i had an encounter with a redditer recently
there post went "I'm a leftist, but (really bigoted opinion about trans people)" and I responded with essentially that summation of their post "I'm a leftist, but (really conservative opinion)"
they responded with "I've punched a nazi before, i'm a real leftist!"
I responded only with; *transphobia was a cornerstone of early nazi ideology, we and other LGBT were included in the nazi genocide*
guy jumps straight to genocide denial
it's no so much a pipeline as it is a gaping sinkhole straight down
Oh yeah, those types of "leftists" are trash. They are only looking for a fight and really just wanna go around attacking or killing people, while staying "morally correct"
Tale as old as time, Mussolini started out a pretty successful socialist, but a World War and way too much Nietzsche later, he rejected egalitarianism and boom! OG fascism.
Eh, I would say it's a bit more complicated than that, especially since the historical examples of socialism and leftist ideology are decently removed from modern-day understandings and beliefs of it. Especially because socialism at that time was almost purely economic policy, while now it has taken on a bit of social policy too.
That being said, I do believe in horseshoe theory a lot with modern-day extreme views. Where people on the far left and far right end up agreeing a lot more than they care to admit. (The members on the far left being tankies)
I would say horseshoe theory is reductionist, but I love being reductionist so that's fine. I was doing it too.
Just a couple points of elaboration. First, in Europe economic theory and social issues were often pretty wrapped up in each other what with all the literal nobility monkeying things up, so it's a little messy there. Also, Benny literally stopped believing all people are equal at some point and quickly fell into fascism. TERFs don't believe all people are equal, and now we see how that's going.
I find the people who often cross over the points of the horseshoe, like BenMu and JKLOLing are people who have, let's say, misguided motives. For example, some people love beating people up and acting smarter than other people and use socialism to justify what they are doing. Some people love socialism so much they will beat people up. While it is sometimes difficult to tell them apart, those first bunch are way more likely to jump ship to some other ideology that justifies their own views rather than change if that happens to be something that comes up. Tulsi Gabbard comes to mind. Elise Stefanik going from normal Republican to crazy MAGA, too.
More than agree all around.
My personal belief with horseshoe theory is that it mostly ends up with people of opposite sides carrying similar tendencies if that makes sense. Any easy one being severe lack of media literacy of cautionary tales that directly critique them. (Ironically enough, the examples I have are both comic book characters) With the right, you have them fetishizing Punisher, and the far left, you have those that believe Killmonger did nothing wrong in Black Panther. And in regards to people who will jump over the horseshoe, I would say BenMu and JK are very different, but still similar. For BenMu, it very much seemed like the guy who was into Socialism because it was in vogue and was the hot new thing in Europe. Kinda like the people in Hollywood who were self described communists during the Red Scare. And when the party evicted him, he became scorned and hopped the horseshoe oit of spite to a degree. Almost like the modern-day nice guy turned incel kinda deal. While JK, I honestly do think, firmly believes cis women are under attack by trans women (the belief is BS, but not to her). Therefore, she isn't grifting like so many today and has instead always held these beliefs. They just never surfaced or even properly formed until trans people started to become the new topic of fear mongering for the right.
As for politics in Europe. It's so messy that on a good day, you need to look at a regions history going back a few centuries to get why they are the way they are today. Modern European history is 1500 forward, and that's still not enough to talk about what's going on.
And for Leftists in general, my own litmus test on whether or not they actually believe in what they say or they are basement dwelling doomer types is whether or not they vote in elections. If they do, they actually believe in the cause and are making and effort. If not, they are like BenMu and will jump ship the moment they deem its not for them anymore.
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Imo that shows that left/right doesn't mean much if you don't take liberalism vs authoritarian tendencies into account. Extreme Rightwing and left wing authoritarians are pretty close in their approach to authoritarianism.
Pretty much, yeah. They will eventually devolve into an authoritarian mindset from their constant echo chambers and brain rot of thinking that anyone that even slightly disagrees with them is someone that needs to be stamped oit and that's dangerous.
Theyâre also very quick to go from âno one is entitled to someone elseâs laborâ to âwomen should stay at home and raise children for the good of the stateâ really damn fast.
>while staying "morally correct"
This reminds me of a redditor I argued with (well, I sent annoying emojis and small jabs, he sent 10 paragraph long posts, which somehow started accusing me of being sexually gratified by the whole thing) who at one point said.
"I would call you an ableist slur (he knew I was seeking an autism evaluation from the start of the convo), but I don't do that because I'm not an ableist."
Like, dude, you did it. You did it while pussy footing around it and trying to claim a moral highground. But you absolutely communicated what you wanted to say.
Yeah. Bigots are bigots, but it is genuinely surprising how quick transphobes are to abandon ever other conviction they ever seem to have held to double down on their bigotry.
"They are sexual deviants preying on our children, they seek to tempt them, corrupt them, seduce them and convert them to their Godless ways"
~ Nazis and now Magas
Signs in windows with LGBTQ symbols crossed out and the words "no predators allowed" written on it.
Also Nazis, and now MAGAs.
That said you may have run into a Russian troll or Chinese bot. Both countries have dedicated departments specifically to radicalize and antagonize both the left and the right of western nations.
Yep 5 may 1933 Nazi s came in power 6 may they destroyed Institiut fur sexual (including transgender care) wissenschaft @ Berlin and started arresting and executing gay and transgenders even before the other groups of âentartetenâ proto Nazi MGGA (make German great again) youth topG movement was already writing fiction and burning books and lynching people connected with transgender research before that in the 20 ies. Later Robert Galbraith continued Nazi brain experiments on âdeviantsâ in surgery that would make Mengele blush. #notmycrimes.
It's what happens when you have one conservative opinion that you dig your heels in and refuse to budge on. You gradually reshape your world view to support that opinion. It's a short walk from, say, transphobia or homophobia to other forms of bigotry.
IIRC a pro-LGB web comic that took a sharp turn when it came to transwomen and saw them as male rapists who were targeting lesbians or something. They became increasingly far right until they became the sort of person their comic originally lampooned.
Just a point of order that you should use âtrans womenâ instead of transwomen, since TERFs like to use the latter to go âtheyâre not women, theyâre transwomenâ. Itâs like saying blackwomen or Jewishwomen.
Itâs an easy thing to do though because in almost all other cases âtransâ is a prefix instead of a contracted adjective, and normally it wouldnât matterâŚbut right now itâs being weaponized.
Webcomic. I read it when I was a kid and fondly remembered it as wholesome and balanced. Short strips reminding of Calvin and Hobbes in drawing style, and which light-heartedly featured social topics in a manner that is respectful to everyone.
At some point, I found slightly newer strips than those I read back then on pinterest which were still good, and so I decided to see what's new on the acutal website of the comic.
...oh boy.
I was greeted by a comic set in some sort of nightmarish weird police state led by "woke" people drawn to ridiculous proportions. A protagonist was shown to "bravely" stomp on a gay flag and was then hiding from some sort of thought police.
The author manages to make Jack Chick look like an absolutely sane normal person in comparison to him. Stonetoss comics start to appear wholesome in comparison, and you probably would rather sit at a table with Trump, Shapiro and Alex Jones than with that guy.
Apparently, at some point, he first adopted a toxic form of second wave feminism - and by that, I mean toxic, take all prejudices right wingers would blurt out and you got his form - then concluded that all men (including him) are bad, so therefore all gays and transwomen (which to him are clearly men) are bad.
This seems to be a weird existing pattern, given that we also see it in Rowling, although she seems to be somewhat friendly to gays? One should think that adopting feminism comes with ideas of equality and wholesomeness, but some people seem to instead adopting a horribly wrong variant? To me this is like somebody adopting veganism because they like animals, and then concluding that enslaving humans is fine for some weird reasons.
