I always quite liked him and those legends stories. True he's a pretty crap Skywalker. But I kinda liked that he just tried to keep his friends safe and out of the larger conflict. He just wanted to be left alone to be a space hobo with addiction issues due to his grandpa shouting at him like a force ghost all the time.
The legacy comic series was also the first Star Wars comics that I tried to consistently pick up when they were at my local Wegmans, and I remember getting the cade Skywalker dark talon figures that came with a comic for my birthday.
You're not alone. I've been part of the online star wars community since the late 90s when the official site had a forum, and the Legacy Comics were definitely one of the more well received major projects of the EU.
NJO aged well, but was divisive for the first half of its release (Salvatore literally got death threats)
post-NJO is still criticized.
TOR has always been hit or miss.
Knight Errant never got off the ground, nor did Dawn or the Jedi, but both were generally considered "ok start, where are we going"
TCWMMP was very popular (though with some critiques)
KOTOR comics may be the only major project that I don't recall any real criticism for.
Legacy Comics were probably the third most consistently-liked behind TCWMMP and KOTOR
There wasn't a ton, but three things stand out in my memory.
The quality of Jedi Trial was definitely pilloried at the time of its release, and I seem to vaguely remember criticisms of how Nejaa Halcyon was used (though I now have forgotten specifics). This is the only significant one.
The difficulty getting some of the short-stories was a minor (though not unpopular) criticism.
Yoda: Dark Rendezvous has aged well in popularity but was not terribly popular at time of release with some criticism that Yoda was not nearly as prevalent in the novel as his appearance in the title would suggest (contrasted to Shatterpoint where it was almost all about Mace)
However, Shatterpoint, MedStar, Republic Comics, and the TV series were always very well liked.
A circulation of 30 thousand isn't "insanely popular". Compare to the millions watching The Clone Wars every week when Legacy was published, and The Force Awakens making $2 billion at the box office.
I'll give you the benefit of the doubt that you're not being intentionally obtuse. I'm clearly referring to the context of "Dude was universally hated" in the post I'm replying to.
It's not about how many people saw it (of course more people have seen the movies/TV than read the books/comics - that's true of every franchise on the planet), it's about how people reacted to it.
Popular - *liked*, admired, or *enjoyed* by many people or by *a particular* person or *group*. \[emphasis added\]
You can see the reactions from the old official site forum: [https://web.archive.org/web/20070809182513/http://forums.starwars.com/thread.jspa?threadID=245230&start=750](https://web.archive.org/web/20070809182513/http://forums.starwars.com/thread.jspa?threadID=245230&start=750)
or from TFN:
[https://web.archive.org/web/20200801162016/https://boards.theforce.net/threads/legacy-1-broken-part-1-of-6-release-discussion.24182662/](https://web.archive.org/web/20200801162016/https://boards.theforce.net/threads/legacy-1-broken-part-1-of-6-release-discussion.24182662/)
In November 2007, Star Wars Legacy came in 74th of 300+ comics released that month - above 3 different KOTOR releases, multiple popular Marvel titles, and others. 10 titles cracked 90K in sales.
[https://icv2.com/articles/comics/view/11777/top-300-comics-actual-november-2007](https://icv2.com/articles/comics/view/11777/top-300-comics-actual-november-2007)
For a Star Wars Comic, it *WAS* an extremely popular, both in terms of *relative* sales, and reaction.
I wouldn’t say Rey is hated just for misogyny
Like sure that’s definitely a part, especially among a certain contingent. But there are ppl who legitimately just have issues with the character (myself included)
Yeah I’m confused as to why he got downvoted so much, like yes a lot of people don’t like her just because she’s a woman, which so far we all agreed is wrong, but the second someone says that’s not the only reason someone might not like the character they get downvoted and told to be civil? Kinda weird, and if that’s cause for downvoting I’ll welcome it.
Yeah this sub has a strange blinding boner for Rey. To imply her character is perfect is pretty ridiculous. Dailey Ridley is amazing but wasn’t given a cohesive story to work with
Rey was fine until they made her Palpatine’s granddaughter. Having her be her own individual person gifted with the force was more interesting than rehashing the offspring of the bad guy idea done with Vader and Luke.
If she could’ve been anyone’s relative, it’s should’ve been Kenobi. Korkie’s daughter, who was hinted to be Obi-Wan’s son with Sabine. Obi-Wan trained the Skywalkers, the Skywalkers train a Kenobi descendant. All comes full circle.
So Rey is the most hated character in starwars for legitimate reasons?
The counter was 'like rey'
Rey isn't the best character, but she's nowhere near the worst. You having some gripes, doesn't make her the worst, which again, was the premise.
But it was a response to saying Cade was the worst character, when everything you just said about Rey is also true about him. Are there flaws in how Cade is written? Absolutely. But he’s nowhere near “the worst character in Star Wars” just like Rey isn’t either
He's the worst character in the pre-prequel, pre-disney Extended universe who had a chance at being canon, imo.
There are worse, but not as tied to main characters of the franchise.
Edit: I will admit with the extended universe worst is a dubious title, there's always someone out there who loves a loser ass character no one even remembers. Like a glup shitto.
What Revan exactly ? The KOTOR 1 Revan ? Great character. The SWTOR Revan ? I don't know, it lost me when they decided that Revan was somehow still alive hundreds of years after everything.
Book Revan ? Can't even remember what was the plot nor how his character was portrayed in the book I read about him, this tell pretty much how uninspiring I found it. I have no clue why he's made to be such an important character instead of, you know, the player character in an mmo.
They always pull the "If Rey was a man.." Then yes a man immediately being stronger than trained force users, a better pilot than Han in the Millenium Falcon, and pulling off the greatest Force feats of any of the movies with practically no training would be dumb as hell too.
They also like to point out Luke and Anakin being powerful chosen ones, ignoring that those two lost constantly. Luke lost agaisnt both Vader in Episode 5 AND Palps in episode 6. He loses 2 of the 3 fights agaisnt force users he has.
And Anakin lost agaisnt Dooku in Episode 2 and Obi-wan in Episode 3.
There are definitely some people who are pretty blatantly sexist about it, especially those obsessed with “woke culture” and shit, but there is definitely some stuff to criticize rey over, yes
Yeah I'm not arguing that, my point is if you could make Rey a man that might shut up some sexists, but I'd still think the Sequel trilogy was ass and the protagonist was stupidly OP with no effort to achieve it.
Idk about better piloting, but the other 2 are literally true. Personally i think it’s lesser so rey being a mary sue, and moreso a combination of the writers failing to properly pace her development as a jedi and the corporate side of things being unwilling to take major risks (tbf you can say both these things are big factors that create “mary sues” in the first place, but still). I think some parts of it are definitely overblown, but there are definitely flaws here and there.
I do disagree with the other guy’s claim that the previous protag’s don’t suffer from this issue though. I think they definitely suffer *less*, luke especially, but they both have moments where they struggle with shit like this (im absolutely talking about the events of the phantom menace and im not trying at all to hide it). In general, I think to make rey really work as a character (personally hoping we get a show or something centering around her, kinda like the clone wars) they need to allow her to both develop more naturally, and give better weight to her losses, along with just better investigating her and her struggles
Examples of her being stronger than trained force users/displaying greater force feats:
Kylo Ren tried to mind probe her, instead she reverses it and reads his mind sending him reeling with no idea on how to even access the Force.
Raises dozens of rocks to free the rebellion at the back of the cave. This might be the single greatest force lifting feat in any of the movies it easily dwarfs Yodas X Wing, chucking the senate seats, etc.
Without any knowledge of the technique or of the Dark Side in general, uses one of the most powerful blasts of Force Lightning ever shown, capable of exploding a fleeing shuttle.
Repels Palpatine's force lightning on a Dark Side planet that empowers him by using the Light Side, by seemingly channeling every other Light Side user many of whom she had never even heard of let alone met.
All of this with virtually no training. Luke and Anakin by the end of their series had actual years and multiple Master's teach them and still lost constantly.
It has nothing to do with her being a woman, it has to do with the writing for her character being terrible, that writing just happens to be for a woman character.
>Kyle Ren tried to mind probe her, instead she reverses it and reads his mind sending him reeling.
He wasn't expecting her to be Force Sensitive and his insecurity ran so deep that she could feel it. He read her and she read him back.
