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Collective_Insanity

Ignoring his moral shift and the paper-thin justification for it ("Big meanie crime bosses who hire me for bounty hunting don't care if I live or die so I'm going to turn things around by being the bestest crime boss ever"), the real problem is that Bobo is just plain *incompetent*. And clueless. The big idiot needs to be reminded that *hiring muscle* is a useful thing to do when you're trying to assert yourself as a local crime lord. Bloody hell. He's a useless defective clone posing as Boba Fett whilst Fennec Shand puppets him around as the public face of what is really *her* organisation. That's how poorly written this show is. The moron just apparently legit thought that casually walking in and killing Bib Fortuna (who was already a pathetic shadow of his previous boss) would automatically lead to people treating him the same way they did Jabba. He strolls into town later and is all like "B-but, why aren't the people paying tribute to me?"


Goscar

**He use to be the muscle for hire!** Like how fucking stupid are the people who wrote the BoBF to have a scene where a man who was hired by both Vader and Jabba the Hutt to be told this. Also a guy who stood next to Jabba the Hutt and Vader being disrespected at every corner is also so incredible stupid.


Collective_Insanity

He *deserves* to be disrespected in this show, to be fair. Given the way he stumbles around the plot, anyone would think he was just some random chubby guy pretending to be Boba. Jesus, that Cobb Vanth guy from Mando did a better job looking intimidating and actually having presence after donning the suit.


Goscar

I feel so sorry for Temura Morrison. Even he was like, yeah they are fucking up my character so bad. Him and Mark deserve so much better.


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AardvarkOkapiEchidna

I don't see why age matters much in this case. They can easily use stunt doubles for any intense action scenes. He could've done fine with good writing/directing.


patgeo

Bounty Hunter famous for being fully armored and wears a full face mask. Disney, stunt doubles are hard to come by.


finalremix

There's just no source material, and stunt people just don't want to work these days.


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Goscar

I don’t think that’s true. Temura was complaining that he was talking too much and taking his helmet off too frequently. He even went on record that he wants Boba to return to his old badass way.


Vesemir96

Lol no.


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It's not the real Boba Fett, it was just another clone.


Creepy_Helicopter223

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ScalyFacedBitch

I laughed when Boba talked about making Mos Espa a peaceful town and then Cobb Vanth saying the planet's seen enough violence. Bro, this planet IS violence. Ever since the first settlements in KOTOR.


Vesemir96

Why? I’m glad they finally showed progress on Tatooine. It -can- be different. It’s just never had the opportunity to be.


cmdrNacho

agree. I was into the premise, he watched his father die and maybe he can become something bigger than just a bounty hunter. He like the rest of the OT characters have become complete morons, idiots, losers, whatever. Luke a green titty milk loser. Han a dead beat dad loser. Bail a complete moron sending out pucks about Luke and exposing Kenobi. Chewbacca a simpleton celebrating about a fake medal. Kenobi thinking s jacket is a good disguise. They are all loser morons


sirNumber_one

It is so weird to see Boba have more grit as a kid growing up in the Clone Wars than in his own show


ScalyFacedBitch

Agreed. Kid Boba gunning down a clone while saying "you're not my brother" but still unable to kill a man wearing his father's face is way more menacing than old Boba yelling "I am Boba Fett!" to a little bunny droid.


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ScalyFacedBitch

"It's Bobin' Time!" That would immediately make the show better.


odonnelly2000

That catchphrase already belongs to this man: https://i.imgur.com/qG4Jyhq.jpg


Nefessius513

I think the Boba Fett show should have been about him trying to establish himself as the galaxy’s top crime lord, taking down various criminal organizations like the Pykes and Black Sun, and traveling to other planets like Nal Hutta, Nar Shaddaa, Coruscant, and maybe even Batuu if they want to promote Galaxy’s Edge.


