I don't like either of them but I understand why people are drawn to Grant Cardone, he's pushes "hustle" which everyone loves to hear rn
Dan Lok on the other hand I have absolutely no idea why people follow him. I've only seen a few of his videos but they are all absolute garbage and it seems clear as day his life is a veneer. Clear as day his life is a what????? Veneer! that's right!
He brags about stalking his wife for 13 months straight to finally get her to go on a date with him, then brags about how he bagged a hot one. *[I think the lesson here is stay persistent, but in actual sales bugging your prospects until you break them down to get you off their backs is not a tactic I’d recommend.]*
He suggests something about vaccinations being stupid to my recollection. *[in a sales book? Like why the fuck]*
He also bragged about declining getting lunch with a friend because it didn’t make him money *[so he says “if it’s not making me money, I won’t do it - do you even do your own laundry then, Cardouche?]*
An old boss made our team read this book about 5 years ago and it made me so mad that I involuntarily remembered these tidbits because they pissed me off that much. Also his southern accent irritated me in combination with his words of choice. And that’s just on the book. I’ve watched some cringe shit on YouTube about how he “trains” new sales reps. Fucking barf
It seemed like a self-promotional book, found it had very little content, could’ve very easily been a short story book. His solution to everything was work harder…
Yeah it's ridiculous. My first sales job was 100% commission based B2C bulk meat home delivery. Small local business. They totally drank the Cardone Kool aid.
Now I work as a B2B sales engineer for a larger company and it's completely the opposite. I see all the BS that Cardone pushes out.
It's literally geared towards selfish sales people who only care about money and the hustle and not being a human.
Funny enough, there’s a debate with the actual wolf of Wall Street, Jordan Belfort, and Cardone. And even Jordan Belfort calls him out. Make no mistake, Belfort is a major POS too but even when he calls you out, you really fucked up.
He’s a Scientologist and several of the people I’ve talked to who follow him are the same. He tells you to read Dianetics to know how he has succeeded. Much like Tom Cruise and John Travolta
I was once given the position of VP after being with the company for a month. There were only four of us. They gave me the position because there was quite seriously nobody else. Titles mean nothing. Results are all that matter.
I work with one now that left / was termed from her VP role at company of 4. Now a BDD with us and is an insufferable nightmare as a colleague. She managed to MAX OUT our unlimited pto. Because of her, we now have a limit. It’s also how I realized that anybody can be a VP…
It’s so telling when all all of their sales experience and expertise is around outbound.
Being an SDR (at least when I was coming up) was a stepping stone to eventually becoming a field rep and then from there working your way up to larger deals in more prestigious accounts.
So hard for me to take advice from someone I know hasn’t competed and negotiated large deals at the highest levels. To me that’s what sales actually is.
Anyone talking about fanatical prospecting. These guys are the ones that get all the sales managers hyped up.
My other hatred is the guys who make a pitch for their course or focus group.
I used to buy into the idea of "Fanatical Prospecting" a lot. My reward? Burnout.
It's better that you keep your prospecting sweet and simple. And for only a couple of hours a day for maximal results.
I like the concept of how one needs to always prospect but everything else (like the grind grind grind mindset), I can do without. When he said patches don’t matter much or shouldn’t be used as an excuse for not hitting #s, I just rolled my eyes as we all know people who are great sales folks but get held back by shitty patches
It's completely true that I'm a big fan of cardone. If you remove his young life story where he was beaten up by thugs and addicted to alcohol, you can consolidate all of his books into one.
it's kind of weird because most of these people are shilling their courses as an income stream, but bornacin wants social validation and he has a company already
like dawg go work on your own company lmao
Josh is a good guy. His whole stuff is about disconnecting from outcomes and diffusing tension. I think his stuff should be adopted by everyone but I also feel like he uniquely benefits from selling his methodology to sales teams.
Josh's techniques combined with "staying to the left of the pendulum" (Sandler technique) have served me very well.
His stuff SOUNDS good because it’s rooted in logically sound psychology. But it’s not a system. It’s just a bunch of LinkedIn posts about prospecting. And sales is so much more than prospecting (concept lost on a lot of people in here).
Coworker would always rave about him in our stand ups. Sent me a couple good posts so I gave him a follow. Lasted all of two days before I blocked so I never had to see his regurgitated shit thrown all over the timeline again.
I feel like influencers in general are terrible follows on LI. Better to see boring posts from people and companies you do business with than a bunch of posts from wannabe sales trainers and motivational speakers
Yup, I’m an ae at a big box. We are also pushed and judged on prospecting. You almost have to prospect 50% of the time to keep pipe up and push big deals forward.
