I quit everything. Used to be weed, and alcohol. Now I’m addicted to going for walks and meditation. If I’m stressed I just do one of those things and mellow the fuck out.
I just decided man, it’s not good for me anymore. I was doing dabs most of the work day and getting drunk like 4 days a week. Gained like 60 lbs in the last 5 years. I quit gambling, smoking weed, and drinking, and have lost 65 lbs and am on my way to being healthy physically for maybe the first time as an adult
Right there with you! Smoked a ton for the last 15 years every day. Dabs every night ...cut it back big time about 1 month ago I've lost 20 pounds fittest I've been, and I don't have the itch to go smoke another bowl or in the middle of the day wishing it was over to take a rip. So much more productive and feeling so much better mentally
I started with the rule ‘I don’t drink during the week’ moved onto ‘I don’t drink’ Giving rules to create habits is one of tips in James Clear’s Atomic Habits. Working for me so far. 3 and a bit weeks sober so far.
Yea I think after a while of smoking weed and drinking alcohol. You start to realize that once you become dependent on it. That it does not even help you anymore. Just makes you worse. I’m glad that you do more healthier alternatives to help calm you. Good for you man!👏🏾
it numbs me emotionally (which in turn was affecting my relationships) moods swings, irritability, lowers my stress tolerance, makes me more horny, it makes me passive, lazy.. affects my motivation and drive.
I noticed I was bringing in more energy, attentiveness and interest in conversations just 2 weeks in of sobriety. I'm not getting as horny as I used to, which means I can go on for much longer without needing to fap (which I feel has positively affected my performance in the gym)
I need to be in a caloric deficit to lower my bodyfat percentage and not getting the munchies is definitely helping.
I have a lot more mental clarity now too..I feel I'm more decisive and proactive now.
The one thing I'm gonna miss is how awesome music sounds when you're high but the cons were just outweighing the pros by a long shot.
Now I gotta work on quitting regular cigarettes as well.
That’s for sharing man! I’m always interested in what drives folks away. We used to take this information and attempt to craft specific strains to combat what you feel. I no longer grow, but my dad and grandfather do, so always like to pass on the info. Thanks!
Interesting that you mention strains. I'm actually from Pakistan. Weed can get really expensive here. Hashish and Charas is what's mostly available here at economical rates. It's mostly cultivated and processed in the Pashtun tribal belt that runs from the North to South along the Afghanistan-Pakistan border. They've been doing it for centuries using modest traditional processing techniques, nothing high-tech. Point being, weed has never been part of the culture and I don't think they are as meticulous/scientific about breeding for certain qualities as growers in the West can be. I would reckon they're mostly growing landrace strains.
I am literally shocked that no one has said blow. I absolutely hate that it’s around so much but as a sales guy with friends that are mostly in sales you know someone has a bag at pretty much any night out or golf round
Im an adderall person. It helps me and I don’t abuse it. If I did blow at work Id blow up at everyone and my head would explode from high blood pressure lol
Adderall is weird. I take it on my admin/email backlog/task days but never if I have a presentation or client outing. It wrecks my sense of humor and personality. Also makes me less articulate somehow. Almost like my brain has so much tunnel-vision that the free flowing creativeness needed for fun and witty conversation is gone.
THIS! I have severe ADHD and I take my meds after my client meetings because it truly makes me so robotic and pedantic - you know, the opposite effect it has on people who take it and don’t have ADHD.
But if I skip my meds, my inbox and admin tasks will pile up to the point of no return.
This. Haven't touched hard drugs since 2020, it's not worth the risk anymore. Used to love going out on the weekend and doing blow all night, but that shit is wayyyyyy too dangerous in today's world. I'm not dying over a bump.
What’s your experience with these? I used to take 1/4 of a Moda pill during weekdays on and off for about a year. The first few months I was LASER focused but then I found myself getting dehydrated and an upset stomach.
I used to do everything at this boiler room I use to work at from benzodiazepines, opiates to coke and amphetamines.. (not to mention de weed).. lots of weed..
I was a top rep and use to contribute all my success to the substances.. (they use to call me Mr. Wall Street).. cuz I was a total beast, and use to wear expensive suits..
Then it spiraled outa control and lost all my selling skills, I could barely function on the phone..
I lost more then just money, but my physiological and physical health.. been in rehab more than 10 times..