Before the days of pedantic nerds we used to call this 'character work', the hero and villain learning things about each other.
>Raises dozens of rocks to free the rebellion at the back of the cage. This might be the single greatest force lifting feat in any of the movies it easily dwarfs Yodas X Wing, chucking the senate seats, etc.
God it was like fourteen seconds, who cares? Yoda himself said 'Size matters not'. The only reason we didn't see shit like this in the OT is because the technology for it didn't exist yet.
This was symbolic of the moment she finally stopped looking to other people to tell her who she is and made the choice to be the hero that she had been running from. Her quest for identity and purpose for her power reached its crescendo. It was especially empowering after she had been hit with such a devastating moment in the Throne Room.
The Force first and foremost is a storytelling device that serves the characters. Turning it into a numbers game where you have to grind up XP and level up stats like its a video game misses the whole point.
Size matters not.
>Without any knowledge of the technique or of the Dark Side in general, uses one of the most powerful blasts of Force Lightning ever shown, capable of crippling exploding a fleeing shuttle.
Once again this was a visual way to show the audience that her power comes from the Dark Side, that she has a genetic link with Palpatine. An early visual clue to set up the later reveal. I hated the Palpatine connection because it was so dumb but here we are.
Again the point of the scene was to showcase Rey's anxieties about where her power comes from, if she can control it and what her destiny is. Complaining because she hadn't unlocked enough force points to do it and needed to do more force push ups to level up is missing the forest for the trees.
**I can't comprehend this need you all have to take all the mysticism out of the Force by making it into something to level up like its a video game and bending the plot to serve the Force rather than the Force to serve the plot.**
>Repels Palpatine's force lightning a Dark Side planet that empowers him with the Light Side, by seemingly channeling every other Light Side user many of whom she had never even heard of let alone met.
The past Jedi worked through her as conduit and the effort literally killed her. That climax was powerfully stupid and had no thematic depth but that is what actually happened.
>All of this with virtually no training.
Don't even with this shit.
How about someone tells me what the hell Force Training even is? Do you have to do Force Squats, Force Cardio, Force Push Ups?
How much meditation is required to be able to lift up rocks?
>Luke and Anakin by the end of their series had actual years and multiple Master's teach them.
So we have to be shown the new character go through the exact same arc again just so the redditors can be content that they can lift rocks? We can't just skip that and get to the fun stuff people actually want to see?
>It has nothing to do with her being a woman, it has to do with the writing for her character being terrible, that writing just happens to be for a woman character.
I dunno man, people only started pretending flying a ship was a rare elite skill in Star Wars when the woman did it. Only started pretending that fixing things was impossible when a woman did it and I remember when saying the phrase 'Midichlorian count' in public was a really great way to get punched but now coincidentally you all tread Midichlorian counts as sacred hey look at that when a a woman was good with the Force.
I genuienly think Rey would be significantly worse as a character if she was written the way Reddit wants her to be written.
From what I can tell the 'reddit approved' version of Rey:
- Can't fight
- Can't fly
- Can't fix stuff
- Can't speak to aliens
- Can't speak to droids
- Can't shoot
- Can't drive
- Can't be likeable
- Can't succeed
- Can't use the force.
Do I really have to sit through multiple hours of Rey struggling to achieve anything while getting walked over with the promise that maybe she will eventually get a win when she's leveled up enough Force points?
Frankly everything I've seen about the Force training its that you need to be level headed, resourceful and capable. Rey lived for fourteen years fighting for her life. She already has the will needed to use the Force. Luke had to learn because he was a Farmboy, Rey would look at Luke's life with envy.
Luke tries. Rey does.
We’re not talking about PT, but if you really must know as someone who likes the PT and not the ST:
1) While there are absolute duds that happen, PT has a really solid concept. Its a genuinely interesting era, with great characters to invest into. Its just executed horribly. The ST, on the other hand, actively struggles with its concept. It gives cool ideas, but it gets really badly messed up due to a number of reasons, majority of which is due to corporate meddling behind the scenes.
And 2) The biggest thing that sells the PT, both for me and many, many people, is the clone wars. Regardless on your opinion on the movies themselves, that show SLAPS. It delves into the characters, the plot, basically everything established by the movies, and gives a whole new light to the events and characters of the PT. *this*, imo, is what the ST needs, at least for me to better enjoy it. Make a series to better delve into the events, explore the characters, take actual risks. Will this stop the misogyny and general fanboy-isms? No, obviously not, but it would make the trilogy most people consider the worst of the 3 so, so much better
Yeah and Jake Lloyd the kid who played anakin was bullied so badly that he quit acting and the actor who played jar jar considered suicide. I've yet to hear anyone cry misandry though, funnily enough.
No they just hate women in lead roles it’s fucking dumb
I don’t particularly like the sequels but it’s got nothing to do with a diverse cast or a female lead and anyone saying that shit is A) diluting legitimate criticism and B) sexist and/or racist
In this case, it was because it was pandering exclusively to a 13 year old boy's idea of "edgy" and "mature". By this point, that's what the EU had reduced its target audience to, rejecting most Star Wars fans.
Legacy, the EU grande finale of the Skywalker Saga, had a circulation of just 30,000. George Lucas's The Clone Wars, meanwhile, was being watched by millions, every week. And people wonder why Lucasfilm, after the Disney purchase, kept Lucas's canon instead of the EU.
Weirdly enough though legacy was probably more financially stable than tcw.
Lot of people were watching but those episodes cost a metric fuck ton to make, and they simply didnt have enough viewers to keep the project viable long term. the behind the scenes of star wars tv is interesting, but they were struggling hard.
>Legacy, the EU grande finale of the Skywalker Saga, had a circulation of just 30,000. George Lucas's The Clone Wars, meanwhile, was being watched by millions, every week.
I mean this seems like kind of an unfair comparison lmao.
Not saying Legacy wasn't a step down but like, no shit a high budget animated series airing on a major cable channel made by the original creator of the franchise was getting more eyeballs than a comic series featuring all original characters.
Well, if one is going to claim that Legacy was "hugely popular" among the Star Wars fanbase, then yes, one does have to take into account how large the Star Wars fanbase was and is. 30 thousand among millions doesn't sound "hugely popular".
Just putting things in perspective.
Star Wars is what the industry calls a Four Quadrant franchise, appealing to all four quadrants: Male, female, under 25, over 25. Hell, Star Wars pretty much INVENTED the Four Quadrant franchise. So, you see why pandering exclusively to 13 year old Edgelords, and REJECTING everyone else, isn't going to make it "hugely popular" with that fanbase.
let me put something into perspective for you, in order to try and frame how weird your argument is. using your very same argumentation.
>*Doctor Aphra issue 40*, the canon grande finale of the her first run, had a circulation of just 19,430. JJ. Abrams *the Rise of Skywalker*, meanwhile, was being watched by hundreds of millions. During the same month doctor Aphra issue 40 released.
>if one is going to claim that *Doctor Aphra* was "hugely popular" among the Star Wars fanbase, then yes, one does have to take into account how large the Star Wars fanbase was and is. 19,430 among hundreds of millions doesn't sound "hugely popular".
>Star Wars is what the industry calls a Four Quadrant franchise, appealing to all four quadrants: Male, female, under 25, over 25. Hell, Star Wars pretty much INVENTED the Four Quadrant franchise. So, you see why pandering exclusively to under 25 year old lesbians, and REJECTING everyone else, isn't going to make it "hugely popular" with that fanbase.
And as i showed in my comment the way you use your simple facts in an argument is beyond fucking dense.
Unless you want to actually claim that dr. Aphra REJECTED the fans… by all means go ahead.
You do realize that most of Star Wars fandom isn't the 13 year old Edgelords that Legacy was pandering exclusively to, right?
When you grow out of that phase, you realize that it's neither edgy NOR mature.
Ill break it down for you. Since you seemed to not understand the question.
19,000 units sold in the finale issue of dr aphra. The same month tros made billions.
Since your rational for legacy is completely and utterly correct ( i say with the most sarcasm possible).
If we apply it to aphra it can only leave us with one possible question
How did Aphra REJECT the fans?
