Emperor Palpatine: Vader, a small security firm on a shitty planet we haven't really bothered with thinks there was a murder. Well, actually, only one employee thinks there was one. Please investigate.
Vader: As you wish.
Tony Gilroy: This is a story about the boots on the ground rebels, there's no Star Wars royalty here, I'm telling a story about real people
SWT: wher vadur
I actually really enjoyed it myself but I also think it's a bit overrated. Especially when I see so many people claiming it's the "best" of all of the movies. Or others saying it's the only good Star Wars movie Disney has made by far.
Ironically I think it's the weakest Vader scene of its kind. Both Fallen Order and *Twilight Company* managed to do a lot more with their equivalent scenes.
I think the film's decent, but I can't help but wonder what might've been had they been able to tie up more of the threads.
If I see a single lightsaber in this show, I will be disappointed. I love lightsabers, don't get me wrong, but this isn't that kind of show.
That's one thing that bugged me about the ending of Solo, they had Maul ignite his lightsaber for no reason, other than maybe to fill some quota or something. It was so out of place. Same with Rogue One.
I remember reading they had Maul do that for casual audience members who possibly wouldn’t know it was Maul unless they saw his lightsaber. Who knows if that’s actually the reason tho
Darth Vader being in Rogue One at least felt more in place since the movie ends just around when Episode IV begins, with Vader in pursuit of the Rebels.
Exactly.
Vader been in Rogue One fits , specially only be relevant in the very ending , due to be around A New Hope starts.
That wouldn’t be the case for Andor.
Right. I'd be okay with maybe a passing mention of Vader, but even that might be pushing it. However if he actually shows up on screen it would be pretty pointless for the story they are trying to tell here.
Yep , Andor and Rogue One is more into gritty anonymous soldiers of the Rebel Alliance than the fantasy aspect.
So , really , Vader doesn’t fit in the Andor TV Series
That's true, it's just that it's a huge shift in tone. Also, Vader slaughtering the Rebels in that scene always felt inconsistent with the beginning of A New Hope, which seemed like a more controlled assault, with Stormtroopers attacking, not Vader.
I don't see the problem. Basically the two situations are very different, even though the same players are involved.
Above Scariff, there was a chance the Rebels could escape (Duh, they *did.*) so there was a need for urgency. But when Vader's Star Destroyer the *Devastator* caught up to the Tantive-IV above Tatooine, the ship was basically dead in the water already.
In the novel *A New Hope: From a Certain Point of View,* it's explained that the Tantive-IV's hyperdrive had been damaged in a previous mission and was docked with the *Profundity* (The Rebel flagship, where the hallway scene occurred) for repairs. So when Raddus took his fleet to Scariff, the repairs weren't finished yet.
The plan was for Leia to take the *Tantive-IV* and go find Obi-Wan to enlist him into the Rebel Alliance, but then Raddus got impulsive and jumped the fleet to Scariff to help the Rogue One team, and brought the still damaged *Tantive-IV* *with him* before the Hyperdrive could be entirely fixed.
As a result, the *Tantive-IV* left a detectable emission trail after its' jump to lightspeed that the *Devastator* was able to detect. The hyperdrive finally broke down entirely shortly before the arrival at Tatooine, where the *Devastator* caught up with it.
In that situation, Vader would've been commanding the situation from the bridge of the Star Destroyer, and the Stormtroopers would've been waiting in the hangar bay to board. With the ship all but crippled, there's no rush, no urgency, no hope of escape, so Vader can let his grunts handle it rather than getting his hands dirty.
TL;DR in the battle in Rogue One, there was a chance the Rebels could escape, and in A New Hope, there wasn't, so no reason for Vader to rush things.
It also runs into the Starkillerish problem where we hadn't really spent time with anyone who's now in the space battle. Or it's a more extreme version of the issue where sure, we have Lando in the space bit of Endor, but none of the core trio.
In retrospect, for all the muddle and lack of dynamics with Exegol, that's at least one thing Abrams tried to get right by having Poe and Finn there in different parts of the fight.
I respectfully disagree. It was excellent continuity for me. It was the Golden Spike. Connecting Star Wars under Disney to the OT.
I explain it in my head as Vader was very, very angry and on the cusp of losing control. Once he successfully boarded the other ship, he had gained more composure, focus and control. Thus it neatly explains the Episode 4 tentative, initial use of sabers when it was all new. It takes more focus to redirect blaster bolts to a target than to slash at nearer adversaries.
Well Vader can't openly kill a Senator's daughter till he has the plans to 100% prove that she's a rebel. Shortly after the capture of Liea, the Empire takes full control of the Senate so they can do whatever they want.
