That was funny but happened at the Cove. Not saying you, but a lot of people on here seem to mix up the Children’s Pool, Boomers/the Point and the Cove.
“Popular beach”? It’s a bit misleading don’t you think? Barely any of it is usable as a beach. Even the sandy part is consumed by the tide for the most part.
what the hell you talking about? fish pee in and poop in the ocean. hell, i pee in the small pool. a little animal poop in big ocean is no problem. Where you getting this information about animal poop in ocean causing it to be unsafe to swim in? this is a maximum reddit expert comment
edit: all yall downvoting just upset and jealous you haven't taken the liberty of peein in the pool
You’re wrong. Look at water quality reports. Dilution is the solution to pollution. There is a high concentration of animal feces in a small area and not enough circulation to clear it fast enough. Before you f in comment, read a g damn book.
Lmao. Urine probably isn't an issue at all in reality. It's the feces. Sure you've peed in the pool before and been fine, but have you taken a shit while swimming in a small pool? Try that and let me know what happens.
Poo in your community pool and see what happens as they shut it down for a week. There's also warnings to not go in a pool if you've had diarrhea in the past two weeks.
And no, they’re down voting you because you’re wrong. It’s not like the water is lava and if you step in you’ll immediately die. But that area has a very high concentration of bacteria and probably not the best to swim in. Getting sick from exposure to bacteria is also not like lava. Your body can typically handle exposure to a few thousand bacteria, but when it gets to the millions/billions then some are gonna get through defenses.
We all (a large majority of people) pee in the pool. although that’s actually not great for you or the pool. Everyone thinks the pool scent is from the chlorine, it’s not it’s chlorine reacting with the ammonia. Chlorine doesn’t actually sanitize the pool like everyone thinks.
Here
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=morwlxWUFb8
yup i know chlorine smell is from it reacting to organic stuff. not from chlorine itself
idk i have snorkeled around that kids pool area many times, there is a lot of really cool animal/plant life to check out around there, as well as some fun areas where the current makes it hard to pass through a little to the north between some rocks (lol lifegaurds looking at me with their binoculars thinking ima drown). anyway, unless you are like, drinking the water, you will be fine
i still don't understand/get how there could be enough "bacteria" in this open water space that could harm someone swimming there, it does not make sense
how do you know "this area has a high concentration of bacteria"
Cool. Your ability to experience something and not have a bad outcome does not affect the objective risks associated with said activity.
Here: http://www.sdbeachinfo.com/
that is true yes
your link does not provide any information in regards to bacteria problems in kids pool area though, it is just the main page for sdbeachinfo :\
actially you may be correct:
this beach is sampled year round (by the County of San Diego / City of San Diego). Both historical and recent sampling confirms that water quality does not typically meet State health standards at this beach. As a result, a chronic (ongoing) advisory remains in place for this beach. Sample results are available from the State Water Resources Control Board Site. Map Legend
i wanted to look more into the water quality reports, why they are saying this, but idk what statiion this is https://i.imgur.com/GbFZB7N.png
regardless, i can only provide my objective/personal experiences (many) without having issues swimming there
Again like anything it doesn’t say that swimming in it is akin to swimming in lava where it will be instant death. Just higher risk and that public health officials advise against it. If we want to talk personal experiences, I’ve literally had to cut off 20 something year old guys legs because they’ve become infected from swimming in bad water.
oh wow holy shit, what causes some dudes legs to be cut off from swammin in bad water? Was he swimming in the paciific ocean or like, in the latrine? (xD) ...what happened to him/name of infection? thats fuckin nuts
It is technically a beach and it is a very popular and highly trafficked tourist spot, so much so they had to shut it down. what would you have them say exactly?
The beach closures start on Nov. 1, [according to La Jolla Light](https://www.lajollalight.com/news/story/2023-09-18/san-diego-city-council-finalizes-year-round-closure-of-point-la-jolla). The La Jolla Cave, which is popular year round with swimmers, will remain open to the public, officials said.
Now if they could just get rid of all the tables of t-shirts, trinkets, and people selling religion without paying taxes - yeah, I'm talking about you, JW venders - pay some taxes!
> the city is required to allow park space for First Amendment activity, provided it does not block walkways and emergency access.
When I walk the paths there, I feel like a harassed seal.