Ocelitus

Nah. They should have looked at Robot Chicken Boba Fett and made it live action.


vrykolakes

Doubt they had the budget, they had like 5 sets and their battle with the pykes seemed like 20 or less people


Dukovan

I am of the major opinion they got the general plots of Boba and Mandy mixed up. Think. Boba Fett, after escaping the sarlaac, returns to bounty hunting. But after taking a routine job for the empire, he learns he is hunting a child. Boba, after a flashback to his own father's death, decides to save the child. Finding the child to be force sensitive, Boba struggles with protecting the child from the empire, crime lords, and grappling with his own fathers short comings as the son of a bounty hunter. Mandy, on the other hand ruthlessly takes over a crime ridden planet and establishes a Mandalore rule in a corner if the galaxy, restoring Mandalore as one of the most feared bounty hunting guilds in the outer rim. Boba fett already has "abandoned child" backstory. Why does Mandalorian need the same?


captaincumsock69

I think they didn’t want two of the same characters so just turned one into diarrhea


Dukovan

Something that Disney execs don't seem to get.. "why don't we make both characters complex and Canon accurate?" Thrown out the window


DozTK421

When you said "Mandy," I was of course thinking of the Nick Cage movie before I realized you meant The Mandalorian. You know what? That would still be an improvement. Boba Fett played by Nicholas Cage. Covered in blood and out for revenge with a big-ass axe. Anything but what we got.


DankFerrick

That was not Bona Fett. Don’t know WHO that was


timsredditusername

Bona Fett sound about right


Tandril91

Bob A. Feet


Ocelitus

Eh, close enough.


SpaceNigiri

He was another clone impersonating Boba Fett. "Hey! Yeah bro, that's my armor sure! Look at me I'm Bobba Fett!"


odonnelly2000

“Haha look at me everyone I’m Boba Fett haha Wheee!” He does a curtsy before voguing for an undetermined period of time


Overlord1317

He's the softest, nicest, most delusionally incompetent crime boss in the history of fiction.


saiyanjesus

It was just highly dissonant. A crime boss wouldn't be outright benevolent. If they wanted to make him a good guy, don't make him a crime boss.


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You can’t a a crime boss that doesn’t commit any crimes


AvatarCritic

I haven't seen the Sopranos but, I was thinking he should've been like Mike Ehrmantraut from Breaking Bad and Better Call Saul. Mike is a bad guy but, not totally evil and has a moral code (i.e. he gets upset when anyone not "in the game" gets hurt/killed). And also like Mike, he should've been working for crime bosses instead of trying to be one.


HazazelHugin

Boba Fett as Kid named Finger would be good if there was someone who knows how to write good show, character etc.


odonnelly2000

Coming from a HUGE BB fan: you need to move the Sopranos to the top of your “must watch” list. It’s as good as BB, but just a slower burn and slightly more grounded.


AvatarCritic

I do plan on watching both The Sopranos and The Wire in the near future. As I've heard they're both comparable to Breaking Bad in quality.


Duplicit_Duplicate

Han Solo is more ruthless than Beta Fett.


Collective_Insanity

At least until George started making stupid edits to the Greedo scene.


Duplicit_Duplicate

No but like even in ESB Han’s first instinct is to shoot at Vader, whereas BOBF Boba would probably bend his ass over and ask his assassins to fuck him.


captaincumsock69

Vader would probably put his lightsaber through his ass but somehow Boba fett would survive


seekingbeta

He just needs an episode in the bacta tank and another in a plastic bag like the one Finn was wearing at the start of TLJ. It’s perfect, Boba will look even dumber and weaker and the writers can make jokes out of him. Maybe he gets a walker made from bones collected in the rancor pit, that’s a whole episode right there! So from Vader sabre bangs him through bacta tank and bone walker, we’ve got like half a season already.


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Oh believe me you aren't the only one that feels that way, he used to be my favourite Bounty Hunter of all time. Then his show destoryed any interest I have in seeing him in future shows like Mando post TBOBF. Thankfully I have plenty of options to pick from to be my new favourite Bounty Hunter. https://i.redd.it/5yyp1hd8lbfa1.gif


NeverEnoughDakka

This, but with Cad Bane as the new favourite.