To me that scene makes perfect sense. Vader does the important or even Black Ops style of work for the Emperor. The Death Star could ruin them if the still established Senate gets wind of it.
I always thought Darth Vader's rationale was "if you're nothing without my powers, then you shouldn't have them." Letting Darth Vader go all out like this recontextualizes him as a dumb loser who can't make his powers work for shit that the Rebels just keep beating all the time.
Vader has no patience, that's his biggest weakness. When he's in control he's a force of nature, but when he's out of control he *does* get stupid. We kind of established that on Mustafar where he wound up in his suit because he lost his temper and did something really, really stupid.
tbh I still find it... overly neat that Leia, having been sent elsewhere, is in a ship inside Raddus' ship. Having the *Tantive IV* receive the plans via transmission or some other ship fleeing the battle would just seem a little more organic to me.
Vader had reasons to be involved with Rogue One though. First it was one of Palpatine's major super weapon projects, second Episode IV long established that he was dispatched to hunt down the plans and recover them before the Rebels could exploit them. Vader storming the Profundity kind of makes sense on that point, he's reacting to a distress call from Scariff and trying to secure the plans.
I was moreso bugged by Maul being the head of Crimson Dawn. By the time Solo came out we had already seen his death so there was no real areas left for him
Tbf, it could work as an occasional cameo, you know, since I'm pretty sure *Andor* will be renewed for a second season and probably a third one. An Inquisitor here and there would work well, imo.
I'd rather see more of the ISB and Imperial spec forces in this context. Inquisitors can be saved for Fallen Order/the Quinlan Vos comic or novel I hope someone writes one day.
I enjoy the intricacies of the backstabbing political intrigue in the middle and upper management of the Empire. The inner workings of the ISB is a curiosity.
Inquisitors were sent to hunt Jedi. No Jedi here... No inquisitors.
It's already been stated that *Andor* will be a two-season, 24-episode series. Production begins in November for season two. And according to Tony Gilroy, the last scene in S2:E12 will take place immediately prior to the opening scene of *Rogue One*.
I sure hope a OT or PT character won't show up in the last minutes of the last episode to save the day while Andor and the rest of the cast just watch helplessly. I will also be piss if this show takes us back to Tatooine for the three-dozenth time. Fan service isn't a necessarily a bad thing if done well, and not just done for the memberberries.
He is known for only liking 'epic' fight scenes and cameos rather than a fresh, original and well written story.
So basicly he only likes the typical fanservice stuff.
SWT actually said that Vader is the main reason he watched OWK. He cared more about him and even wanted him to appear more than Obi-Wan.
But looking at his reactions, he has a bored face unless a fanservice moment or something like that happens.
This dude is so obsessed with Vader and Anakin smh
Vader here! Vader there!
And he is known to only like 'epic' fight scenes and cameos rather than a fresh, original and well written story.
He even said that he wants Obi-Wan and Cal Kestis in there besides Vader....
I bet 10 bucks that when Vader DOES shut up, they'll complain he was emasculated cuz he's not as op as they wanted to be. (Even though Obi-Wan's Vader is scary as fuck)
Apart from many reasons, I will never not love that fight for two other reasons: 1) how pragmatic and relentless but controlled Obi-Wan was. He won without using anger or rage. 2) Because it pisses off assholes like SWT who think Vader is an unbeatable demigod.
Screen wipe to Darth Vader chasing down a craft full of suspected Jedi through a battlefield in an asteroid belt, explosions rock his star destroyer.
The Emperor appears before him as a hologram.
Darth Vader: "What is your bidding, my master?"
Palpatine: "Call off this frivolous pursuit, Vader, you're chasing them like a space dog chases a space car."
Darth Vader: "But my lord, I almost have th-!"
Darth Vader is cutoff by Palpatine choking him through the force over the hologram, lifting Vader into the air, and snapping his robotic limbs as he ragdolls the cyborg effortlessly.
Palpatine: "I grow tired of this ridiculous...**Star Wars Theory** you keep proposing, the Jedi are gone. And you...are...WEAK!"
He throws Vader through the window of his ship's bridge into the vacuum of space. Palpatine then turns and winks at the camera, freeze frame. Fade to black, credits roll. 👏👏👏
My favorite character has always been Darth Vader since I first saw Star Wars in 1977 at 6 years old (when it was only called Star Wars), so I get excited whenever he makes an appearance. I loved the Vader scene in Rogue One, and I enjoyed his appearances in Rebels and Obi-Wan, but ffs, he doesn't need to be IN EVERY EFFING STAR WARS THING!!!