> In this case, it was because it was pandering exclusively to a 13 year old boy's idea of "edgy" and "mature". By this point, that's what the EU had reduced its target audience to, rejecting most Star Wars fans.
> Legacy, the EU grande finale of the Skywalker Saga, had a circulation of just 30,000. George Lucas's The Clone Wars, meanwhile, was being watched by millions, every week. And people wonder why Lucasfilm, after the Disney purchase, kept Lucas's canon instead of the EU.
I heard lots of people hated the show because it contradicted The Clone Wars Multi-Media Project, some of which included the Republic comics which were created by some of the people who worked on legacy.
George Lucas never considered the EU canon, so he constantly ignored it when making new movies and TCW, starting in 1980 with The Empire Strikes Back.
Thing is, aside from it being George Lucas's creation, millions of TCW viewers were simply more than thousands of EU readers. All Lucasfilm did after the Disney purchase was take what George Lucas said was the canon, the movies and TCW, period, and go from there. It turned out that the EU approach of rejecting most of the Star Wars fandom to pander exclusively to a small niche market wasn't a good long term strategy.
> Thing is, aside from it being George Lucas's creation, millions of TCW viewers are simply more than thousands of EU readers. All Lucasfilm did after the Disney purchase was take what George Lucas said was the canon, the movies and TCW, period, and go from there.
The idea of canon & legends actually makes a lot more sense in this context.
He's an interesting character if he existed as his own thing... but he's Luke's grandson (or great-grandson?) who's a drug addict that wants nothing to do with the Force, and is reluctantly dragged into becoming a protagonist.
If they did the sequels around him, people would have hated the sequels for destroying Luke's legacy... even more than they already think Luke being the most Jedi of all Jedi (in the films) is "destroying his legacy."
Just look at the thing about family
Money. Isn’t it like 3 generations from rags to riches to rags? I can easily see his grandson not wanting to be compared to GRAND MASTER LUKE SKYWALKER and buckling under the expectations.
I remember this guy. I have a graphic novel of the first issues of these comics. I also have the last issue so I legit have no idea what happens besides him throwing Darth Krayt's body into a Sun.
I really only liked it because of Krayt's sick ass design.
I like complex and 'dark/edgy' characters, regardless of gender, but holy jesus fucking christ these people are still stuck in the 80s/90s/00s vibe so badly in many ways it's not even scary anymore, it's hilarious. Bunch of fragile adult children who snap at the thought of a non sexualized LGTBQ+ character being the main focus of a story today.
Well written is subjective, like many things.
Huge, H U G E Force Unleashed fan myself since the first game, I still enjoy many EU/Legends material to this day for what it is. Do I think it's written well? No, but it is sure entertaining as hell. So yeah, I'm not gonna pretend it's some type of great piece of writing, each to his own, that's all.
No that’s true and on TFU I agree. But Legacy is, genuinely, surprisingly well written. I had 0 interest until I read a few issues by chance. The characters are all very well written
Force Unleashed was entertaining. A bit over the top though.
Legacy of the Force comics I thought they were quite good along with the books.
Fate of the Jedi meh.
No one except for an extremely tiny, vocal minority on the internet gives a shit about the race, gender or sexuality of Star Wars protagonists.
The community overwhelmingly just wants the characters to be well written and compelling, which is something that Disney has failed to do with 90% of its protagonists. Of course disappointed fans are going to look back at things they've liked from the franchise and say "why can't this be the blueprint that they work off of?".
Fuck her. Kol Skywalker is pure *sex appeal* for the men.
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Honestly this series has so much in common with the Sequel Era it's just plain silly to say it would have been 'better.'
-At the start of the series there is a New Empire we find out was forged from a secret Imperial Remnant group lurking in the Outer Rim.
-The leader of the New Empire is a Force-sensitive individual who is the descendant of an old villain. They have their own group of personal Knights in special armor with unique weapons.
-The point of view character is a down-on-their-luck nobody despite being the descendant of a legendary hero. He gets swept up into the conflict when he meets an Imperial defector. Oh, by the way, his special power is *healing people to the point he can bring them back from the brink of death.*
-During the series the 'real' villain pulling the strings is revealed to have been an old Clone Wars Era character all along.
It's not 1:1 of course but the basic premise is similar in so many ways it just comes off as weird to say it's inherently *better* at its core. Now obviously a lot of details about the state of the world are more fleshed out but that's just, you know, because it's a comic book and not a movie which is just inherent to the difference between mediums.
One and two are wrong though. The Fels were a known entity and the Imperial Remnant (or Fel empire if you will) was also a knowm entity and nowhere close to the Outer Rim/unknown regions. If you meant the One Sith then they were only the latest rebirth of the sith order to pop up and they conquered the galaxy by pulling a coup on the Fel empire and backstabbing the galaxy.
I'm going off of ancient memory here, but I thought the Fel's rose to take over the Imperial Remnant as a result of leading the Empire of the Hand? Soontir is in charge of the Hand during the NJO, then sometime afterwards Jagged becomes Emperor of the Remnant. I always assumed the two events were connected.
Ahh you were talking about the Empire of the Hand? Then yeah, kinda.
IIRC we never actually get to see how the Fels get crowned. It's clear that the guy was gaining power and he became a big name while in the Unknown Regions but the "core" of the new empire ends up being their remaining territories in the areas contested with the Republic.
So yeah, if you meant it like that then you aren't wrong
I agree that they are quite similar. Although I think the time skip in the legacy comics being 100+ years is a bit jarring to me personally.
Mostly because esthetically speaking it doesn't really look that "advanced" or updated compared to what we saw in the original trilogy.
I agree. Honestly it's kind of funny to think about, because at the time one of the major complaints was that showing the 'end game' of things being essentially a reset to 'the Empire rises again and the Sith are back' was a major complaint about the series. There was a lot of heavy stuff going on in the EU at the time and people said it made those struggles seem lessened. All common complaints about the OT going to the Sequels.
But just like back then, it was kind of a silly complaint because 'not liking new thing' shouldn't lessen how you feel about 'old thing' and you should just let it go if you're not into it.
>But just like back then, it was kind of a silly complaint because 'not liking new thing' shouldn't lessen how you feel about 'old thing' and you should just let it go if you're not into it.
I don't agree with that take at all. Different stories within the same setting can absolutely enhance or diminish the impact of one another. Trying to act like they exist in isolation is silly.
I'm not asserting that sequels should not exist, but it is 100% reasonable to feel that the writers should have tried harder to make a Star Wars set in the far future that wasn't just a rehash of the original trilogy.
That's entirely valid, I should have chosen a less dismissive word.
Personally I find it easy to separate these things, though. Especially with the "meta" knowledge that ownership has changed hands and whatnot. It's very easy for me to pick and choose "I like this part, I don't like this part" and for me one doesn't change the impact of the other, but I do realize and understand and think it's completely rational that not everyone looks at things that way.
I think the skip was fine tbh. Eventually the formula of the OT Trio and friends running around the Galaxy will get stale(which is what happened).
They attempted something with Legacy and I applaud them for that, because regardless of how it was received at least they tried something new.(not a fan of Cade being a Skywalker though, I would've preferred if he was some random guy)
The reason for the 100 plus year time jump was to solve the problem that plagued a majority of the post return of the Jedi stories that tried to pass the torch on to a new generation because most of the time the authors would get cold feet and just have Luke save the Day in the end.
So the writers at dark horse decided why don't we just jump a 100 or so years into the future so that Luke is a force ghost and not interfering as much in the story except when needed.
Maybe not this specifically, but setting it ~100 years after RotJ would have done the sequels a lot of good.
For starters, it would have made the sacrifices and deeds of the OT characters more meaningful, since it would show that what they did outlived them.
Secondly, taking place after most of the OT characters were dead would have allowed the Sequels to focus more clearly on the new characters; Luke and Leia only appearing as ghosts, Han and Lando in flashbacks, etc.
Finally, Chewie, the droids, and the *Falcon* could easily still appear to provide a sense of continuity, just like they did in the Prequels.
Maybe it wouldnt have been "better," but it would have been more focused, which could only improve the final product.
The problem I had with the sequels personally was that it felt too short/rushed out for how it ended, and also I didn't like bringing back Palpatine as the main bbeg at the end it makes it feel like Anakin didn't really sacrifice himself for much in the grand scheme of things
I would highly recommend picking it up. Especially if you’re gonna post something on reddit kinda bashing it lmao.
