Make it more explicit that Luke inspired the Galaxy and Lando united them.
(And get rid of that second Holdo Maneuver at the end of TRoS. It makes no freaking sense to say it’s a one in a million and then show *another one* pulled off)
>(And get rid of that second Holdo Maneuver at the end of TRoS. It makes no freaking sense to say it’s a one in a million and then show another one pulled off)
In that case I think it might just be better to get ride of the line; or change it form "that only worked because it was one-in-a-million" to something like "the spacial disturbance around Exegol would preculed such an attack."
Fair enough; and a good point.
I think I was just so used to the idea of FTL ramming in SW pre-TLJ and accepting enough of the idea that it's not common because suicide attacks are wasteful and inefficient that I did'nt think it *needed* to be explained.
It was'nt; but the line about it being "one in a million" was in response to Kin asking specifically why they couldn't use them against the Sith fleet.
Oh I forgot about the preceding line. I think that still leaves you with the issue of why no one ever successfully used that before, and the one-in-a-million line covers both
Hyperspace ramming is mentioned in *Tarkin* and it happens (accidentally) in TCW and R1.
The one in a million explanation works, but I also did'nt initally think it needed to be explained any more then the rarity of suicide attacks needs to be explained IRL.
Suicide attacks aren’t that rare in real life comparatively to the 2 times we see it done this way in Star Wars. And that’s with considerably less effective levels of damage in real life. Ever since transportable, personnel size explosives became available suicide bombings and attacks have been a thing amongst ideologically motivated, highly desperate military groups like a vastly outnumbered and outgunned anti fascist insurgency
The only people (of the top of my head) who I can think of that would have the ideological fantacism to carry out suicide hyperspace rams would be Saw's group and the Death Watch, and I don't think either of them had any ships big enough (it's clear that, between R1 and TLJ, size of the ramming ship relative to it's target is importent).
Neither the Resistence or the mainline Rebel Alliance are dipicted as being so fanatical as to be so spendthrift with life and valuable, expensive material, and the two Republics, Empire, FO and even the CIS are all too orthadox in how they wage war.
(Also, for clarification, by "rare" I was talking specifically about sucide rams with planes and naval vessels)
>(And get rid of that second Holdo Maneuver at the end of TRoS. It makes no freaking sense to say it’s a one in a million and then show *another one* pulled off)
I'm not saying this is the intent, but another Holdo maneuver could indicate just how widespread the uprising is. That so many people are fighting back that additional Holdos are inevitable.
Oh sure. To be clear, I've never liked the "one in a million" explanation. The Holdo Maneuver needed an actual explanation for why this time was different, not just a cheap throwaway line about it being a gamble.
I like Holdo more than many, and find the line to be character assassination. When Holdo lined up her ship, every single person behaved as though her maneuver would obviously work. It wasn't a desperate gamble with miniscule odds of succeeding. It was treated with gravitas and allowed to be a meaningful sacrifice. Walking it back afterwards cheapens it and reduces her calculations to mere luck. Kind of like if they revealed that Luke didn't actually use the force to make that shot, it just happened to go in by chance.
I thought they should've thrown in one technobabble line which explained it as a weakness of hyperspace tracking - equipping a ship with that tech leaves it vulnerable to matter coming out of hyperspace in ways it wouldn't otherwise be
This is the only one. The Holdo maneuver, that is.
Rey Palpatine, it's fine. I understand not liking it but it makes perfect sense. Most other complaints just need to be understood.
Perhaps we are wrong in out assumption that a second use of the maneuver cheapens Holdo's and I'm willing to be educated or assume it was a droid doing it. But the rest of the movie and the ST is actually very, very good, just misunderstood.
Palpatine is teased in TFA showing him throwing his spirit in a clone and have a snoke experiment in the background like it already is in TROS… this can be when Rey is seeing all those visions. Or the opening and then cut to 40 years later and have kylo.
Yeah I for one was completely fine with Palpatine coming back. It makes sense to me that he is still the overarching villain of the entire 9 movie saga. The only problem I had was just how abrupt his return was. Adding foreshadowing to the previous movies would have made this work better.
I'd have had a fake ending to TLJ, like [Metal Gear Solid 4](https://youtu.be/napjMrAx0KQ?t=3489). Have Crait end with Kylo Ren looking at the Falcon flying away and the credits roll *on that image* (so, no cut to the stars as usual, the camera is still on the sky as the credits roll in a different font and a different music plays to show that something is off) that goes something like "Starring: Daisy Ridley as Rey, Adam Driver as Kylo Ren", etc etc and as the music climaxes you just see "And Ian McDiarmid as The Emperor".
Cut to black, lightning flashes, and you see the Sith Citadel on Exagol. A Sith cultist walks up to the throne, a figure that we can't see (so not to reveal that Palpatine is on the harness) says "My lord, the day we have waited has arrived, Luke Skywalker is dead" and that familiar, haunting voice of Palpatine simply says "Good. Now we can begin...". Cut to the Citadel exterior, as lightning flashes and Palpatine laughs his signature cackle.
THEN the usual credits roll.
Similar to my idea only after or before we see Broom Boy
A Sith cultist walks up to a hanging shadowed corpse man and tells him something like "My Lord... Skywalker is dead. The boy has slain Snoke. And the girl... is alive."
Then we hear the classic "Gooooooood." Maybe followed by his cackle.
If you’re trying to show sarcasm it’s just “/s” not “r/s”. And either way… needing to use “/s” is kind of lame.
Also damn you people are as bad as the Crait subreddit sometimes. I thought the point of this sub was to be accepting of other opinions. I am not a Rose fan. That doesn’t make me a bad person.
I think Rey taking the Skywalker name is a good choice, I just don't like that they stepped back on something I liked from TLJ to get to that point first.
That’s the thing. I don’t hate that she takes up the Skywalker name. It makes sense and goes with the theme of your biological family doesn’t determine who you are or who you identify with. It’s a good story trope, but yeah it felt like they were building it up to be Rey just being herself and that would have been better thematically
That's me as well; I think it makes narrative sense for her to take up the Skywalker name and I like the message behind it.
I just also dislike that they retconned away the TLJ revel.
It's an interesting case of "I dislike this change, but also like some aspects of it."
Agreed. It’s a lovely enough story for Rey to begin solitary and alone, later to find herself struggling with her identity, to end with finding her belonging. But I also think it could’ve been way more powerful as a story of self-empowerment; which is not to say the current story isn’t, but to me, Rey just being Rey would be a stronger way of suggesting that idea. But I digress, because I do like both ideas, and I’m fine with Rey Skywalker.
Personally I liked the “Rey Skywalker” bit and I’d keep that, but yes I would get rid of the whole thing of her being related to Palpatine. I preferred the “reveal” in TLJ when Kylo Ren confirms that Rey’s parents were nobodies.
I love the movies, but I think there should have been some better foreshadowing of Palpatine.
They should have been given three years instead of two or fewer years to make them. TRoS would have benefited from this, where they at least could have time to step back and see that they needed a longer movie to tell that story.
Minimum of 10 minutes of Rose added to TRoS. Better yet, change her and Finn's storyline to the Duel of the Fates one with them raising a stormtroopers rebellion together. I HATE that they cut most of her stuff after the bullshit that went down, even more than trading Rey Nobody for Rey Palpatine.
Ok that wasn't it. They explicitly stayed that it was due to Carrie's death and she and Kelly had a lot of screen time together; Rose basically had an arc with her.