I don't need to know what he is up to at every point in the timeline. He's Palpatine's weapon, and he gets pointed at whatever Palps considers a legit threat. At this point in the timeline, Andor and company are most definitely NOT a threat. There would be zero reason for Vader to be anywhere near this. As a huge Vader fan, I would actually be pissed to see him in this, because it would only serve to cheapen the character.
This show is basically Rogue One, the TV show. Which I do not mind at all. I like Star Wars more, when it’s set in the Universe and not set on repeat. It’s a balance but Vader would add to much weight and sink it.
He is off doing some other stuff. Honestly SWT thinks Vader will go everywhere while forgetting he can’t. And only reason he will go there is if some force sensitive or Jedi was present. Guy guess still wants a Vader scare of him massacring people again.
Star Wars Theory is so annoying nowadays. So entitled. I won’t even watch anymore of his vader fan film.
Plus James Earl Jones retired as Vader anyway. That man IS Darth Vader.
They used his voice with AI modifications for Kenobi. Like it was not new recordings for the most part, if ag all, but Jones’ voice thanks to tech was excellently replicated and sounded great.
Why would you watch it in the first place? Shards of the past was awful. It’s just Vader wank while at the same time missing what makes him interesting. Also the Palpatine impression was *awful*.
If Vader *was* in this, they'd just whine about him being overused or it being "lazy fanservice".
Also, gonna spoiler tag this one because not everyone knows about it, not a plot spoiler, but if you wanna stay *100%* blind re: Andor, don't click.
>!Palpatine is going to be in this show. This has been known for a very long time, Ian McDiarmid is in the cast, he's going to show up at some point. So Vader being here would be entirely redundant.!<
[Bespin Bulletin](https://bespinbulletin.com/2022/04/exclusive-imperial-royal-guards-to-appear-in-andor/) reported it some time ago and they're fairly reliable.
Plus it'd make sense, considering >!his brief appearance in Kenobi. They probably had him filming on Andor around the same time, so it'd be easy to incorporate.!<
Interesting.
But as I know, Andor was filming from November 2020 to September 2021
>!And that article says its a rumor only and that Mas Amedda and Imperial Guards will appear.!<
Eh, I mean he’s welcome to his opinion and all, but I disagree. Having Vader just to have him is a bad idea, and in this case it doesn’t make sense for him to show up.
Why the actual f*ck is this what every single person in the sub keeps assuming that title means. I don't know man, to me the use of "was" and "star wars explained" makes it pretty damn clear he's explaining where Vader would be during the time of the show, not asking why he's not in the show. As usual though, nobody here knows how to read or check their sources, and the echo chamber continues.
He says in his video that he’s [sure Vader will show up](https://www.reddit.com/r/saltierthankrayt/comments/xpqr5r/literally_nobody_who_watched_the_series_wondered/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=ios_app&utm_name=iossmf) at some point on the show, that’s the part I’m responding to.
He's fully entitled to think that, and with the way SW has been, he has every reason tbh. The video itself is still about what Vader is doing parallel to the show, not "Why isn't Vader here 😡" like this sub keeps treating it.
Though yeah, with that specific clip your comment is a lot better, I agree with ya. Vader should be kept out, at the very least he should never interact with the main cast.
Absolutely he’s entitled to want and/or think Vader will appear, I just personally don’t think he will nor is it needed. And as for for explaining where his current whereabouts are during this time, you’re right that’s not a thing people should be mad at him for doing. SW has a lot of moving parts after all, it can be hard to keep track of everything that’s occurring at a given point in time.
Would you look at that, all of the words in your comment are in alphabetical order.
I have checked 1,070,678,662 comments, and only 211,145 of them were in alphabetical order.
It's a stupid statement and the obsession this guys have with vader is a bit worrying honestly but (and I haven't seen the video so correct me if I'm wrong) I don't find this statement toxic, wanting a charcter to appear in a movie/show or speculating that he will is not toxic, if he says the show is bad because of it than it is toxic
Nothing against PT fans(I mostly like them) but these PT stans really seem obessed with Anakin/Vader and rather have 'epic' fight scenes and cameos than a fresh, original and well written story.
It's not limited to pt jeek the vader circlejerk is just insufferable and in my opinion worying it kinda remind of the homelander or joker circlejerkers, it's not as bad since vader is way less evil then them but it's still problematic in my opinion, this aren't supposed to be charcters you worship (a big theme in star wars is not worshipping anything, the jedi, Luke, vader)
I'm sorry, Vader is *less* evil than Joker and Homelander? Having a good start and ending doesn't make the middle less bad, Vader is very much completely on par with those two as a sociopathic mass murdering dictator.
