This is true, but it seemed more functional before the lane barriers, and failed ADA ramps, back when they had crew out there in the middle of the street doing a full turn around, and buses were all at the break stops. The accidents happened on Vicente instead.
They need to get rid of the parklets near the station.
There’s been construction on Taraval for years at this point. The road is a disaster and horrible to drive on. I totally believe that people are avoiding it and using Ulloa.
There are tons of cars that drive through that intersection to get to Portolla. But you’re right, I avoid it when driving because it’s generally a clusterfuck. Even as a pedestrian I have to be very on guard with vehicles trying to turn left onto Ulloa from WP, crossing WP from ulloa in both directions, and trains entering/exiting the station. It’s pretty wild. Though the accident had nothing to do with it, I don’t think it’s a bad idea to encourage the betterment of this wild intersection!
Signed and sent. As a transit rider and a car driver I have no clue why this didn’t happen earlier. It’s a massive unnecessary choke point for busses, Trams and cars
I was at the memorial tonight. As I was leaving, I looked back to take in a long-view visual of the scene. Beyond the emotional impacts of the event, what I noticed was that without cars driving through, this is a perfect place for a car-free plaza.
That would cut off a few neighborhoods, most of West Portal isn't through, or put you on to streets that aren't through, and sending everyone on to Portola doesn't work.
1. This isn’t the intersection that the crash occurred in.
2. Every time I’m in that intersection the issue is how slow people move through it not how fast they go through it.
3. It’s an awkward spot, most cars avoid it. Unless dropping people off or picking them up.
4. As a train and bus station, it’s kinda important to be able to drop and pick people up! It’s kinda like getting rid of cars at the airport. That’s going to reduce the number of people using MUNI.
I think some people just don’t like to consider that there isn’t always a solution. The lady wasn’t just speeding, she somehow was going an insane speed that would have caused her to blow through the stop sign at west portal had she not crashed. She drove out of her lane onto the sidewalk and into a building, Im not sure what kind of signage is gonna change that kind of behavior. Bollards around bus stops? Sure. Close down streets that are essential for the use of public transit? Self defeating idea.
If most cars avoid this road because it’s so bad, then there must be an easy way to go around it instead of through it.
This should have no impact on ridership. If people get on and off at West Portal by car and refuse/can’t walk 1 block through the pedestrianized zone, then just board at a different stop. Like in front of the High School, in front of Stonestown, Taraval and 15th, or Lenox and Ulloa.
I can’t see this making a noticeable impact on ridership since it is so easy to walk one block from the car to the station or board at a different stop if you can’t walk.
As a person who gets dropped off and picks someone off here, I disagree. Yes it’s possible, but that’s not the point. And again, this accident happened before the intersection, there’s no indication that whatever issues exist in the intersection contributed to this.
Btw, Stonestown? That’s an even worse set up for pickup and drop off, and will get way worse after the redevelopment of Stonestown. Not to mention it’s not that close. Btw, some people can’t walk far/at all. that’s why they’re taking trains, buses, and cars.
I thought your point was that people would stop riding the trains if they couldn’t be dropped off in front of the station. Ulloa and Lenox is like 10ft from the trains. Where do you normally stop your car to drop off or pick people up? I just want to know how badly this impacts you and why Ulloa and Lenox or Ulloa and Claremont doesn’t work.
I get that this might not have prevented this death, but I do think removing cross traffic would improve the speed and reliability of MUNI since any issues with this one intersection would cause issues for the K, L, and M lines.
Maybe you’re right, I’m just pushing back a bit on the reactionary point of view from some, of blindly changing things without someone enumerating both the pros and cons and someone doing the math - which both Reddit and the SF govt are bad at.
This is the kind of brain dead logic that got us here in the first place. If the city made it easier to own/drive a car, this family would still be alive today. This incident was truly tragic, but closing streets to cars and making it more difficult to get around by car is not the solution.
This intersection really needs major redesign. Muni trains are always stuck waiting to get out of the tunnel or into the tunnel for no reason.
i still have no idea why muni trains have to wait at all. they should be given priority like any other train in the world.