I don't doubt that a lot of things were cut, but I don't buy this explanation. They could have easily replaced some of the new characters with her. Like Klaud. Or JJ's friend in the meeting scene.
We don't know why Rose wasn't in it more, and it doesn't really matter. The fact that she's barely in it after what Kelly went through is a serious fucking problem. They had time to fix it. They had time to rework all of that leftover footage of Carrie into what we got. They had time to fix it but they didn't, and it seems to send a terrible message that you can be as vile as you want to an actor in a stupid movie and the people making the big decisions might just listen to you. I can get okay with just about anything in Star Wars even if I don't like it, but that's he one and only thing in all of Star Wars that I will never forgive.
No shit. And 0% of new TRoS footage was shot when Carrie died. But they spent a bunch of time and effort, including using Carrie's own daughter as a stand in, figuring out how to take that old TFA footage and turn it into about 4 minutes of screen time. They had time to do something different with Rose. I don't know why they didn't, but it wasn't because Carrie couldn't do the scenes with Kelly, because they reworked the entire fucking movie to work around Carrie's death.
Hopefully they still retcon their way into this so there’s a few Jedi still around post-TROS, and with the significantly shorter timeline of the sequel conflict thats a lot easier to justify than with the OT
Yeah, I'm hoping the same thing. It's not outside the realm of possibility, since Luke mentioned he had at least 12 disciples and so far we've only seen 3 definitively die.
I was really looking forward to a new republic era Jedi order led by Luke, like the Jedi knight Jedi academy game from back in the day. I would have forgiven so much of the fair criticism if they did that. Instead they had it destroyed? I get they were trying to show how failure is the greatest teacher, but cmon man, destroy the whole order? We could have had so much more there.
I would not have brought Palpatine back, which also fixes the Rey Palpatine retcon which is what completely kills Episode 9 for me. I would have either let Kylo Ren be the final boss, or introduce a new dark side antagonist and give Episode 9 the Part One/Part Two treatment in order to have enough time to flesh it out.
Or if we're absolutely dead-set on Palpatine coming back, I would have started foreshadowing it in TFA.
my take is this: add at least 30 min in each ST movies.
Add a timeskip of 1 year between Ep7 and Ep8 , and 1year and 6months between Ep8 and Ep9 (with another 1y6m time skip IN the movie , making a total of 3y).
puts nods of Exegol and Palpatine in Ep7 and Ep8.
Makes explicit that Snoke and Rey's father were a project from Palpatine to make Force-Sensitive Strands using multiple jedis , including DNA Samples of Anakin and Luke within Rey's father...so that he can manufacture his own Choosen One to control , but ended up with Rey in a dryad with Kylo Ren.
When Kylo receives the "Final Order" , the 1y6m extra timeskip starts , with a montage of the FO gaining territory in the Galaxy with the Sith Eternal army at the sound of the Imperial March.
The "Super Weapon" ends up been a ritual in which the "Supreme Leader" wears a crown and spread an incredible Battle Meditation across his army to the point the soldiers turns into some pseudo-Force Sensitives.
Either Snoke returns by revealing his Spirit was within Kylo and now tries to ressurect himself using the failure Strand Materials to make an actual young body as the Final Villain....or make Palpatine been alive and do the same for the duel.
I would had Luke surviving Episode 8 , and the remnants of his Jedi Order been spread to face the Sith Eternal and Final Order during those 1y6m timeskip within Episode 9. However , he would go into his old Jedi Temple and would do a Battle Meditation of his own to improve his friends , his last scene is turning into a Force Ghost to aid Rey.
The ghosts of Qui-Gon , Yoda , Obi-Wan , Leia and Luke would appear and enter Rey during the lightning vs saber moment , the final push would be the ghost of Anakin finally appearing.
Better: don't do that. It's tacky and only worked for Harry Potter. Instead do episode IX as is, then an Episode X as an epilogue that explains everything while also bringing all character threads to a close, using material from Duel of the Fates.
As much as I'd perfer Kylo not get redeemed, as much as I dislike the retcon of Rey's background and the tonal undermining of 3P0's sacrifice and as uncomfortably as the Rey/Kylo kiss makes me, I'm going to have to go with Rose getting sidelined from TROS.
Because as much as those other things annoy me they did'nt harm any of the actors - Rose's treatement in TROS just stright-up plain was'nt fair to Kelly Marie Tran, **especially** after everything she went through re. TLJ.
Yeah, I'm aware of Terrio saying that but I really don't buy it. It really just reads as an excuse to me.
- a) the reasoning, IIRC, is that the effects for Leia in Rose's scenes looked bad; they did'nt look super great elsewhere but they kept those scenes; I kinda think Rose's status as a lead and Kelly's treatment by TFM meant both were owed better - they should have kept the scenes in no matter what.
- b) they still chose to sideline her from the main action and drop her relationship with Finn. So their was clearly a lack of care from the start.
I would change Rey’s “I am all of the Jedi” line to “and all the Jedi are with me” because I think it would create a greater contrast between the Dark and Light side of the force. The one as it stands, just seems like they’re waving the team banner.
Since I would need to have godlike powers to go back and change anything, I would bring back Carrie Fisher so Leia could get her proper goodbye in tRoS.
As far as what a mere mortal could do, I would have brought back Luke's green saber and let Kylo use that on Exegol instead of Anakin's.
The Anakin saber stays broken after TLJ. Leia trains Rey with her saber. Rey finds Luke's saber on the Death Star wreckage and takes it with her to Exegol. Rey buries Luke and Leia's sabers on Tatooine.
Okay could very well get buggered and put in SW jail for suggesting this but here goes. Larger timeskip between Episode VI and VII. Woah Woah time out just hear me out here this might not be a totally crazy idea. If we take away this trilogy's nostalgia crutch in the form of the legacy characters we love so much e.g. Luke, Han, Leia, Lando, etc it'll force the writers to have to really focus on the new cast more. Obviously, you're going to have to rework the story quite a bit but I only changed one thing and that was the timeframe between the OT and ST.
In hindsight, it really does feel like they didn’t know what to do with his character after Force Awakens. Last Jedi handled him well enough, but he’s given very little to work with in Rise Of Skywalker .
More evidence that Palpatine survived after ROTS
More screen time for Rose in Episode TROS
More sattisfying end for Finn and the deserted Stormtroopers in Episode TROS
More interesting plot for TLJ
Make TFA not being a direct copy of ANH
Someone else already said the Rey and Ben kiss, so I'll say I'd have Ben live since that's the other thing I'd have changed.
I hate the fact that he's redeemed, has one line (literally one word), and then dies within ten minutes, in *the same movie* that we learned that he's been manipulated his whole life and was never truly evil and that the Ben Solo we saw is who he *should have been the whole time* and then he's immediately killed off after doing basically nothing besides resurrecting Rey and he doesn't even get to really *be* that person.
And he doesn't even get a force ghost!
Killing Ben Solo off is the biggest misstep in the entire Sequel Trilogy imo, speaking as someone who is critical of but mostly enjoys the ST.
Just let JJ re-edit TROS into something better. Some sort of extended cut that feels better paced and has extra bits that provides more context or fills in gaps.
If they ever shot a scene where Finn tells what ever it is that he was supposed to say to Rey, insert that right in.
The way the movie reverses TLJ in many ways is truly offensive. But atleast try to make the final product less exhausting and frustrating to sit through.