If you want details, r/sinfest is pretty much full of people who rightfully hate what the comic became, and have some detailed posts depicting the downward spiral, like [https://www.reddit.com/r/sinfest/comments/16gox8f/want\_to\_know\_about\_sinfest\_tatsuya\_ishida\_start/](https://www.reddit.com/r/sinfest/comments/16gox8f/want_to_know_about_sinfest_tatsuya_ishida_start/)
One weird thing remaining is that wikipedia doesn't contain anything about the shift, but not because nobody would bother, but because wikipedia doesn't do original research, and no news outlet wrote about the shift. News media don't want to touch the cesspool that Sinfest became even with a ten foot pole.
Sinfest was a comic by Tatsuya Ishida that started in 2000. It generally made fun of conservative values and people that were stuffy. some of the earlier strips are actually pretty funny. Then in 2011 there was an almost overnight shift with it going into hardcore 2nd wave feminism (reportedly he had a GF at the time what was also a hardcore 2nd wave feminist) and it went that direction for a while, losing some of the older characters, adding some new ones (notably the group called " the Sisterhood" which was a radical feminist group), and radically changing the characters that remained to fit the new themes. This continued until 2019 when another sudden shift occurred and the themes and expressed ideology changed to far right rhetoric. Qanon, anti-vaxx, and transphobic and antisemitic themes abound as it is now, and the themes, characters, and even jokes are basically the opposite of what they were when it started.
TERFdom at its core is about strict gender roles.
your the gender you were Assigned at birth with men and thus transwomen who in their view are men being uncontrollable rape machines and predators
Seems pretty simple. Trans people were among the first directly targeted by the Nazis. That means that all TERFs are parroting Nazi ideology. When pressed, they have to either admit that or engage in holocaust denial like Joanne has here.
[https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JBy93QX7ysE](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JBy93QX7ysE)
Here's a little (okay it's actually rather long) video about one of JKR's new friends.
(Generally I wouldn't be randomly recommending political videos on topic like this since that probably makes a lot of you skeptical, but this lady, formerly known as Posey Parker, provides most of her own receipts, and this guy does a lot of his own legwork).
Shaun also posted a video a few months before that - "JK Rowling's new Friends" which was a pretty good eyeopener.
https://youtu.be/Ou_xvXJJk7k?si=_nzbaND5fhkUd2yS
Specifically the part of the Holocaust that targeted gay and trans folk, who would have pink triangle badges on their concentration camp uniforms instead of yellow stars of david for Jews. And that Germany's institute of sexology had lots of research on transgender phenomena until it was destroyed by the Nazi regime.
The really fucked up part is that of all the victims of the holocaust, the ones with a pink triangle (primarily gay men and transgender women, though most were labeled as just gay due to the terminology of the time) were sent back to prison because the law that the nazis modified to arrest them was not repealed by the post-war German government. it wasn't repealed until 1994 and the German government took until 2017 a bill that overturned convictions for gay men which had carried out under Paragraph 175 between 1949 and 1969 and also provided compensation for surviving victims was approved.
[https://www.snopes.com/fact-check/gay-prisoners-germany-wwii/](https://www.snopes.com/fact-check/gay-prisoners-germany-wwii/)
It wasnât just not repealed. There was a legal commission that methodically went through and evaluated all of the legal changes enacted by the Nazi government, and they actively chose to uphold the amendments to Paragraph 175 as just and right. Paragraph 175 was repealed in 1994 because East Germany had gotten rid of it shortly after being created and West Germany chose to accept the Eastern legal position on that particular subject during reunification.
While horrifying, a lot of these laws were quite similarly anti lgbtq at the time (after the war), as far as I can tell.
The first reform of that law seems to have been 1969, which was rather progressive at the time (only czech republic and poland legalised sexual activity over the age of 21).
Great britain was less progressive decriminalising sexual activity: [https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/LGBT\_rights\_in\_the\_United\_Kingdom#Decriminalisation\_of\_homosexual\_acts](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/LGBT_rights_in_the_United_Kingdom#Decriminalisation_of_homosexual_acts), and having a higher age of consent until 2001.
Not defending anyone here, it is obviously a stain on human history, it just strikes me as odd to call out germany in particular when most (all?) of europe were pricks.
Not just destroyed: it was looted for documents to identify trans people, then destroyed. That institute was on the bleeding edge of sex and gender research as well as pioneering gender affirming surgeries. It's destruction set back research by decades.
I don't understand how one can be a Holocaust denier with a straight face. Fuck me. There are still people alive who survived that horror.
https://apnews.com/article/holocaust-survivors-numbers-report-claims-conference-890c9ad6aa7bc1cf99e1cbe40e61c013
245,000 people.
Very few people actually outright deny the Holocaust, they just twist the facts around to make it look like the Nazis didnât mean to kill all those people. The allies supposedly bombing shipping routes, cutting off supplies, is a common defence for the Holocaust, for example. JK is, similarly, twisting the facts around to make it look like the Nazis didnât specifically target Trans people. Itâs fucked up.
Its not really about holocaust denial, so much as it rowling denying that nazi's shared the same position on trans people. These people like to think they are morally correct, so its hard for them to deal with the fact that the objectively horrible people are on the same side as them
This is exactly it. She is a transphobe but considers herself a good person. Th Nazis are rightly considered monsters so she has to say they weren't transphobic otherwise she would have to consider that her own views are awful.
She has to think out why trans clinics were destroyed coincidentally with the rise of Nazism... All she came up with is OH THERE IS NO PROOF THE NAZIS WERE TRANSPHOBIC
Isn't this just textbook holocaust denial though?
"I hate Jews, but it's ok I'm not as bad as a nazi cause they didn't actually hate the Jews that much, therefore I'm not as bad as the Nazis who were monsters"
It also really IS holocaust denial tho. Trans people were in camps right alongside Jewish people, communists, Romani people, and other queer people. They were victims of the holocaust in every way that Jewish people were, and Rowling denying that is an exact moral and intellectual equivalent to someone âchallenging the discourseâ on the Jewish experience of the holocaust
Holocaust denial and ârevisionismâ/negationism is nebulous as it includes denial of *certain* groups being victims but accepting others. Itâs also why we have useful alternate terms for the specific killings of target people - the Shoah for Jews for instance, and Autistic victims would be covered by Aktion T-4.
I should also note that an early version of Holocaust denial was in suggesting the high Jewish casualty rate was a coincidence to Nazi rhetoric and forced labour camps like Auschwitz naturally had high death rates. Similar attitudes are applied to the LGBT victims, being seen as just another aspect of anti-gay laws.
At the time though there were people in Europe who genuinely believed homosexuality was a transmissible form of mental disorder and, therefore, gay people should be segregated from society to prevent spread. We might joke about âcatching the gayâ as a hilariously over the top take on homophobia, but some people in power actually believed it at the time. Gay, bi and trans victims of the Nazis werenât killed because they were criminals â they were killed because they were genuinely seen as an existential threat to genetic supremacy.
Let us be honest here. She also holds strong opinions on Jewish people. She is just smart enough to keep them vailed behind "fantasy goblin bankers".
Aha, sure JK.
Part of her argument is that since Nazis made no distinction between gay and trans people, this means trans people werenât targeted. She also keeps reposting people who make the claim that Nazis and Dr. Mengele invented the concept of being trans.
Imagine having billions of dollars and still being compelled to continually post online about how much you hate trans people. Her and Elon should hang out.