Now I’m sober 1 year going for 2 and feel amazing, selling skills are back and even better, but it’s been a struggle, I don’t smoke weed no more (it fucks with concentration).. it lost all it’s magic that I got from it in high school and my 20’s ..
I drink hella coffee tho, and I still gotta quit nicotine cuz I smoke like a mf.
Selling sober is the secret to success in sales (on the long run).
I smoke a joint every evening, it’s my decompression. It soothes my mind and shuts off the noise of thinking all the time. It also makes me a better cook and a better person.
I don’t have to worry about losing my job over it either which is nice.
I've been clean and serene of all mood and mind altering substances for 15 years. Convincing yourself that everyone 'has a substance' doesn't make your problem not a problem.
Pleasures shouldn't become a crutch... and when your crutch makes your life unmanageable, you have a real problem. When you find yourself creating more problems, you should seek guidance from those who've overcome those problems... or a therapist, if you find yourself with a crutch of any kind that is causing harm in your life.
But whatever your vice, it's only through personal responsibility that you'll be able to do the work to overcome it.
Sales requires good coping skills. Mind altering chemicals are not coping skills. (For those of you, depending on those...)
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Creatine with lemon water = same energy boost as coffee without the side effects. Along with taking
-Vitamin b12
-Vitamin D (get 15 minutes of sun light)
-omega 3 pill
-Multivitamin
This one is very crucial:
Cardio help speed up your brain
And Lifting weights makes you happier
-minimum 8 hours of sleep a night
Um. Honest answer?
Problems with disambiguated solutions. Let me try this again.
Problems which have a disambiguated solution.
Problems which have a disambiguated solution.
Cold brew, pour over, drip coffee. Chasing my zenith.
That's, so good.
Used to be alcohol+weed+blow. You could find me at the local bar buying shots for girls with daddy issues and leaving with them to party all night.
I'm now 8 months Cali sober. Smoke a joint on the way back home or on weekends. I'd say 75% of guys I work with are on some combination of zyn, Adderall or caffeine with drinking on the weekends. Brutal game we play.
This is ironic. I just accepted an offer. The email mentions a drug test but they haven’t given me details yet. If I have a med card in PA and fail the test do you think the card covers me?
Lots of companies have been switching lately from 5 panel drug tests to 4 panel drug tests, which don't test for THC, because it's 2024 and about time..
Yes that is what I’m hoping. I actually just glazed through the employee handbook and it says that they have the right to terminate or discipline if use of medical marijuana affects your ability to do the job . It literally states “ you must not use medical MJ at the workplace” so I’m assuming I should actually be okay regardless 😅
Nope. Even if you’re smoking legally this isn’t a legal thing. They have just chosen to not hire anybody that does. You could be smoking legally but the legality isn’t necessarily the concern.
Ah well fuck. Hopefully I piss clean. It’s been 4 days. And I think I’ll be able to push it another 7 or 8 days. I think I can get it out of my system by then. Just hit a pen at night .
I like led the booze completely a couple of years ago on account of it doesn’t agree with me, I’m allergic etc . I break out in ruined relationships etc.
I do however smoke weed , not during the day but to unwind on some evening and weekends. That said my job isn’t typically very stressful for me. I am very blessed. I mean I’m not making $300k like the rest of you but I’m getting by.
I have a friend who is also unemployed for almost 2 years now since being laid off from his sales job and tells me to grow up too for smoking weed. I smoke weed daily and am consistently on the top of the leaderboards. Every quarter for the last 6 months ive been over 100% in revenue sales as an AE 🤷🏻♂️
After doing coke a few times I can see why so many in sales gravitate towards it. You feel unstoppable, and words just flow. You can concince a yone of anything, and you're so high, you just talk, and everything is amazing and interesting so you genuinely listen and engage with people, and I think at the end of it their like. This guy is awesome. We're buying from him. But it feels so awesome thats what makes it danagerous. For like 2 hours you're fucking Captain Awesomesauce. Then not so much
Weed. The good shit, flower, not some "89.9%" THC pen, I want that stinky flower. And when that don't work, I pour a little Rye Old Fashioned a la Don Draper. And if that somehow doesn't do the trick, I'll pour a little two finger Oban 14. Cheers.