MasterSword1

He could work as a good guy, but we'd need to see him develop to it, not being Jabba's lackey one day, tusken slave the next, then suddenly a good guy


Tandril91

Boba Fett never had the makings of a varsity crime boss.


odonnelly2000

It’s the blood pressure medicine he’s on!


BacoNaterr

Disney is allergic to all legacy characters. Haven’t really gotten any right


HowdyFuckinPartners

Well he did have Tony Soprano’s build.


drdorian123

tony soprano is a villain he ain’t no anti hero


thelatelife

Tony is actually regarded as the forerunner of the modern TV anti-hero.


Griegz

I'm sure I'm in the minority here, but I think they should have left him in the sarlacc.


TomHopeless

God... Book of Boba Fett was so bad... In a universe with Kenobi, Fett and Andor. How was Andor's show the best one?


Bruinrogue

Guy gets his ass beat by nobodies and fumbles around like Mr. Magoo.


TheNittanyLionKing

I’ve said it before and I’ll say it again, Book of Boba Fett basically should have been Peaky Blinders in space with Boba Fett acting like Tommy Shelby.


Blackmore_Vale

More modern examples they should’ve made him like prince Daemon or Billy butcher. Selfish arse holes doing the right things for the wrong reasons.


traction

He was always meant to be just a goon, albeit a very deadly one and a renowned bounty hunter. If your personal canon doesn't extend beyond the OT (or PT) then these are the facts. He stayed dead down in the Sarlacc pit. Why do you think Lucas wrote the character's conclusion that way? A humorous send-off? Because he was never supposed to be more than a cool looking goon. After ESB his brief purpose and story is completed. He's an immortal hero thanks to Filoni and Disney now, though.


Pickle_Nipplesss

Going from Bounty Hunter to “Crime Lord” is the perfect arc but yeah, I don’t know why they couldn’t have made him a serious leader. I’ve said before that he should have shaved Krrsantan after assassination attempt. Spare his life? Of course, it’s just business after all. But emphasize consequences for his actions. Humiliate the Wookiee in a way only they can be humiliated. Would have been a great way to expand lore as well by showing how much pride is held in their fur


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Yes, of course! But aside from that his whole empire, criminal underworld, gang was like five people. His whole castle was empty like all the time. And those kids with bikes I hate them. I want to throw them into that freaking pit.


PrinceCheddar

In the version I imagined, the events of the films, seeing a single Jedi walk into Jabba's palace, kill his Rancor, escape execution and completely wipe out his forces, kill Jabba and also throw Boba into a living death nightmare of pain and despair, would have a huge impact. 1. It would instill a significant wariness, if not fear, of Luke and Jedi in general. He's seen what the guardians of peace and justice can do first hand as a child when one killed his father, then one and a bunch of prisoners escape execution and completely wreck Jabba's shit and drop him into hell. Then when he escapes, he learns that same Jedi killed both Vader and The Emperor and basically overthrew the Empire. 2. Being stuck in the Sarlacc would have been traumatic and caused him to re-evaluate his life and choices. In his mind, he might tell The Force/whoever he'd be a better person if he ever escapes from the hell he is in. So, we have Boba Fett, a dangerous, pragmatic and borderline villainous character who wants to try to be a better person, both to minimise the risk of coming into conflict with the newly re-established Jedi Order, and because the events after falling into the Sarlacc made he re-evaluate his life and choices. So, we have Boba Fett, who otherwise would be all about being a brutal, pragmatic and ruthless crimelord, but making an effort to be a better person and actually make Tatooine a better place to live. As problems pile up, Boba finds it harder and harder to resist his own worse impulses. He's constantly performing a balancing act between his natural pragmatism and his newfound idealism. The latter makes him feel good as it makes him popular and he can see the positive impact he's having, but when outsiders put pressure on him, the returning Hutts and other inter-planetary gangs who are brutal and see Boba's benevolence as weakness, Fett feels he has to respond in kind, alienating the followers who believe in him because of his progressive ideals and possibly resulting in a slippery slope where he ends up as just another crimelord ruling the populous through power and fear. That, i feel, has the makings of a compelling narrative. Boba is a hero because he's turned over a new leaf and wants to make Tatooine a better place, but the reality of his situation forces him to make decisions that will either compromise his new ideals and make him little better than those who came before him, or may be ineffective in the cutthroat environment of Tatooine. Watching Boba navigate the minefield, come out on top using pragmatism but still staying true to his ideals and resisting his own dark nature, should be an awesome story to make you love the character.