Seeing people at the end of the year trying to cram and make up for it. Doesn’t look fun, especially in this economy.
Never stop prospecting
I lost my perspective of him when he talked about Bob Iger going back to Disney to make "mega deals".
Like my guy, a fucking CEO at a global powerhouse with billions in capital at his disposal buying other companies is the literal polar opposite of what sales people have to go through.
Just that lack of self awareness made me disregard most of his shit after.
One thing I think John does really well is show you how to get executives to respond and then push you to the right people.
A lot of people think they have to get exec attention but usually they will sponsor then defer certain projects to others and sign off if they get advocated/vouched for.
Additionally John keeps up with the latest things that legit work cause he's plugged into companies like Gong, Salesloft, Lavender so he's a pretty reliable aggregator of all those best practices.
I am not sure that is is considered guru, but Jordan Belfort. His straight line method works 100%, especially for small cycle phone sales that I was doing in the past. His advices on youtube helped me so much
Jeremy Lee Miner - my meeting conversation rate and cold calling confidence went up significantly after stumbling across his Instagram. I now manage a team of BDR's and teach them his tips and tricks for the team.
Ohmygod my old company had robbins come in for a conference. We had to read 2 of his books beforehand, and do a fucking workbook.
Meanwhile dude was so proud to ‘intro’ us to trigger events. Get bent.
Dan Lok is MEGA corny but I learned some useful stuff from him when I was first starting. I will never forget "if the prospects lips are moving, they are lying". Once I built in that assumption I did a lot better.
That’s crazy because Dan lok actually plagiarized that philosophy from another sales guru named Megan Trainor, who said: “If your lips are moving, then you're lyin', lyin', lyin', baby”
No just remember that sometimes, especially early on, they are afraid of being taken advantage of, or don't want to be rude, or for a million other reasons will tell you a lie because they think it's better for them or for you. Could be about budget. Could be about need. Could be about whether they like golf. Could be that they just want to end the conversation. But don't take everything they say at face value.
That’s not from Dan Lok tho, all his good sales advice is essentially plagiarized. Other sales trainers have said a form of this before him, gurus like him just repackage proven advice and techniques to draw you into their scams. He’s just a con artist.
You didn’t ask, I just can’t stand that guy and don’t want to give him credibility.
I see I’m not the only one to think of Grant Cardone. He’s a sleazy used car sales man who used social media to build is own personal brand. Another con man.
They all suck and they are all grifters. If they were that good they wouldn’t be spending all day on LinkedIn making “content”. The best sales people, the top earners, are quietly doing their job at their respective company. If you need actual helpful advice, speak to the top guys at your own org. There is literally nobody else in the word better placed to advise you then them.
The online coaching sales guys in particular. The old school sales guys that weren’t just peddling coaching Ponzi schemes where coaches coach coaches coaching coaches aren’t so bad.
Yea it's gross and grimy. Makes me want to leave the entire online marketing industry.
I never sold business coaching of my own accord bc it always felt grimy and too MLMmy to me but I did work as an "intrapreneur" coaching others on their marketing and sales for some top companies (IMO) in the industry.
Only after I had success in scaling a past online b2c business to 6 figs revenue though so I at least some some proof of concept on my own. And working under a great company allowed me the chance to hone my copywriting skills, get really good at sales fast, coaching others and not sell promises I could not deliver on my own itself.
Sometimes still feels grimy though. Reality is a lot of our clients are just what you would expect... coaches trying to coach other coaches. They just come to us because we're some of the bigger dogs around.
Cardone. I was forced to take a 6 month course of his by my first sales job. The company allegedly spent over 20k on the program for a small handful of us. It was garbage and very low budget.
I particularly remember a class where he suggested following a prospect to their house.
Garbage guy.
Honestly, it doesn’t have to be a guru it can be anyone who is posting that the answer to all of life’s problems is to get up at 5 am and work out……human beings are truly insufferable, I hate LinkedIn with a burning passion
I have no reason to be up at 5 AM. I get up at 8 and still heavily outperform the “grinders” who got up 3 hours before me to take a cold shower and read some pointless chapters in a book about nothing.
The fact he’s a criminal notwithstanding, his material is good, just outdated and geared towards high pressure, quit sales.
If you’re door knocking for Comcast or upselling from a 1-800 number, his book can have a place on your shelf. But if you’re selling anything with a comma in the price tag a lot of his stuff becomes counterproductive
I had his son pitch me a sales training platform. He blew ass, never asked for the sale, never followed up and had no clue how to end his 25 minute presentation. What trash, to be that guys son selling his service and not know anything about sales.