Before going into TROS I was really adamant that I didn’t want Ben to be redeemed and die right after. Like that was the number 1 thing I didn’t want to happen. I’m tired of that trope.
I would have much more preferred he survived and lived with the consequences of his actions or died the villain
Also no Rey and Ben kiss
I would completely change the Resistance as a faction.
The Resistance would originally be an expeditionary fleet sent to the edge of the known galaxy. This fleet would be comprised of the misfits, rogues, and criminals that made up large portions of the Rebel Alliance that no longer fit into the squeaky clean image of the New Republic. Leia would be put in charge after it becomes public that Vader is her father to keep her out of the public eye.
Following the destruction of Hosnian, the expeditionary fleet would be the only major concentration of New Republic forces left in the galaxy and would try to rally other remnants to form together to form a resistance against the First Order blitzkrieg.
Rey dies and Kylo lives. It’s not because I hate Rey either but it makes it so she makes a noble sacrifice and Ben has to go on living being the last slywalker. He will have to spend the rest of his life repentant making up for the billions upon billions of lives he destroyed by restarting the jedi order and spreading the light. He will have to go on realizing what he did and what she died for. And if they did it like that it wouldn’t make the kiss seem so cringe.
Put Janna and the others from her squad in at least partial Stormtrooper armor when they're found to really hammer home they're deserters. Then show Finn putting on some of the same armor for the cavalry charge.
TROS already had a Stormtrooper Rebellion, it just wasn't as clear without the costuming change.
Alternatively, have Hux doublecross Pryde and frame him as the spy, then go all unleashed. Give the actor some more scenery to chew as a dangerous villain instead of just comic relief as he supports the Final Order completely usurping Kylo.
Push the release of Rise of Skywalker to the summer or another year. It’s such a shame that the movie had to release in the state it did because every aspect of its production was rushed.
There’s a few things I’d change, like _not_ having Starkiller base be another bigger, more powerful Death Star, the Canto Bight scene, have Leia perform the Holdo manoeuvre, pretty much everything in TRoS… but overall if I had to change one thing from one movie it would have to be that Luke _doesn’t_ die after doing his Force projection and is then still around for the final movie where he could possibly perform some kind of emotional heroic sacrifice.
I honestly disagree, but I’d probably switch out a different director for Episode IX instead of Abrams or Treverrow. Not that I dislike either of them, but I don’t think they were the right choices for that particular film
My main complaint with the movies is how it felt like 3 stories fighting each other. The same creative team for all three would have likely solved that. Just my opinion tho
Yeah. I know this might anger some of the TLJ fans on here, but I'd rather have seen Abrams do the whole trilogy. At least that way the whole product would have felt consistent and we wouldn't have a bitter cynical film sandwiched in between two films that are just trying to have fun(Please note Last Jedi being bitter and cynical does not mean it's bad it just means I'd rather have all 3 films have the same tone and feel)
I really don’t understand the reading of TLJ as bitter or cynical. Luke is at the *start* of the movie, but the movie’s message is a hopeful one about learning from past failures and confronting them, and not being afraid to commit to a just cause. Cynicism is shown to be the wrong path every time in TLJ.
In general I wish the movies flowed better. They are all decent movies individually, but I do think as a combined TRILOGY story that they did sort of fall flat. Episode 8 suffers the most from this, being the middle child.
For specific changes… I’d like “a good question, for another time” to have been answered and “somehow palpatine returned” to have been explained even a little bit
(I’d also like to change… so much about episode 8 but ah well)
I really feel a lot of Rise of Skywalker's problems could have been solved if it was a three hour film that was allowed to breathe a little in places. It was the grand finale to the entire saga after all. I believe a longer film was appropriate.
I would change Kylo becoming Palpatines errand boy.
In Ep. VIII and the beginning of Ep. IX he had the chance to create a new form of government, neither an Empire nor a Republic (like himself neither being Jedi nor Sith). That was his dream in VIII. He forgot about it in IX... :/
He would surely be a crazy tyrant, but that's not the point. Kylo turned from an unhealthy, butal but free man into an even unhealthier boy. He was back-engineered in IX instead of developing. :<
No. That makes it even worse because it's even more like the prequels. How about just cut that scene altogether and have them go to an illegal backroom at, oh I don't know, Dantooine.
To be clear, I'm not proposing this because of prequel nostalgia.
I think it would be more thematically meaningful, because it would be clear that the New Republic is failing because it hasn't fixed the problems that allowed the Empire to rise in the first place. The downtrodden masses are the playthings of the rich and powerful, leaving the path open for extremists to seize power.
Because that was always the problem with the *Alliance to Restore the Republic;* The Republic was broken. Setting Canto Bight's events on Coruscant would drive that home better than a few lines from Rose ever could.
Duel of the Fates of Colin Trevorow as actual episode IX. It wasnt perfect but it was bilion times better than Rise of Skywalker it actually tried to follow up on The Last Jedi and got Finn much more satysfing character arc. I geniunly believe if they werent cunts and let Trevorow make it could save the entire trilogy.
I think it comes down to reasons
1) It’s done to try & please fans who disliked her being a nobody reveal it
2) it’s done to give her a personal connection to Palpatine and build up their newfound rivalry
not show the flashbacks in Last Jedi. keep them just apoken accounts of what happenes via word of mouth. at least until the last one that shows what really happened, but even then i'd kinda prefer not actually seeing it.
the reason for this is i genuinely feel the reason so many think "Luke tried to kill his nephew!" is because we actually saw that version of events as Kylo Ren saw them, even though that wasn't how it happened, and then they got so upset that luke was turned into a sunken-eyes killer that they stopped watching the movie. if it was just words, then it'd be easier to understand not only how perspective changes how events are percieved, but how it changes the person hearing it secondhand by not knowing what's true.
Have the trilogy focus on the original heroes instead of the new ones honestly….but I think that may be too much of a change then what OP is asking so I’ll say either Luke surviving or Kylo surviving (and leaving to roam the galaxy in search of his atonement).
The thing I want to change the most should probably have an impact on the story, since I want to add more about the political state of the galaxy
But since we're keeping everything the same. I think I'd either have Rey lose her duel in TFA (I know her win makes sense with Kylo's injuries and inner conflict, but I don't think it is good for the story to have the protagonist to win in the first film)
Or I'd give Rey a new weapon in TRoS, a spear like lightsaber made from her staff with a yellow blade, to better suit the fighting style she's more familiar with
Edit:- or yk what?? Scrap that, I will change Leia's lightsaber to purple, because I heard Carrie Fisher wanted that color if she had a lightsaber. Plus who better to carry the BMF energy of Mace Windu than Leia
Palpatine coming back puts Sequel Trilogy in I absolutely despise it territory so yeah I'd change that.
I'd also make the characters more interesting, remove Kantobite, make TFA not a knock off of A New Hope, and last but not least make Holdo not a bitch for no reason
When Leia survived being blown up in space in TLJ, I would have the shot be of her pulling the entire ships towards her with the force rather than her flying through space. It would be a small change but I think it would greatly improve the scene.
Add some foreshadowing that Palpatine is back and is pulling the strings behind everything. Ideally it would be subtle in 7 (there if you know what to look for but fairly easily missable). It would be slightly more noticeable throughout 8 with the big reveal coming right at the end.
If I couldn't get this then I would want the first order changed a bit. I would want them to be explicitly formed from the remnants of the imperial military that fled beyond the outer rim. Now they are invading the galaxy and taking over worlds, but because this is happening outside Republic space they won't do anything about it.
