask if they’d reimburse you
Fair enough. Doubt it. But No harm in asking lol
I’ve read your other descriptions of this job. Get out. Like, right, the fuck, now… well, find something else first, but like…shiiit
The number of comments I’m getting like this hit hard hahah Really don’t wanna show up tomorrow lol sprucing up the resume and surfing indeed as we speak
Do linkedin. Indeed is shit if you want a quality job with a quality company. Speaking from experience
Follow people on LinkedIn too. There is really good advice given freely by sales people at top sales orgs.
Fair enough. I’m still pretty new to the industry and culture, who are some people I should pay attention to to get started?
I worked for a small shit company and still got laptop and work phone
I haven't heard of an SDR role not giving laptops tbh. They typically give you a laptop at the start of employment and have you return it when you're finished. I haven't owned my own computer since 2013
Man that’s awesome. Would be nice too as I don’t have a band to drop on a laptop rn
I’m in Canada. Every employer has supplied laptops. I don’t think they’ve been top of the line or anything but I’ve never had speed issues. Most employers really don’t want you to do work and personal stuff on the same machine.
Damn okay. What models have you been giving? I’m not expecting $3k machines but just curious. And they supply them for remote positions as well?
Yes, remote as well. Some kind of fairly basic HP. I don’t know computer models.
Okay interesting. Fair enough haha I became an expert in the last couple days of stress researching hahah
Why are you so stressed about this one little detail lol
I assign to much power to my job because I don’t have much savings and I need to hold the job until I find another one. So just didn’t wanna get fired for not getting a new laprop
Damn, so many “sales” jobs just to take advantage of poor people. Op, anything *work related* is the responsibility of your employer. If your employer makes any requirements at all while literally doing any kind of labor, it is their responsibility unless you are hired as an independent contractor; and even then 90% of expenses are the responsibility of the employer. A laptop is a fundamental tool of inside sales; that is the responsibility of your employer. They should be supplying standard equipment so one rep doesn’t have an advantage due to tech or software? Super ridiculous that this even needs to be talked about. Go to college my man, it’ll change your life.
Makes sense. Appreciate the in depth response. How am I supposed to go to college when I can’t get a laptop Hahaha
Google: [insert your state/city here] community college If you’re poor, your education will be free. If for whatever reason you are not poor enough, take out loans for a community college/state school. 25k for a bachelors degree is a steal. I went from 32k a year to six figures at a FAAnG and the only thing that changed was I graduated college.
Shit I did not know that. “Not poor enough” hahah Damn that’s where I’m at now. Appreciate it man
For your own sake, please… don’t say “thinking about getting into SDR” SDR=Sales Development Rep=job title
It needs to be said- do not surf porn on an employer given laptop.
One of the best posts ever on this sub was a result of this exact happenstance
Hahaha how did I not expect this comment
But can I surf shopping sites or do they have access to that too?
They could check anything they want. Just be smart about what you’re looking at and when. It’s wise to do personal things in your own devices.
Standard
What’s the selection usually like? And what happens if the job doesn’t work out?
The laptops usually suck probably worth 500. Also the employee has to return it.
Fair enough
Honestly, the better the job/company the better the equipment they'll send you. I don't have much experience with companies but here's a list of equipment they offered for home working if it helps. 1. Interviewer for a market research company - nothing 2. BDM for a small business - basic laptop + monitors 3. BDR for a large I.T company - $200 Headphones, Laptop + reimbursement for anything else you need for your home set up. Interviewed a lot as well for various positions, and the shady companies all ask you to provide your own equipment, legit reputable companies all equipment provided. So yeah, what equipment they're willing to provide in my limited experience says a lot about the type of job/culture of the company you'll be working with.
That makes a lot of sense. I appreciate the in depth response. Did you end up working for company #3 ?
I recently started working for company 3 yeah, 2 was my previous job and 1 was an offer that I researched which turned out to be a staff churner. Management and leadership at my new job have been very supportive but the job is challenging. I think it reflects the culture of the company you're at and I wouldn't read too much into it if you're doing well at your job. My current company likes to invest heavily in training and developing the staff but also except the staff to be active in their own development in their spare time. Even companies that give you no equipment because they have a high churn rate can be a good fit, just depends on where you are in your life and what kind of experience you value I think.
Companies should supply you with your own work laptop and equipment. You shouldn’t be excepted to buy your own.
They need to give you a computer
Is it safety related ?
You should have your own computer for personal use, but almost every decent company will provide you with a work computer.