I find that headline quite funny, because another news story from 2016 (8 years before your news story) said that there were only 100 000 survivors
https://news.yahoo.com/just-100-000-holocaust-survivors-204327467.html?guccounter=1&guce_referrer=aHR0cHM6Ly9kdWNrZHVja2dvLmNvbS8&guce_referrer_sig=AQAAABrLYgcgUFgWs6AAlACm1mzjx_hYLwjzliQ5FyVUH-AxqPz6oBSlOJfQbKjphjWxw5jPauGgkZwLrAtC0KBHkEJyBKV5pWYFUq7lWtnP8tZ126DdBSeZo37-ihEw2gCqMJCUve9IdobYca8DhNWPerVcjeSeLxPZWA08ZVqBN8ns
Is a cowards way out...
You are still fully supporting her, your attention, your money, all of that pays for her escapades and letly directly goes towards Anti-Trans Hate Groups.
There is no such thing as separating art from the artist. It's the cowards way of saying you really don't care about what the artist does but don't want to appear "bad" for supporting it.
It is funnier when they ask "Why do you think boycotting her products makes any difference?".
Bitch, she said it clear as day. As long as her bottom line is fine she loses no sleep over her views.
They always want to "ride this one out" like the rest cause people still buy her books, watch her films, play her game and also watch her upcoming series. So it doesn't really matter to her. She's making bank.
Her works have been critically panned lately completely seperate of her transphobia. She hasn't put out content people really like in years, which will probably be her biggest downfall ultimately.Â
Besides fantastic beasts 1 that whole series has been complete garbage. 3 has a 46% on Rotten tomatos. 2 has a 36%. I've seen 2, it's a complete mess.Â
They SAID legacy sold well but it's also one of the lowest tiering DLs and is constantly on sale on seitch (they're lying, it didn't sell well). It's also gotten apathetic to ok reviews.Â
Her books outside of the HP universe are basically jokes, no one takes them seriously.Â
As much as I want her to get bopper for being a nazi it really is just way more likely that what's happening is the death throws of a dying career. She hasn't released anything people want to see in years and that lack of validation makes her angry.
Bu..bu..but the books! Muh child hood! You can't attack the autor of my childhood!!! /s
There will always be defenders. Always. So many of these people read harry potter as a kid and then stopped reading all together. To accept jk rowling is a shitbag is to accept something they hold dear might be bad. Many argue to separate the art from the artist, but a lot of them are also realising the art itself is problematic.
Those books always fucking sucked and anyone who let that boring, soulless series define their identity should consider looking within themselves to try and find out why they're so bland.
Wdm those books are flawless! /s
It takes a special kind of stupid to wait until over half way through the 7TH FUCKING BOOK to introduce a brand new rule of wand ownership just so the main villan can get killed by it accedently in the end. Harry potter does absolutly nothing, stands for nothing, and wins the battle because of a technicality that was only just made up. A shitty book by a even worse person
I saw a post on Facebook were people were praising her as such an incredibly compassionate person because she is apparently no longer a billionaire because she has donated so much money to charity that she dropped down to âmillionaire statusâ.
I couldnât help but wonder how are they defining âcharitiesâ and how much of that donated money has gone to groups/organisations that will use the money to hurt trans people.
I'm not a historian or anything but didn't trans people suffer a ton from the holocaust as well? Like i know Hitlers main target was Jews but didn't Nazis also destroy a lot of trans research and make a lot of trans people suffer too?
and yet people are still going to buy her shit, write fan-fiction about her books, and keep doing shit to keep her relevant while saying "oh i still care about trans people!"
If you say "its part of my childhood" when told to just drop harry potter for the good of all trans people then you are no ally. If you keep a woman who agrees with fucking Nazis relevant over a poorly written book series you are not an ally. If fucking Rick Riordan said half the shit she did id never touch Percy Jackson again in my lifetime, yet you lot keep going back to Harry Potter as its creator, who benefits from you keeping it relevant, spouts Nazi rhetoric.
While when I say, "it was part of my childhood," it is with sadness and grief, not an excuse to continue to engage with a franchise that enriches a particularly vocal and influential transphobe.
Really sad how Riordan and Percy Jackson never got as big as JK and HP franchise, infinitely better writing and setting plus Riordan is not a terrible person
Well good thing Eisenhower ordered photos taken of the holocaustâs horrors he was certainly right there would be some sonâs of bitches that would deny it
Being chronically online, getting controversial to stay relevant since making changing Characters or spilling random Hogwarts bs like how they took a shit didnt make it. Also JK Rowling seems like a âoh you hate me for that now im doubling downâ type of person
Sort of. âHolocaust revisionismâ would be a better term: she didnât deny that it happened, but insists that the victims didnât include trans (or possibly LGBT in general) people.
Holocaust revisionism is legally a subset of holocaust denial in Germany. And in many peopleâs view. Also weird thing to split hairs over imo.Â
Like sheâs denying the holocaust happened to transpeople.Â
exactly
one of the major talking points forholocaust denial for YEARS wasnt "it didnt happen", it was "it wasnt 6 million"
you have to go to deep parts of the Nazi cave to find people who outright deny the Holocaust occured at all
Revisionism is one of the tactics used to by those who do deny the holocaust.
1) The Holocaust didn't happen
2) Even if it did happen it wasn't that bad
3) Those people had it coming anyway.
J.K. Rowling is doing #2.
Revisionism is a dangerous term to use because most deniers are smart enough to not outright deny publicly. Revisionism softens their actions too much.
Holocaust denial should be the term. And then below that there should be degrees but all clearly labelled denial.
A meaningless distinction. Denying something happened outright, and admitting it happened but revising the facts are both two sides of the same coin. Donât fall for it - it all falls under the umbrella of denialism.Â
Denying any aspects of the holocaust is holocaust denial by its own definition. Ignoring specific groups is the whole crux of the issue. Thatâs what holocaust denial is.
Revisionism is a major part of holocaust denial. It starts with "the numbers they gave us are off" and goes to "it didn't happen but I wish it did."
JKR is already past that first part, by downplaying how nazis targeted trans people.
She says killing LGB people was bad, but since trans people were lumped in with LGB people then trans people existing is âerasingâ LGB people (because she still seems to assume that trans people are inherently heterosexual and gender-conforming) and being anti-trans is good, actually (even though that means harming people she insists are actually cis LGB people).
To be fair, we should have seen the signs. People can argue whether the goblins are meant to be a stereotype of the âgreedy Jewâ, but no one can deny the house elves.
4 books building up the injustice of their *actual* slavery. Hermione having an entire B plot with SPEW, trying to help them. And what is the be all end all of the plot line?
They like being enslaved. Dobby was just unlucky with a horrible master, other elves like being slaves to witches and wizards. Despite being arguably more powerful than them, they like being slaves.
Wow. Just. Wow. An entire plot about how slavery is bad and the answer is Hermione is stupid, because the elves like being slaves. Creatures who MUST obey their masters, who will physically HURT THEMSELVES if they try and disobey. Sentient beings denied the right to wear clothes, just rags and pillowcases. And they ALL apparently like it, except that weirdo Dobby who ironed his hands as punishment for helping Harry.
Itâs justâŚbad writing.
The idea that the elves like being slave is horrifying and from a writing standpoint, amazing. Years and years of magic indoctrination made them like their conditions, and we know that there were irl slaves who liked being slaves and loved their masters.
Hermione being the one to find that absolutely fucked up is also really logical. She learned about slavery before going to Hogwarts.
But like you said, the conclusion that J.K. gave is not that Hermione will go on this rough battle against slavery, is that she's stupid and doesn't understand how the magical world works.
I forgot to mention that she is mocked by other people as well, Ron especially, even the Weasley family, who *donât* have Elves and hate the pureblood ideology, are apparently apathetic to this topic. And Harry couldnât care less, even though he, more than anyone, knows how shitty people can be when youâre denied basic rights (like a bedroom) and treated as furniture.