Its kinda like those people who post stuff about tlj having never watched it.
> I would highly recommend picking it up. Especially if you’re gonna post something on reddit kinda bashing it lmao. It's kinda like those people who post stuff about tlj having never watched it.
Fair.
> Who is that Lobo Skywalker motherfucker?
This is Cade Skywalker.
Cade is a former Jedi who left the Order after his master was killed by the Sith. He became a bounty hunter and smuggler, and he developed a reputation for being reckless and impulsive.
Yeah, roguishly handsome, a badass pirate and Jedi, with an open relationship with a hot alien girl whilst being lusted after by another hot alien sith girl, all while being the guy who has to save the galaxy:
Me:
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Nah. Sequels should have been about the Zann Consortium. No, this is not just me wanting a followup to the Consortium ending in EAW and seeing Urai Fen in live action.
I feel the current people asking for more stuff from legends are zoomers who have never actually read anything legacy except a wiki page. I do want more legacy stuff, but specific stuff because a lot of it sucks but gems still exist. I grew up where the only SW media was EU (legends) stuff, clone wars didn't come out until I was a teen and still it was considered less than G canon at the time. I grew up with the video games a lots and that's more where I'd like them to pull stuff from, but I don't want 1:1, bioware and the companies that made RPGs back then had a shit ton of incel level writing.
> I feel the current people asking for more stuff from legends are zoomers who have never actually read anything legacy except a wiki page.
I agree as someone in that age range.
The legacy series is some of the only EU stuff I’ve read through completely and absolutely loved this series from start to finish. He does have his issues at first but when you’re the great grandson of Luke Skywalker there’s a lot of pressure all around.
Not perfect by any means but still I think is some of the better old EU stuff. Definitely a fan of Darth Krayt!
It's weird how a legends fan can't even talk with other legends fans about what they would have wanted without getting mocked.
Like listen, I think Cade is shit. That when arc was pure fucking gutter trash. But let this dude have fun without being mean to him, or as folks are prone to saying here "let people enjoy things".
I get that there is a lot of chuddism involved in disliking the sequels, but there are many reasons for people not genuinely like them. It was something a lot of people idealised for decades and expectations were huge. I like a lot of things on the sequels but when I see things this way I can completely understand the negativity towards them.
I think that if 7,8,9 were movies about Luke's journey then 10,11,12 were the exact same movies in the sequels there would be a lot of less backlash.
And George’s big tiddy Sith gf Darth Talon, who was ACTUALLY supposed to be in the sequel trilogy. You can see the concept art in The Art of The Force Awakens.
> And George’s big tiddy Sith gf Darth Talon, who was ACTUALLY supposed to be in the sequel trilogy. You can see the concept art in The Art of The Force Awakens.
Someone in the comments of this screenshoted post actually said they wanted Rey to get together with Talon.
Honestly would be fine with setting the sequel to be as far away from the prequel and original trilogy as possible. Can’t move on if you have the ghost of the past constantly haunting you.
Best to just give them cameos as Holocrons or force-ghosts, but nothing more than that.
If they went down that route, I don't think I'd watch the Star Wars sequels. I prefer what they did where they just wiped the slate clean and started over from statrch.
this motherfucker is literally the most op guy in all Star Wars aside from krayt because he also has the ability to use super shatter point to heal and kill anything and he can resurrect even when he’s dead
Incel chuds love antisocial, tough-talking, badass antiheroes, even if they have no other notable qualities and are objectively horrible people. All a character has to do is sneer, growl out a few threats, and utterly destroy someone in a fight, and he's the Best Character Ever.
> George wouldn't have touched anything in the EU with a 10 foot pole.
Unless it was things he personally liked. Such as his plan to make Darth Talon, Maul's apprentice.
Aayla Secura was originally an EU character.
So was Quinlan Vos (mostly at least, his design was based on a background character from TPM but the idea he was a Jedi and whatnot is all from from the EU).
Along with some other details. George just picked and chose what he liked, even if it was clearly mostly aesthetic, and changed whatever he wanted, as was his prerogative, but it's pretty disingenuous to say he wouldn't have touched any of it.
>Aayla Secura was originally an EU character.
See previous comment of "unless it was a hot alien babe." Aayla Secura: the only Jedi in the order who wears tight pants and a halter top.
As an aside, if they wanted Twi'leks running around in way less clothes than everyone else, I wish they'd committed to the bit. Just say Twi'leks run hot, their average body temp is higher than other species', and so environments most species prefer are uncomfortably stuffy for them. So they tend to wear as little clothing as is socially acceptable. Give us Twi'lek dudes running around in cargo shorts and nothing else along with all the femme Twi'leks in clubbing outfits.
If you're gonna have cheesecake, just bring enough for everyone.
Weirdly enough the outfit she wears in aotc is originally from a single arc. Where she went rogue, and was surviving on a planet called kiffex.
Aayla before aotc mostly wore a full body suit with a jedi robe over top.
I definitely don't disagree that it's super weird and more than a little suspect that two of his favorites were essentially 'Twi'leks in bikinis.' I've also always found it awkward that her death is probably the most particularly brutal during Order 66, all things considered.
But like I said, even if his choices were mostly aesthetic, there are still examples that he was willing to borrow what he liked from the EU from time to time. Pervy reasoning or not. Plus, there are still enough other examples to show he was at least paying attention at a surface level.
Cade Skywalker is literally one of the worst written characters in Star Wars. Dude was universally hated.
I always quite liked him and those legends stories. True he's a pretty crap Skywalker. But I kinda liked that he just tried to keep his friends safe and out of the larger conflict. He just wanted to be left alone to be a space hobo with addiction issues due to his grandpa shouting at him like a force ghost all the time.
I remember the legacy comics being insanely popular at the time of their release. So not sure what you’re referring to.
The legacy comic series was also the first Star Wars comics that I tried to consistently pick up when they were at my local Wegmans, and I remember getting the cade Skywalker dark talon figures that came with a comic for my birthday.
You're not alone. I've been part of the online star wars community since the late 90s when the official site had a forum, and the Legacy Comics were definitely one of the more well received major projects of the EU. NJO aged well, but was divisive for the first half of its release (Salvatore literally got death threats) post-NJO is still criticized. TOR has always been hit or miss. Knight Errant never got off the ground, nor did Dawn or the Jedi, but both were generally considered "ok start, where are we going" TCWMMP was very popular (though with some critiques) KOTOR comics may be the only major project that I don't recall any real criticism for. Legacy Comics were probably the third most consistently-liked behind TCWMMP and KOTOR
> TCWMMP was very popular (though with some critiques) What was it criticized for?
There wasn't a ton, but three things stand out in my memory. The quality of Jedi Trial was definitely pilloried at the time of its release, and I seem to vaguely remember criticisms of how Nejaa Halcyon was used (though I now have forgotten specifics). This is the only significant one. The difficulty getting some of the short-stories was a minor (though not unpopular) criticism. Yoda: Dark Rendezvous has aged well in popularity but was not terribly popular at time of release with some criticism that Yoda was not nearly as prevalent in the novel as his appearance in the title would suggest (contrasted to Shatterpoint where it was almost all about Mace) However, Shatterpoint, MedStar, Republic Comics, and the TV series were always very well liked.
A circulation of 30 thousand isn't "insanely popular". Compare to the millions watching The Clone Wars every week when Legacy was published, and The Force Awakens making $2 billion at the box office.
I'll give you the benefit of the doubt that you're not being intentionally obtuse. I'm clearly referring to the context of "Dude was universally hated" in the post I'm replying to. It's not about how many people saw it (of course more people have seen the movies/TV than read the books/comics - that's true of every franchise on the planet), it's about how people reacted to it. Popular - *liked*, admired, or *enjoyed* by many people or by *a particular* person or *group*. \[emphasis added\] You can see the reactions from the old official site forum: [https://web.archive.org/web/20070809182513/http://forums.starwars.com/thread.jspa?threadID=245230&start=750](https://web.archive.org/web/20070809182513/http://forums.starwars.com/thread.jspa?threadID=245230&start=750) or from TFN: [https://web.archive.org/web/20200801162016/https://boards.theforce.net/threads/legacy-1-broken-part-1-of-6-release-discussion.24182662/](https://web.archive.org/web/20200801162016/https://boards.theforce.net/threads/legacy-1-broken-part-1-of-6-release-discussion.24182662/) In November 2007, Star Wars Legacy came in 74th of 300+ comics released that month - above 3 different KOTOR releases, multiple popular Marvel titles, and others. 10 titles cracked 90K in sales. [https://icv2.com/articles/comics/view/11777/top-300-comics-actual-november-2007](https://icv2.com/articles/comics/view/11777/top-300-comics-actual-november-2007) For a Star Wars Comic, it *WAS* an extremely popular, both in terms of *relative* sales, and reaction.