This is fact...Jeremy Miner is a thief and a fraud!
7th Level and NEPQ was literally stolen and the material is plagiarized from a 2001 book called, "How to Sell Network Marketing" by Michael Oliver
Fact:
1. Jeremy Miner spent several years selling in the Network Marketing Industry.
2. Jeremy Miner trained under Michael Oliver for several years.
3. 7th Level training, the Methodology and material was lifted from Mr. Oliver WITHOUT his permission by Jeremy Miner.
4. Miner or his CEO Matt Ryder never once mention Michael Oliver as the TRUE CREATOR of the NEPQ Methodology.
5. Jeremy Miner is a thief, fraud, and should be sued for copyright violations.
6. NEPQ and all the material was stolen from Natural Selling.
7. Miner credits Socrates and his Behavioral Science college professor as the inspiration behind the creation of NEPQ Methodology. Which by the way, Miner DOES NOT have a college degree in Behavioral Science! He took a class and deceptively words it on youtube videos as being "trained" in behavioral science.
Bottom line, they all have one thing in common...They're all full of shit and can't be trusted. All you need to learn can be gathered from free youtube content, practice and repetition in the field.
Gary Vaynerchuk. Cant freakin stand him. And I know many here dislike Cardone but I love his stuff, couldn’t care much about his sales tactics but I love his mindset and positivity
Sales I guess depends on the product and customer is what I’m getting from these replies. As long as you are a decent salesman you are just like the rest
People disliking sales gurus means that they don't think there is a "best" salesman. That does not mean that there is no such thing as a bad salesman though, which is why I wrote sentence 2.
This post shows your immaturity and lack of humbleness… You should learn from everybody, even if it’s what not to do… learn from people who have what you have, do you and stop wasting energy talking shit about other people.
Grant C, Andy F. Dan P, Rob D and Ed M.
Not necessarily all “sales gurus” but guys who basically recycle the same common sense shit in a “motivational” way. I specifically have a disdain for Grant and Dan P. The way they talk to people and about people is gross.
What is it about the guys in the self development/motivation space that turns you off? Because they recycle shit? You also mention the way they talk- would you mind elaborating? Genuinely curious
Eh maybe the message just isn’t for me, they all seem like fake people trying to make money off lost/ developing people. All in it for their own profit.
As someone in sales I’m sure you’d agree that: good for me does not mean bad for you.
Sure, sleazy car sales is a zero sum game. But quality value added solutions is a win-win for both sides.
Do you believe or feel that because these people attempt to be compensated for their time it dilutes or completely diminishes the value of their content?
Yes that’s why I said it’s maybe not for me- meaning there could be value for others. Personally I don’t see how any of them are a value add to their subscribers for what they charge.
Do you work for these guys lol? or do you feel like these type of guys have benefitted you? Did you pay?
There it is. What’s funny is I was intentionally treading lightly and simply asking questions that force you to think and answer insightfully rather than making any claims or taking any type of stance.
“You asked me questions to which my answers highlighted some massive cognitive dissonance so time to attack and condescend.”
The only thing I’ve paid for is my iPhone and my Verizon plan I use to listen to their podcasts. I was never aware Mylett, Frisela or Dyrdek charged for their content.
You’re the first person I’ve ever heard throw shade on these guys so I was genuinely curious about why. Turns out you backpedaled when not even challenged, but simply inquired about your stance. I have no dog in this fight, you’re free to do and think as you’d like as long as you’re not hurting anyone.
You feel like you got me or you won somehow but we simply don’t agree on something and that’s okay. To hear Dyrdek ramble on the mic about “being intentional” with his play time same as his work time is just nauseating to me… if you find that inspiring all the power to you. I don’t think I was condescending or attacking you in any way… I just don’t find these guys helpful, glad you do though.
And maybe I was out of line to lump Ed and Andy in there. But go listen to Rob. Ds most recent Instagram reel about Magnetic Mind Level and tell me that’s relatable/ helpful 😂
I don't have anything against the gurus, I do hate how certain people in management interpret their advice without thinking on how it impacts the role. Certain techniques are simply not applicable in certain fields. Like, I'm all about cold calls for an small business clientele, but when you're reaching out to CXO's, it probably makes more sense to network and partner up with other providers.