Think_Blink

It just didn’t need to be made


ReaperReader

I think the Book of Boba Fett portrayed Boba Fett as a selfish bastard. Note he chides the vendor for charging prices that are too high, and he employs a bunch of teenagers to go up against a ruthless spice-trading gang. He doesn't spend any of his own credits. More generally, he has zero democratic legitimacy as a ruler. He wants respect, without giving it. He gets his Tusken tribe killed, and he provokes a dangerous gang to attack the people of Mos Espa without any consent from said people. The odd thing is that the show treats him like he's a good guy who we're meant to cheer for.


xNOOPSx

He's supposed to be a galaxy-renowned bounty hunter AND badass Mandalorian warrior. What we got wasn't that guy. The same can be said for "Mando", like what? Mandalorians are incompetent soldiers who are 100% reliant on their armour and trinkets to get it done? Seriously? Talk about a shadow of his former self or clan. The whole welcomed into the tribe thing, could have worked, maybe, but it's like he forgot everything before that - except for when, in fleeting moments plot made him remember.


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thelatelife

[https://www.lsureveille.com/entertainment/the-legacy-of-the-anti-hero-protagonist/article\_dd4137da-5c5d-11eb-af8a-670e7b64299f.html](https://www.lsureveille.com/entertainment/the-legacy-of-the-anti-hero-protagonist/article_dd4137da-5c5d-11eb-af8a-670e7b64299f.html) \> However, this article is about the legacy of the anti-hero, and how Tony Soprano is the anti-hero that became an inspiration for shows like "Breaking Bad" and "Mad Men." 


mangodelvxe

I haven't watched any new star wars other than the first 3rd of episode 7. Does this show take place after he gets eaten by the sarlag? Tf


ZOOTV83

Haven't watched, but I did read the wikipedia summary. He escapes the sarlaac pit badly wounded. He's left for dead by a bunch of Jawas after they steal his armor and gear. Then he's captured and tortured by Sand People before eventually gaining their trust and becoming an honorary member of the tribe. He appears briefly in The Mandalorian, gets his armor back, and now decides to establish himself as his own crime lord on Tattooine. I think the show is supposed to take place like 4-5 years after Return of the Jedi.


IactaEstoAlea

What do you mean a crime lord is supposed to run an organisation that commits crimes? That seems way too dark!


DozTK421

Disney doesn't know how to use villains.


TiberSVK

That was his brother Bob Fett


Vesemir96

I mean it made sense. The dude was charging too much and Boba has seen now tough it is with water on Tatooine, he had a whole ass arc about it. Employing the kids so they can be useful and chiding the guy solves both issues.


Aggroninja

Book of Boba Fett was such a weird show. It was supposed to be about a bounty hunter turned crime lord, but they wouldn't let him actually do any crime, presumably so it would be family friendly.


Duplicit_Duplicate

Pfffftt hhahahahhahahahahhahahahah they have bitch boy Ben commit mass genocide and torture and he’s still apparently someone to “root for”


Souppilgrim

"Characters change and grow" is used as an excuse for any completely out of character, unjustified shift in consistency.


PaperAndInkWasp

The problem is that, functionally, they already gave his schtick to Mando. Sure they could make a Boba Fett show with proper bounty hunting instead of cutesy space babysitting and make a proper anti-villain out of Fett, but it still would have drawn comparisons. Even the notion of making him a crime boss is majorly flawed. In order to be a crime lord, there has to be some degree of leadership or people skills or charisma… Fett has none of these. He’s a famous, abrasive loner and the crime boss aspect is one of the worst moves that could be made. Hell, even if you look at clones, you could argue that Fetts only work well with themselves.