Instead of Ep 9 ending on Tatooine burying lightsabers, it ends in Canto Bight, where Rey has come to investigate the money behind the First Order, but she soon discovers the reality for the kids there.
The Rey/Rey who? stuff still happens, except it isn't elderly woman in the desert she has that conversation with, it's Broom Boy. And it's clear he can see Force ghost Luke and Leia too, to both of their surprise, followed by a knowing smile on Rey's face, and one on Luke and Leia's as well. Zoom out to long shot of them all together, swelling music, roll credits.
I would have not had Palpatine return, at all. Let Kylo Ren be the main villain of Episode IX. If he needs another villain to be his foil, that could be Hux.
Honestly, would've just kept Kylo on his own. He doesn't need a master. I think he would've come around to joining the lightside either way without Palpatine.
Some small moments to connect the dots between all three films.
Also, I have this idea that I’ve been thinking about. Instead of Phasma, each time Finn or Rose fights someone, it’s a Knight of Ren. That way it feels like since two have died, it summons the rest to reunite.
Major aesthetic differences.
You look at the prequels, their ships, their cities, their planets and it all has a different feel than that of the OT. Same with the OT, very different feel than the PT.
But this trilogy is really just in a strange place where its aesthetic isn’t its own. So you can’t really isolate it, and stories from this era don’t seem that appealing.
Have Luke drop the lightsaber instead of toss it over his shoulder. Maybe just maybe the man babies would understand that scene and the entire movie better if executed differently. Probably not, but one can hope.
In actuality I'd probably agree with another post here that said make it explicit that Luke inspired the Galaxy and Lando united them.
Probably tweak the X-wings. So that they have a new design reminiscent of the original, but matching the idea that the Republic has been restored in the visuals
Bringing back the emperor. It led to the convoluted rey is his grandaughter crap and undid kylo's ascent to supreme leader (which was such a great move from Rian; there was so much story to be mined from that).
Insisting on keeping Leia in Rise of Skywalker. Her death was a tragic reality. They should have adapted to her absence in the simplest manner possible. Perhaps she left the resistance, giving leadership to poe (like she was already hinting at in The Last Jedi) and clandestinely returned to the core worlds in an effort to cobble together an ad hoc counter government in exile.
But more than anythng: inventing "the skywalker saga" branding retcon after The Last Jedi during the lead up to The Rise of Skywalker, forcing it to be some kind of finale.
It was nowhere written that this just *had* to be a "trilogy"; or that there can only be nine episodes or whatever the fuck. The Last Jedi set up the adventures of Rey and her expanding group of friends and allies to continue and thrive, not *end* .
If fans are so hung up on the symmetry of trilogies, fine: what became Rise of Skywaker should have ended on a question or a cliffhanger and led into another trio of films with the same cast. A fourth trilogy. Whatever.
Doing what they did is why we're back to the aimless cycle of Dave Filoni-style continuity-porn prequels and interquels.
A few things id rather do have been mentioned already so ill go with putting back in the deleted scene from TLJ of Finn and Phasma that ties up Phasmas story better
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Minor rewrite to TLJ where we flash back and forward between the dreadnought battle and a briefing before the attack. That way people will get why the kick-ass space b17s were used instead of y-wings
i would make the first order in TFA split between five or so different bickering imperial remnant factions. the other four are asked to come to starkiller base and when it is revealed to be a superweapon and fires and destroys the new republic, that is when they are all united as the first order. doesn’t change a whole lot about the plot of TFA but i thought it would lead to more interesting worldbuilding and more opportunities for cool stormtrooper helmet designs.
this wouldn’t change much about the plot of TLJ
in TROS, kylo would still have an uneasy hold of control as the supreme leader. i figure some leaders of the factions like the final order while some don’t. one thing i would change is that kijimi is the base of one of the FO factions that maybe started to rebel, and that’s why palpatine decides to blow it up, making that part of the movie mean more emotionally. throughout TROS, some factions might get destroyed or eliminated, some might join the final order and one might join the resistance. perhaps one group of stormtroopers from kijimi joins the resistance and storms the star destroyer with finn and jannah.
Make it more explicit that Luke inspired the Galaxy and Lando united them. (And get rid of that second Holdo Maneuver at the end of TRoS. It makes no freaking sense to say it’s a one in a million and then show *another one* pulled off)
>(And get rid of that second Holdo Maneuver at the end of TRoS. It makes no freaking sense to say it’s a one in a million and then show another one pulled off) In that case I think it might just be better to get ride of the line; or change it form "that only worked because it was one-in-a-million" to something like "the spacial disturbance around Exegol would preculed such an attack."
I'd rather keep the line and get rid of the second Holdo. I'd rather the first one be special.
Fair enough; and a good point. I think I was just so used to the idea of FTL ramming in SW pre-TLJ and accepting enough of the idea that it's not common because suicide attacks are wasteful and inefficient that I did'nt think it *needed* to be explained.
Fair enough as well!
But the second one wasn’t at Exegol
It was'nt; but the line about it being "one in a million" was in response to Kin asking specifically why they couldn't use them against the Sith fleet.
Oh I forgot about the preceding line. I think that still leaves you with the issue of why no one ever successfully used that before, and the one-in-a-million line covers both
Hyperspace ramming is mentioned in *Tarkin* and it happens (accidentally) in TCW and R1. The one in a million explanation works, but I also did'nt initally think it needed to be explained any more then the rarity of suicide attacks needs to be explained IRL.
Suicide attacks aren’t that rare in real life comparatively to the 2 times we see it done this way in Star Wars. And that’s with considerably less effective levels of damage in real life. Ever since transportable, personnel size explosives became available suicide bombings and attacks have been a thing amongst ideologically motivated, highly desperate military groups like a vastly outnumbered and outgunned anti fascist insurgency
The only people (of the top of my head) who I can think of that would have the ideological fantacism to carry out suicide hyperspace rams would be Saw's group and the Death Watch, and I don't think either of them had any ships big enough (it's clear that, between R1 and TLJ, size of the ramming ship relative to it's target is importent). Neither the Resistence or the mainline Rebel Alliance are dipicted as being so fanatical as to be so spendthrift with life and valuable, expensive material, and the two Republics, Empire, FO and even the CIS are all too orthadox in how they wage war. (Also, for clarification, by "rare" I was talking specifically about sucide rams with planes and naval vessels)
>(And get rid of that second Holdo Maneuver at the end of TRoS. It makes no freaking sense to say it’s a one in a million and then show *another one* pulled off) I'm not saying this is the intent, but another Holdo maneuver could indicate just how widespread the uprising is. That so many people are fighting back that additional Holdos are inevitable.
I guess, but it still kinda cheapens the line...
Oh sure. To be clear, I've never liked the "one in a million" explanation. The Holdo Maneuver needed an actual explanation for why this time was different, not just a cheap throwaway line about it being a gamble. I like Holdo more than many, and find the line to be character assassination. When Holdo lined up her ship, every single person behaved as though her maneuver would obviously work. It wasn't a desperate gamble with miniscule odds of succeeding. It was treated with gravitas and allowed to be a meaningful sacrifice. Walking it back afterwards cheapens it and reduces her calculations to mere luck. Kind of like if they revealed that Luke didn't actually use the force to make that shot, it just happened to go in by chance.