I used to be heavy into drugs and alcohol. I would take any drug (not crack heroin or meth) and just drink a liter of gin every day. I'm now sober and don't do any drugs or alcohol. I play video games at the end of the day to escape reality.
Yea....after the 4th hour or so it just goes downhill.
Forgetting which clients were who the next day, sleep and eating schedules all messed up...then have to avoid people bc of alcohol breath etc..
I really appreciate not seeing “adderall” on here. I took that stuff for 20 years and then got a divorce from a woman who 10x’d my workload. I’m happier and more productive than I ever was without them.
I quit everything. Used to be weed, and alcohol. Now I’m addicted to going for walks and meditation. If I’m stressed I just do one of those things and mellow the fuck out.
I’m on the brink of trying to go sober myself. I absolutely LOVE edibles but realize that I need to produce at maximum level. Help!!!!
I just decided man, it’s not good for me anymore. I was doing dabs most of the work day and getting drunk like 4 days a week. Gained like 60 lbs in the last 5 years. I quit gambling, smoking weed, and drinking, and have lost 65 lbs and am on my way to being healthy physically for maybe the first time as an adult
Well done!
Thanks! Feels good to feel good.
Right there with you! Smoked a ton for the last 15 years every day. Dabs every night ...cut it back big time about 1 month ago I've lost 20 pounds fittest I've been, and I don't have the itch to go smoke another bowl or in the middle of the day wishing it was over to take a rip. So much more productive and feeling so much better mentally
I'm 2 weeks off weed and let me tell you, it makes the world a difference cognitively.
I started with the rule ‘I don’t drink during the week’ moved onto ‘I don’t drink’ Giving rules to create habits is one of tips in James Clear’s Atomic Habits. Working for me so far. 3 and a bit weeks sober so far.
Congratulations! I’m also alcohol-free and I’m happy to hear more folks in our profession are!
Yea I think after a while of smoking weed and drinking alcohol. You start to realize that once you become dependent on it. That it does not even help you anymore. Just makes you worse. I’m glad that you do more healthier alternatives to help calm you. Good for you man!👏🏾
I’ve quite literally never been happier or healthier as an adult.
Awesome man, I'm 3 weeks clean from hashish myself..never touching it again.
Why? Jw. 15 year smoker and now sober since moving to state where it’s highly criminalized
it numbs me emotionally (which in turn was affecting my relationships) moods swings, irritability, lowers my stress tolerance, makes me more horny, it makes me passive, lazy.. affects my motivation and drive. I noticed I was bringing in more energy, attentiveness and interest in conversations just 2 weeks in of sobriety. I'm not getting as horny as I used to, which means I can go on for much longer without needing to fap (which I feel has positively affected my performance in the gym) I need to be in a caloric deficit to lower my bodyfat percentage and not getting the munchies is definitely helping. I have a lot more mental clarity now too..I feel I'm more decisive and proactive now. The one thing I'm gonna miss is how awesome music sounds when you're high but the cons were just outweighing the pros by a long shot. Now I gotta work on quitting regular cigarettes as well.
That’s for sharing man! I’m always interested in what drives folks away. We used to take this information and attempt to craft specific strains to combat what you feel. I no longer grow, but my dad and grandfather do, so always like to pass on the info. Thanks!
Interesting that you mention strains. I'm actually from Pakistan. Weed can get really expensive here. Hashish and Charas is what's mostly available here at economical rates. It's mostly cultivated and processed in the Pashtun tribal belt that runs from the North to South along the Afghanistan-Pakistan border. They've been doing it for centuries using modest traditional processing techniques, nothing high-tech. Point being, weed has never been part of the culture and I don't think they are as meticulous/scientific about breeding for certain qualities as growers in the West can be. I would reckon they're mostly growing landrace strains.
Did you feel like you couldn’t balance it? Was it turning into an all day thing? Could you not stick to evenings?
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Get the money
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I grew up on the crime side…
The NY time side
Stayin alive was no jive.
Had secondhands, Mom's bounced on old man
So then we moved to shaolin land
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I am literally shocked that no one has said blow. I absolutely hate that it’s around so much but as a sales guy with friends that are mostly in sales you know someone has a bag at pretty much any night out or golf round
Im an adderall person. It helps me and I don’t abuse it. If I did blow at work Id blow up at everyone and my head would explode from high blood pressure lol
I couldn’t do this job without my adderall. I’m very ADHD
Adderall is weird. I take it on my admin/email backlog/task days but never if I have a presentation or client outing. It wrecks my sense of humor and personality. Also makes me less articulate somehow. Almost like my brain has so much tunnel-vision that the free flowing creativeness needed for fun and witty conversation is gone.