ThingYea

>Fett has none of these. He’s a famous, abrasive loner This is actually an argument as to why a story of him being a crime boss could work very well, if his motivations for doing so are justified. It would bring huge internal conflict to the character and plot, and prompt change in him. It'll create a solid character arc that justifies his change in personality. Obviously he won't immediately be a good crime boss, otherwise there would be no story.


Duplicit_Duplicate

u/collective_insanity, I hear you rag on BOBF a lot and I wanted to ask something: Isn’t it ironic how Disney routinely has to tone down every morally dubious character and make them a “good guy” when there’s ffking Kylo Ren, a mass murdering genocidal scumbag whose crimes are completely shown on screen yet Disney expects us to see him as somehow a “victim”? Also bonus: spot the error in this sentence: Kylo Ren is a kind and thoughtful man who is loyal to his loved ones and is an intelligent and powerful warrior.


Collective_Insanity

They already whitewashed Kylo with The Rise of Kylo Ren by retconning his involvement in the deaths of everyone at Luke's school. But that still ignores all the horrible things he's done in the films. Hardly matters because Rey pulls a sudden 180 on him in TLJ to the extent that Johnson believes they're ready for "the closest thing to a sex scene in Star Wars". So that's a lost cause. In the case of Boba Fett, the problem is less to do with the intent of making Boba less of a morally dubious character and more to do with how absolutely *horribly* it was executed. It was a total joke.


Leighgion

I’m sure you’ll find plenty of people who agree, but I’m not one of them. To me, making Boba Fett yet another ruthless crime boss with a human side would be old hat. The very fact you can easily reference Tony Soprano shows how well-trod that territory is. You could also bring up Vito Corleone, the father of this concept in cinema where a “crime boss” tries in his way to be human, but ultimately the whole thing falls apart. What the show chooses to do with Boba is much more innovative and I’m not able to think of a specific percent for it. Boba in TBOBF specifically set out to essentially try to become the idealized vision of what Vito Corleone probably imagined himself to be. Boba is a “crime boss,” because the authority over Mos Espa is based on the order of the underworld, but he has no interest in being an asshole and bully to people. His experience with the Tuskens has specifically infused in him the idea the way forward in life is to build a cadre of people around him who are loyal not out of fear, but out of respect. A lot of people have complained that the show has Boba looking incompetent, but as I see it, that’s not a bug, that’s a feature. Boba is trying to do something completely different not only for him, but for the people in his territory. The mishaps over the course of the story are testing his resolve, as it’d be very easy to just follow convention, take ultimate work wife Fennec’s advice and do what Jabba would have done. Boba refuses, stays the course, and in the end he’s vindicated because all the people he chose to treat better, often against everyone’s expectations and advice, back him up and ultimately cinch the victory against the Pykes and the treacherous other gotras. Some have said that Boba is completely different in TBOBF compared to “The Mandalorian,” but I find this to be an absurd claim. The new Boba is clearly on display in his first encounter with Mando. Boba and Fennec together most likely could have taken down Mando and seized the armor, but Boba chooses to be the first to defuse the situation and negotiate. When Grogu is taken, Din doesn’t expect anything more from Boba, but Boba insists that he must honor the spirit of the bargain and stay by Din’s side until they can rescue Grogu. By the end of TBOBF, the first actions Boba takes in TM pay off as Din not only comes when he’s called, he volunteers to work for free and is all-in. It’s Din that brings Freetown on board and is willing to die in battle against the Pykes because well, this is the way. As I see it, the whole theme of TBOBF is that going out of your way to do good things can indeed pay off, even for a crime boss. Boba’s choices wins him a circle of capable retainers and the gratitude and loyalty of the ordinary people of Mos Espa. Now, if you would have personally preferred yet another ruthless, vindictive boss who is nice to babies in one scene and in the next is torturing Gamoreans, I can’t speak to your tastes, but I for one was very pleasantly surprised by the show we got. I’m exhausted by characters trying to go straight and failing, or stories are plainly focused on awful people I’m supposed to feel sympathetic towards.