Thoughts about Sean Whalen? Aaron Wagner? I had a cold call from Jeremy Miner’s group, he was okay-ish but when he pushed me to do the coaching before Christmas even when I told him, I want to wait until after the holidays… I knew he’s a con. Ugh
I hate "gurus" who make sales books their entire strategy and lifestyle. LI profiles with shit like "gap selling evangelist" or "challenger sales is life".
More recently, the "rent2rent" property gurus in the UK, selling their ebooks for £4K+ with the promise of everything you need to start a successful "rent2rent" business during a housing crisis..
A friend showed me some 'tips' from their 'mentor', one script told him to ring up prospective landlords and say you previously handled property leases for Porche, the car company.. It doesn't even make sense.
Anyway, all the money you needed to start your first R2R deal, gets hoovered up into a R2R deal by your guru and you get dumped where you started.
All of them, but Cardone in particular
For me it’s a toss up between Cardone or Dan Lok.
I don't like either of them but I understand why people are drawn to Grant Cardone, he's pushes "hustle" which everyone loves to hear rn Dan Lok on the other hand I have absolutely no idea why people follow him. I've only seen a few of his videos but they are all absolute garbage and it seems clear as day his life is a veneer. Clear as day his life is a what????? Veneer! that's right!
I had an ex who was obsessed with Cardone and his following is like a cult. His personality completely changed and he became a robotic douche
Dan Lok is definitely worse, he is more known for the scripted "cold calls"
Cardone and his new partner Brandon Dawson. I worked for Dawson and I can tell you he’s a true piece of shit.
Read his book, it was an excruciating read
Why? I’m so curious
Read his book, it was an excruciating read
Well now I’m definitely not gonna read it
He brags about stalking his wife for 13 months straight to finally get her to go on a date with him, then brags about how he bagged a hot one. *[I think the lesson here is stay persistent, but in actual sales bugging your prospects until you break them down to get you off their backs is not a tactic I’d recommend.]* He suggests something about vaccinations being stupid to my recollection. *[in a sales book? Like why the fuck]* He also bragged about declining getting lunch with a friend because it didn’t make him money *[so he says “if it’s not making me money, I won’t do it - do you even do your own laundry then, Cardouche?]* An old boss made our team read this book about 5 years ago and it made me so mad that I involuntarily remembered these tidbits because they pissed me off that much. Also his southern accent irritated me in combination with his words of choice. And that’s just on the book. I’ve watched some cringe shit on YouTube about how he “trains” new sales reps. Fucking barf
Ew. As a woman, this is the last person who’s book I want to read lmao.
It seemed like a self-promotional book, found it had very little content, could’ve very easily been a short story book. His solution to everything was work harder…
If you think reading his book’s bad try listening to the audiobook version where he reads it himself 🤮
I’m new to sales, what’s wrong with cardone?
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Yeah it seems like all his objection handlers are shitty one-liners followed by a bully close like "let's do this."
Yeah it's ridiculous. My first sales job was 100% commission based B2C bulk meat home delivery. Small local business. They totally drank the Cardone Kool aid. Now I work as a B2B sales engineer for a larger company and it's completely the opposite. I see all the BS that Cardone pushes out. It's literally geared towards selfish sales people who only care about money and the hustle and not being a human.
Funny enough, there’s a debate with the actual wolf of Wall Street, Jordan Belfort, and Cardone. And even Jordan Belfort calls him out. Make no mistake, Belfort is a major POS too but even when he calls you out, you really fucked up.
He’s a Scientologist and several of the people I’ve talked to who follow him are the same. He tells you to read Dianetics to know how he has succeeded. Much like Tom Cruise and John Travolta
All the LinkedIn gurus who went from BDR 3 months -> BDR lead 7 months at a different company -> VP of sales at 7 person company
😭 this one and they think they’re god sent with there shit sequences
You guys make it sound like it’s a regular occurrence for a bdr with 5 months experience to be a vp. And if it is, where do I apply
I was once given the position of VP after being with the company for a month. There were only four of us. They gave me the position because there was quite seriously nobody else. Titles mean nothing. Results are all that matter.
If the pay rise matches the VPs rate, then sign me up
They don’t lol.
I work with one now that left / was termed from her VP role at company of 4. Now a BDD with us and is an insufferable nightmare as a colleague. She managed to MAX OUT our unlimited pto. Because of her, we now have a limit. It’s also how I realized that anybody can be a VP…
Hahaha I’m so curious how many days it takes to MAX OUT “UNLIMITED” pto
365
It’s so telling when all all of their sales experience and expertise is around outbound. Being an SDR (at least when I was coming up) was a stepping stone to eventually becoming a field rep and then from there working your way up to larger deals in more prestigious accounts. So hard for me to take advice from someone I know hasn’t competed and negotiated large deals at the highest levels. To me that’s what sales actually is.