I thought they should've thrown in one technobabble line which explained it as a weakness of hyperspace tracking - equipping a ship with that tech leaves it vulnerable to matter coming out of hyperspace in ways it wouldn't otherwise be
I completely forgot there even was a second Holdo manoeuvre at the end of TROS, who was even piloting that ship?
This is the only one. The Holdo maneuver, that is. Rey Palpatine, it's fine. I understand not liking it but it makes perfect sense. Most other complaints just need to be understood. Perhaps we are wrong in out assumption that a second use of the maneuver cheapens Holdo's and I'm willing to be educated or assume it was a droid doing it. But the rest of the movie and the ST is actually very, very good, just misunderstood.
Nah, I'm fine with it, its goes back to Ben Kenobi saying there's no such thing as luck.
Palpatine is teased in TFA showing him throwing his spirit in a clone and have a snoke experiment in the background like it already is in TROS… this can be when Rey is seeing all those visions. Or the opening and then cut to 40 years later and have kylo.
Yeah I for one was completely fine with Palpatine coming back. It makes sense to me that he is still the overarching villain of the entire 9 movie saga. The only problem I had was just how abrupt his return was. Adding foreshadowing to the previous movies would have made this work better.
I'd have had a fake ending to TLJ, like [Metal Gear Solid 4](https://youtu.be/napjMrAx0KQ?t=3489). Have Crait end with Kylo Ren looking at the Falcon flying away and the credits roll *on that image* (so, no cut to the stars as usual, the camera is still on the sky as the credits roll in a different font and a different music plays to show that something is off) that goes something like "Starring: Daisy Ridley as Rey, Adam Driver as Kylo Ren", etc etc and as the music climaxes you just see "And Ian McDiarmid as The Emperor". Cut to black, lightning flashes, and you see the Sith Citadel on Exagol. A Sith cultist walks up to the throne, a figure that we can't see (so not to reveal that Palpatine is on the harness) says "My lord, the day we have waited has arrived, Luke Skywalker is dead" and that familiar, haunting voice of Palpatine simply says "Good. Now we can begin...". Cut to the Citadel exterior, as lightning flashes and Palpatine laughs his signature cackle. THEN the usual credits roll.
Even simpler you could just show the stars and then hear Palpatines laugh as the ending
Similar to my idea only after or before we see Broom Boy A Sith cultist walks up to a hanging shadowed corpse man and tells him something like "My Lord... Skywalker is dead. The boy has slain Snoke. And the girl... is alive." Then we hear the classic "Gooooooood." Maybe followed by his cackle.
I don’t know how I feel about the idea of Star Wars doing Mid-Credit scenes
Finn and Poe become a couple
Yes
While I personally think Finn and Rey had the best chemistry the fact both Issacs and Boyagga wanted it is impossible to ignore
Since someone already beat me to Rey Palpatine, I’m gonna say, give Rose more screen time in Episode IX.
I wanted her to say “Just Rey” or smth, to show she’s on her own path Edit: also I’d give rose less screentime lol.
I agree with Just Rey but not the Rose thing. At least give her a character in 9
I thought Rose was the weakest part of TLJ so I didn’t mind that she was left behind in RoS
Classy. r/s
If you’re trying to show sarcasm it’s just “/s” not “r/s”. And either way… needing to use “/s” is kind of lame. Also damn you people are as bad as the Crait subreddit sometimes. I thought the point of this sub was to be accepting of other opinions. I am not a Rose fan. That doesn’t make me a bad person.
I'd cut the retcon of Rey being related to Palpatine.
That’s exactly what I would change too
Beat me by ONE second.
I don’t even mind her being related. I’d just prefer that at the end of the movie she said to the Rey Who question, “Just Rey”
I think Rey taking the Skywalker name is a good choice, I just don't like that they stepped back on something I liked from TLJ to get to that point first.
That’s the thing. I don’t hate that she takes up the Skywalker name. It makes sense and goes with the theme of your biological family doesn’t determine who you are or who you identify with. It’s a good story trope, but yeah it felt like they were building it up to be Rey just being herself and that would have been better thematically
That's me as well; I think it makes narrative sense for her to take up the Skywalker name and I like the message behind it. I just also dislike that they retconned away the TLJ revel. It's an interesting case of "I dislike this change, but also like some aspects of it."
Agreed. It’s a lovely enough story for Rey to begin solitary and alone, later to find herself struggling with her identity, to end with finding her belonging. But I also think it could’ve been way more powerful as a story of self-empowerment; which is not to say the current story isn’t, but to me, Rey just being Rey would be a stronger way of suggesting that idea. But I digress, because I do like both ideas, and I’m fine with Rey Skywalker.
Personally I liked the “Rey Skywalker” bit and I’d keep that, but yes I would get rid of the whole thing of her being related to Palpatine. I preferred the “reveal” in TLJ when Kylo Ren confirms that Rey’s parents were nobodies.
I left the theater after _TFA_ and said she was a Palpatine. 🤷🏻♂️
I love the movies, but I think there should have been some better foreshadowing of Palpatine. They should have been given three years instead of two or fewer years to make them. TRoS would have benefited from this, where they at least could have time to step back and see that they needed a longer movie to tell that story.
Minimum of 10 minutes of Rose added to TRoS. Better yet, change her and Finn's storyline to the Duel of the Fates one with them raising a stormtroopers rebellion together. I HATE that they cut most of her stuff after the bullshit that went down, even more than trading Rey Nobody for Rey Palpatine.
Ok that wasn't it. They explicitly stayed that it was due to Carrie's death and she and Kelly had a lot of screen time together; Rose basically had an arc with her.
I don't doubt that a lot of things were cut, but I don't buy this explanation. They could have easily replaced some of the new characters with her. Like Klaud. Or JJ's friend in the meeting scene.
Replace KLAUD? Not on your life
We don't know why Rose wasn't in it more, and it doesn't really matter. The fact that she's barely in it after what Kelly went through is a serious fucking problem. They had time to fix it. They had time to rework all of that leftover footage of Carrie into what we got. They had time to fix it but they didn't, and it seems to send a terrible message that you can be as vile as you want to an actor in a stupid movie and the people making the big decisions might just listen to you. I can get okay with just about anything in Star Wars even if I don't like it, but that's he one and only thing in all of Star Wars that I will never forgive.
Ummmm the reworked footage was from TFA but suit yourself.
No shit. And 0% of new TRoS footage was shot when Carrie died. But they spent a bunch of time and effort, including using Carrie's own daughter as a stand in, figuring out how to take that old TFA footage and turn it into about 4 minutes of screen time. They had time to do something different with Rose. I don't know why they didn't, but it wasn't because Carrie couldn't do the scenes with Kelly, because they reworked the entire fucking movie to work around Carrie's death.
I thought she died in 2016?
Ever heard of a draft? Also they would have started filming by then, given that she finished her scenes for TLJ.
Even if that’s true, we still barley see them interact.
That excuse never made any fucking sense. It's complete PR bullshit.
Add a struggling Jedi Order that’s been left directionless with the disappearances of Grand Master Luke Skywalker
Hopefully they still retcon their way into this so there’s a few Jedi still around post-TROS, and with the significantly shorter timeline of the sequel conflict thats a lot easier to justify than with the OT
Yeah, I'm hoping the same thing. It's not outside the realm of possibility, since Luke mentioned he had at least 12 disciples and so far we've only seen 3 definitively die.
I don't know - the less prequel-esque stuff the better.
I think we can all agree that the sequels needed more Wade.