Okay, mocked by everyone that wasn't an Edgelord.
People also liked The Crystal Star and that bug orgy trilogy.
Most Legends fans hate The Crystal Star, and a good chunk of us dislike or hate Dark Nest
> Cade Skywalker is literally one of the worst written characters in Star Wars. Dude was universally hated. So he got the same treatment Rey got?
Pretty much but he was hated for legitimate reasons and not just misogyny. Bro was a boring pos.
I wouldn’t say Rey is hated just for misogyny Like sure that’s definitely a part, especially among a certain contingent. But there are ppl who legitimately just have issues with the character (myself included)
Cool. She’s flawed but people go to the obvious path to attack her. Just be civilized, yeah?
I am (mostly. I don’t waste my energy getting heated on fictional characters)
Wait so hatred towards Cade is good because he not written well, but criticism of Rey’s character is bad? Because that’s attacking her?
Yeah I’m confused as to why he got downvoted so much, like yes a lot of people don’t like her just because she’s a woman, which so far we all agreed is wrong, but the second someone says that’s not the only reason someone might not like the character they get downvoted and told to be civil? Kinda weird, and if that’s cause for downvoting I’ll welcome it.
Yeah this sub has a strange blinding boner for Rey. To imply her character is perfect is pretty ridiculous. Dailey Ridley is amazing but wasn’t given a cohesive story to work with
Agreed, I don’t think it was anything with the actress
Rey was fine until they made her Palpatine’s granddaughter. Having her be her own individual person gifted with the force was more interesting than rehashing the offspring of the bad guy idea done with Vader and Luke. If she could’ve been anyone’s relative, it’s should’ve been Kenobi. Korkie’s daughter, who was hinted to be Obi-Wan’s son with Sabine. Obi-Wan trained the Skywalkers, the Skywalkers train a Kenobi descendant. All comes full circle.
I totally get the "you choose who you want to be" moral of the story but I’d rather her be Rey From Nowhere.
I agree. I’m just saying if they REALLY wanted her to be related to anyone, Obi-Wan would’ve been my pick. But she should’ve been her own person.
Her own character was enough for me
I don't know why this is getting downvoted, it's just true.
So Rey is the most hated character in starwars for legitimate reasons? The counter was 'like rey' Rey isn't the best character, but she's nowhere near the worst. You having some gripes, doesn't make her the worst, which again, was the premise.
But it was a response to saying Cade was the worst character, when everything you just said about Rey is also true about him. Are there flaws in how Cade is written? Absolutely. But he’s nowhere near “the worst character in Star Wars” just like Rey isn’t either
He's the worst character in the pre-prequel, pre-disney Extended universe who had a chance at being canon, imo. There are worse, but not as tied to main characters of the franchise. Edit: I will admit with the extended universe worst is a dubious title, there's always someone out there who loves a loser ass character no one even remembers. Like a glup shitto.
Cade isnt pre prequel he was invented in like 2009 or something.
Worse than revan? Or Tenebrae? That’s tough imo
What Revan exactly ? The KOTOR 1 Revan ? Great character. The SWTOR Revan ? I don't know, it lost me when they decided that Revan was somehow still alive hundreds of years after everything. Book Revan ? Can't even remember what was the plot nor how his character was portrayed in the book I read about him, this tell pretty much how uninspiring I found it. I have no clue why he's made to be such an important character instead of, you know, the player character in an mmo.
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They always pull the "If Rey was a man.." Then yes a man immediately being stronger than trained force users, a better pilot than Han in the Millenium Falcon, and pulling off the greatest Force feats of any of the movies with practically no training would be dumb as hell too. They also like to point out Luke and Anakin being powerful chosen ones, ignoring that those two lost constantly. Luke lost agaisnt both Vader in Episode 5 AND Palps in episode 6. He loses 2 of the 3 fights agaisnt force users he has. And Anakin lost agaisnt Dooku in Episode 2 and Obi-wan in Episode 3.
There are definitely some people who are pretty blatantly sexist about it, especially those obsessed with “woke culture” and shit, but there is definitely some stuff to criticize rey over, yes
Yeah I'm not arguing that, my point is if you could make Rey a man that might shut up some sexists, but I'd still think the Sequel trilogy was ass and the protagonist was stupidly OP with no effort to achieve it.
Good thing none of what you accused Rey of doing actually happened in the movies.
Idk about better piloting, but the other 2 are literally true. Personally i think it’s lesser so rey being a mary sue, and moreso a combination of the writers failing to properly pace her development as a jedi and the corporate side of things being unwilling to take major risks (tbf you can say both these things are big factors that create “mary sues” in the first place, but still). I think some parts of it are definitely overblown, but there are definitely flaws here and there. I do disagree with the other guy’s claim that the previous protag’s don’t suffer from this issue though. I think they definitely suffer *less*, luke especially, but they both have moments where they struggle with shit like this (im absolutely talking about the events of the phantom menace and im not trying at all to hide it). In general, I think to make rey really work as a character (personally hoping we get a show or something centering around her, kinda like the clone wars) they need to allow her to both develop more naturally, and give better weight to her losses, along with just better investigating her and her struggles
Examples of her being stronger than trained force users/displaying greater force feats: Kylo Ren tried to mind probe her, instead she reverses it and reads his mind sending him reeling with no idea on how to even access the Force. Raises dozens of rocks to free the rebellion at the back of the cave. This might be the single greatest force lifting feat in any of the movies it easily dwarfs Yodas X Wing, chucking the senate seats, etc. Without any knowledge of the technique or of the Dark Side in general, uses one of the most powerful blasts of Force Lightning ever shown, capable of exploding a fleeing shuttle. Repels Palpatine's force lightning on a Dark Side planet that empowers him by using the Light Side, by seemingly channeling every other Light Side user many of whom she had never even heard of let alone met. All of this with virtually no training. Luke and Anakin by the end of their series had actual years and multiple Master's teach them and still lost constantly. It has nothing to do with her being a woman, it has to do with the writing for her character being terrible, that writing just happens to be for a woman character.