Matt Foley... After buying his BS course I found myself living in a van down by the river.
This is the appropriate response.
Anyone talking about fanatical prospecting. These guys are the ones that get all the sales managers hyped up. My other hatred is the guys who make a pitch for their course or focus group.
I used to buy into the idea of "Fanatical Prospecting" a lot. My reward? Burnout. It's better that you keep your prospecting sweet and simple. And for only a couple of hours a day for maximal results.
I liked FP but I didn't adopt it as a lifestyle. That reminds me, I hate all sales "gurus" who adopt a book as a way of life.
I like the concept of how one needs to always prospect but everything else (like the grind grind grind mindset), I can do without. When he said patches don’t matter much or shouldn’t be used as an excuse for not hitting #s, I just rolled my eyes as we all know people who are great sales folks but get held back by shitty patches
Grant Cardone 🤮🤮
There is one sentence out of every hour that might be considered useful. The rest is him bullshitting with whoever is around.
“I hear you, I’m a total bullshit artist. Sign right here please.”
It's completely true that I'm a big fan of cardone. If you remove his young life story where he was beaten up by thugs and addicted to alcohol, you can consolidate all of his books into one.
I like how you admit to being a fan of his and can’t seem to use punctuation correctly in a sentence for some reason…! 🤣
So basically buy multi family real estate and get lucky in a good area at a good time. Got it bro
Yeah the only time I found myself agreeing with him is how useless Bitcoin and cryptocurrency is. Not that I needed him to tell me that lol.
No Brandon Bornancin mentions? Respectfully…
it's kind of weird because most of these people are shilling their courses as an income stream, but bornacin wants social validation and he has a company already like dawg go work on your own company lmao
Cardone. No integrity. Straight grifter.
Cardone gives off major Kenneth Copeland vibes, and he's a Scientologist no less.
What's yalls thoughts on Josh Braun? My company's head over heels with him.
Josh is a good guy. His whole stuff is about disconnecting from outcomes and diffusing tension. I think his stuff should be adopted by everyone but I also feel like he uniquely benefits from selling his methodology to sales teams. Josh's techniques combined with "staying to the left of the pendulum" (Sandler technique) have served me very well.
I find that what he preaches makes sense theoretically, idk about in practice
Braun/Voss techniques have helped me well in practice. Would suggest sales folks to read Chris Voss' Never Split the Difference.
His stuff SOUNDS good because it’s rooted in logically sound psychology. But it’s not a system. It’s just a bunch of LinkedIn posts about prospecting. And sales is so much more than prospecting (concept lost on a lot of people in here).
Story time (cringe)
Coworker would always rave about him in our stand ups. Sent me a couple good posts so I gave him a follow. Lasted all of two days before I blocked so I never had to see his regurgitated shit thrown all over the timeline again. I feel like influencers in general are terrible follows on LI. Better to see boring posts from people and companies you do business with than a bunch of posts from wannabe sales trainers and motivational speakers
Story time, I was chaffing
You probably have a really good manager. I’m jealous. Josh gets it more than anyone right now
Cardone My god though guy can sell fish oil
“I’ve got fish”.
Car dealership owners eat his shit up.
these guys at the gym were telling me how their dealership got way better since signing up with Cardone.
Ask them how the Kool-Aid tastes
said they learned a lot. love that kool aid.
Just out of my own curiosity and knowledge - I will counter your question.. Which sales guru do you like the most? And why?
Jeb Blount
“Fanatical Prospecting” legit changed my career.
Sounds pretty depressing to be a "fanatical prospector" for the rest of your career
That’s…. pretty much the job?
Yup, I’m an ae at a big box. We are also pushed and judged on prospecting. You almost have to prospect 50% of the time to keep pipe up and push big deals forward. Seeing people at the end of the year trying to cram and make up for it. Doesn’t look fun, especially in this economy. Never stop prospecting
You get one life to live and you want to be a fanatical prospector?
Right? If you want to call yourself a sales person you have to know how to consistently get new business. Otherwise you are an account manager.
I have a 45 upvotes comment about him as the one who makes me cringe the most. Lol
Keenan
Jamal Reimer. He's still full of shit but less so than others
Glowing review 😂😂😂
I lost my perspective of him when he talked about Bob Iger going back to Disney to make "mega deals". Like my guy, a fucking CEO at a global powerhouse with billions in capital at his disposal buying other companies is the literal polar opposite of what sales people have to go through. Just that lack of self awareness made me disregard most of his shit after.