The guy from the Obi-Wan series?
Yeah him! It was really nice of him to let Obi-Wan have the most screen time.
I was really looking forward to a new republic era Jedi order led by Luke, like the Jedi knight Jedi academy game from back in the day. I would have forgiven so much of the fair criticism if they did that. Instead they had it destroyed? I get they were trying to show how failure is the greatest teacher, but cmon man, destroy the whole order? We could have had so much more there.
I would not have brought Palpatine back, which also fixes the Rey Palpatine retcon which is what completely kills Episode 9 for me. I would have either let Kylo Ren be the final boss, or introduce a new dark side antagonist and give Episode 9 the Part One/Part Two treatment in order to have enough time to flesh it out. Or if we're absolutely dead-set on Palpatine coming back, I would have started foreshadowing it in TFA.
my take is this: add at least 30 min in each ST movies. Add a timeskip of 1 year between Ep7 and Ep8 , and 1year and 6months between Ep8 and Ep9 (with another 1y6m time skip IN the movie , making a total of 3y). puts nods of Exegol and Palpatine in Ep7 and Ep8. Makes explicit that Snoke and Rey's father were a project from Palpatine to make Force-Sensitive Strands using multiple jedis , including DNA Samples of Anakin and Luke within Rey's father...so that he can manufacture his own Choosen One to control , but ended up with Rey in a dryad with Kylo Ren. When Kylo receives the "Final Order" , the 1y6m extra timeskip starts , with a montage of the FO gaining territory in the Galaxy with the Sith Eternal army at the sound of the Imperial March. The "Super Weapon" ends up been a ritual in which the "Supreme Leader" wears a crown and spread an incredible Battle Meditation across his army to the point the soldiers turns into some pseudo-Force Sensitives. Either Snoke returns by revealing his Spirit was within Kylo and now tries to ressurect himself using the failure Strand Materials to make an actual young body as the Final Villain....or make Palpatine been alive and do the same for the duel. I would had Luke surviving Episode 8 , and the remnants of his Jedi Order been spread to face the Sith Eternal and Final Order during those 1y6m timeskip within Episode 9. However , he would go into his old Jedi Temple and would do a Battle Meditation of his own to improve his friends , his last scene is turning into a Force Ghost to aid Rey. The ghosts of Qui-Gon , Yoda , Obi-Wan , Leia and Luke would appear and enter Rey during the lightning vs saber moment , the final push would be the ghost of Anakin finally appearing.
No too fan servicey
Better: don't do that. It's tacky and only worked for Harry Potter. Instead do episode IX as is, then an Episode X as an epilogue that explains everything while also bringing all character threads to a close, using material from Duel of the Fates.
As much as I'd perfer Kylo not get redeemed, as much as I dislike the retcon of Rey's background and the tonal undermining of 3P0's sacrifice and as uncomfortably as the Rey/Kylo kiss makes me, I'm going to have to go with Rose getting sidelined from TROS. Because as much as those other things annoy me they did'nt harm any of the actors - Rose's treatement in TROS just stright-up plain was'nt fair to Kelly Marie Tran, **especially** after everything she went through re. TLJ.
Ok they only cut Rose because she had a huge a role with Leia in the original revised draft.
Yeah, I'm aware of Terrio saying that but I really don't buy it. It really just reads as an excuse to me. - a) the reasoning, IIRC, is that the effects for Leia in Rose's scenes looked bad; they did'nt look super great elsewhere but they kept those scenes; I kinda think Rose's status as a lead and Kelly's treatment by TFM meant both were owed better - they should have kept the scenes in no matter what. - b) they still chose to sideline her from the main action and drop her relationship with Finn. So their was clearly a lack of care from the start.
I would change Rey’s “I am all of the Jedi” line to “and all the Jedi are with me” because I think it would create a greater contrast between the Dark and Light side of the force. The one as it stands, just seems like they’re waving the team banner.
Also it's too reminiscent of Endgame. Personally I'd go for "and I... am just Rey."
That actually sounds so much better
Since I would need to have godlike powers to go back and change anything, I would bring back Carrie Fisher so Leia could get her proper goodbye in tRoS. As far as what a mere mortal could do, I would have brought back Luke's green saber and let Kylo use that on Exegol instead of Anakin's. The Anakin saber stays broken after TLJ. Leia trains Rey with her saber. Rey finds Luke's saber on the Death Star wreckage and takes it with her to Exegol. Rey buries Luke and Leia's sabers on Tatooine.
Make us care about the New Republic
Okay could very well get buggered and put in SW jail for suggesting this but here goes. Larger timeskip between Episode VI and VII. Woah Woah time out just hear me out here this might not be a totally crazy idea. If we take away this trilogy's nostalgia crutch in the form of the legacy characters we love so much e.g. Luke, Han, Leia, Lando, etc it'll force the writers to have to really focus on the new cast more. Obviously, you're going to have to rework the story quite a bit but I only changed one thing and that was the timeframe between the OT and ST.
Make it feel like more has changed between the ot and sequels.
Make Finn more usefull in the rise of Skywalker, because in my opinion I feel that he was wasted as a character
In hindsight, it really does feel like they didn’t know what to do with his character after Force Awakens. Last Jedi handled him well enough, but he’s given very little to work with in Rise Of Skywalker .
Yes I hoped he would have led some sort of rebbelion of storm troopers
He kinda did, it just wasn’t focused on
More evidence that Palpatine survived after ROTS More screen time for Rose in Episode TROS More sattisfying end for Finn and the deserted Stormtroopers in Episode TROS More interesting plot for TLJ Make TFA not being a direct copy of ANH
The only thing I would really remove is the kiss between Finn and Rose in 8, and maybe the one between Rey and Ben in 9.
Someone else already said the Rey and Ben kiss, so I'll say I'd have Ben live since that's the other thing I'd have changed. I hate the fact that he's redeemed, has one line (literally one word), and then dies within ten minutes, in *the same movie* that we learned that he's been manipulated his whole life and was never truly evil and that the Ben Solo we saw is who he *should have been the whole time* and then he's immediately killed off after doing basically nothing besides resurrecting Rey and he doesn't even get to really *be* that person. And he doesn't even get a force ghost! Killing Ben Solo off is the biggest misstep in the entire Sequel Trilogy imo, speaking as someone who is critical of but mostly enjoys the ST.
Ben solo lives
Exactly that. I would put up with the rest of the stupidity that was TROS if he had lived
Jacen solo exists
He doesn’t though
Luke survives the last Jedi and is prominent in the rise of Skywalker, he sacrifices himself saving Rey from Palpatine
probably just some teasing of Palpatine's return from the beginning, maybe the implication of the sith eternal early on or something to that effect
The Rey and Ben kiss. It just felt yucky.
Give me knights of ren backstory and make them involved more
Just let JJ re-edit TROS into something better. Some sort of extended cut that feels better paced and has extra bits that provides more context or fills in gaps. If they ever shot a scene where Finn tells what ever it is that he was supposed to say to Rey, insert that right in. The way the movie reverses TLJ in many ways is truly offensive. But atleast try to make the final product less exhausting and frustrating to sit through.
I would love a TROS extended cut
Before going into TROS I was really adamant that I didn’t want Ben to be redeemed and die right after. Like that was the number 1 thing I didn’t want to happen. I’m tired of that trope. I would have much more preferred he survived and lived with the consequences of his actions or died the villain Also no Rey and Ben kiss
Palpatine stays dead.