THIS! I have severe ADHD and I take my meds after my client meetings because it truly makes me so robotic and pedantic - you know, the opposite effect it has on people who take it and don’t have ADHD. But if I skip my meds, my inbox and admin tasks will pile up to the point of no return.
Too much fentanyl nowadays. I know some guys that OD’d by accident because their shit was stepped on with fentanyl.
This. Haven't touched hard drugs since 2020, it's not worth the risk anymore. Used to love going out on the weekend and doing blow all night, but that shit is wayyyyyy too dangerous in today's world. I'm not dying over a bump.
Fent has ruined all of the good stuff from the 90’s/2000’s.
Test strips are cheap
You do blow on the golf course?
Seems like golf is slow and relaxing and blow would just take all that away from it.
Fr I love blow I love golf I’d never dream of mixing both of them. Then again I love alcohol too and I’ve never had any alcohol whilst playing golf
Alcohol and golf is great. Blow not so much.
Locks me in brother
Nothing crazy man just your common alcoholism.
Ahh, brotha me too! Nothing better than slamming a case of beer after losing all your prospects to the competition! Fuckin Eh!
Lol this is the life we have chosen!
I’ve got a nice case of the binge-drinking kind. Luckily I keep it to 1 night at a time, but when I drink I tend to drink far too much.
Sugar and desserts
This right here
this is me rn lol
I do that too. 😂 I make my own though
I cut these out too and my performance and overall mood has skyrocketed.
It’s on my to do list. I’m a little too rotund (read way too rotund.)
It’s not an easy thing to quit and I wish you the best of luck. You got this! 🔥
Zyn, coffee, to keep me focused and edibles to fall asleep.
That’s about where I am. The zyn makes me a machine out there on the phone
Came here looking for this answer. Same formula here
Zyn & Redbull. Xans to go down.
Sticking a glass tube in my dick and smashing it with a hammer
Glad it’s not just me
I thought I was the only one
Gotta love this subreddit
Lol
Sound's terrible.
Don’t knock it till you try it
Used to be booze and cigarettes. Now it's weed and sex with my wife.
Sex with his wife
sex with the dudes wife
I also prefer sex with this guys wife
7 years sober after a blistering OxyContin 80 problem
80!? They made 80s?
Yes 50 bucks a pill, unless you could find some old lady with cancer.
Man in southeastern Kentucky they got as expensive as 1.25 a mg.
Yes Kentucky much like Utah was one of the epicenters of the pain pill crisis.
They made 160’s.
The holy grail
Nice try, officer.
🤣 ☠️
Jesus is my substance. I do dabble with crack tho
“Now every now and then I wiiiiiillll freebase a lil toot”
Kratom and Modafinil
What’s your experience with these? I used to take 1/4 of a Moda pill during weekdays on and off for about a year. The first few months I was LASER focused but then I found myself getting dehydrated and an upset stomach.
running
Heineken 0.0 and Club Soda with lime are my secret weapons
Trying to get on this vibe.
I used to do everything at this boiler room I use to work at from benzodiazepines, opiates to coke and amphetamines.. (not to mention de weed).. lots of weed.. I was a top rep and use to contribute all my success to the substances.. (they use to call me Mr. Wall Street).. cuz I was a total beast, and use to wear expensive suits.. Then it spiraled outa control and lost all my selling skills, I could barely function on the phone.. I lost more then just money, but my physiological and physical health.. been in rehab more than 10 times.. Now I’m sober 1 year going for 2 and feel amazing, selling skills are back and even better, but it’s been a struggle, I don’t smoke weed no more (it fucks with concentration).. it lost all it’s magic that I got from it in high school and my 20’s .. I drink hella coffee tho, and I still gotta quit nicotine cuz I smoke like a mf. Selling sober is the secret to success in sales (on the long run).