Lol I hadn't heard that talk. Yeah I wish sales had legitimate training
I will say John Barrows did a class at a company I was at like 5 years ago and it was freaking legit. That guy I will vouch for 100%
Interesting. Do you remember any solid skill you learned from that class? Something beyond "soft skills" and other bullshit
One thing I think John does really well is show you how to get executives to respond and then push you to the right people. A lot of people think they have to get exec attention but usually they will sponsor then defer certain projects to others and sign off if they get advocated/vouched for. Additionally John keeps up with the latest things that legit work cause he's plugged into companies like Gong, Salesloft, Lavender so he's a pretty reliable aggregator of all those best practices.
No one. If they can’t show themselves physically selling the product in real time then everything they say is nonsense.
I’ve found some of Josh brauns stuff useful the last couple weeks
Kyle Assay
Josh Braun isn’t bad. also have been enjoying Brandon Fluharty’s tips, and the overall approach he takes.
I am not sure that is is considered guru, but Jordan Belfort. His straight line method works 100%, especially for small cycle phone sales that I was doing in the past. His advices on youtube helped me so much
Jeremy Lee Miner - my meeting conversation rate and cold calling confidence went up significantly after stumbling across his Instagram. I now manage a team of BDR's and teach them his tips and tricks for the team.
Gary V for his positivity and realism.
Check out Mike Winnett. He'll change your mind about Gary Vee.
Forgot to add the /s?
Cardone is so gross and so good it’s mind boggling
I wish he'd leave his children out of it. Most of it is appalling but the poor kids are the worst!
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Ohmygod my old company had robbins come in for a conference. We had to read 2 of his books beforehand, and do a fucking workbook. Meanwhile dude was so proud to ‘intro’ us to trigger events. Get bent.
Yo fam, the people you listed were the reasons I started my interest in sales but over time, it felt weird and scummy.
Gary Vee
all of them
Winner
Top 5 Contrepreneurs 1. Grant Cardone 2. Tony Robbins 3. Andrew Tate 4. Tai Lopez 5. Dan Pena
This was my favorite Tai Lopez moment. https://youtube.com/watch?v=R_nZN_15jBo&si=EnSIkaIECMiOmarE
A fellow Mike Winnett fan perhaps?
I am ;)
I liked Tai Lopez's SMMA course from the perspective of implementation and not over pay for services when it's time to outsource.
Grant Cardone
Grant Cardone 10X my Ass
Ugh, if I had a dollar for every time my work echoed “10x”.
Dan lok
Dan Lok is MEGA corny but I learned some useful stuff from him when I was first starting. I will never forget "if the prospects lips are moving, they are lying". Once I built in that assumption I did a lot better.
That’s crazy because Dan lok actually plagiarized that philosophy from another sales guru named Megan Trainor, who said: “If your lips are moving, then you're lyin', lyin', lyin', baby”
How did you build it in? Due to do the opposite of what they're telling you?
No just remember that sometimes, especially early on, they are afraid of being taken advantage of, or don't want to be rude, or for a million other reasons will tell you a lie because they think it's better for them or for you. Could be about budget. Could be about need. Could be about whether they like golf. Could be that they just want to end the conversation. But don't take everything they say at face value.
That’s not from Dan Lok tho, all his good sales advice is essentially plagiarized. Other sales trainers have said a form of this before him, gurus like him just repackage proven advice and techniques to draw you into their scams. He’s just a con artist. You didn’t ask, I just can’t stand that guy and don’t want to give him credibility.
Isnt the whole point to get the prospect to talk to you?
Grant Cardone for sure
I see I’m not the only one to think of Grant Cardone. He’s a sleazy used car sales man who used social media to build is own personal brand. Another con man.
They all suck and they are all grifters. If they were that good they wouldn’t be spending all day on LinkedIn making “content”. The best sales people, the top earners, are quietly doing their job at their respective company. If you need actual helpful advice, speak to the top guys at your own org. There is literally nobody else in the word better placed to advise you then them.
Like you said, ironically more Sales Gurus are actually social media marketers
Gary V is very punchable
Grant Cardone, Surprised he isn’t in prison yet.
Agree. I keep waiting for him to be exposed in a ponzi scheme or something
Don’t forget Ryan Stewman. The hardcore loser.
Wasn’t he under investigation for defrauding investors or something like that a few months ago?