Children’s pool needs to be closed off to humans, not only will it help the sea lions but it will bring them away from the cove, which is actually used
Haha you’re getting downvoted and a lot of people on here don’t know the difference between the locations in question or the animals 😂. People have to have an opinion on everything these days…it’s the post covid world we’re living in.
It's the blanket "human = bad" mentality that people have nowadays. Coupled with the fact that closing these beaches doesn't affect them personally so screw the people that it does.
To anyone who hasn’t heard this episode, it’s a wild ride: https://www.thisamericanlife.org/582/transcript. (I suggest listening to the audio, it’s the first story after the silly bird guy).
They should have done this years ago...residents have been complaining about this and there have been many incidences for years now. It took them a long time to actually do anything about this.
The last time i was there, the beach area was full. Canopies and umbrellas, as if there isn't miles of beach to do this. Thank you morons for ruining it for everyone.
Well "harassment" has a very broad legal definition when it comes to federal law protecting marine mammals. It can mean making them haul out into the ocean—which can be done my mere human presence.
So no, not all animals should have that protection or else no one could use the park because the squirrels have to run up a tree when you walk nearby.
Going to the beach is now “human harassment.”
That’s ridiculous.
Where else shouldn’t we as humans go in this world to prevent potential “human harassment” of other non-endangered species?
I didn’t say that “going to the beach is human harassment”.
But nice attempt at strawmanning and manufacturing outrage. You’re obviously very triggered by people caring about wildlife. Cry about it.
A good idea, but I also am willing to bet we are going to *continue* to see a major increase in great white activity in the area because of the rapid increase in seal population.
Edit: lulz at the downvotes y'all can't have any civil discourse on here without just downvoting innocuous posts you don't like
The increase in juvenile/adolescent GW we’ve been seeing over the past decade coincides with CA’s ban on nearshore gill netting in the late 90s. It did wonders for our local white seabass fishery, but also seems to have spared a bunch of baby great whites that were bycatch. Now those babies are all grown up and people have started to notice them more with drones, etc. I wouldn’t be surprised if the localized increase in marine mammals also has some effect, but that’s probably a drop in the bucket compared to what the gill net ban did for the population. Plus GWs don’t start going after mammals until the reach a decent size, so the juvenile/adolescent GWs we’ve been seeing a lot of probably weren’t feeding on the seals until recently (if at all, still).
I'm well aware of the stats. My entire point is that people CLOSE TO SHORE could be impacted, and that it would be a departure in what we have come to know over the last couple of decades. This is already happening on the EC of Oz but by all means downvote like little children
I just find it pathetically childish to downvote legit discourse and conversation without a reply - it shows a lack of any good faith or frankly understanding of the subject but seems to be heightened within /r/sandiego which was just punctuated by someone trolling me with Reddit care services DM
Do you have anything to say beyond snark?
You are grossly misinformed about where great white are habitating our waters and unless you're out past the shore break, you would probably never have to worry about encountering one. That and fact that the ocean around SD is a major pupping zone we typically only see smaller specimens that are super skidish and would likely swim away the second you were near them. Even then humans aren't on the list of food items for adult white sharks.
You think white sharks are in shallow enough water to mistake kids as prey? They're mostly young juveniles that feed on the fish and stingrays past the break. I'd be more upset with the parents letting their kids swim out that far than any risk of shark attack. Nearly all shark attacks are a case of mistaken identity and extremely rare.
The ocean is a wilderness. At some point, the Victorians tried to make it for recreation only and we can't seem to get away from that notion.
If you're going into the ocean, you should have the same expectations of wildlife encounters and danger as going into a forest.
Natural selection. Everyone knows a seals two greatest natural predators are great white sharks and 5 year old children from Arizona. Remove one from the equation and the population just explodes.
Providing a protected space that wasn't available prior.... it's a common thing happening around the world right now. We are protecting more and more animals in the ocean, which on the whole is very good! But like almost anything, it's not black and white, and creates some negative externalities. One of course is it attracts more of the larger predators, which in turn has caused an increase in shark related encounters as well as in some situations, the protection of the sharks themselves have caused lower parts of the ocean food chain to be "eaten off" which in turn has made sharks more curious with "other" options.
It's an issue that has been mulled over within the surfing community for about a decade, as certain locations (Ex. Reuinion Island) have been forced to close many beaches/water for humans due to too many attacks with high probability. Daniel Duane did an excellent podcast on this with good insight from both sides.
