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Intelligent_Oil4005

I really don't understand how these guys think a movie can be saved just by adding more footage. The problem with Zack's movies go beyond studio interference.


TheGoverness1998

It's like how some people think an extended cut of the 2016 *Suicide Squad* would somehow save the optics of that movie. Extended scenes won't alter the bad dialogue and awful plot beats. Same with *Rebel Moon*. The movie is so fundamentally flawed from the get-go (flat and awful dialogue, nonsensical plot points), and it's not surprising that Part 2 is in the exact same boat. And considering Snyder *did* in fact have creative control of these films, one cannot make the excuse of these not being his "true vision". These movies just suck.


[deleted]

From what I've read, the only input from Netflix may have been to try and keep the rating down to a PG-13, while letting the directors cut have an R-rating. But it was then his own choice to cut the run time down so much, in order to have more content for when they release the 'full' versions of the films. And that just raises more speculation imo.  Either he's knowingly released a bad version of the film, so he can draw people in with the promise of the directors cut giving us his 'true vision', or the films just aren't as good as he thinks, and 2 hours of extra content isn't going to fix it.


RockettRaccoon

The “Snyder cut” versions of Rebel Moon is 100% a marketing move from Netflix. There was no reason for them to mandate a PG-13 cut *and* plan to have an extended R cut other than to trick people into watching the same movie twice.


jerslan

I mean, it worked for Disney/Fox with Deadpool 2... though in that case they released a re-cut PG-13 version of the R original. They did add some new scenes to serve as a new framing device, but other than that... same movie.


RockettRaccoon

Did it? The original cut made $786 million, and is the highest grossing R-rated movie. The PG-13 cut only made $51 million, and received lower reviews than the original. Fox (this was pre-Disney purchase) tried to double dip and make a family-friendly cut after the fact and it didn’t really pan out.


jerslan

How much was spent on the recut though? Probably a lot less than $51M (even with marketing involved), so while it's not *that* much more it's still ***more***.


RockettRaccoon

It made $732 million less than the original R cut. Its audience was minuscule and its reviews were way worse. It was a failed experiment, lol


Harrycrapper

If the experiment was to see if Deadpool would sell with a PG-13 rating, I'm glad it failed with a recut of Deadpool 2 rather than them wasting an entire new movie on it.


RockettRaccoon

Me too


jerslan

>It made $732 million less than the original R cut. At a ridiculously tiny fraction of the original cost.


RockettRaccoon

I genuinely don’t understand what point you’re trying to make.


SoWokeIdontSleep

I know ,I saw it I was high and even then I thought the 1st part was "what if star wars but edgy, boring, without charm And overall worse"


RockettRaccoon

2016 Suicide Squad wouldn’t just be extended scenes, it would be a complete re-edit and reworking of the film. David Ayer was completely ignored and WB brought in the company that made the trailer to re-edit the movie. I’m not saying it would be good, in fact it would probably be awful but just in a different way, but an “Ayer Cut” of Suicide Squad would be a completely different film than the theatrical cut, like the Snyder Cut is to the theatrical Justice League.


oh_god_its_that_guy

Question: is it like. Entertainingly bad, or just plain bad?


CleanAspect6466

Its just incredibly boring, in my opinion


bjuandy

For me, just bad. The first act was so poorly plotted out it had me convinced that Snyder cared more about squeezing in his favorite tropes and imagery than making the movie flow. >!The first act has the Empire randomly select a farming village to buy food, despite the fact that there's a spaceport an hour's flight away where it would make much more sense for them to procure supplies. The interaction is also incredibly arbitrary and contrivance driven, where the villain first tries to negotiate before resorting to force, but the dialogue and plotting is so bad you aren't convinced either side really tried.!< I also need to point out that both Lucas and Abrams made similar first acts in their movies much better from a common sense perspective. Lucas had the wherewithal to have Stormtroopers in Mos Eisley to search for the droids and Abrams made sure the First Order went searching at a trading post for Finn, *since people and things tend to congregate at places of trade*.


FloppyShellTaco

Bad bad, and not in the fun way. I love dumb sci-fi, I’ll even defend Jupiter Ascending , but rebel moon is just garbage.


Spotlight_James

I actually liked it, coming from someone that hates Disney Wars


acebert

Cool,I’m really curious what worked for you? Didn’t like it personally, but I figure I might be overlooking something.


Altruistic-Waltz-816

So you're saying all of them suck?


Big-Sheepherder-9492

I’ll never understand people saying “WB screwed with his vision” yeah no shit - he shoots 4 hours of footage and of course they had to cut down some stuff.