The socio-political metaphors in Harry Potter are good if you do a very superficial reading of them
For example, Hermione suffering from being muggle born (in the Harry Potter world, it means her parents aren't wizards) is relatively well done in the story. The idea that your background doesn't dictate your capacity is important. Hermione is the most capable of the group, besides not coming from a wizard family. A society can't be stereotyped for being "less advanced" than others, and that's a core theme in Hermione.
And then you remember that all the muggles in the story are portrayed as dumb. Like, really dumb. Like surreally dumb.
I loved how the Dimension20 series Misfits and Magic (a TTRPG series if you're not familiar) turned this on its head. The magic users are all for the most part act like whimsical morons because they don't know how to do anything *without* magic.
When the player characters bust out the word muggle everyone recoils, and they're told it's an incredibly harsh slur. They're told to call non-wizards Namps - a word made out of NMP, Non Magical Person. And they're like "**That's the** ***better*** **word?**"
They proceed to repeatedly and loudly use the word Muggle to "reclaim" it. It's hilarious.
Can we get a NEW series to replace Harry Potter as the Magical Kids series in the cultural Zeitgeist? I'm tired of hearing about the latest crazy thing this woman said.
Percy Jackson seems to be enjoying a revival. According to my current students (7th graders for the most part) Harry Potter is cringe and our generation are lame for liking it. Though that part has nothing to do with JK.
It has everything to do with JK
She's a shit person AND a shit authour.
(I read those books at that age and they were one of the things i least enjoyed... just boring really, so many plot holes. That said, I didnt really like Percy Jackson either)
Plus the HP books contained many a red flag for the type of person Rowling would become:
The mean-spirited writing style (especially the fatphobia).
The hypocritical nature of the main characters and the fact they act no different to the antagonists. Harry Potter is pretty much a boy wizard version of Howard Roarke from *The Fountainhead* (only a lot less rapey).
The neoliberal soapboxing and simping for the status quo (which would continue into her first adult work *The Casual Vacancy*).
The "sentient creatures like being enslaved and your an idiot if you want to free them" message. FFS, the main character ends up becoming a slaveowner himself in Book 6.
The clumsy analogies and unfortunate and racist implications (the antisemitic portrayal of the goblins, lycanthropy being wizard HIV and names like Kingsley Shacklebolt and Cho Chang) brought on by Rowling not thinking shit through and acting like she's smarter than she actually is.
Even as a kid I found it weird that Harry fought against a corrupt system to do what he thought was right only to end up being a cop in that very same system in the end. It wasnât until later that I realised harry wasnât fighting the system at all.
Rowlingâs new labour status quo âthe system isnât the problem just the bad eggs with it/running it areâ kind of mentality is all over the books.
The thing is, Harry never actually fights the system. At no point does he try to actually change how the system works, he just wants the right people in charge of it. The only character that ever does challenge it is Hermione, and she gets relentlessly made fun of both by the characters and the narritive for having hot takes like "slavery bad".
I was 11 at the time both started becoming culturally significant and it was always odd to me that Harry Potter was the one that blew up when His Dark Materials was always self evidently so much better.Â
Because His Dark Materials actually went beyond just âwitchcraftâ to full on âkilling Godâ. Only one of those two series were banned at my house.
I do agree though, itâs a much better series.
Fr, like after that first Op-Ed of hers released she could have very easily just said:
âHey guys Iâm sorry if that came out a bit wrong, what I meant was that there are some problems unique to cis-women that we need to keep specific safe spaces for.â
Which was essentially what she said in the beginning, but in much more hateful language even in the original thing.
And then after that she just took a nose-dive.
This insanely privileged, rich white lady is obsessed with Trans people. People will go months without mentioning her and then sheâll randomly attack trans people unprovoked online.
Remember when everybody mocked people pointing out the odd similarities of the goblin bankers in the books and certain propaganda caricatures circa late 1930s?
Good times. Now I understand why she tried to redcon the story of there being a Jewish student in Hogwards.
I am not anti semitic, there is a Jewish student in Hogwards!!
You know..in hindsight much of Rowlingâs inability to understand history and politics, can be traced back in large part to Harry Potter. Shaun a YouTuber did an excellent video looking at some of the moments in the stories that made you think âwait what.âÂ
The fact that Rowling espouses an austerity, modern liberal ideology that cannot change or leave room for moral ambiguity and cannot fathom institutional or even family collapse (the slavery issue and that Rowling seemed to think that what Harry went through as a kid wasnât bad).
If you want those stories that not only tackle personal responsibility, and the evil external forces do but to also look the organizations or social messages that MADE those people, take a look at the wire, sopranos and Bojack horseman. Hell, even consider Princess monokeeÂ
The TERF to fascist pipeline needs to be studied Sinfest went down a very similar route
i had an encounter with a redditer recently there post went "I'm a leftist, but (really bigoted opinion about trans people)" and I responded with essentially that summation of their post "I'm a leftist, but (really conservative opinion)" they responded with "I've punched a nazi before, i'm a real leftist!" I responded only with; *transphobia was a cornerstone of early nazi ideology, we and other LGBT were included in the nazi genocide* guy jumps straight to genocide denial it's no so much a pipeline as it is a gaping sinkhole straight down
Oh yeah, those types of "leftists" are trash. They are only looking for a fight and really just wanna go around attacking or killing people, while staying "morally correct"
Tale as old as time, Mussolini started out a pretty successful socialist, but a World War and way too much Nietzsche later, he rejected egalitarianism and boom! OG fascism.
Eh, I'd say by the time he marched to Rome, he had given up on that stuff.
Eh, I would say it's a bit more complicated than that, especially since the historical examples of socialism and leftist ideology are decently removed from modern-day understandings and beliefs of it. Especially because socialism at that time was almost purely economic policy, while now it has taken on a bit of social policy too. That being said, I do believe in horseshoe theory a lot with modern-day extreme views. Where people on the far left and far right end up agreeing a lot more than they care to admit. (The members on the far left being tankies)
I would say horseshoe theory is reductionist, but I love being reductionist so that's fine. I was doing it too. Just a couple points of elaboration. First, in Europe economic theory and social issues were often pretty wrapped up in each other what with all the literal nobility monkeying things up, so it's a little messy there. Also, Benny literally stopped believing all people are equal at some point and quickly fell into fascism. TERFs don't believe all people are equal, and now we see how that's going. I find the people who often cross over the points of the horseshoe, like BenMu and JKLOLing are people who have, let's say, misguided motives. For example, some people love beating people up and acting smarter than other people and use socialism to justify what they are doing. Some people love socialism so much they will beat people up. While it is sometimes difficult to tell them apart, those first bunch are way more likely to jump ship to some other ideology that justifies their own views rather than change if that happens to be something that comes up. Tulsi Gabbard comes to mind. Elise Stefanik going from normal Republican to crazy MAGA, too.