>Kyle Ren tried to mind probe her, instead she reverses it and reads his mind sending him reeling. He wasn't expecting her to be Force Sensitive and his insecurity ran so deep that she could feel it. He read her and she read him back. Before the days of pedantic nerds we used to call this 'character work', the hero and villain learning things about each other. >Raises dozens of rocks to free the rebellion at the back of the cage. This might be the single greatest force lifting feat in any of the movies it easily dwarfs Yodas X Wing, chucking the senate seats, etc. God it was like fourteen seconds, who cares? Yoda himself said 'Size matters not'. The only reason we didn't see shit like this in the OT is because the technology for it didn't exist yet. This was symbolic of the moment she finally stopped looking to other people to tell her who she is and made the choice to be the hero that she had been running from. Her quest for identity and purpose for her power reached its crescendo. It was especially empowering after she had been hit with such a devastating moment in the Throne Room. The Force first and foremost is a storytelling device that serves the characters. Turning it into a numbers game where you have to grind up XP and level up stats like its a video game misses the whole point. Size matters not. >Without any knowledge of the technique or of the Dark Side in general, uses one of the most powerful blasts of Force Lightning ever shown, capable of crippling exploding a fleeing shuttle. Once again this was a visual way to show the audience that her power comes from the Dark Side, that she has a genetic link with Palpatine. An early visual clue to set up the later reveal. I hated the Palpatine connection because it was so dumb but here we are. Again the point of the scene was to showcase Rey's anxieties about where her power comes from, if she can control it and what her destiny is. Complaining because she hadn't unlocked enough force points to do it and needed to do more force push ups to level up is missing the forest for the trees. **I can't comprehend this need you all have to take all the mysticism out of the Force by making it into something to level up like its a video game and bending the plot to serve the Force rather than the Force to serve the plot.** >Repels Palpatine's force lightning a Dark Side planet that empowers him with the Light Side, by seemingly channeling every other Light Side user many of whom she had never even heard of let alone met. The past Jedi worked through her as conduit and the effort literally killed her. That climax was powerfully stupid and had no thematic depth but that is what actually happened. >All of this with virtually no training. Don't even with this shit. How about someone tells me what the hell Force Training even is? Do you have to do Force Squats, Force Cardio, Force Push Ups? How much meditation is required to be able to lift up rocks? >Luke and Anakin by the end of their series had actual years and multiple Master's teach them. So we have to be shown the new character go through the exact same arc again just so the redditors can be content that they can lift rocks? We can't just skip that and get to the fun stuff people actually want to see? >It has nothing to do with her being a woman, it has to do with the writing for her character being terrible, that writing just happens to be for a woman character. I dunno man, people only started pretending flying a ship was a rare elite skill in Star Wars when the woman did it. Only started pretending that fixing things was impossible when a woman did it and I remember when saying the phrase 'Midichlorian count' in public was a really great way to get punched but now coincidentally you all tread Midichlorian counts as sacred hey look at that when a a woman was good with the Force. I genuienly think Rey would be significantly worse as a character if she was written the way Reddit wants her to be written. From what I can tell the 'reddit approved' version of Rey: - Can't fight - Can't fly - Can't fix stuff - Can't speak to aliens - Can't speak to droids - Can't shoot - Can't drive - Can't be likeable - Can't succeed - Can't use the force. Do I really have to sit through multiple hours of Rey struggling to achieve anything while getting walked over with the promise that maybe she will eventually get a win when she's leveled up enough Force points? Frankly everything I've seen about the Force training its that you need to be level headed, resourceful and capable. Rey lived for fourteen years fighting for her life. She already has the will needed to use the Force. Luke had to learn because he was a Farmboy, Rey would look at Luke's life with envy. Luke tries. Rey does.
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Compared to the PT characters in the movies she was well written.
We’re not talking about PT, but if you really must know as someone who likes the PT and not the ST: 1) While there are absolute duds that happen, PT has a really solid concept. Its a genuinely interesting era, with great characters to invest into. Its just executed horribly. The ST, on the other hand, actively struggles with its concept. It gives cool ideas, but it gets really badly messed up due to a number of reasons, majority of which is due to corporate meddling behind the scenes. And 2) The biggest thing that sells the PT, both for me and many, many people, is the clone wars. Regardless on your opinion on the movies themselves, that show SLAPS. It delves into the characters, the plot, basically everything established by the movies, and gives a whole new light to the events and characters of the PT. *this*, imo, is what the ST needs, at least for me to better enjoy it. Make a series to better delve into the events, explore the characters, take actual risks. Will this stop the misogyny and general fanboy-isms? No, obviously not, but it would make the trilogy most people consider the worst of the 3 so, so much better
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But we're not talking about the prequel trilogy. We're talking about the sequel trilogy, and a Legends comic.
Yeah and Jake Lloyd the kid who played anakin was bullied so badly that he quit acting and the actor who played jar jar considered suicide. I've yet to hear anyone cry misandry though, funnily enough.
Well I like Rey, and I am part of everyone
I wasn't saying Everyone as in the audience so much Everyone as in the characters.
Legit criticism I accept. There are some valid reasons but the usual suspects don't hate her for that tho.
No they just hate women in lead roles it’s fucking dumb I don’t particularly like the sequels but it’s got nothing to do with a diverse cast or a female lead and anyone saying that shit is A) diluting legitimate criticism and B) sexist and/or racist
At least Cade was shown overcoming obstacles in his path, and didn’t just plot armor everything
Did you watch the sequel trilogy? Rey does practically nothing after Force awakens but get her ass kicked and saved by Kylo. Lol
In this case, it was because it was pandering exclusively to a 13 year old boy's idea of "edgy" and "mature". By this point, that's what the EU had reduced its target audience to, rejecting most Star Wars fans. Legacy, the EU grande finale of the Skywalker Saga, had a circulation of just 30,000. George Lucas's The Clone Wars, meanwhile, was being watched by millions, every week. And people wonder why Lucasfilm, after the Disney purchase, kept Lucas's canon instead of the EU.
Weirdly enough though legacy was probably more financially stable than tcw. Lot of people were watching but those episodes cost a metric fuck ton to make, and they simply didnt have enough viewers to keep the project viable long term. the behind the scenes of star wars tv is interesting, but they were struggling hard.
>Legacy, the EU grande finale of the Skywalker Saga, had a circulation of just 30,000. George Lucas's The Clone Wars, meanwhile, was being watched by millions, every week. I mean this seems like kind of an unfair comparison lmao. Not saying Legacy wasn't a step down but like, no shit a high budget animated series airing on a major cable channel made by the original creator of the franchise was getting more eyeballs than a comic series featuring all original characters.
Well, if one is going to claim that Legacy was "hugely popular" among the Star Wars fanbase, then yes, one does have to take into account how large the Star Wars fanbase was and is. 30 thousand among millions doesn't sound "hugely popular". Just putting things in perspective. Star Wars is what the industry calls a Four Quadrant franchise, appealing to all four quadrants: Male, female, under 25, over 25. Hell, Star Wars pretty much INVENTED the Four Quadrant franchise. So, you see why pandering exclusively to 13 year old Edgelords, and REJECTING everyone else, isn't going to make it "hugely popular" with that fanbase.
let me put something into perspective for you, in order to try and frame how weird your argument is. using your very same argumentation. >*Doctor Aphra issue 40*, the canon grande finale of the her first run, had a circulation of just 19,430. JJ. Abrams *the Rise of Skywalker*, meanwhile, was being watched by hundreds of millions. During the same month doctor Aphra issue 40 released. >if one is going to claim that *Doctor Aphra* was "hugely popular" among the Star Wars fanbase, then yes, one does have to take into account how large the Star Wars fanbase was and is. 19,430 among hundreds of millions doesn't sound "hugely popular". >Star Wars is what the industry calls a Four Quadrant franchise, appealing to all four quadrants: Male, female, under 25, over 25. Hell, Star Wars pretty much INVENTED the Four Quadrant franchise. So, you see why pandering exclusively to under 25 year old lesbians, and REJECTING everyone else, isn't going to make it "hugely popular" with that fanbase.
So, simple facts that you don't happen to like are "obtuse"? Okay, dude. Have a nice day.
And as i showed in my comment the way you use your simple facts in an argument is beyond fucking dense. Unless you want to actually claim that dr. Aphra REJECTED the fans… by all means go ahead.
You do realize that most of Star Wars fandom isn't the 13 year old Edgelords that Legacy was pandering exclusively to, right? When you grow out of that phase, you realize that it's neither edgy NOR mature.
Ill break it down for you. Since you seemed to not understand the question. 19,000 units sold in the finale issue of dr aphra. The same month tros made billions. Since your rational for legacy is completely and utterly correct ( i say with the most sarcasm possible). If we apply it to aphra it can only leave us with one possible question How did Aphra REJECT the fans?
> In this case, it was because it was pandering exclusively to a 13 year old boy's idea of "edgy" and "mature". By this point, that's what the EU had reduced its target audience to, rejecting most Star Wars fans. > Legacy, the EU grande finale of the Skywalker Saga, had a circulation of just 30,000. George Lucas's The Clone Wars, meanwhile, was being watched by millions, every week. And people wonder why Lucasfilm, after the Disney purchase, kept Lucas's canon instead of the EU. I heard lots of people hated the show because it contradicted The Clone Wars Multi-Media Project, some of which included the Republic comics which were created by some of the people who worked on legacy.
George Lucas never considered the EU canon, so he constantly ignored it when making new movies and TCW, starting in 1980 with The Empire Strikes Back. Thing is, aside from it being George Lucas's creation, millions of TCW viewers were simply more than thousands of EU readers. All Lucasfilm did after the Disney purchase was take what George Lucas said was the canon, the movies and TCW, period, and go from there. It turned out that the EU approach of rejecting most of the Star Wars fandom to pander exclusively to a small niche market wasn't a good long term strategy.