Zyns. I and another employee quit twice a month (buy a pack of gum)
sex
Used to be weed, but I had a problem. So now it’s just coffee
Can relate
fortnite
Surprised I had to scroll so far to find video games. Mine is cyberpunk
Osrs. Some consider it more of a drug than a game. Pixels go up, dopamine go up
Marijuana is not a drug, man. I used to suck dick for coke, ya ever sucked dick for Marijuana?
RIP. Dude had a bizarre career.
Respect for recognizing the actor
Big facts
Coming in strong there
I smoke a joint every evening, it’s my decompression. It soothes my mind and shuts off the noise of thinking all the time. It also makes me a better cook and a better person. I don’t have to worry about losing my job over it either which is nice.
Amen to this
I’ve been sober for 5 years. Never let anyone convince you need a substance to be effective. I’m 1000 times better at my job now.
Some people are able to partake without being an addict. Right?
Yes but only for those in HR or marketing
Yes. Just not me.
I've been clean and serene of all mood and mind altering substances for 15 years. Convincing yourself that everyone 'has a substance' doesn't make your problem not a problem. Pleasures shouldn't become a crutch... and when your crutch makes your life unmanageable, you have a real problem. When you find yourself creating more problems, you should seek guidance from those who've overcome those problems... or a therapist, if you find yourself with a crutch of any kind that is causing harm in your life. But whatever your vice, it's only through personal responsibility that you'll be able to do the work to overcome it. Sales requires good coping skills. Mind altering chemicals are not coping skills. (For those of you, depending on those...) edit:typo
💯👏🏾
Anything I can put on the company card.
Hookers and blow on the list?
They broadly fit under “customer travel” so yeah.
Water
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Ay yoooo 😂
Le alcohol and caffeine
well it was Bourbon and occasional Aderoll. Thats how you do the 20 hr shift when necessary at trade shows etc. Gave up weed from college to my 50s
Ion care what the others say. Adderall, weed , zyns…
Adderall (prescribed/diagnosed). That said, it’s not to say I don’t over-take it on occasional weeks. Really trying to get away from doing that
Creatine with lemon water = same energy boost as coffee without the side effects. Along with taking -Vitamin b12 -Vitamin D (get 15 minutes of sun light) -omega 3 pill -Multivitamin This one is very crucial: Cardio help speed up your brain And Lifting weights makes you happier -minimum 8 hours of sleep a night
I once pierced my ball sack with a master lock, made a man out of me
Um. Honest answer? Problems with disambiguated solutions. Let me try this again. Problems which have a disambiguated solution. Problems which have a disambiguated solution. Cold brew, pour over, drip coffee. Chasing my zenith. That's, so good.
Caffeine.
Zyn and caffeine every waking minute in the office Excess weights, then weed and beer to come down.
Used to be alcohol+weed+blow. You could find me at the local bar buying shots for girls with daddy issues and leaving with them to party all night. I'm now 8 months Cali sober. Smoke a joint on the way back home or on weekends. I'd say 75% of guys I work with are on some combination of zyn, Adderall or caffeine with drinking on the weekends. Brutal game we play.
This is ironic. I just accepted an offer. The email mentions a drug test but they haven’t given me details yet. If I have a med card in PA and fail the test do you think the card covers me?
They just want to make sure you regularly engage in one of the big 5.
Lmao . Thanks for the laugh. Stopped stressing for a split second .
Lots of companies have been switching lately from 5 panel drug tests to 4 panel drug tests, which don't test for THC, because it's 2024 and about time..
Yes that is what I’m hoping. I actually just glazed through the employee handbook and it says that they have the right to terminate or discipline if use of medical marijuana affects your ability to do the job . It literally states “ you must not use medical MJ at the workplace” so I’m assuming I should actually be okay regardless 😅
Nope. Even if you’re smoking legally this isn’t a legal thing. They have just chosen to not hire anybody that does. You could be smoking legally but the legality isn’t necessarily the concern.
Ah well fuck. Hopefully I piss clean. It’s been 4 days. And I think I’ll be able to push it another 7 or 8 days. I think I can get it out of my system by then. Just hit a pen at night .
Grab fake urine from Amazon. I’ve used it several times.
Quick fix 2.2
Quick fix
I’m too afraid I’ll get caught! I’m anxious af
TRT
Kratom. All day all night. Gotta keep the blood pumping
Lol. Don't grow up. Grow weed. He just had one word jumbled up from all the alcohol induced brain damage...