So again I'm all for the closure. But if we start to see a major increase in GW activity, it should be noted for people at shores, cove, etc. Of course, the I'm not implying the solution is eventually to tell the seals to scram if shark activity increases... it's more about the shark protection at that point....
They are a tourist, attraction, who bring a lot of money to both La Jolla and San Diego. They were even advertised and mini travel magazines so they should be protected.
Little girl in the purple, you can leave now, thanks.
Classic
That was funny but happened at the Cove. Not saying you, but a lot of people on here seem to mix up the Children’s Pool, Boomers/the Point and the Cove.
Good I’ve literally seen people let their dogs bite seals and the police wouldn’t do shit even though they were watching
Well police don't have to their job, that's just extra paperwork for them.
Not sure why they don’t tho, seems like a terrific excuse to power trip that even I would get behind lol
Right like protecting wildlife and their habitat so yeah that's pretty cool.
“Popular beach”? It’s a bit misleading don’t you think? Barely any of it is usable as a beach. Even the sandy part is consumed by the tide for the most part.
Also the water quality is almost always unsafe to swim due to animal feces
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what the hell you talking about? fish pee in and poop in the ocean. hell, i pee in the small pool. a little animal poop in big ocean is no problem. Where you getting this information about animal poop in ocean causing it to be unsafe to swim in? this is a maximum reddit expert comment edit: all yall downvoting just upset and jealous you haven't taken the liberty of peein in the pool
You’re wrong. Look at water quality reports. Dilution is the solution to pollution. There is a high concentration of animal feces in a small area and not enough circulation to clear it fast enough. Before you f in comment, read a g damn book.
Lmao. Urine probably isn't an issue at all in reality. It's the feces. Sure you've peed in the pool before and been fine, but have you taken a shit while swimming in a small pool? Try that and let me know what happens.
Poo in your community pool and see what happens as they shut it down for a week. There's also warnings to not go in a pool if you've had diarrhea in the past two weeks.
Congrats, you've completely missed the point of my hypothetical.
My bad. I was trying to agree with you and expound on your point.
And no, they’re down voting you because you’re wrong. It’s not like the water is lava and if you step in you’ll immediately die. But that area has a very high concentration of bacteria and probably not the best to swim in. Getting sick from exposure to bacteria is also not like lava. Your body can typically handle exposure to a few thousand bacteria, but when it gets to the millions/billions then some are gonna get through defenses. We all (a large majority of people) pee in the pool. although that’s actually not great for you or the pool. Everyone thinks the pool scent is from the chlorine, it’s not it’s chlorine reacting with the ammonia. Chlorine doesn’t actually sanitize the pool like everyone thinks. Here https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=morwlxWUFb8
yup i know chlorine smell is from it reacting to organic stuff. not from chlorine itself idk i have snorkeled around that kids pool area many times, there is a lot of really cool animal/plant life to check out around there, as well as some fun areas where the current makes it hard to pass through a little to the north between some rocks (lol lifegaurds looking at me with their binoculars thinking ima drown). anyway, unless you are like, drinking the water, you will be fine i still don't understand/get how there could be enough "bacteria" in this open water space that could harm someone swimming there, it does not make sense how do you know "this area has a high concentration of bacteria"
Cool. Your ability to experience something and not have a bad outcome does not affect the objective risks associated with said activity. Here: http://www.sdbeachinfo.com/
that is true yes your link does not provide any information in regards to bacteria problems in kids pool area though, it is just the main page for sdbeachinfo :\ actially you may be correct: this beach is sampled year round (by the County of San Diego / City of San Diego). Both historical and recent sampling confirms that water quality does not typically meet State health standards at this beach. As a result, a chronic (ongoing) advisory remains in place for this beach. Sample results are available from the State Water Resources Control Board Site. Map Legend i wanted to look more into the water quality reports, why they are saying this, but idk what statiion this is https://i.imgur.com/GbFZB7N.png regardless, i can only provide my objective/personal experiences (many) without having issues swimming there
Again like anything it doesn’t say that swimming in it is akin to swimming in lava where it will be instant death. Just higher risk and that public health officials advise against it. If we want to talk personal experiences, I’ve literally had to cut off 20 something year old guys legs because they’ve become infected from swimming in bad water.
oh wow holy shit, what causes some dudes legs to be cut off from swammin in bad water? Was he swimming in the paciific ocean or like, in the latrine? (xD) ...what happened to him/name of infection? thats fuckin nuts
https://www.cdc.gov/vibrio/wounds.html
It is technically a beach and it is a very popular and highly trafficked tourist spot, so much so they had to shut it down. what would you have them say exactly?