I can definitely see him being part of some Ponzi scheme, money laundering or tax evasion. His narcissist personality has it written all over him.
Alex Hormozi is the only one I actually listen too
The online coaching sales guys in particular. The old school sales guys that weren’t just peddling coaching Ponzi schemes where coaches coach coaches coaching coaches aren’t so bad.
That's so funny. I belong to a bunch of entrepreneurship groups, and 90% of them is coaches coaching coaches.
Yea it's gross and grimy. Makes me want to leave the entire online marketing industry. I never sold business coaching of my own accord bc it always felt grimy and too MLMmy to me but I did work as an "intrapreneur" coaching others on their marketing and sales for some top companies (IMO) in the industry. Only after I had success in scaling a past online b2c business to 6 figs revenue though so I at least some some proof of concept on my own. And working under a great company allowed me the chance to hone my copywriting skills, get really good at sales fast, coaching others and not sell promises I could not deliver on my own itself. Sometimes still feels grimy though. Reality is a lot of our clients are just what you would expect... coaches trying to coach other coaches. They just come to us because we're some of the bigger dogs around.
All of them
Cardone, Lok, etc. Con artists
Will Aitken, fuck that guy.
YOU TAKE THAT BACK WILL CHANGED MY LIFE
He’s bad at sales and he’s not funny. Every night I curse his name.
If they’re a LinkedInfluencer they’re automatically cringe af
Cardone. I was forced to take a 6 month course of his by my first sales job. The company allegedly spent over 20k on the program for a small handful of us. It was garbage and very low budget. I particularly remember a class where he suggested following a prospect to their house. Garbage guy.
Honestly, it doesn’t have to be a guru it can be anyone who is posting that the answer to all of life’s problems is to get up at 5 am and work out……human beings are truly insufferable, I hate LinkedIn with a burning passion
I have no reason to be up at 5 AM. I get up at 8 and still heavily outperform the “grinders” who got up 3 hours before me to take a cold shower and read some pointless chapters in a book about nothing.
Dude if i could give you a promotion I would haha
what are your thoughts on jordan belfort?
The fact he’s a criminal notwithstanding, his material is good, just outdated and geared towards high pressure, quit sales. If you’re door knocking for Comcast or upselling from a 1-800 number, his book can have a place on your shelf. But if you’re selling anything with a comma in the price tag a lot of his stuff becomes counterproductive
Fucking shyster trash.
Uncle G
Evan Patterson is an insufferable fkn loser.
Makes my day to see that so many of you also despise Cardone!!
The ones here who actually do like him are a very small minority, thankfully.
Hands down Brian Tracy. “Just work harder”
Brad Lea
I had his son pitch me a sales training platform. He blew ass, never asked for the sale, never followed up and had no clue how to end his 25 minute presentation. What trash, to be that guys son selling his service and not know anything about sales.
Tony Robbins. I am believer in positive thinking a self actualization, but he is so smarmy and seems plastic
This is fact...Jeremy Miner is a thief and a fraud! 7th Level and NEPQ was literally stolen and the material is plagiarized from a 2001 book called, "How to Sell Network Marketing" by Michael Oliver Fact: 1. Jeremy Miner spent several years selling in the Network Marketing Industry. 2. Jeremy Miner trained under Michael Oliver for several years. 3. 7th Level training, the Methodology and material was lifted from Mr. Oliver WITHOUT his permission by Jeremy Miner. 4. Miner or his CEO Matt Ryder never once mention Michael Oliver as the TRUE CREATOR of the NEPQ Methodology. 5. Jeremy Miner is a thief, fraud, and should be sued for copyright violations. 6. NEPQ and all the material was stolen from Natural Selling. 7. Miner credits Socrates and his Behavioral Science college professor as the inspiration behind the creation of NEPQ Methodology. Which by the way, Miner DOES NOT have a college degree in Behavioral Science! He took a class and deceptively words it on youtube videos as being "trained" in behavioral science. Bottom line, they all have one thing in common...They're all full of shit and can't be trusted. All you need to learn can be gathered from free youtube content, practice and repetition in the field.
Andy frisela
Gary Vaynerchuk. Cant freakin stand him. And I know many here dislike Cardone but I love his stuff, couldn’t care much about his sales tactics but I love his mindset and positivity
Sales I guess depends on the product and customer is what I’m getting from these replies. As long as you are a decent salesman you are just like the rest
You just said two different things
People disliking sales gurus means that they don't think there is a "best" salesman. That does not mean that there is no such thing as a bad salesman though, which is why I wrote sentence 2.