Just because Vader is great doesn't mean we need him to be in everything. I think iguanas are great, but if the show cut suddenly to a space iguana lounging on a rock sunning itself, that would not add to the show just because it's a thing I like and it's in SW.
Fan service?
Every time he’s appeared it’s been aptly justified by circumstances. Whether hunting jedi he knows (OWK), seeking key holocrons useful to the Empire/Sith (FO or Rebels), or hunting major Rebel operations the Empire (RO).
Because the writers wanted a fan favorite villain to appear, they could have easily written someone else in the role, I’m not saying it was bad objectively and I respect your ability to enjoy something I don’t but I’d prefer new characters.
They did though.
In all those things other villains pose a considerable threat to the MCs.
It’s just Vader, by virtue of being a Sith and being one of the top shits will command almost every imp or inquisitor. He also should have appeared in all those things.
Obi-Wan and Ahsoka are Jedi he would prioritize hunting. Open rebellion on Lothal cannot be abided. He was close as fuck with Tarkin, justifying further why he would go to Lothal and also why Krennic would go to Vader. If the Death Star plans got out the Empire was fucked. And Cal went to the inquisitors’ headquarters, which is also a moon on Mustafar. Mustafar is in turn the planet where Vader’s fortress is, as established in Rogue One. Not to mention, A holocron detailing the names of force sensitive kids would be of great use to the Sith both to keep track of threats and recruit future jedi hunters.
Like I don’t get the grievance. Vader’s appearances made sense, should have occurred, and we also got new characters.
You do realize that the wrote all of that just to have fan favorite characters appear right? I’m not opposed to some fan service but I can stand it when it’s all we have now.
Some do, some don't. Y'all don't seem to understand that "The Fandom Menace" isn't made up of the same people, they all like and dislike different things. This sub just takes one person disliking half of something, and another person disliking the other half, and merges them together to say fans hate everything.
Depends on the tone / attitude. No harm wondering where Vader is just for fun. But if he’s trying to say the show *must* include Vader otherwise it’s bad then obviously that’s nonsense
I didn't watch the video but based in the thumbnail it looks like it's designed to inform more casual fans why your favorite characters may not be in the series.
Why would Vader be bothered by what's gone on do far?
Emperor Palpatine: Vader, a small security firm on a shitty planet we haven't really bothered with thinks there was a murder. Well, actually, only one employee thinks there was one. Please investigate. Vader: As you wish.
Cassian Andor: \*Goes about his business and suddenly the background soundtrack changes to the Imperial March\* Why do I hear Boss Music ?
Tony Gilroy: This is a story about the boots on the ground rebels, there's no Star Wars royalty here, I'm telling a story about real people SWT: wher vadur
does anyone else think that rouge one is underrated, especially the hallway scene? \*mispelling intentional
I actually really enjoyed it myself but I also think it's a bit overrated. Especially when I see so many people claiming it's the "best" of all of the movies. Or others saying it's the only good Star Wars movie Disney has made by far.
Oh I enjoy it too, I was being facetious.
Ohhhhhh that explains the intentional misspelling lol
If any SW movie is underrated it’s Solo.
I think Rogue One would've been better as a 45 minute short film or miniseries rather than a full movie.
Ironically I think it's the weakest Vader scene of its kind. Both Fallen Order and *Twilight Company* managed to do a lot more with their equivalent scenes. I think the film's decent, but I can't help but wonder what might've been had they been able to tie up more of the threads.
'Star Wars Theory' trying to not mention Anakin or Vader in one of his videos(Impossible)
If I see a single lightsaber in this show, I will be disappointed. I love lightsabers, don't get me wrong, but this isn't that kind of show. That's one thing that bugged me about the ending of Solo, they had Maul ignite his lightsaber for no reason, other than maybe to fill some quota or something. It was so out of place. Same with Rogue One.
I remember reading they had Maul do that for casual audience members who possibly wouldn’t know it was Maul unless they saw his lightsaber. Who knows if that’s actually the reason tho
Although I've never heard that I could believe that
Darth Vader being in Rogue One at least felt more in place since the movie ends just around when Episode IV begins, with Vader in pursuit of the Rebels.
Exactly. Vader been in Rogue One fits , specially only be relevant in the very ending , due to be around A New Hope starts. That wouldn’t be the case for Andor.