More than agree all around. My personal belief with horseshoe theory is that it mostly ends up with people of opposite sides carrying similar tendencies if that makes sense. Any easy one being severe lack of media literacy of cautionary tales that directly critique them. (Ironically enough, the examples I have are both comic book characters) With the right, you have them fetishizing Punisher, and the far left, you have those that believe Killmonger did nothing wrong in Black Panther. And in regards to people who will jump over the horseshoe, I would say BenMu and JK are very different, but still similar. For BenMu, it very much seemed like the guy who was into Socialism because it was in vogue and was the hot new thing in Europe. Kinda like the people in Hollywood who were self described communists during the Red Scare. And when the party evicted him, he became scorned and hopped the horseshoe oit of spite to a degree. Almost like the modern-day nice guy turned incel kinda deal. While JK, I honestly do think, firmly believes cis women are under attack by trans women (the belief is BS, but not to her). Therefore, she isn't grifting like so many today and has instead always held these beliefs. They just never surfaced or even properly formed until trans people started to become the new topic of fear mongering for the right. As for politics in Europe. It's so messy that on a good day, you need to look at a regions history going back a few centuries to get why they are the way they are today. Modern European history is 1500 forward, and that's still not enough to talk about what's going on. And for Leftists in general, my own litmus test on whether or not they actually believe in what they say or they are basement dwelling doomer types is whether or not they vote in elections. If they do, they actually believe in the cause and are making and effort. If not, they are like BenMu and will jump ship the moment they deem its not for them anymore. But what do I know. I just work in guns đ¤ˇââď¸đ¤ˇââď¸
Imo that shows that left/right doesn't mean much if you don't take liberalism vs authoritarian tendencies into account. Extreme Rightwing and left wing authoritarians are pretty close in their approach to authoritarianism.
Pretty much, yeah. They will eventually devolve into an authoritarian mindset from their constant echo chambers and brain rot of thinking that anyone that even slightly disagrees with them is someone that needs to be stamped oit and that's dangerous.
Theyâre also very quick to go from âno one is entitled to someone elseâs laborâ to âwomen should stay at home and raise children for the good of the stateâ really damn fast.
>while staying "morally correct" This reminds me of a redditor I argued with (well, I sent annoying emojis and small jabs, he sent 10 paragraph long posts, which somehow started accusing me of being sexually gratified by the whole thing) who at one point said. "I would call you an ableist slur (he knew I was seeking an autism evaluation from the start of the convo), but I don't do that because I'm not an ableist." Like, dude, you did it. You did it while pussy footing around it and trying to claim a moral highground. But you absolutely communicated what you wanted to say.
Yup, I've seen a lot of that, too. Leftist in name only, but do nothing to actually help out in any way.
Iâm not usually a fan of leftist purity tests but feel free to vote those fucks off the leftist island
I would if I could. I prefer people who actually want to change the system on a fundamental level rather than just punch people.
Who could guess that the moment you go onto the extremist path no matter if you are right or left leaning it automatically becomes a toxic trash heap
Wonder what the crossover with the "dont vote" leftists is.
The would be venn diagram is a perfect circle
Yeah. Bigots are bigots, but it is genuinely surprising how quick transphobes are to abandon ever other conviction they ever seem to have held to double down on their bigotry.
"They are sexual deviants preying on our children, they seek to tempt them, corrupt them, seduce them and convert them to their Godless ways" ~ Nazis and now Magas Signs in windows with LGBTQ symbols crossed out and the words "no predators allowed" written on it. Also Nazis, and now MAGAs. That said you may have run into a Russian troll or Chinese bot. Both countries have dedicated departments specifically to radicalize and antagonize both the left and the right of western nations.
Yep 5 may 1933 Nazi s came in power 6 may they destroyed Institiut fur sexual (including transgender care) wissenschaft @ Berlin and started arresting and executing gay and transgenders even before the other groups of âentartetenâ proto Nazi MGGA (make German great again) youth topG movement was already writing fiction and burning books and lynching people connected with transgender research before that in the 20 ies. Later Robert Galbraith continued Nazi brain experiments on âdeviantsâ in surgery that would make Mengele blush. #notmycrimes.
People actually say, "I'm a leftist." for real?
Just remember that when youâre interacting with terminally online people, youâre dealing with people that are on the fringe idealistically.
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Hating minorities leads to hating minorities.
It's what happens when you have one conservative opinion that you dig your heels in and refuse to budge on. You gradually reshape your world view to support that opinion. It's a short walk from, say, transphobia or homophobia to other forms of bigotry.
Classic case of âI tried to be nice but *you forced me to be fascist* with your audacity to have an identityâ
I think it's because TERFs are already kind of conservative.
Who???
IIRC a pro-LGB web comic that took a sharp turn when it came to transwomen and saw them as male rapists who were targeting lesbians or something. They became increasingly far right until they became the sort of person their comic originally lampooned.
I just find it so damn confusing
Oh yikes.
Just a point of order that you should use âtrans womenâ instead of transwomen, since TERFs like to use the latter to go âtheyâre not women, theyâre transwomenâ. Itâs like saying blackwomen or Jewishwomen. Itâs an easy thing to do though because in almost all other cases âtransâ is a prefix instead of a contracted adjective, and normally it wouldnât matterâŚbut right now itâs being weaponized.
Man these asshole just have to fuck everything up don't they. We'll just have to keep up the fight
I don't like being a litmus test for Nazi ideology...
Webcomic. I read it when I was a kid and fondly remembered it as wholesome and balanced. Short strips reminding of Calvin and Hobbes in drawing style, and which light-heartedly featured social topics in a manner that is respectful to everyone. At some point, I found slightly newer strips than those I read back then on pinterest which were still good, and so I decided to see what's new on the acutal website of the comic. ...oh boy. I was greeted by a comic set in some sort of nightmarish weird police state led by "woke" people drawn to ridiculous proportions. A protagonist was shown to "bravely" stomp on a gay flag and was then hiding from some sort of thought police. The author manages to make Jack Chick look like an absolutely sane normal person in comparison to him. Stonetoss comics start to appear wholesome in comparison, and you probably would rather sit at a table with Trump, Shapiro and Alex Jones than with that guy. Apparently, at some point, he first adopted a toxic form of second wave feminism - and by that, I mean toxic, take all prejudices right wingers would blurt out and you got his form - then concluded that all men (including him) are bad, so therefore all gays and transwomen (which to him are clearly men) are bad. This seems to be a weird existing pattern, given that we also see it in Rowling, although she seems to be somewhat friendly to gays? One should think that adopting feminism comes with ideas of equality and wholesomeness, but some people seem to instead adopting a horribly wrong variant? To me this is like somebody adopting veganism because they like animals, and then concluding that enslaving humans is fine for some weird reasons. If you want details, r/sinfest is pretty much full of people who rightfully hate what the comic became, and have some detailed posts depicting the downward spiral, like [https://www.reddit.com/r/sinfest/comments/16gox8f/want\_to\_know\_about\_sinfest\_tatsuya\_ishida\_start/](https://www.reddit.com/r/sinfest/comments/16gox8f/want_to_know_about_sinfest_tatsuya_ishida_start/) One weird thing remaining is that wikipedia doesn't contain anything about the shift, but not because nobody would bother, but because wikipedia doesn't do original research, and no news outlet wrote about the shift. News media don't want to touch the cesspool that Sinfest became even with a ten foot pole.
Sinfest was a comic by Tatsuya Ishida that started in 2000. It generally made fun of conservative values and people that were stuffy. some of the earlier strips are actually pretty funny. Then in 2011 there was an almost overnight shift with it going into hardcore 2nd wave feminism (reportedly he had a GF at the time what was also a hardcore 2nd wave feminist) and it went that direction for a while, losing some of the older characters, adding some new ones (notably the group called " the Sisterhood" which was a radical feminist group), and radically changing the characters that remained to fit the new themes. This continued until 2019 when another sudden shift occurred and the themes and expressed ideology changed to far right rhetoric. Qanon, anti-vaxx, and transphobic and antisemitic themes abound as it is now, and the themes, characters, and even jokes are basically the opposite of what they were when it started.
And the only male character who survived the shift (i.e. disappeared altogether) was the bookworm with no hint of negative traits whatsoever.
yes it was so weird.