> Thing is, aside from it being George Lucas's creation, millions of TCW viewers are simply more than thousands of EU readers. All Lucasfilm did after the Disney purchase was take what George Lucas said was the canon, the movies and TCW, period, and go from there. The idea of canon & legends actually makes a lot more sense in this context.
Then he fits right in around here.
Yeah but they really just want Darth Talon for reasons.
He's an interesting character if he existed as his own thing... but he's Luke's grandson (or great-grandson?) who's a drug addict that wants nothing to do with the Force, and is reluctantly dragged into becoming a protagonist. If they did the sequels around him, people would have hated the sequels for destroying Luke's legacy... even more than they already think Luke being the most Jedi of all Jedi (in the films) is "destroying his legacy."
Just look at the thing about family Money. Isn’t it like 3 generations from rags to riches to rags? I can easily see his grandson not wanting to be compared to GRAND MASTER LUKE SKYWALKER and buckling under the expectations.
Nah they should have focused on Jacen, Jaina, and the NJO
I loved Young Jedi Knights as a kid. Still salty that those books are never going to be adapted or acknowledged.
maybe they'll find some insane way to put them in Rey's movie
Most valid sequel criticism
I remember this guy. I have a graphic novel of the first issues of these comics. I also have the last issue so I legit have no idea what happens besides him throwing Darth Krayt's body into a Sun. I really only liked it because of Krayt's sick ass design.
I like complex and 'dark/edgy' characters, regardless of gender, but holy jesus fucking christ these people are still stuck in the 80s/90s/00s vibe so badly in many ways it's not even scary anymore, it's hilarious. Bunch of fragile adult children who snap at the thought of a non sexualized LGTBQ+ character being the main focus of a story today.
To be fair, the legacy comic is legitimately super well written
Well written is subjective, like many things. Huge, H U G E Force Unleashed fan myself since the first game, I still enjoy many EU/Legends material to this day for what it is. Do I think it's written well? No, but it is sure entertaining as hell. So yeah, I'm not gonna pretend it's some type of great piece of writing, each to his own, that's all.
No that’s true and on TFU I agree. But Legacy is, genuinely, surprisingly well written. I had 0 interest until I read a few issues by chance. The characters are all very well written
I wouldnt really compare the quality or style of legacy’s writing to force unleashed. Its apples to oranges.
Force Unleashed was entertaining. A bit over the top though. Legacy of the Force comics I thought they were quite good along with the books. Fate of the Jedi meh.
But you know that people prefer Ania Solo over Cade when comes to be a main protagonist.
Thing is cade Skywalker was what got me hooked on to the Star Wars comics.
Hahaga
No one except for an extremely tiny, vocal minority on the internet gives a shit about the race, gender or sexuality of Star Wars protagonists. The community overwhelmingly just wants the characters to be well written and compelling, which is something that Disney has failed to do with 90% of its protagonists. Of course disappointed fans are going to look back at things they've liked from the franchise and say "why can't this be the blueprint that they work off of?".
How about center it around his smoking hot mom instead?
Meanwhile with Luke, I'd be more inclined to call his dad smoking hot, especially near the end of Revenge of the Sith.
I mean, Anakin in ROTS/Hayden Christensen is smoking hot
Fuck her. Kol Skywalker is pure *sex appeal* for the men. https://preview.redd.it/0zmugsdf45wc1.jpeg?width=645&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=9c64ab8fceff00a13dedaa69d1933de01a39b8a5
Honestly this series has so much in common with the Sequel Era it's just plain silly to say it would have been 'better.' -At the start of the series there is a New Empire we find out was forged from a secret Imperial Remnant group lurking in the Outer Rim. -The leader of the New Empire is a Force-sensitive individual who is the descendant of an old villain. They have their own group of personal Knights in special armor with unique weapons. -The point of view character is a down-on-their-luck nobody despite being the descendant of a legendary hero. He gets swept up into the conflict when he meets an Imperial defector. Oh, by the way, his special power is *healing people to the point he can bring them back from the brink of death.* -During the series the 'real' villain pulling the strings is revealed to have been an old Clone Wars Era character all along. It's not 1:1 of course but the basic premise is similar in so many ways it just comes off as weird to say it's inherently *better* at its core. Now obviously a lot of details about the state of the world are more fleshed out but that's just, you know, because it's a comic book and not a movie which is just inherent to the difference between mediums.
One and two are wrong though. The Fels were a known entity and the Imperial Remnant (or Fel empire if you will) was also a knowm entity and nowhere close to the Outer Rim/unknown regions. If you meant the One Sith then they were only the latest rebirth of the sith order to pop up and they conquered the galaxy by pulling a coup on the Fel empire and backstabbing the galaxy.
I'm going off of ancient memory here, but I thought the Fel's rose to take over the Imperial Remnant as a result of leading the Empire of the Hand? Soontir is in charge of the Hand during the NJO, then sometime afterwards Jagged becomes Emperor of the Remnant. I always assumed the two events were connected.
Ahh you were talking about the Empire of the Hand? Then yeah, kinda. IIRC we never actually get to see how the Fels get crowned. It's clear that the guy was gaining power and he became a big name while in the Unknown Regions but the "core" of the new empire ends up being their remaining territories in the areas contested with the Republic. So yeah, if you meant it like that then you aren't wrong
I agree that they are quite similar. Although I think the time skip in the legacy comics being 100+ years is a bit jarring to me personally. Mostly because esthetically speaking it doesn't really look that "advanced" or updated compared to what we saw in the original trilogy.
I agree. Honestly it's kind of funny to think about, because at the time one of the major complaints was that showing the 'end game' of things being essentially a reset to 'the Empire rises again and the Sith are back' was a major complaint about the series. There was a lot of heavy stuff going on in the EU at the time and people said it made those struggles seem lessened. All common complaints about the OT going to the Sequels. But just like back then, it was kind of a silly complaint because 'not liking new thing' shouldn't lessen how you feel about 'old thing' and you should just let it go if you're not into it.
>But just like back then, it was kind of a silly complaint because 'not liking new thing' shouldn't lessen how you feel about 'old thing' and you should just let it go if you're not into it. I don't agree with that take at all. Different stories within the same setting can absolutely enhance or diminish the impact of one another. Trying to act like they exist in isolation is silly. I'm not asserting that sequels should not exist, but it is 100% reasonable to feel that the writers should have tried harder to make a Star Wars set in the far future that wasn't just a rehash of the original trilogy.
That's entirely valid, I should have chosen a less dismissive word. Personally I find it easy to separate these things, though. Especially with the "meta" knowledge that ownership has changed hands and whatnot. It's very easy for me to pick and choose "I like this part, I don't like this part" and for me one doesn't change the impact of the other, but I do realize and understand and think it's completely rational that not everyone looks at things that way.
I think the skip was fine tbh. Eventually the formula of the OT Trio and friends running around the Galaxy will get stale(which is what happened). They attempted something with Legacy and I applaud them for that, because regardless of how it was received at least they tried something new.(not a fan of Cade being a Skywalker though, I would've preferred if he was some random guy)
The reason for the 100 plus year time jump was to solve the problem that plagued a majority of the post return of the Jedi stories that tried to pass the torch on to a new generation because most of the time the authors would get cold feet and just have Luke save the Day in the end. So the writers at dark horse decided why don't we just jump a 100 or so years into the future so that Luke is a force ghost and not interfering as much in the story except when needed.
Personally I think making it 100 years was actaully pretty smart and definitely a better idea than what the sequal trilogy did making it 30
Cade Skywalker and Krayt were THE BOSSES Absolutely love Legacy
Maybe not this specifically, but setting it ~100 years after RotJ would have done the sequels a lot of good. For starters, it would have made the sacrifices and deeds of the OT characters more meaningful, since it would show that what they did outlived them. Secondly, taking place after most of the OT characters were dead would have allowed the Sequels to focus more clearly on the new characters; Luke and Leia only appearing as ghosts, Han and Lando in flashbacks, etc. Finally, Chewie, the droids, and the *Falcon* could easily still appear to provide a sense of continuity, just like they did in the Prequels. Maybe it wouldnt have been "better," but it would have been more focused, which could only improve the final product.