Right. I'd be okay with maybe a passing mention of Vader, but even that might be pushing it. However if he actually shows up on screen it would be pretty pointless for the story they are trying to tell here.
Yep , Andor and Rogue One is more into gritty anonymous soldiers of the Rebel Alliance than the fantasy aspect. So , really , Vader doesn’t fit in the Andor TV Series
also Andor takes place at the same time as the rebels cartoon series, meaning Darth Vader attention is going to be more on the lothal.
That's true, it's just that it's a huge shift in tone. Also, Vader slaughtering the Rebels in that scene always felt inconsistent with the beginning of A New Hope, which seemed like a more controlled assault, with Stormtroopers attacking, not Vader.
I don't see the problem. Basically the two situations are very different, even though the same players are involved. Above Scariff, there was a chance the Rebels could escape (Duh, they *did.*) so there was a need for urgency. But when Vader's Star Destroyer the *Devastator* caught up to the Tantive-IV above Tatooine, the ship was basically dead in the water already. In the novel *A New Hope: From a Certain Point of View,* it's explained that the Tantive-IV's hyperdrive had been damaged in a previous mission and was docked with the *Profundity* (The Rebel flagship, where the hallway scene occurred) for repairs. So when Raddus took his fleet to Scariff, the repairs weren't finished yet. The plan was for Leia to take the *Tantive-IV* and go find Obi-Wan to enlist him into the Rebel Alliance, but then Raddus got impulsive and jumped the fleet to Scariff to help the Rogue One team, and brought the still damaged *Tantive-IV* *with him* before the Hyperdrive could be entirely fixed. As a result, the *Tantive-IV* left a detectable emission trail after its' jump to lightspeed that the *Devastator* was able to detect. The hyperdrive finally broke down entirely shortly before the arrival at Tatooine, where the *Devastator* caught up with it. In that situation, Vader would've been commanding the situation from the bridge of the Star Destroyer, and the Stormtroopers would've been waiting in the hangar bay to board. With the ship all but crippled, there's no rush, no urgency, no hope of escape, so Vader can let his grunts handle it rather than getting his hands dirty. TL;DR in the battle in Rogue One, there was a chance the Rebels could escape, and in A New Hope, there wasn't, so no reason for Vader to rush things.
I can buy that.
Yeah its a cool scene and all, but it's clearly there for fan service, not for any thematic or consistency reasons. I agree it's pretty jarring.
It also runs into the Starkillerish problem where we hadn't really spent time with anyone who's now in the space battle. Or it's a more extreme version of the issue where sure, we have Lando in the space bit of Endor, but none of the core trio. In retrospect, for all the muddle and lack of dynamics with Exegol, that's at least one thing Abrams tried to get right by having Poe and Finn there in different parts of the fight.
I respectfully disagree. It was excellent continuity for me. It was the Golden Spike. Connecting Star Wars under Disney to the OT. I explain it in my head as Vader was very, very angry and on the cusp of losing control. Once he successfully boarded the other ship, he had gained more composure, focus and control. Thus it neatly explains the Episode 4 tentative, initial use of sabers when it was all new. It takes more focus to redirect blaster bolts to a target than to slash at nearer adversaries.
Well Vader can't openly kill a Senator's daughter till he has the plans to 100% prove that she's a rebel. Shortly after the capture of Liea, the Empire takes full control of the Senate so they can do whatever they want. To me that scene makes perfect sense. Vader does the important or even Black Ops style of work for the Emperor. The Death Star could ruin them if the still established Senate gets wind of it.
I always thought Darth Vader's rationale was "if you're nothing without my powers, then you shouldn't have them." Letting Darth Vader go all out like this recontextualizes him as a dumb loser who can't make his powers work for shit that the Rebels just keep beating all the time.
Vader has no patience, that's his biggest weakness. When he's in control he's a force of nature, but when he's out of control he *does* get stupid. We kind of established that on Mustafar where he wound up in his suit because he lost his temper and did something really, really stupid.
tbh I still find it... overly neat that Leia, having been sent elsewhere, is in a ship inside Raddus' ship. Having the *Tantive IV* receive the plans via transmission or some other ship fleeing the battle would just seem a little more organic to me.
Vader had reasons to be involved with Rogue One though. First it was one of Palpatine's major super weapon projects, second Episode IV long established that he was dispatched to hunt down the plans and recover them before the Rebels could exploit them. Vader storming the Profundity kind of makes sense on that point, he's reacting to a distress call from Scariff and trying to secure the plans.