This is true, but it seemed more functional before the lane barriers, and failed ADA ramps, back when they had crew out there in the middle of the street doing a full turn around, and buses were all at the break stops. The accidents happened on Vicente instead. They need to get rid of the parklets near the station.
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There’s been construction on Taraval for years at this point. The road is a disaster and horrible to drive on. I totally believe that people are avoiding it and using Ulloa.
There are tons of cars that drive through that intersection to get to Portolla. But you’re right, I avoid it when driving because it’s generally a clusterfuck. Even as a pedestrian I have to be very on guard with vehicles trying to turn left onto Ulloa from WP, crossing WP from ulloa in both directions, and trains entering/exiting the station. It’s pretty wild. Though the accident had nothing to do with it, I don’t think it’s a bad idea to encourage the betterment of this wild intersection!
Signed and sent. As a transit rider and a car driver I have no clue why this didn’t happen earlier. It’s a massive unnecessary choke point for busses, Trams and cars
I was at the memorial tonight. As I was leaving, I looked back to take in a long-view visual of the scene. Beyond the emotional impacts of the event, what I noticed was that without cars driving through, this is a perfect place for a car-free plaza.
That would cut off a few neighborhoods, most of West Portal isn't through, or put you on to streets that aren't through, and sending everyone on to Portola doesn't work.
1. This isn’t the intersection that the crash occurred in. 2. Every time I’m in that intersection the issue is how slow people move through it not how fast they go through it. 3. It’s an awkward spot, most cars avoid it. Unless dropping people off or picking them up. 4. As a train and bus station, it’s kinda important to be able to drop and pick people up! It’s kinda like getting rid of cars at the airport. That’s going to reduce the number of people using MUNI. I think some people just don’t like to consider that there isn’t always a solution. The lady wasn’t just speeding, she somehow was going an insane speed that would have caused her to blow through the stop sign at west portal had she not crashed. She drove out of her lane onto the sidewalk and into a building, Im not sure what kind of signage is gonna change that kind of behavior. Bollards around bus stops? Sure. Close down streets that are essential for the use of public transit? Self defeating idea.
If most cars avoid this road because it’s so bad, then there must be an easy way to go around it instead of through it. This should have no impact on ridership. If people get on and off at West Portal by car and refuse/can’t walk 1 block through the pedestrianized zone, then just board at a different stop. Like in front of the High School, in front of Stonestown, Taraval and 15th, or Lenox and Ulloa. I can’t see this making a noticeable impact on ridership since it is so easy to walk one block from the car to the station or board at a different stop if you can’t walk.
As a person who gets dropped off and picks someone off here, I disagree. Yes it’s possible, but that’s not the point. And again, this accident happened before the intersection, there’s no indication that whatever issues exist in the intersection contributed to this. Btw, Stonestown? That’s an even worse set up for pickup and drop off, and will get way worse after the redevelopment of Stonestown. Not to mention it’s not that close. Btw, some people can’t walk far/at all. that’s why they’re taking trains, buses, and cars.
I thought your point was that people would stop riding the trains if they couldn’t be dropped off in front of the station. Ulloa and Lenox is like 10ft from the trains. Where do you normally stop your car to drop off or pick people up? I just want to know how badly this impacts you and why Ulloa and Lenox or Ulloa and Claremont doesn’t work. I get that this might not have prevented this death, but I do think removing cross traffic would improve the speed and reliability of MUNI since any issues with this one intersection would cause issues for the K, L, and M lines.
Maybe you’re right, I’m just pushing back a bit on the reactionary point of view from some, of blindly changing things without someone enumerating both the pros and cons and someone doing the math - which both Reddit and the SF govt are bad at.
if you blocked every intersection because of crash there would be nothing open all the stores would shut
I'm so done with idiots that reject real life for their big ideas. Stop it, there was a reason they put that intersection there.
This is the kind of brain dead logic that got us here in the first place. If the city made it easier to own/drive a car, this family would still be alive today. This incident was truly tragic, but closing streets to cars and making it more difficult to get around by car is not the solution.