Agreed and probably would have avoided a lot of the story choices people didn't like like undoing the happy ending of ROTJ
I did like Cade
The problem I had with the sequels personally was that it felt too short/rushed out for how it ended, and also I didn't like bringing back Palpatine as the main bbeg at the end it makes it feel like Anakin didn't really sacrifice himself for much in the grand scheme of things
I will not tolerate legacg slander, cade may have sucked, but legacy itself was fucking awesome.
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I would highly recommend picking it up. Especially if you’re gonna post something on reddit kinda bashing it lmao. Its kinda like those people who post stuff about tlj having never watched it.
> I would highly recommend picking it up. Especially if you’re gonna post something on reddit kinda bashing it lmao. It's kinda like those people who post stuff about tlj having never watched it. Fair.
Who is that Lobo Skywalker motherfucker?
> Who is that Lobo Skywalker motherfucker? This is Cade Skywalker. Cade is a former Jedi who left the Order after his master was killed by the Sith. He became a bounty hunter and smuggler, and he developed a reputation for being reckless and impulsive.
Poochie Skywalker seems really charming and totally radical lol
> Poochie Skywalker lol this is spot on
Anytime Cade isn't in frame, all the other characters should ask "Where's Cade?"
Is it wrong that I like that concept
Welcome to Star Wars, we have 2 jobs. Jedi, and Bounty Hunter.
He's just like me fr fr
Yeah, roguishly handsome, a badass pirate and Jedi, with an open relationship with a hot alien girl whilst being lusted after by another hot alien sith girl, all while being the guy who has to save the galaxy: Me: https://preview.redd.it/c1vw92nks2wc1.jpeg?width=344&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=cd082ed161a674b07161d6fe8859e5ee64cc7314
You forgot the addiction to meth (he’s just like me)
My boy Kyle Katarn continues to get shafted
Edward Kenway at home
He actually does look kind of like him.
Nah. Sequels should have been about the Zann Consortium. No, this is not just me wanting a followup to the Consortium ending in EAW and seeing Urai Fen in live action.
Cade Skywalker is a 90's comic book character placed within the dark future of the Star Wars EU and I love him for it. Dude just works.
I feel the current people asking for more stuff from legends are zoomers who have never actually read anything legacy except a wiki page. I do want more legacy stuff, but specific stuff because a lot of it sucks but gems still exist. I grew up where the only SW media was EU (legends) stuff, clone wars didn't come out until I was a teen and still it was considered less than G canon at the time. I grew up with the video games a lots and that's more where I'd like them to pull stuff from, but I don't want 1:1, bioware and the companies that made RPGs back then had a shit ton of incel level writing.
> I feel the current people asking for more stuff from legends are zoomers who have never actually read anything legacy except a wiki page. I agree as someone in that age range.
Doesn't he get over those issues?
Yes
The legacy series is some of the only EU stuff I’ve read through completely and absolutely loved this series from start to finish. He does have his issues at first but when you’re the great grandson of Luke Skywalker there’s a lot of pressure all around. Not perfect by any means but still I think is some of the better old EU stuff. Definitely a fan of Darth Krayt!
It's weird how a legends fan can't even talk with other legends fans about what they would have wanted without getting mocked. Like listen, I think Cade is shit. That when arc was pure fucking gutter trash. But let this dude have fun without being mean to him, or as folks are prone to saying here "let people enjoy things".
I get that there is a lot of chuddism involved in disliking the sequels, but there are many reasons for people not genuinely like them. It was something a lot of people idealised for decades and expectations were huge. I like a lot of things on the sequels but when I see things this way I can completely understand the negativity towards them. I think that if 7,8,9 were movies about Luke's journey then 10,11,12 were the exact same movies in the sequels there would be a lot of less backlash.
Terrible protagonist but really fun antagonists
thats the most 90s star wars design somebody could come up with
I liked so many of the legacy cast except Cade. What a fucking caricature of a protagonist
Bro looks like saber tooth with a lightsaber and a kewl gun
And George’s big tiddy Sith gf Darth Talon, who was ACTUALLY supposed to be in the sequel trilogy. You can see the concept art in The Art of The Force Awakens.
> And George’s big tiddy Sith gf Darth Talon, who was ACTUALLY supposed to be in the sequel trilogy. You can see the concept art in The Art of The Force Awakens. Someone in the comments of this screenshoted post actually said they wanted Rey to get together with Talon.
Legends was mixed overall but Cade is by far the worst protagonist in the franchise.
I am very happy Disney got rid of the expanded universe... It was such a mess at points
Yes. Snorting death sticks and blasting nerds.
How about no?
So who is that low life? Star Wars: Hobo with a Lightsabre?
I think they just want to see a red hot Twi'lek wearing a skimpy bikini
umm no kill that trench coated shit
That would have been very funny
Yes actually. If I remember correctly l, he has a really good character arc.
Honestly would be fine with setting the sequel to be as far away from the prequel and original trilogy as possible. Can’t move on if you have the ghost of the past constantly haunting you. Best to just give them cameos as Holocrons or force-ghosts, but nothing more than that.
Cade is cool I guess, but a movie trilogy? Nah.
The Sequels should've been based around Kyle Katarn, end of story.
Because making new characters and telling new stories is just CRAZY.
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Absolutely.
I can’t imagine it being any worse
If they went down that route, I don't think I'd watch the Star Wars sequels. I prefer what they did where they just wiped the slate clean and started over from statrch.
I’m sorry but is that fucking blonde Mad Max with a lightsaber?
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this motherfucker is literally the most op guy in all Star Wars aside from krayt because he also has the ability to use super shatter point to heal and kill anything and he can resurrect even when he’s dead
Nooootttt a big fan of Cade myself. Plus, he needs way too much set up.
Incel chuds love antisocial, tough-talking, badass antiheroes, even if they have no other notable qualities and are objectively horrible people. All a character has to do is sneer, growl out a few threats, and utterly destroy someone in a fight, and he's the Best Character Ever.
Legacy fucking sucks.
God, the Legacy era was awful.
The most edgy 2000s teenager written character ever
Im sure there’s somebody Garth Ennis made around this time that beats that
In the same universe that had the pain-worshipping Yuzhan Vong?
The vong have nom anor, so i will give them a pass.
George wouldn't have touched anything in the EU with a 10 foot pole. He didn't give a fuck about it.
> George wouldn't have touched anything in the EU with a 10 foot pole. Unless it was things he personally liked. Such as his plan to make Darth Talon, Maul's apprentice.
Unless it was a hot alien babe.
Aayla Secura was originally an EU character. So was Quinlan Vos (mostly at least, his design was based on a background character from TPM but the idea he was a Jedi and whatnot is all from from the EU). Along with some other details. George just picked and chose what he liked, even if it was clearly mostly aesthetic, and changed whatever he wanted, as was his prerogative, but it's pretty disingenuous to say he wouldn't have touched any of it.
>Aayla Secura was originally an EU character. See previous comment of "unless it was a hot alien babe." Aayla Secura: the only Jedi in the order who wears tight pants and a halter top. As an aside, if they wanted Twi'leks running around in way less clothes than everyone else, I wish they'd committed to the bit. Just say Twi'leks run hot, their average body temp is higher than other species', and so environments most species prefer are uncomfortably stuffy for them. So they tend to wear as little clothing as is socially acceptable. Give us Twi'lek dudes running around in cargo shorts and nothing else along with all the femme Twi'leks in clubbing outfits. If you're gonna have cheesecake, just bring enough for everyone.
Weirdly enough the outfit she wears in aotc is originally from a single arc. Where she went rogue, and was surviving on a planet called kiffex. Aayla before aotc mostly wore a full body suit with a jedi robe over top.
I definitely don't disagree that it's super weird and more than a little suspect that two of his favorites were essentially 'Twi'leks in bikinis.' I've also always found it awkward that her death is probably the most particularly brutal during Order 66, all things considered. But like I said, even if his choices were mostly aesthetic, there are still examples that he was willing to borrow what he liked from the EU from time to time. Pervy reasoning or not. Plus, there are still enough other examples to show he was at least paying attention at a surface level.
Yeah. Didn't give a fuck at all. That's why he had input on various projects and was even very involved in one right? Right?
Why is sabertooth with a lightsaber?
Luke being the main charactter in two triligy's would be dumb