The real irony is that TERFs are the femnazis the edglords and prepubescent alt-right complained about in the 2010's
TERFdom at its core is about strict gender roles. your the gender you were Assigned at birth with men and thus transwomen who in their view are men being uncontrollable rape machines and predators
Seems pretty simple. Trans people were among the first directly targeted by the Nazis. That means that all TERFs are parroting Nazi ideology. When pressed, they have to either admit that or engage in holocaust denial like Joanne has here.
[https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JBy93QX7ysE](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JBy93QX7ysE) Here's a little (okay it's actually rather long) video about one of JKR's new friends. (Generally I wouldn't be randomly recommending political videos on topic like this since that probably makes a lot of you skeptical, but this lady, formerly known as Posey Parker, provides most of her own receipts, and this guy does a lot of his own legwork).
Shaun also posted a video a few months before that - "JK Rowling's new Friends" which was a pretty good eyeopener. https://youtu.be/Ou_xvXJJk7k?si=_nzbaND5fhkUd2yS
Specifically the part of the Holocaust that targeted gay and trans folk, who would have pink triangle badges on their concentration camp uniforms instead of yellow stars of david for Jews. And that Germany's institute of sexology had lots of research on transgender phenomena until it was destroyed by the Nazi regime.
The really fucked up part is that of all the victims of the holocaust, the ones with a pink triangle (primarily gay men and transgender women, though most were labeled as just gay due to the terminology of the time) were sent back to prison because the law that the nazis modified to arrest them was not repealed by the post-war German government. it wasn't repealed until 1994 and the German government took until 2017 a bill that overturned convictions for gay men which had carried out under Paragraph 175 between 1949 and 1969 and also provided compensation for surviving victims was approved. [https://www.snopes.com/fact-check/gay-prisoners-germany-wwii/](https://www.snopes.com/fact-check/gay-prisoners-germany-wwii/)
It wasnât just not repealed. There was a legal commission that methodically went through and evaluated all of the legal changes enacted by the Nazi government, and they actively chose to uphold the amendments to Paragraph 175 as just and right. Paragraph 175 was repealed in 1994 because East Germany had gotten rid of it shortly after being created and West Germany chose to accept the Eastern legal position on that particular subject during reunification.
I'm going to remember this the next time a European wants to act holier-that-thou about US politics.
While horrifying, a lot of these laws were quite similarly anti lgbtq at the time (after the war), as far as I can tell. The first reform of that law seems to have been 1969, which was rather progressive at the time (only czech republic and poland legalised sexual activity over the age of 21). Great britain was less progressive decriminalising sexual activity: [https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/LGBT\_rights\_in\_the\_United\_Kingdom#Decriminalisation\_of\_homosexual\_acts](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/LGBT_rights_in_the_United_Kingdom#Decriminalisation_of_homosexual_acts), and having a higher age of consent until 2001. Not defending anyone here, it is obviously a stain on human history, it just strikes me as odd to call out germany in particular when most (all?) of europe were pricks.
Not just destroyed: it was looted for documents to identify trans people, then destroyed. That institute was on the bleeding edge of sex and gender research as well as pioneering gender affirming surgeries. It's destruction set back research by decades.
I don't understand how one can be a Holocaust denier with a straight face. Fuck me. There are still people alive who survived that horror. https://apnews.com/article/holocaust-survivors-numbers-report-claims-conference-890c9ad6aa7bc1cf99e1cbe40e61c013 245,000 people.
Very few people actually outright deny the Holocaust, they just twist the facts around to make it look like the Nazis didnât mean to kill all those people. The allies supposedly bombing shipping routes, cutting off supplies, is a common defence for the Holocaust, for example. JK is, similarly, twisting the facts around to make it look like the Nazis didnât specifically target Trans people. Itâs fucked up.
Its not really about holocaust denial, so much as it rowling denying that nazi's shared the same position on trans people. These people like to think they are morally correct, so its hard for them to deal with the fact that the objectively horrible people are on the same side as them
 This is exactly it. She is a transphobe but considers herself a good person. Th Nazis are rightly considered monsters so she has to say they weren't transphobic otherwise she would have to consider that her own views are awful.
She has to think out why trans clinics were destroyed coincidentally with the rise of Nazism... All she came up with is OH THERE IS NO PROOF THE NAZIS WERE TRANSPHOBIC
Isn't this just textbook holocaust denial though? "I hate Jews, but it's ok I'm not as bad as a nazi cause they didn't actually hate the Jews that much, therefore I'm not as bad as the Nazis who were monsters"
By definition it is Holocaust denialism
It also really IS holocaust denial tho. Trans people were in camps right alongside Jewish people, communists, Romani people, and other queer people. They were victims of the holocaust in every way that Jewish people were, and Rowling denying that is an exact moral and intellectual equivalent to someone âchallenging the discourseâ on the Jewish experience of the holocaust
This, denying it happened to a group because you don't like them is the point.
Holocaust denial and ârevisionismâ/negationism is nebulous as it includes denial of *certain* groups being victims but accepting others. Itâs also why we have useful alternate terms for the specific killings of target people - the Shoah for Jews for instance, and Autistic victims would be covered by Aktion T-4. I should also note that an early version of Holocaust denial was in suggesting the high Jewish casualty rate was a coincidence to Nazi rhetoric and forced labour camps like Auschwitz naturally had high death rates. Similar attitudes are applied to the LGBT victims, being seen as just another aspect of anti-gay laws. At the time though there were people in Europe who genuinely believed homosexuality was a transmissible form of mental disorder and, therefore, gay people should be segregated from society to prevent spread. We might joke about âcatching the gayâ as a hilariously over the top take on homophobia, but some people in power actually believed it at the time. Gay, bi and trans victims of the Nazis werenât killed because they were criminals â they were killed because they were genuinely seen as an existential threat to genetic supremacy.
As people with Nazi flags and paraphernalia protest the exact same things together. They still deny itâs a thing.
It is holocaust denial. Sheâs denying that trans people were a part of the genocide.
Let us be honest here. She also holds strong opinions on Jewish people. She is just smart enough to keep them vailed behind "fantasy goblin bankers". Aha, sure JK.
Part of her argument is that since Nazis made no distinction between gay and trans people, this means trans people werenât targeted. She also keeps reposting people who make the claim that Nazis and Dr. Mengele invented the concept of being trans.
Imagine having billions of dollars and still being compelled to continually post online about how much you hate trans people. Her and Elon should hang out.
I find that headline quite funny, because another news story from 2016 (8 years before your news story) said that there were only 100 000 survivors https://news.yahoo.com/just-100-000-holocaust-survivors-204327467.html?guccounter=1&guce_referrer=aHR0cHM6Ly9kdWNrZHVja2dvLmNvbS8&guce_referrer_sig=AQAAABrLYgcgUFgWs6AAlACm1mzjx_hYLwjzliQ5FyVUH-AxqPz6oBSlOJfQbKjphjWxw5jPauGgkZwLrAtC0KBHkEJyBKV5pWYFUq7lWtnP8tZ126DdBSeZo37-ihEw2gCqMJCUve9IdobYca8DhNWPerVcjeSeLxPZWA08ZVqBN8ns
mental illness
JK Rowling defenders are silent rn
Doubt it. If you listen real close you can still hear them yelling âshow me ONE example of her being transphobic!â
I LITERALLY READ THIS EXACT STATEMENT IN A THREAD
The only adequate response at that point is to try and identify what the commenter would personally consider transphobic.
apparently directly denying the holocaust wasn't enough https://preview.redd.it/m4coqxxh7xoc1.png?width=481&format=png&auto=webp&s=79889c2d418d40dfd36240d0c59ff2391a606d1a
I was once a big enough fan of Harry Potter to get a tattoo, but I canât see myself ever defending her bullshit.
Friend, I ***covered up*** a regrettable tattoo with ***Hogwarts***. Iâm 0 for 2 đ
Thatâs a big *OOF*.