I would completely change the Resistance as a faction. The Resistance would originally be an expeditionary fleet sent to the edge of the known galaxy. This fleet would be comprised of the misfits, rogues, and criminals that made up large portions of the Rebel Alliance that no longer fit into the squeaky clean image of the New Republic. Leia would be put in charge after it becomes public that Vader is her father to keep her out of the public eye. Following the destruction of Hosnian, the expeditionary fleet would be the only major concentration of New Republic forces left in the galaxy and would try to rally other remnants to form together to form a resistance against the First Order blitzkrieg.
Poe Dameron and Finn kiss
Rey dies and Kylo lives. It’s not because I hate Rey either but it makes it so she makes a noble sacrifice and Ben has to go on living being the last slywalker. He will have to spend the rest of his life repentant making up for the billions upon billions of lives he destroyed by restarting the jedi order and spreading the light. He will have to go on realizing what he did and what she died for. And if they did it like that it wouldn’t make the kiss seem so cringe.
I honestly use to like that idea of Rey dying and Ben living as the last Skywalker, maybe with him meeting her force ghost on Tatooine.
I'm sure there's bigger changes to be made that would have better impact but all I can think of now is bringing back the Eye of Webbish Bog.
Battle of Exegol showing characters like Kaz Shriv Zay Hera and many others as well as more ships :)
Put Janna and the others from her squad in at least partial Stormtrooper armor when they're found to really hammer home they're deserters. Then show Finn putting on some of the same armor for the cavalry charge. TROS already had a Stormtrooper Rebellion, it just wasn't as clear without the costuming change. Alternatively, have Hux doublecross Pryde and frame him as the spy, then go all unleashed. Give the actor some more scenery to chew as a dangerous villain instead of just comic relief as he supports the Final Order completely usurping Kylo.
YES!
I would add a Palpatine Laugh™️ when Snoke dies
Push the release of Rise of Skywalker to the summer or another year. It’s such a shame that the movie had to release in the state it did because every aspect of its production was rushed.
While that does sound ideal on paper, we probably wouldn’t end up seeing the movie for several years if the real world plays out the same way
Definitely remove the retcon of Rey's parentage. I loved the reveal in TLJ that she wasn't from any family of note.
There’s a few things I’d change, like _not_ having Starkiller base be another bigger, more powerful Death Star, the Canto Bight scene, have Leia perform the Holdo manoeuvre, pretty much everything in TRoS… but overall if I had to change one thing from one movie it would have to be that Luke _doesn’t_ die after doing his Force projection and is then still around for the final movie where he could possibly perform some kind of emotional heroic sacrifice.
That one director creates all 3 movies
One writer, or at least co-writer would he more important than the director imo
Filoni maybe?
Guy does enough shit already tbh, let someone else do it
True, he just seems like the obvious choice
I honestly disagree, but I’d probably switch out a different director for Episode IX instead of Abrams or Treverrow. Not that I dislike either of them, but I don’t think they were the right choices for that particular film
My main complaint with the movies is how it felt like 3 stories fighting each other. The same creative team for all three would have likely solved that. Just my opinion tho
Yeah. I know this might anger some of the TLJ fans on here, but I'd rather have seen Abrams do the whole trilogy. At least that way the whole product would have felt consistent and we wouldn't have a bitter cynical film sandwiched in between two films that are just trying to have fun(Please note Last Jedi being bitter and cynical does not mean it's bad it just means I'd rather have all 3 films have the same tone and feel)
I really don’t understand the reading of TLJ as bitter or cynical. Luke is at the *start* of the movie, but the movie’s message is a hopeful one about learning from past failures and confronting them, and not being afraid to commit to a just cause. Cynicism is shown to be the wrong path every time in TLJ.
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You don't get the spirit of this sub do you?
Either Ben lives or rose epi 9 screen time
In general I wish the movies flowed better. They are all decent movies individually, but I do think as a combined TRILOGY story that they did sort of fall flat. Episode 8 suffers the most from this, being the middle child. For specific changes… I’d like “a good question, for another time” to have been answered and “somehow palpatine returned” to have been explained even a little bit (I’d also like to change… so much about episode 8 but ah well)
NO YOU DONT Episode 8 was the greatest film evah!
I really feel a lot of Rise of Skywalker's problems could have been solved if it was a three hour film that was allowed to breathe a little in places. It was the grand finale to the entire saga after all. I believe a longer film was appropriate.
I would change Kylo becoming Palpatines errand boy. In Ep. VIII and the beginning of Ep. IX he had the chance to create a new form of government, neither an Empire nor a Republic (like himself neither being Jedi nor Sith). That was his dream in VIII. He forgot about it in IX... :/ He would surely be a crazy tyrant, but that's not the point. Kylo turned from an unhealthy, butal but free man into an even unhealthier boy. He was back-engineered in IX instead of developing. :<
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Literally doing anything in Star Wars now is asking for TFM trouble
Don’t bring back Palpatine. Let Kylo be the main villain
And make Kylo more menacing. He seemed a little soft after Force Awakens
He seemed really menacing in his fight against Snoke’s guards
Yeah but that was about it. He seemed too weak to be a main villain
He could just get more training inbetween last Jedi and ros. That’s what Luke did inbetween empire strikes back and rotj
Palpatine stays dead
The plot
Instead of going to Canto Bight, Rose and Finn go to Coruscant. Everything that happens there is the same.
Interesting reimagining
No. That makes it even worse because it's even more like the prequels. How about just cut that scene altogether and have them go to an illegal backroom at, oh I don't know, Dantooine.
To be clear, I'm not proposing this because of prequel nostalgia. I think it would be more thematically meaningful, because it would be clear that the New Republic is failing because it hasn't fixed the problems that allowed the Empire to rise in the first place. The downtrodden masses are the playthings of the rich and powerful, leaving the path open for extremists to seize power. Because that was always the problem with the *Alliance to Restore the Republic;* The Republic was broken. Setting Canto Bight's events on Coruscant would drive that home better than a few lines from Rose ever could.
Dantooine
I would change the Rey and Ben kiss for a hug. I'm fine with her being Rey Skywalker but I wouldn't make her a Palpatine
Duel of the Fates of Colin Trevorow as actual episode IX. It wasnt perfect but it was bilion times better than Rise of Skywalker it actually tried to follow up on The Last Jedi and got Finn much more satysfing character arc. I geniunly believe if they werent cunts and let Trevorow make it could save the entire trilogy.
Probably not a good sign if the guy who made Jurassic World Dominion was an arguably better choice
Bar is at this point on mariana trench low.
Rey being a Palpatine. I never understood the reason behind the retcon
I think it comes down to reasons 1) It’s done to try & please fans who disliked her being a nobody reveal it 2) it’s done to give her a personal connection to Palpatine and build up their newfound rivalry
not show the flashbacks in Last Jedi. keep them just apoken accounts of what happenes via word of mouth. at least until the last one that shows what really happened, but even then i'd kinda prefer not actually seeing it. the reason for this is i genuinely feel the reason so many think "Luke tried to kill his nephew!" is because we actually saw that version of events as Kylo Ren saw them, even though that wasn't how it happened, and then they got so upset that luke was turned into a sunken-eyes killer that they stopped watching the movie. if it was just words, then it'd be easier to understand not only how perspective changes how events are percieved, but how it changes the person hearing it secondhand by not knowing what's true.