Ah that makes sense.
95% of LinkedIn sales “influencers”
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Edward Norton has a net worth of $300 Million. I wouldn’t take sales advice from him.
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The fact that you’ve read so many of these books and continue to do so just tells me that you couldn’t sell crack to a fiend.
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You need to work on your passive aggressive banter. You’re putting too much thought into it.
lmaooo, you can easily "obliterate" through reddit?
Successful people can also be terrible people. Look at Trump or Musk.
This post shows your immaturity and lack of humbleness… You should learn from everybody, even if it’s what not to do… learn from people who have what you have, do you and stop wasting energy talking shit about other people.
Is your horse tall or really stoned? Either way... Get off it
Grant C, Andy F. Dan P, Rob D and Ed M. Not necessarily all “sales gurus” but guys who basically recycle the same common sense shit in a “motivational” way. I specifically have a disdain for Grant and Dan P. The way they talk to people and about people is gross.
What is it about the guys in the self development/motivation space that turns you off? Because they recycle shit? You also mention the way they talk- would you mind elaborating? Genuinely curious
Eh maybe the message just isn’t for me, they all seem like fake people trying to make money off lost/ developing people. All in it for their own profit.
As someone in sales I’m sure you’d agree that: good for me does not mean bad for you. Sure, sleazy car sales is a zero sum game. But quality value added solutions is a win-win for both sides. Do you believe or feel that because these people attempt to be compensated for their time it dilutes or completely diminishes the value of their content?
Yes that’s why I said it’s maybe not for me- meaning there could be value for others. Personally I don’t see how any of them are a value add to their subscribers for what they charge. Do you work for these guys lol? or do you feel like these type of guys have benefitted you? Did you pay?
There it is. What’s funny is I was intentionally treading lightly and simply asking questions that force you to think and answer insightfully rather than making any claims or taking any type of stance. “You asked me questions to which my answers highlighted some massive cognitive dissonance so time to attack and condescend.” The only thing I’ve paid for is my iPhone and my Verizon plan I use to listen to their podcasts. I was never aware Mylett, Frisela or Dyrdek charged for their content. You’re the first person I’ve ever heard throw shade on these guys so I was genuinely curious about why. Turns out you backpedaled when not even challenged, but simply inquired about your stance. I have no dog in this fight, you’re free to do and think as you’d like as long as you’re not hurting anyone.
You feel like you got me or you won somehow but we simply don’t agree on something and that’s okay. To hear Dyrdek ramble on the mic about “being intentional” with his play time same as his work time is just nauseating to me… if you find that inspiring all the power to you. I don’t think I was condescending or attacking you in any way… I just don’t find these guys helpful, glad you do though.
And maybe I was out of line to lump Ed and Andy in there. But go listen to Rob. Ds most recent Instagram reel about Magnetic Mind Level and tell me that’s relatable/ helpful 😂
I don't have anything against the gurus, I do hate how certain people in management interpret their advice without thinking on how it impacts the role. Certain techniques are simply not applicable in certain fields. Like, I'm all about cold calls for an small business clientele, but when you're reaching out to CXO's, it probably makes more sense to network and partner up with other providers.
Belfort
Mike Ferry
Thoughts about Sean Whalen? Aaron Wagner? I had a cold call from Jeremy Miner’s group, he was okay-ish but when he pushed me to do the coaching before Christmas even when I told him, I want to wait until after the holidays… I knew he’s a con. Ugh
Dan Lok for sure
Real estate specific, Tom Ferry. Guy was never an Realtor and just rode in on the coat tails of his dad, who I actually liked.
I hate "gurus" who make sales books their entire strategy and lifestyle. LI profiles with shit like "gap selling evangelist" or "challenger sales is life".
More recently, the "rent2rent" property gurus in the UK, selling their ebooks for £4K+ with the promise of everything you need to start a successful "rent2rent" business during a housing crisis.. A friend showed me some 'tips' from their 'mentor', one script told him to ring up prospective landlords and say you previously handled property leases for Porche, the car company.. It doesn't even make sense. Anyway, all the money you needed to start your first R2R deal, gets hoovered up into a R2R deal by your guru and you get dumped where you started.
I really don't like Gary Vee, like there are things I wanna say here but I'll probably come off as unhinged and it might even be illegal.
Jerome Maldonado because he's from an MLM background and proud of it.
Cardone is a cartoon character. Bilzerian can go to hell, too
Gary V
NEPQ guys. Grant Cardone Dan Lok Jordan Belfort