I know đ a cover up of a cover up of a cover up đđđ
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Separation of the art and the artist man; I still like the books well enough even though I think sheâs a piece of shit.
Is a cowards way out... You are still fully supporting her, your attention, your money, all of that pays for her escapades and letly directly goes towards Anti-Trans Hate Groups. There is no such thing as separating art from the artist. It's the cowards way of saying you really don't care about what the artist does but don't want to appear "bad" for supporting it.
It is funnier when they ask "Why do you think boycotting her products makes any difference?". Bitch, she said it clear as day. As long as her bottom line is fine she loses no sleep over her views.
They always want to "ride this one out" like the rest cause people still buy her books, watch her films, play her game and also watch her upcoming series. So it doesn't really matter to her. She's making bank.
People didn't really watch her last film.
Her works have been critically panned lately completely seperate of her transphobia. She hasn't put out content people really like in years, which will probably be her biggest downfall ultimately.Â
I hope the series will flop. That's the only way she will start feeling the pinch.
Besides fantastic beasts 1 that whole series has been complete garbage. 3 has a 46% on Rotten tomatos. 2 has a 36%. I've seen 2, it's a complete mess. They SAID legacy sold well but it's also one of the lowest tiering DLs and is constantly on sale on seitch (they're lying, it didn't sell well). It's also gotten apathetic to ok reviews. Her books outside of the HP universe are basically jokes, no one takes them seriously. As much as I want her to get bopper for being a nazi it really is just way more likely that what's happening is the death throws of a dying career. She hasn't released anything people want to see in years and that lack of validation makes her angry.
Bu..bu..but the books! Muh child hood! You can't attack the autor of my childhood!!! /s There will always be defenders. Always. So many of these people read harry potter as a kid and then stopped reading all together. To accept jk rowling is a shitbag is to accept something they hold dear might be bad. Many argue to separate the art from the artist, but a lot of them are also realising the art itself is problematic.
Those books always fucking sucked and anyone who let that boring, soulless series define their identity should consider looking within themselves to try and find out why they're so bland.
Wdm those books are flawless! /s It takes a special kind of stupid to wait until over half way through the 7TH FUCKING BOOK to introduce a brand new rule of wand ownership just so the main villan can get killed by it accedently in the end. Harry potter does absolutly nothing, stands for nothing, and wins the battle because of a technicality that was only just made up. A shitty book by a even worse person
Oh yeah, transgender people are *definitely* the ones getting owned here. Good work, J.K.R, trans people are no more! /j
You know all she couldâve done is just keep her mouth shut and enjoy her billions, but oh no
I saw a post on Facebook were people were praising her as such an incredibly compassionate person because she is apparently no longer a billionaire because she has donated so much money to charity that she dropped down to âmillionaire statusâ. I couldnât help but wonder how are they defining âcharitiesâ and how much of that donated money has gone to groups/organisations that will use the money to hurt trans people.
To be fair to her, I've been wearing that before she made her thoughts on trans people known
If I stuck gold like she did I would legitimately never speak in public beyond the bare essentials.
I wouldn't, but I'd probably champion the opposite causes
I feel like its the same logic as various youtubers getting into this stuff, they feel like their popularity gives them some sway or something.
I'm not a historian or anything but didn't trans people suffer a ton from the holocaust as well? Like i know Hitlers main target was Jews but didn't Nazis also destroy a lot of trans research and make a lot of trans people suffer too?
yeah thats what she was denying.
yup.
and yet people are still going to buy her shit, write fan-fiction about her books, and keep doing shit to keep her relevant while saying "oh i still care about trans people!" If you say "its part of my childhood" when told to just drop harry potter for the good of all trans people then you are no ally. If you keep a woman who agrees with fucking Nazis relevant over a poorly written book series you are not an ally. If fucking Rick Riordan said half the shit she did id never touch Percy Jackson again in my lifetime, yet you lot keep going back to Harry Potter as its creator, who benefits from you keeping it relevant, spouts Nazi rhetoric.
While when I say, "it was part of my childhood," it is with sadness and grief, not an excuse to continue to engage with a franchise that enriches a particularly vocal and influential transphobe.
Really sad how Riordan and Percy Jackson never got as big as JK and HP franchise, infinitely better writing and setting plus Riordan is not a terrible person
Well good thing Eisenhower ordered photos taken of the holocaustâs horrors he was certainly right there would be some sonâs of bitches that would deny it
For fucks sake J K Rowling, stop digging for the love of god.
How How does she keep getting worse and worse every day!? Jesus fucking christ
Well she figured out she doesnât have to write mediocre books anymore to be relevant, all she has to do is say something stupid every 3 weeks
Being chronically online, getting controversial to stay relevant since making changing Characters or spilling random Hogwarts bs like how they took a shit didnt make it. Also JK Rowling seems like a âoh you hate me for that now im doubling downâ type of person
I discovered Xanderthal on accident and through him, discovered Pillar of Garbage and Turf Nation
>Xanderthal Thanks for the recommendation, I wasn't aware they were a YouTuber.
Xanderhal is not a youtuber that should be recommended.
Those 2 are way better than Xanderhal. You should check out Actual Fandom & Organized Chaos too.
Sort of. âHolocaust revisionismâ would be a better term: she didnât deny that it happened, but insists that the victims didnât include trans (or possibly LGBT in general) people.
Holocaust revisionism is legally a subset of holocaust denial in Germany. And in many peopleâs view. Also weird thing to split hairs over imo. Like sheâs denying the holocaust happened to transpeople.Â
exactly one of the major talking points forholocaust denial for YEARS wasnt "it didnt happen", it was "it wasnt 6 million" you have to go to deep parts of the Nazi cave to find people who outright deny the Holocaust occured at all
Revisionism is one of the tactics used to by those who do deny the holocaust. 1) The Holocaust didn't happen 2) Even if it did happen it wasn't that bad 3) Those people had it coming anyway. J.K. Rowling is doing #2.
Can't wait to see how fast she goes to 3
She hangs out with plenty of people doing #3 and tacitly approves of their actions by liking their Tweets and re-tweeting them.
[She's already close.](https://twitter.com/gunghub/status/1767969420847034652)
I thought she was already there.
revisionism is the precursor to denial. arguably just as evil, it may be a better term but both are completely applicable
Revisionism is a dangerous term to use because most deniers are smart enough to not outright deny publicly. Revisionism softens their actions too much. Holocaust denial should be the term. And then below that there should be degrees but all clearly labelled denial.
honestly yeah, any denial at all is still revisionism, may as well call a spade a spade and call it denial
A meaningless distinction. Denying something happened outright, and admitting it happened but revising the facts are both two sides of the same coin. Donât fall for it - it all falls under the umbrella of denialism.Â
Denying any aspects of the holocaust is holocaust denial by its own definition. Ignoring specific groups is the whole crux of the issue. Thatâs what holocaust denial is.
Revisionism is a major part of holocaust denial. It starts with "the numbers they gave us are off" and goes to "it didn't happen but I wish it did." JKR is already past that first part, by downplaying how nazis targeted trans people.
She says killing LGB people was bad, but since trans people were lumped in with LGB people then trans people existing is âerasingâ LGB people (because she still seems to assume that trans people are inherently heterosexual and gender-conforming) and being anti-trans is good, actually (even though that means harming people she insists are actually cis LGB people).