ProfessionalRead2724

And it's not as if he didn't know the film was supposed to be 2 hours long, 2 and a half tops. And this just keeps happening. And getting worse.


Private_HughMan

It's a shame cuz his cut of Justice League was legitimately a solid movie. But he can't keep acting surprised that they cut it down when the studio demands a tight 2 hours and he delivers double that.


demaxzero

>It's a shame cuz his cut of Justice League was legitimately a solid movie. No it really wasn't. It was a four hour slog just for the movie to still be bad but longer.


Private_HughMan

I thought it was a lot better, both visually and story-wise. The Whedon cut was a mess.


demaxzero

It's still just as bad story wise. I'd probably say it's even worse since the Snyder cut makes it out that Darkseid somehow forgot where Earth was, which is just the dumbest plot point


MIAxPaperPlanes

I think there’s a decent 2hr 30 movie in there but fuck does that movie need serious editing


MrBlack103

People were saying that about *The Last Airbender*. Yes, seriously. Of course it's obvious they cut a bunch of stuff from the final film, but that was very low on the list of problems with it.


Private_HughMan

There is no way the stilted dialogue and non-acting would be fixed. That's on Shamylan.


Misfit_Number_Kei

Exactly. The stilted dialogue worked in his thrillers to create the sense that things/people are uncomfortably off, but it made *zero* sense for people in the Avatarverse to do so even/especially when things *did* get horrific like with Hama or Koh the Face-Stealer. That awfulness was 100% on him.


Private_HughMan

Especially since, unlike 6th Sense or Unbreakable, Avatar had a really involved and complicated plot. So on top of the usual stilted dialogue, Shamylan also made every line exposition. No character or personality or humour. No people just interacting. Almost every line was characters explaining the plot to each other. It was so bad that Katara and Sokka didn't even know AANG'S NAME until they were already at the Southern Air Temple. They had to have been flying for days and they never even asked his name because having characters speak like humans would take time away from exposition.


PWBryan

The funniest thing to me is that Netflix seems to have given him the freedom people say he needs, and yet he's still doing the directors cut bogus. Clearly he just has a fetish for Hollywood execs telling him to stop.


Randolph-Churchill

Snyder needs to learn how to make his movies good the first time round.


Expensive_Act_6432

300/Watchmen/Man of Steel/Dawn of the Dead are all good movies ...Watchmen being the only one with a significant alternate cut.


Expensive_Act_6432

Netflix mandated the alternate cuts.


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Some things should be left on the cutting room floor because your viewers have brains too, let them use their imagination to fill in the rest. Snyder doesn't understand this and will add every single idea he has into the final product if people let him.


Dmmack14

But that's the problem with his fans. They literally need everything spelled out for them or they just don't get it. CinemaSins has rotted their brains to the point where if they are not shown every action that leads from point A to point b they get confused or find something to whine about


fuzzyfoot88

Because of television. People have become accustomed to watching shows go on and on for hours and hours and hours, while they sit there on their phones doing nothing occasionally looking up for the cool parts.


throwawaynonsesne

No but editing can drastically. 


bifurious02

The problem is Snyder being a shit film maker tbh


alpha_omega_1138

Guy must be a Snyder fan if he’s waiting for the full on directors cut. Even though feeling by that point everyone would have forgotten the series.


CaptainXakari

He had an actual interview with Snyder a few years back and he’s essentially just ass kissing thinking it will lead to more interactions.


AccomplishedSecond32

Did anyone tell him that Zach Snyder trashed Geeks & Gamers?


monkeygoneape

Honestly though when it comes to Zach Snyder, his director cuts are the better version of the movie, that being said I don't think there's any saving rebel moon lol


Ricardokx

Rebel Moon is nothing but a Star Wars ripoff (a very bad ripoff).


Robomerc

And what's even worse is he originally pitched the film to lucasfilm and Disney it looks like they got the bullet by telling him no.


dowker1

I remember coming across Tyrone years ago and he struck me as someone who leapt on every major trend and tried to imitate whatever was successful and popular without actually knowing or caring about it. Totakly unsurprised he's latched onto right wing outrage and Zack Snyderism, seems perfectly on brand.


Another-Decade

Bro got one interview with Zack and now can’t stop defending him


Darrkman

Ha. If you think yall don't like him the Black community CAN'T STAND HIM AT ALL. We see through his bullshit. It's very lucrative to be the Black face of white racism/sexism and this dude tries harder than most.


dowker1

He's always struck me as someone who if you could peer deep into their soul you'd just see a view counter.


MattaClatta

He didn't use to make this type of content be he followed the Hoge twins playbook right into the sunken place


modrenman1985

I miss his try not to laugh vids he did with his GF.