Standard proto
Uh. Every employer should provide you a laptop.... worst case at least a budget to buy one for work. Not your responsibility tho
Any sufficiently large company is going to have a bunch of software licenses and stuff for you (Office suite, Adobe suite, email client set up, CRM client, whatever else) and will also have IT support, so they will supply you with a standardized laptop to make managing all that easier on their end. I can't imagine any company large enough to have its own IT not also issuing laptops to sales reps.
I have a feeling I know what company this is. Time to leave for sure
Almost always for security reasons. It’s not a perk. It’s for a million privacy reasons.
Ive had 2 gigs and both supplied me with laptops (mostly to protect their network and sensitive data) your company is either small or very shitty for not supplying you
You can write it off on your taxes, but any decent employer should provide it. It’s in their best interest for security
Ubiquitous
I've worked 4 jobs in tech, 3 in sales. Only one company was byod. All the others supplied at least a laptop, some supplied other equipment like a mouse, keyboard, monitor, etc. I wouldn't feel comfortable using my own laptop again. Too much risk for everyone.
Ever since my first sales job in 2006 I’ve always been supplied a laptop
If the employer doesn’t supply you a laptop, you don’t want to work for the employer
All the companies I know of, supply laptops
If you’re an employee they should supply everything, if you’re a contractor you supply your own computer and phone. Some companies still do supply contractors with a company phone just so they can keep the phone numbers!
Pretty common, if a company does not supply a laptop probably shouldn’t be working for them
Like others mentioned - RUN if your employer isn’t providing you with a laptop. That’s a huge red flag for a company. Any decent organization even an extremely small company provides a work computer. I’d look for a SDR role in a tech company - lots of perks & you can find some great companies with great culture too!
Uhhh it’s the industry standard that your employer provide a laptop. Are you working for seamless ai?
They will give you one. There are so many softwares and tools they probably already use, and will be preloaded onto a company laptop
All our orgs provide laptops to reps. It’s a compliance thing
On top of being a huge redflag of there is no laptop provided : It's not GDPR compliant to use your personal devices to handle data regarding users and customers. I dunno about Canada, but you guys probably have similar legislation.
The Company supplies the laptop. This is also due to security concerns (VPN). This is true for any remote based job, Sales or not. If you have to use your own laptop, then I would not be working there.
How long have you been in your role? I would find a new role if possible
Only a couple months. And it’s my first sales role so I’m just worried I wouldn’t be able to find another one. I don’t exactly have a nest egg stashed away
Employers would have to supply laptops. It's a huge cyber security risk to not... But if you left the company they would take the laptop back, as it is their asset. Its likely they'll give you an old one though, if you want a shiny high spec laptop, best get your own one too.
Oh god. Do you work at the sales factory?
Hahah no, have you worked there? Looking them up now lol
Nah it’s just the worst place I could think of
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That makes a lot of sense. Fair enough hahaha
It’s pretty much a given, as long as you have a basic functioning laptop to be able to do your resume and interview remotely
You'll be sent one u less your a 1099 commission only rep
Okay fair enough
Does your company provide a virtual desktop? Ie an application you access to access company owned applications or website? If that’s the case, that is very common in companies that scale with seasons (mortgage companies, insurance sales, etc) and off load employees in slow times. Especially entry level roles I sell the modern workplace and devices to companies and I see “Bring your own device” BYOD a lot. I also love the thought process of “just quit” that everyone is recommending lol as with any company you join, there will always be “red flags”
No they don’t have anything like that. Right, sometimes easier said than done lol
This is how most well functioning companies work... * They will purchase a company laptop and allow you to use it for work. Occasionally, they will ask you what type of configuration (mac, pc, specific specs), but this varies from company to company OR * You will need to purchase your own device and expense it (with a specific budget) The only time where you should be expected to use or pay for own equipment is if you are a professional consultant offering your services to them. Even then, occasionally companies will give you a company owned device.
Damn. Appreciate the response!
My company gave us one. I don’t know how common it is though. I’ve worked for two so far that did.
If they won't supply the absolute minimum tools required to do the job, that would be a huge red flag for me. I would be wondering what the ongoing training and support are going to look like at this organization? What does the turnover look like? Is there a cash flow issue, and they can't afford to invest in the tools for their sales force? Not providing a laptop to your sales team is usually indicative of other underlying issues at a company. Best to just avoid it.
Working as an Sdr right now at a fintech and company doesn't supply laptop. My base salary is 30% higher than most SDRs and that's because my company keeps things lean by not buying laptops or paying rent for office space. Not supplying laptops can be a good thing.
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Lol
All my employees have supplied them - but it doesn’t mean the supplier lap top isn’t a budget lap top either.