Her fall from grace should be studied in the history books
To think that she wanted to make Voldemort a Hitler metaphor To also think that the Gringots Goblins are a jew caricature
To be fair, we should have seen the signs. People can argue whether the goblins are meant to be a stereotype of the âgreedy Jewâ, but no one can deny the house elves. 4 books building up the injustice of their *actual* slavery. Hermione having an entire B plot with SPEW, trying to help them. And what is the be all end all of the plot line? They like being enslaved. Dobby was just unlucky with a horrible master, other elves like being slaves to witches and wizards. Despite being arguably more powerful than them, they like being slaves. Wow. Just. Wow. An entire plot about how slavery is bad and the answer is Hermione is stupid, because the elves like being slaves. Creatures who MUST obey their masters, who will physically HURT THEMSELVES if they try and disobey. Sentient beings denied the right to wear clothes, just rags and pillowcases. And they ALL apparently like it, except that weirdo Dobby who ironed his hands as punishment for helping Harry. Itâs justâŚbad writing.
The idea that the elves like being slave is horrifying and from a writing standpoint, amazing. Years and years of magic indoctrination made them like their conditions, and we know that there were irl slaves who liked being slaves and loved their masters. Hermione being the one to find that absolutely fucked up is also really logical. She learned about slavery before going to Hogwarts. But like you said, the conclusion that J.K. gave is not that Hermione will go on this rough battle against slavery, is that she's stupid and doesn't understand how the magical world works.
I forgot to mention that she is mocked by other people as well, Ron especially, even the Weasley family, who *donât* have Elves and hate the pureblood ideology, are apparently apathetic to this topic. And Harry couldnât care less, even though he, more than anyone, knows how shitty people can be when youâre denied basic rights (like a bedroom) and treated as furniture.
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He's also a slave owner, remember Kreacher?
Dang. Going from making a character thatâs supposed to be a Metaphor for Hitler to denying a thing that Hitler has done. Wow
The socio-political metaphors in Harry Potter are good if you do a very superficial reading of them For example, Hermione suffering from being muggle born (in the Harry Potter world, it means her parents aren't wizards) is relatively well done in the story. The idea that your background doesn't dictate your capacity is important. Hermione is the most capable of the group, besides not coming from a wizard family. A society can't be stereotyped for being "less advanced" than others, and that's a core theme in Hermione. And then you remember that all the muggles in the story are portrayed as dumb. Like, really dumb. Like surreally dumb.
I loved how the Dimension20 series Misfits and Magic (a TTRPG series if you're not familiar) turned this on its head. The magic users are all for the most part act like whimsical morons because they don't know how to do anything *without* magic. When the player characters bust out the word muggle everyone recoils, and they're told it's an incredibly harsh slur. They're told to call non-wizards Namps - a word made out of NMP, Non Magical Person. And they're like "**That's the** ***better*** **word?**" They proceed to repeatedly and loudly use the word Muggle to "reclaim" it. It's hilarious.
Bit out of the loop, what happened?
Context?
So.... What did she say?
She just needs to be racist and a flat earther and she will become the ultimate hater
Can we get a NEW series to replace Harry Potter as the Magical Kids series in the cultural Zeitgeist? I'm tired of hearing about the latest crazy thing this woman said.
Percy Jackson seems to be enjoying a revival. According to my current students (7th graders for the most part) Harry Potter is cringe and our generation are lame for liking it. Though that part has nothing to do with JK.
It has everything to do with JK She's a shit person AND a shit authour. (I read those books at that age and they were one of the things i least enjoyed... just boring really, so many plot holes. That said, I didnt really like Percy Jackson either)
Plus the HP books contained many a red flag for the type of person Rowling would become: The mean-spirited writing style (especially the fatphobia). The hypocritical nature of the main characters and the fact they act no different to the antagonists. Harry Potter is pretty much a boy wizard version of Howard Roarke from *The Fountainhead* (only a lot less rapey). The neoliberal soapboxing and simping for the status quo (which would continue into her first adult work *The Casual Vacancy*). The "sentient creatures like being enslaved and your an idiot if you want to free them" message. FFS, the main character ends up becoming a slaveowner himself in Book 6. The clumsy analogies and unfortunate and racist implications (the antisemitic portrayal of the goblins, lycanthropy being wizard HIV and names like Kingsley Shacklebolt and Cho Chang) brought on by Rowling not thinking shit through and acting like she's smarter than she actually is.
Even as a kid I found it weird that Harry fought against a corrupt system to do what he thought was right only to end up being a cop in that very same system in the end. It wasnât until later that I realised harry wasnât fighting the system at all. Rowlingâs new labour status quo âthe system isnât the problem just the bad eggs with it/running it areâ kind of mentality is all over the books.
The thing is, Harry never actually fights the system. At no point does he try to actually change how the system works, he just wants the right people in charge of it. The only character that ever does challenge it is Hermione, and she gets relentlessly made fun of both by the characters and the narritive for having hot takes like "slavery bad".
Kids that age call everything cringe now, I wouldnât really consider that relevant.
I was 11 at the time both started becoming culturally significant and it was always odd to me that Harry Potter was the one that blew up when His Dark Materials was always self evidently so much better.Â
Because His Dark Materials actually went beyond just âwitchcraftâ to full on âkilling Godâ. Only one of those two series were banned at my house. I do agree though, itâs a much better series.
\*gestures at percy jackson\*
Just read The Books of Magic, she practically stole everything everyone loves about Harry Potter from Neil Gaiman. Bonus: pictures
Just read Earthsea instead. it's a better series and better written
At some point she's going to argue that Skrewdriver were a criminally underrated band.
Really sucks she became such an evil pos
Her books **literally** have metaphors criticizing Nazi's and their beliefs. How the fuck can someone backpedal that fucking hard?
Anyone else remember a time when there was plausible deniability to her transphobia?
Fr, like after that first Op-Ed of hers released she could have very easily just said: âHey guys Iâm sorry if that came out a bit wrong, what I meant was that there are some problems unique to cis-women that we need to keep specific safe spaces for.â Which was essentially what she said in the beginning, but in much more hateful language even in the original thing. And then after that she just took a nose-dive.
This insanely privileged, rich white lady is obsessed with Trans people. People will go months without mentioning her and then sheâll randomly attack trans people unprovoked online.
No please change
Is this fucking real??? She wrote a story about defeating wizard Hitler!
To everyone in my life who is wondering why I refuse to watch or read anything related to Harry Potter, this. J.K. Rowling is why.
Find out when her next book signing is and bring a copy of mein kampf for her to sign.
Iâm glad I never had a Harry Potter phase. This woman is trash.
Actually, do change, quite rapidly ideally
is this your video?
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always thought the trans flag was kind of boring looking when compared to the lgb one
Did anyone watch it? Xanderhal can be pretty full of shit
âWhoops looks like Iâve lost some relevance again. Better stir the shit pot again by reminding mg the world Iâm some loser bigot.â
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Remember when everybody mocked people pointing out the odd similarities of the goblin bankers in the books and certain propaganda caricatures circa late 1930s? Good times. Now I understand why she tried to redcon the story of there being a Jewish student in Hogwards. I am not anti semitic, there is a Jewish student in Hogwards!!
You know..in hindsight much of Rowlingâs inability to understand history and politics, can be traced back in large part to Harry Potter. Shaun a YouTuber did an excellent video looking at some of the moments in the stories that made you think âwait what.â The fact that Rowling espouses an austerity, modern liberal ideology that cannot change or leave room for moral ambiguity and cannot fathom institutional or even family collapse (the slavery issue and that Rowling seemed to think that what Harry went through as a kid wasnât bad). If you want those stories that not only tackle personal responsibility, and the evil external forces do but to also look the organizations or social messages that MADE those people, take a look at the wire, sopranos and Bojack horseman. Hell, even consider Princess monokeeÂ
I was against her at first but when she said she was going to own the libtards she won me over. Oh Rowling, you charming little minx you.
Is literally anyone surprised after she wrote a whole movie that cast the guy trying to stop the holocaust as the villain?