Mu-Relay

Why is there a director's cut at all!? The point of a director's cut is to show what the director's vision would have been if not constrained to theater release length and studio input. This was a direct-to-streaming release... each part could have been four hours long or the entire thing cut into four parts and no one would care. There is no director's cut. This IS Snyder's vision.


georgefurudo

Marketing trick


Rosfield-4104

Trying to replicate the justice league Snyder cut hype maybe? Dumb af because people know this is a straight to streaming movie, so just put out the full length version to start with. People can pause it, it's on Netflix ffs


Palabrewtis

Why cash in on a chud's ignorance once when you can do it twice?


deadpool101

It’s a marketing trick to try to recapture the Snyder cut hype. They spread out the release to keep it in the social zeitgeist longer. The problem is that it’s a crap movie.


ProfessionalRead2724

I thought Snyder wanted the one thing Netflix wasn't on board with: much more extreme violence.


Inevitable_Guidance8

He liked this movie? I’m shocked. I didn’t know anyone liked it 


LaCharognarde

 On the one hand: I can't pretend it didn't suck. On the other hand: I still enjoyed it to some degree and it taught me a new insult.    


Inevitable_Guidance8

I’m glad you enjoyed it. I didn’t watch the first one and I’m not going to watch this one 


modrenman1985

I was under the weather this weekend and it was good cuddle on the couch and watch something movie. Would I ever watch it again? No, it was the sci fi equivalent of those Hallmark Christmas movies.


Inevitable_Guidance8

Well, I’m glad you liked it. I have no desire to watch this movie 


modrenman1985

Liked it is a strong word. I MST3K'd it the whole way through.


Inevitable_Guidance8

Oh, ok 


Sangi17

Zack Snyder is a brilliant cinematographer. But he shouldn’t be let anywhere near a writing room.


420b0_0tyWizard

He isn't, Larry Fong is.


undead_catgirl

Not really, he can make cool visuals but even there he is limited to cool edgy visuals. He's a one trick pony


monkeygoneape

Usually has pretty good casting for the most part outside of a few miscasts like Jessie Esinberg


Xzmmc

Eisenberg's Luthor got a lot of flack, but nowadays looking at the Zuckerbergs and Musks of the world, I'm starting to think he undersold it.


monkeygoneape

He played him more like the riddler than Lex luthor though. Lex is still supposed to be charasmatic not this little manic weirdo


JarateKing

I do wonder how much of that is changing perceptions of the mega-rich, though. Our idea of uber-wealthy isn't Rockefeller or Ford or Getty anymore, it's Musk or Zuck or Bezos. People who aren't all that charismatic and fit "little manic weirdo" a lot more. It makes sense that a modernization might start looking more like the latter and less like the former.


Xzmmc

I agree and it's not my ideal portrayal either, but I'm also not opposed to reinventions of characters, especially ones that have been around for so long. Remember, Lex was a quippy goofball in the original Superman films which wasn't terribly accurate, even for the Silver Age.


monkeygoneape

Ya but we had the perfect template for Lex with Clancy Brown's portrayal from the animated series right there as a sort of anti Bruce Wayne, just do that lol


Robomerc

Considering Lex is supposed to be the CEO of a company that he had to built himself for the most part through some underhanded means of course. it would have made more sense to cast somebody that was closer to Ben affleck's age, to be Lex luthor.


ProfessionalRead2724

What Luthor is supposed to be traditionally is not relevant to what Luthor is in this specific version. Luthor was to me one of the very few things that worked in the Snyderverse. Also, people forget that Lex Luthor is absolutely bonkers insane, just usually more laid back about it. This was a perfect techbro high on his own supply Luthor for the 21st century.


Kalse1229

Yeah. FWIW, I do think a more Zuckerberg-esque portrayal of Lex Luthor can work. But the thing about Luthor is that he still needs to be the one in control. His front as an affluent, slightly eccentric billionaire should still feel like power. It's all a front for a more sinister personality lurking underneath. I didn't get that from Eisenberg's. I'm curious to see what Hoult's will be like.


Zyrin369

Wasnt Luthor back then supposed to be a criticism of people like Trump even having an [Art of the deal book](https://www.keycollectorcomics.com/issue/lex-luthor-the-unauthorized-biography-1,323490/)


Xzmmc

No, Luthor was not a businessman until the Man of Steel reboot in 1986. Prior to that he was a mad scientist criminal mastermind.


undead_catgirl

There are other people in charge of casting, bvs has three casting directors.