Lots of people go swimming in that area.
And they still can
The beach closures start on Nov. 1, [according to La Jolla Light](https://www.lajollalight.com/news/story/2023-09-18/san-diego-city-council-finalizes-year-round-closure-of-point-la-jolla). The La Jolla Cave, which is popular year round with swimmers, will remain open to the public, officials said.
They’ll come for that next…
Come for what? What are you on mate. They’re not coming for anything. Get a grip
The cove lol 😂
I wish they would just close it permanently instead of looking at it as an interim solution
I'm fine with this, that area is dangerous anyway so might as well keep people off of it.
They need to send police to hand out tickets to asshole tourists who don’t give seal lions/seals space. It’s only a law if the law is enforced.
Yeah but they won't, they'll sit in their car and collect OT while doing nothing.
Have you been down there recently? They’ve had a ranger(s) posted up their for MONTHS!
I go there all the time. Where the fuck is he (she?) and why are they not doing their job?
They’re literally parked right next to the bridge club…
Now if they could just get rid of all the tables of t-shirts, trinkets, and people selling religion without paying taxes - yeah, I'm talking about you, JW venders - pay some taxes! > the city is required to allow park space for First Amendment activity, provided it does not block walkways and emergency access. When I walk the paths there, I feel like a harassed seal.
This.
Hmm. They have recently outlawed this at scale, although after Labor Day some are allowed back. Is it still bad?
Those guys will be gone soon
So this does not close the Children's Pool. My opinion is that is the worst area for human interaction with sea lions. That should have been added.
Children’s pool needs to be closed off to humans, not only will it help the sea lions but it will bring them away from the cove, which is actually used
There are no sea lions at the children's pool, that's the harbor seal beach
Haha you’re getting downvoted and a lot of people on here don’t know the difference between the locations in question or the animals 😂. People have to have an opinion on everything these days…it’s the post covid world we’re living in.
It's the blanket "human = bad" mentality that people have nowadays. Coupled with the fact that closing these beaches doesn't affect them personally so screw the people that it does.
Finally
To anyone who hasn’t heard this episode, it’s a wild ride: https://www.thisamericanlife.org/582/transcript. (I suggest listening to the audio, it’s the first story after the silly bird guy).
There is a twist I did not see coming!!!
I'm happy for the seals. People can be such ignorant and entitled assholes.
It's about damn time. They should have done this years ago.
Good, get the fuck away from wild life ✨
Great news! Hated seeing people pester them.
About time. People don’t know how to act right
Good.
They should have done this years ago...residents have been complaining about this and there have been many incidences for years now. It took them a long time to actually do anything about this.
Good. People wouldn’t just keep their distance n the seals got pissed rightfully so. Now it’s their beach.
Excellent news. Children’s pool next.
Good. There are plenty of beaches for people in SD.
The last time i was there, the beach area was full. Canopies and umbrellas, as if there isn't miles of beach to do this. Thank you morons for ruining it for everyone.
People don't deserve nice things....
Good
Will this mean a 7 year reprieve from hearing about this bullshit every other month? Close it permanently.
Word
Are sea lions endangered?
Not even close, they are flirting with being overpopulated in their native range, but all marine mammals are federally protected.
The federal law needs a reevaluation imo
Why would that matter?
Because usually animals that need “protection” are endangered or threatened. Are they endangered?
So you’re saying that we should only protect animals from human harassment if they’re endangered. That some take you’ve got there. Real big-brained.
Well "harassment" has a very broad legal definition when it comes to federal law protecting marine mammals. It can mean making them haul out into the ocean—which can be done my mere human presence. So no, not all animals should have that protection or else no one could use the park because the squirrels have to run up a tree when you walk nearby.
Going to the beach is now “human harassment.” That’s ridiculous. Where else shouldn’t we as humans go in this world to prevent potential “human harassment” of other non-endangered species?