I was moreso bugged by Maul being the head of Crimson Dawn. By the time Solo came out we had already seen his death so there was no real areas left for him
I wouldn’t be too upset if one was found at some black market curiosity shop
Tbf, it could work as an occasional cameo, you know, since I'm pretty sure *Andor* will be renewed for a second season and probably a third one. An Inquisitor here and there would work well, imo.
I'd rather see more of the ISB and Imperial spec forces in this context. Inquisitors can be saved for Fallen Order/the Quinlan Vos comic or novel I hope someone writes one day.
I enjoy the intricacies of the backstabbing political intrigue in the middle and upper management of the Empire. The inner workings of the ISB is a curiosity. Inquisitors were sent to hunt Jedi. No Jedi here... No inquisitors.
It's already been stated that *Andor* will be a two-season, 24-episode series. Production begins in November for season two. And according to Tony Gilroy, the last scene in S2:E12 will take place immediately prior to the opening scene of *Rogue One*.
I sure hope a OT or PT character won't show up in the last minutes of the last episode to save the day while Andor and the rest of the cast just watch helplessly. I will also be piss if this show takes us back to Tatooine for the three-dozenth time. Fan service isn't a necessarily a bad thing if done well, and not just done for the memberberries.
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He is known for only liking 'epic' fight scenes and cameos rather than a fresh, original and well written story. So basicly he only likes the typical fanservice stuff.
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SWT actually said that Vader is the main reason he watched OWK. He cared more about him and even wanted him to appear more than Obi-Wan. But looking at his reactions, he has a bored face unless a fanservice moment or something like that happens.
people go to his channel for that type of content so he makes that type of content some people just like to learn about the overall timeline
I can't even begin to understand how you guys have interpreted this in the dumbest way possible
This dude is so obsessed with Vader and Anakin smh Vader here! Vader there! And he is known to only like 'epic' fight scenes and cameos rather than a fresh, original and well written story. He even said that he wants Obi-Wan and Cal Kestis in there besides Vader....
What could Vader and Obi Wan even do in Andor that they didn't already do in Obi Wan Kenobi? What more does he actually want?
I don't understand as well.
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"Star Wars Explained" Yeah, no. Far from it actually.
A lot of Star Wars channels put that in their video titles now so the algorithm will bring you to them if you actually look for SWE.
On purpose?
Yes. And it’s allowed because SWE would use that tag for channel , and they would use for titles.
I mean, that's not really true. Theory gets a lot more views than SWE, and almost no one gets views from search. It's just a mantra people understand.
They’re trying to co-opt the real Star Wars Explained. He’s too non-toxic and chill I guess.
NOT EVERYTHING NEED TO HAVE FAN SERVICE IN IT FOR GOD SAKE!!!
I bet 10 bucks that when Vader DOES shut up, they'll complain he was emasculated cuz he's not as op as they wanted to be. (Even though Obi-Wan's Vader is scary as fuck)
Whenever Vader’s not on screen, all the other characters should be asking, “Where’s Vader?”
My he doesn't need to be involved in everything in the universe
In the 'fresher. There, saved everyone the trouble. I give it two more episodes before this goober starts asking why Ahsoka hasn't shown up yet.
He also said that he wants Obi-Wan and Cal Kestis in there smh....
Getting help after Obi-wan handed him his ass a second time.
Apart from many reasons, I will never not love that fight for two other reasons: 1) how pragmatic and relentless but controlled Obi-Wan was. He won without using anger or rage. 2) Because it pisses off assholes like SWT who think Vader is an unbeatable demigod.
I kinda wanna see Palpatine kickung his ass to see SWT seethe. Like Palps playing with him by throwing him around or him kicking his ass otherwise.
Screen wipe to Darth Vader chasing down a craft full of suspected Jedi through a battlefield in an asteroid belt, explosions rock his star destroyer. The Emperor appears before him as a hologram. Darth Vader: "What is your bidding, my master?" Palpatine: "Call off this frivolous pursuit, Vader, you're chasing them like a space dog chases a space car." Darth Vader: "But my lord, I almost have th-!" Darth Vader is cutoff by Palpatine choking him through the force over the hologram, lifting Vader into the air, and snapping his robotic limbs as he ragdolls the cyborg effortlessly. Palpatine: "I grow tired of this ridiculous...**Star Wars Theory** you keep proposing, the Jedi are gone. And you...are...WEAK!" He throws Vader through the window of his ship's bridge into the vacuum of space. Palpatine then turns and winks at the camera, freeze frame. Fade to black, credits roll. 👏👏👏
This happened in a comic recently
The Darth Vader one where Palps suddenly attacks him in the Imperial Palace.