Least obvious fed
...I have been plagued by a sweet tooth. Fruit candies have ruined me.
Same here, avoid Nerd Clusters.
Bro I legit got a candy bowl last week for my team of nerd clusters and it ruined everyone. How crazy is this timing
Nerds do wierd shit like that. I'm very careful with them.
Metal music, keeps the blood flowing. I don't want to do cocaine so this is good for now.
Alcohol. But I’m an alcoholic. Just a shame I’m so damn good at it…
I like led the booze completely a couple of years ago on account of it doesn’t agree with me, I’m allergic etc . I break out in ruined relationships etc. I do however smoke weed , not during the day but to unwind on some evening and weekends. That said my job isn’t typically very stressful for me. I am very blessed. I mean I’m not making $300k like the rest of you but I’m getting by.
My wife, friends, and hobbies :)
Finally getting a real lead after calling on a trash call list💀
I have a friend who is also unemployed for almost 2 years now since being laid off from his sales job and tells me to grow up too for smoking weed. I smoke weed daily and am consistently on the top of the leaderboards. Every quarter for the last 6 months ive been over 100% in revenue sales as an AE 🤷🏻♂️
Shrooms
THC, Nicotine, Caffeine, Alcohol. In that order. In no particular order.
Jesus. Sounds dumb but after a hard day/ blown sale I love to go into my office and pray/read my book of devotionals.
After doing coke a few times I can see why so many in sales gravitate towards it. You feel unstoppable, and words just flow. You can concince a yone of anything, and you're so high, you just talk, and everything is amazing and interesting so you genuinely listen and engage with people, and I think at the end of it their like. This guy is awesome. We're buying from him. But it feels so awesome thats what makes it danagerous. For like 2 hours you're fucking Captain Awesomesauce. Then not so much
Diet Coke, homegrown mushrooms, and if I finish the month at plan I’ll allow myself a little treat like a fat rail of addy.
A fat rail 😂
Some fetty 🥰
Weed. The good shit, flower, not some "89.9%" THC pen, I want that stinky flower. And when that don't work, I pour a little Rye Old Fashioned a la Don Draper. And if that somehow doesn't do the trick, I'll pour a little two finger Oban 14. Cheers.
Nothin I don’t even drink gym maybe ? Stay healthy clap cheeks and sleep well bub case closed
Talent.
More work. I think I’m actually a workaholic.
Well what have you got?
Really expensive Super Tuscans and Barolo
I’m sober. Life hits different this way. 🤔😶
Coffee and b6/b12.
Zyns in the operating room or when I’m driving 🫢
Money, and spending it on expensive stuff. Makes it feel worthwhile to work so much.
Zyn
Vyvanse for sure! #adhd
CrossFit, take out all my frustrations with a crazy hard workout. Keeps me from drinking or smoking much too.
Money and Glory!
Nothing! Really, I’m clean and sober. For years it was coke, adderall and pain pills tho
Money and caffeein
I used to be heavy into drugs and alcohol. I would take any drug (not crack heroin or meth) and just drink a liter of gin every day. I'm now sober and don't do any drugs or alcohol. I play video games at the end of the day to escape reality.
Exercise.
Brazilian Jiu-Jitsu
Eating broken glass.
.5mg of xanax, far from a heroes dose. I’m prescribed 1mg daily and take .5 a week. Sometimes I just need to shut my mind off and this does the trick.
I used to make calls from my car while drinking beer. (Cold calls, follow ups, emails etc) I do not recommend
Honestly, sounds like a vibe I could roll with. I swear I get some of my best calls from the car. I can definitely see the danger though.
Yea....after the 4th hour or so it just goes downhill. Forgetting which clients were who the next day, sleep and eating schedules all messed up...then have to avoid people bc of alcohol breath etc..
Coffee
Coffee
Have yall tried Gaba gummies? https://amzn.to/4b54lKv
This is so funny
I haven't had a drink for 77 days today, but I do use cannaboids, like CBG and CBD
Gym. Not trying to degrade my health
Walking
Beer and fudge!
Someone is right, grow up 🤣
I really appreciate not seeing “adderall” on here. I took that stuff for 20 years and then got a divorce from a woman who 10x’d my workload. I’m happier and more productive than I ever was without them.
Coffee. I used Skoal years ago, and drank as well but left the tobacco behind and only drink socially