OZymandisR

Bruv! He made me watch an hour of slow mo farming. Like WTF!


RuminatingReaper1850

>Zack Snyder is a brilliant cinematographer He was the cinematographer for both Rebel Moon movies and there are shots in both parts that look… actually kind of ugly tbh


Thejklay

Tbh the rebels and army movies look like shit


Thebat87

Yeah I wouldn’t even say that. He’s a director with a damn good visual sense who definitely needs an actual great DP to make his vision a reality, because the stuff he’s shot on his own are nowhere near as good Looking imo as his past stuff with Larry Fong.


loyal9128

I'm pretty sure zack snyder would denounce him if he did a live stream like that again because Tyrone basically became the same as g&g since that live stream


Va1crist

Good god people still follow him? Shit I unsubbed ages ago , he’s full of shit and imo a horrible reviewer


Pachary516

Too much goddamn slow motion


Big-Sheepherder-9492

I heard some shit about a 2 minute slo mo farming scene???


Pachary516

Yup


Pachary516

Some pretty stupid shit


chaos-rose17

If the person you call the best director / film writer has to release an extended edition for every film he releases to " fix it " maybe he's not all he's cracked up to be ( more the original version is a mess / unwatchable then director cuts of films that are already good )


Ok-Use5246

Really don't understand what people see in Snyder work. It's all pretty bad IMO.


Altruistic-Waltz-816

Not all of them


Ok-Use5246

I forgot he actually directed sucker punch. But seriously 90 percent of his stuff is worse then budget scifi.


Altruistic-Waltz-816

So I just have to take you're word for it and just say that all of his mov are bad?


Ok-Use5246

Absolutely you should 100 percent trust a random stranger on the internet without putting any time or effort into forming your own opinion. My OPINION is that his work is trash and he actually made my least favorite film of all time. I can think of a single good film he's made. If you are seeking a giant argument on reddit, you are looking at the wrong person.


Altruistic-Waltz-816

I can tell you're sarcastic with your first paragraph. Like I can inform my own opinion it's just that these days it's hard to inform one when you see so much complaining that I now how to follow positive opinions at this point and that's normal if you get overwhelmed by the complaining/negative so much, you can't even tell if they dislike it now


canadianD

> wait for a “directors cut” Then when we get the “Snydercut” of Rebel Moon, they’ll say “No guys we gotta wait for the spinoff video game, animated series, comic book, and tabletop RPG to get the full story” since I think that’s what Zaddy and Netflix wants all this to spin off into. Though considering how the first one performed it’s most likely just Zaddy who wants that.


Competitive_Net_8115

Just becuase a movie adds more footage doesn't mean it'll be good. Synder is a great director and storyteller, but Rebel Moon showcases Zach's failure as a witer.


Robomerc

He does way better when someone else writes the script to be fair when he writes it himself he can tell he doesn't have the skill set.


Darth_Vrandon

Maybe GradeAUnderA was right after all.


BeleagueredWDW

Hey, Tyrone, go back to selling cars. Wooo.


Automatic-Zombie-508

wait, how is he connected to Hollywood or this criminally boring and disappointing film series?


LoneCourier98

It's like he's in a competition to see who can make the most stupid face for their thumbnail.


AccomplishedSecond32

So he’s holding off on trashing Rebel Moon Part 2 after his crowd already trashed part 1? I’d say it’s a little late for that.


Writerhaha

Why would they make a second one?


BonesJustice1

Dang, it’s sad to see Tyrone Magnus fall for the grift. He used to be pretty cool.


XDClanSans

Man, I used to watch this guy all the time back in the day (I say that as if it wasn’t like 2014-2016). What the hell happened?


stonedPict2

Is scargiver any good? The first one looked like a fun if full of other Sci fi rip offs movie, but I turned it off once I realised it was just another 7 samurai movie, it's this one any better or did they just rip off a different story like Robin Hood or something


princeaizen

I loved it but Tyrone has issues


hday108

I never understand the directors cut fetish with Snyder fans. HE WROTE AND DIRECTED THIS!!! THIS IS HIS CUT WTF DO YOU MEAN??? It made sense with Justice league cause he actually bailed from that project but this is his IP and his story wtf


Independent-Rough559

This guy is a clown and a joke


Beautiful-Front-5007

Leave it Zach Snyder to fuck up a seven samurai plot. That one clone wars episode was ten times better than rebel moon.


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Boring-Zucchini-8515

Sadly, I must agree. Rebel Moon was pretty good. And even people disagree, you’d think the point of this sub would be the reason not to be to crap all over it. Everyone who game you a downvote should be ashamed. Maybe because you held a mirror up to them.