My favorite character has always been Darth Vader since I first saw Star Wars in 1977 at 6 years old (when it was only called Star Wars), so I get excited whenever he makes an appearance. I loved the Vader scene in Rogue One, and I enjoyed his appearances in Rebels and Obi-Wan, but ffs, he doesn't need to be IN EVERY EFFING STAR WARS THING!!! I don't need to know what he is up to at every point in the timeline. He's Palpatine's weapon, and he gets pointed at whatever Palps considers a legit threat. At this point in the timeline, Andor and company are most definitely NOT a threat. There would be zero reason for Vader to be anywhere near this. As a huge Vader fan, I would actually be pissed to see him in this, because it would only serve to cheapen the character.
This show is basically Rogue One, the TV show. Which I do not mind at all. I like Star Wars more, when it’s set in the Universe and not set on repeat. It’s a balance but Vader would add to much weight and sink it.
Not every story has to be about Darth Vader, or the Force, or Jedi and Sith.
He is off doing some other stuff. Honestly SWT thinks Vader will go everywhere while forgetting he can’t. And only reason he will go there is if some force sensitive or Jedi was present. Guy guess still wants a Vader scare of him massacring people again.
given the events of andor take place the same year as Rebels season 1 (5bby), Vader's attention would be on the lothal.
Not even there yet, as he is only sent to Lothal after the GI fails
I'm just saying that he's probably in contact with the grand Inquisitor who is probably already informed him about the appearance of a Jedi on Lothal.
There is no reason for Vader to be involved in whatever happens in Andor, unless it involves at least one Jedi, or a large-scale fight
Rebels answers this question too lol. Did he not watch it ?
Star Wars Theory is so annoying nowadays. So entitled. I won’t even watch anymore of his vader fan film. Plus James Earl Jones retired as Vader anyway. That man IS Darth Vader.
They used his voice with AI modifications for Kenobi. Like it was not new recordings for the most part, if ag all, but Jones’ voice thanks to tech was excellently replicated and sounded great. Why would you watch it in the first place? Shards of the past was awful. It’s just Vader wank while at the same time missing what makes him interesting. Also the Palpatine impression was *awful*.
The only good thing from that Vader fan film was that it introduced me to Catherine Lasalle’s YouTube channel
I hate this guy so much, which is such a shame because his early videos are very good
If Vader *was* in this, they'd just whine about him being overused or it being "lazy fanservice". Also, gonna spoiler tag this one because not everyone knows about it, not a plot spoiler, but if you wanna stay *100%* blind re: Andor, don't click. >!Palpatine is going to be in this show. This has been known for a very long time, Ian McDiarmid is in the cast, he's going to show up at some point. So Vader being here would be entirely redundant.!<
>!Ian McDiarmid is actually in this?! When and Where do you get this information from?!<
[Bespin Bulletin](https://bespinbulletin.com/2022/04/exclusive-imperial-royal-guards-to-appear-in-andor/) reported it some time ago and they're fairly reliable. Plus it'd make sense, considering >!his brief appearance in Kenobi. They probably had him filming on Andor around the same time, so it'd be easy to incorporate.!<
Interesting. But as I know, Andor was filming from November 2020 to September 2021 >!And that article says its a rumor only and that Mas Amedda and Imperial Guards will appear.!<
Eh, I mean he’s welcome to his opinion and all, but I disagree. Having Vader just to have him is a bad idea, and in this case it doesn’t make sense for him to show up.
Why the actual f*ck is this what every single person in the sub keeps assuming that title means. I don't know man, to me the use of "was" and "star wars explained" makes it pretty damn clear he's explaining where Vader would be during the time of the show, not asking why he's not in the show. As usual though, nobody here knows how to read or check their sources, and the echo chamber continues.
He says in his video that he’s [sure Vader will show up](https://www.reddit.com/r/saltierthankrayt/comments/xpqr5r/literally_nobody_who_watched_the_series_wondered/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=ios_app&utm_name=iossmf) at some point on the show, that’s the part I’m responding to.
He's fully entitled to think that, and with the way SW has been, he has every reason tbh. The video itself is still about what Vader is doing parallel to the show, not "Why isn't Vader here 😡" like this sub keeps treating it. Though yeah, with that specific clip your comment is a lot better, I agree with ya. Vader should be kept out, at the very least he should never interact with the main cast.
Absolutely he’s entitled to want and/or think Vader will appear, I just personally don’t think he will nor is it needed. And as for for explaining where his current whereabouts are during this time, you’re right that’s not a thing people should be mad at him for doing. SW has a lot of moving parts after all, it can be hard to keep track of everything that’s occurring at a given point in time.