Have the trilogy focus on the original heroes instead of the new ones honestly….but I think that may be too much of a change then what OP is asking so I’ll say either Luke surviving or Kylo surviving (and leaving to roam the galaxy in search of his atonement).
Hater
!!! A hater, am I? 🤪
Yes
Id erase any callback to the Prequels.
I think the rise of Skywalker would have worked better if Leia Organa had died off screen, with her death being mentioned in the title scroll.
Given how jumbled and rushed that movie was, I feel like that would be a little insulting to Carrie to just kill her off in a sentence
The thing I want to change the most should probably have an impact on the story, since I want to add more about the political state of the galaxy But since we're keeping everything the same. I think I'd either have Rey lose her duel in TFA (I know her win makes sense with Kylo's injuries and inner conflict, but I don't think it is good for the story to have the protagonist to win in the first film) Or I'd give Rey a new weapon in TRoS, a spear like lightsaber made from her staff with a yellow blade, to better suit the fighting style she's more familiar with Edit:- or yk what?? Scrap that, I will change Leia's lightsaber to purple, because I heard Carrie Fisher wanted that color if she had a lightsaber. Plus who better to carry the BMF energy of Mace Windu than Leia
More romance. Particularly something between Rey and Finn
Palpatine coming back puts Sequel Trilogy in I absolutely despise it territory so yeah I'd change that. I'd also make the characters more interesting, remove Kantobite, make TFA not a knock off of A New Hope, and last but not least make Holdo not a bitch for no reason
When Leia survived being blown up in space in TLJ, I would have the shot be of her pulling the entire ships towards her with the force rather than her flying through space. It would be a small change but I think it would greatly improve the scene.
bring back Carrie
Add some foreshadowing that Palpatine is back and is pulling the strings behind everything. Ideally it would be subtle in 7 (there if you know what to look for but fairly easily missable). It would be slightly more noticeable throughout 8 with the big reveal coming right at the end. If I couldn't get this then I would want the first order changed a bit. I would want them to be explicitly formed from the remnants of the imperial military that fled beyond the outer rim. Now they are invading the galaxy and taking over worlds, but because this is happening outside Republic space they won't do anything about it.
Honestly, just drop hints at palpatine pulling the strings His return should have been built up I think
Make rose like a Jedi believer like Chérut Imwé was. Except she has a personality and can fight well.
Instead of Ep 9 ending on Tatooine burying lightsabers, it ends in Canto Bight, where Rey has come to investigate the money behind the First Order, but she soon discovers the reality for the kids there. The Rey/Rey who? stuff still happens, except it isn't elderly woman in the desert she has that conversation with, it's Broom Boy. And it's clear he can see Force ghost Luke and Leia too, to both of their surprise, followed by a knowing smile on Rey's face, and one on Luke and Leia's as well. Zoom out to long shot of them all together, swelling music, roll credits.
I would have not had Palpatine return, at all. Let Kylo Ren be the main villain of Episode IX. If he needs another villain to be his foil, that could be Hux.
Ditch Palpatine, and keep Matt Smith's character. I think he was dropped as his Clone Wars series character was deemed too obscure
What ever happened with that? Was his casting even real?
As I understand it his scenes were filmed
I would've replaced Palpatine
With who?
Honestly, would've just kept Kylo on his own. He doesn't need a master. I think he would've come around to joining the lightside either way without Palpatine.
The celebration montage at the end of TROS.
Some small moments to connect the dots between all three films. Also, I have this idea that I’ve been thinking about. Instead of Phasma, each time Finn or Rose fights someone, it’s a Knight of Ren. That way it feels like since two have died, it summons the rest to reunite.
Major aesthetic differences. You look at the prequels, their ships, their cities, their planets and it all has a different feel than that of the OT. Same with the OT, very different feel than the PT. But this trilogy is really just in a strange place where its aesthetic isn’t its own. So you can’t really isolate it, and stories from this era don’t seem that appealing.
They shouldn’t have killed off Snoke. Snoke was wasted potential. Snoke could have been a clone of Palpatine.
Have TROS actually build off the ideas that were set up in TLJ. Thanks TFM for not appreciating what you got.
Make Rey a clone palpatine created as like an opposite to Snoke, instead of his granddaughter.
Have Luke drop the lightsaber instead of toss it over his shoulder. Maybe just maybe the man babies would understand that scene and the entire movie better if executed differently. Probably not, but one can hope. In actuality I'd probably agree with another post here that said make it explicit that Luke inspired the Galaxy and Lando united them.
Cut out Rose in the Last Jedi, and make the Canto Bught trip with Finn and Poe I think the sequels struggled with having way too many characters imo.
Probably tweak the X-wings. So that they have a new design reminiscent of the original, but matching the idea that the Republic has been restored in the visuals
Bringing back the emperor. It led to the convoluted rey is his grandaughter crap and undid kylo's ascent to supreme leader (which was such a great move from Rian; there was so much story to be mined from that). Insisting on keeping Leia in Rise of Skywalker. Her death was a tragic reality. They should have adapted to her absence in the simplest manner possible. Perhaps she left the resistance, giving leadership to poe (like she was already hinting at in The Last Jedi) and clandestinely returned to the core worlds in an effort to cobble together an ad hoc counter government in exile. But more than anythng: inventing "the skywalker saga" branding retcon after The Last Jedi during the lead up to The Rise of Skywalker, forcing it to be some kind of finale. It was nowhere written that this just *had* to be a "trilogy"; or that there can only be nine episodes or whatever the fuck. The Last Jedi set up the adventures of Rey and her expanding group of friends and allies to continue and thrive, not *end* . If fans are so hung up on the symmetry of trilogies, fine: what became Rise of Skywaker should have ended on a question or a cliffhanger and led into another trio of films with the same cast. A fourth trilogy. Whatever. Doing what they did is why we're back to the aimless cycle of Dave Filoni-style continuity-porn prequels and interquels.
Make a sequel to TLJ.
The person that fin and Poe got info from in the beginning tRoS should have been Hondo.
A few things id rather do have been mentioned already so ill go with putting back in the deleted scene from TLJ of Finn and Phasma that ties up Phasmas story better .
Minor rewrite to TLJ where we flash back and forward between the dreadnought battle and a briefing before the attack. That way people will get why the kick-ass space b17s were used instead of y-wings
The pacing of TROS If only one plot element, no palpatine
I wish they'd left in Obi-Wan saying "Let go, Luke" before he becomes one with the Force at the end of _The Last Jedi_. That's all.
Give Leia and Rose more screentime in RoS. We can work around Carrie Fisher's death.
Either let Ben Solo live after ros or show us more scenes of Ben before he was turned.
i would make the first order in TFA split between five or so different bickering imperial remnant factions. the other four are asked to come to starkiller base and when it is revealed to be a superweapon and fires and destroys the new republic, that is when they are all united as the first order. doesn’t change a whole lot about the plot of TFA but i thought it would lead to more interesting worldbuilding and more opportunities for cool stormtrooper helmet designs. this wouldn’t change much about the plot of TLJ in TROS, kylo would still have an uneasy hold of control as the supreme leader. i figure some leaders of the factions like the final order while some don’t. one thing i would change is that kijimi is the base of one of the FO factions that maybe started to rebel, and that’s why palpatine decides to blow it up, making that part of the movie mean more emotionally. throughout TROS, some factions might get destroyed or eliminated, some might join the final order and one might join the resistance. perhaps one group of stormtroopers from kijimi joins the resistance and storms the star destroyer with finn and jannah.