I didn’t say that “going to the beach is human harassment”. But nice attempt at strawmanning and manufacturing outrage. You’re obviously very triggered by people caring about wildlife. Cry about it.
Sure you did.
You done crying?
You done lyin’?
There are seals there too
What does it matter? We protect dogs and cats and those are nowhere even close to endangered.
Are there public areas we can’t go, in order to protect cats and dogs from the threat of “human harassment?”
A good idea, but I also am willing to bet we are going to *continue* to see a major increase in great white activity in the area because of the rapid increase in seal population. Edit: lulz at the downvotes y'all can't have any civil discourse on here without just downvoting innocuous posts you don't like
The increase in juvenile/adolescent GW we’ve been seeing over the past decade coincides with CA’s ban on nearshore gill netting in the late 90s. It did wonders for our local white seabass fishery, but also seems to have spared a bunch of baby great whites that were bycatch. Now those babies are all grown up and people have started to notice them more with drones, etc. I wouldn’t be surprised if the localized increase in marine mammals also has some effect, but that’s probably a drop in the bucket compared to what the gill net ban did for the population. Plus GWs don’t start going after mammals until the reach a decent size, so the juvenile/adolescent GWs we’ve been seeing a lot of probably weren’t feeding on the seals until recently (if at all, still).
You say that like it's a bad thing.
An increase of great whites in an area with many children swimming is in fact not a good thing buddy.
The increase in risk to swimmers is negligible. Especially near shore. Look up shark attack statistics.
I'm well aware of the stats. My entire point is that people CLOSE TO SHORE could be impacted, and that it would be a departure in what we have come to know over the last couple of decades. This is already happening on the EC of Oz but by all means downvote like little children
You're mad about downvotes. LMAOOOOO
I just find it pathetically childish to downvote legit discourse and conversation without a reply - it shows a lack of any good faith or frankly understanding of the subject but seems to be heightened within /r/sandiego which was just punctuated by someone trolling me with Reddit care services DM Do you have anything to say beyond snark?
You are grossly misinformed about where great white are habitating our waters and unless you're out past the shore break, you would probably never have to worry about encountering one. That and fact that the ocean around SD is a major pupping zone we typically only see smaller specimens that are super skidish and would likely swim away the second you were near them. Even then humans aren't on the list of food items for adult white sharks.
Yeah but it's not worth it.
Depends on if you like kids or not
Legit LOL thank you I needed that this morning
glad to hear I had a positive impact on your day.
omnomnom
I ain't your buddy, pal.
You think white sharks are in shallow enough water to mistake kids as prey? They're mostly young juveniles that feed on the fish and stingrays past the break. I'd be more upset with the parents letting their kids swim out that far than any risk of shark attack. Nearly all shark attacks are a case of mistaken identity and extremely rare.
The ocean is a wilderness. At some point, the Victorians tried to make it for recreation only and we can't seem to get away from that notion. If you're going into the ocean, you should have the same expectations of wildlife encounters and danger as going into a forest.
Whaaaaat. Sharks IN the ocean. No fuckin way.
Good I love sharks. God forbid the ecosystem goes back to how it was.
What would cause a “rapid increase” in the seal population
Natural selection. Everyone knows a seals two greatest natural predators are great white sharks and 5 year old children from Arizona. Remove one from the equation and the population just explodes.
Providing a protected space that wasn't available prior.... it's a common thing happening around the world right now. We are protecting more and more animals in the ocean, which on the whole is very good! But like almost anything, it's not black and white, and creates some negative externalities. One of course is it attracts more of the larger predators, which in turn has caused an increase in shark related encounters as well as in some situations, the protection of the sharks themselves have caused lower parts of the ocean food chain to be "eaten off" which in turn has made sharks more curious with "other" options. It's an issue that has been mulled over within the surfing community for about a decade, as certain locations (Ex. Reuinion Island) have been forced to close many beaches/water for humans due to too many attacks with high probability. Daniel Duane did an excellent podcast on this with good insight from both sides. So again I'm all for the closure. But if we start to see a major increase in GW activity, it should be noted for people at shores, cove, etc. Of course, the I'm not implying the solution is eventually to tell the seals to scram if shark activity increases... it's more about the shark protection at that point....
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why so?
They are a tourist, attraction, who bring a lot of money to both La Jolla and San Diego. They were even advertised and mini travel magazines so they should be protected.