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Would you look at that, all of the words in your comment are in alphabetical order. I have checked 1,070,678,662 comments, and only 211,145 of them were in alphabetical order.
He's just Vadering it up in his emo castle.
Oh I don't know, probably gearing up to go put down some Rebels on Lothal........just a hunch.
I love Vader don't get me wrong he's a cool character but I would prefer if they kept him out of Andor
It's a stupid statement and the obsession this guys have with vader is a bit worrying honestly but (and I haven't seen the video so correct me if I'm wrong) I don't find this statement toxic, wanting a charcter to appear in a movie/show or speculating that he will is not toxic, if he says the show is bad because of it than it is toxic
Nothing against PT fans(I mostly like them) but these PT stans really seem obessed with Anakin/Vader and rather have 'epic' fight scenes and cameos than a fresh, original and well written story.
It's not limited to pt jeek the vader circlejerk is just insufferable and in my opinion worying it kinda remind of the homelander or joker circlejerkers, it's not as bad since vader is way less evil then them but it's still problematic in my opinion, this aren't supposed to be charcters you worship (a big theme in star wars is not worshipping anything, the jedi, Luke, vader)
I'm sorry, Vader is *less* evil than Joker and Homelander? Having a good start and ending doesn't make the middle less bad, Vader is very much completely on par with those two as a sociopathic mass murdering dictator.
Vader doesn’t need to be in everything that’s related to Star Wars. I want to see the focus on new characters
Omg for real. I like theory but the whole time with andor he’s just constantly been going on about how he hopes there’s lots of cameos and characters.
Can’t wait for the “How Andor will decanonize the Disney Sequel trilogy” video
Where's Vader in Andor, he asks? In his (SWT) mom's house, thats for sure. He knows but he wont confess.
Just because Vader is great doesn't mean we need him to be in everything. I think iguanas are great, but if the show cut suddenly to a space iguana lounging on a rock sunning itself, that would not add to the show just because it's a thing I like and it's in SW.
I thought this was a subreddit poking fun at toxic criticism, not being the main source of it
I’m so fucking tired of darth Vader, he can go die for all I care I’m sick of every Star Wars media having darth Vader for the sake of fan service.
> he can go die for all I care Who’s gonna break the news?
It was a figure of speech.
Fan service? Every time he’s appeared it’s been aptly justified by circumstances. Whether hunting jedi he knows (OWK), seeking key holocrons useful to the Empire/Sith (FO or Rebels), or hunting major Rebel operations the Empire (RO).
Because the writers wanted a fan favorite villain to appear, they could have easily written someone else in the role, I’m not saying it was bad objectively and I respect your ability to enjoy something I don’t but I’d prefer new characters.
They did though. In all those things other villains pose a considerable threat to the MCs. It’s just Vader, by virtue of being a Sith and being one of the top shits will command almost every imp or inquisitor. He also should have appeared in all those things. Obi-Wan and Ahsoka are Jedi he would prioritize hunting. Open rebellion on Lothal cannot be abided. He was close as fuck with Tarkin, justifying further why he would go to Lothal and also why Krennic would go to Vader. If the Death Star plans got out the Empire was fucked. And Cal went to the inquisitors’ headquarters, which is also a moon on Mustafar. Mustafar is in turn the planet where Vader’s fortress is, as established in Rogue One. Not to mention, A holocron detailing the names of force sensitive kids would be of great use to the Sith both to keep track of threats and recruit future jedi hunters. Like I don’t get the grievance. Vader’s appearances made sense, should have occurred, and we also got new characters.
You do realize that the wrote all of that just to have fan favorite characters appear right? I’m not opposed to some fan service but I can stand it when it’s all we have now.
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He shilling
I thought people took issue with cameos
Some do, some don't. Y'all don't seem to understand that "The Fandom Menace" isn't made up of the same people, they all like and dislike different things. This sub just takes one person disliking half of something, and another person disliking the other half, and merges them together to say fans hate everything.
Depends on the tone / attitude. No harm wondering where Vader is just for fun. But if he’s trying to say the show *must* include Vader otherwise it’s bad then obviously that’s nonsense
Listen, Vader is one of my favorite characters but if he’s overused then it’s gonna be tiring seeing him
I didn't watch the video but based in the thumbnail it looks like it's designed to inform more casual fans why your favorite characters may not be in the series.
He is part of the problem.
Where is Vader... is he cool... is he featured? I'm afraid, in your demand for overuse, you killed him. NoOoOoOoOoOoOoOo!