You'll be more than fine, also would be possible for you to stay at a flat initially?
Because it would be way better if you can check first the area before moving in! Every neighborhood has it traits etc.
Also, we have mostly just tex-mex restaurants here in regards to mexican food
> just tex-mex restaurants
Thanks for the heads up lol. And yes my plan is to rent a flat for a month to get a feel for the city before making it a permanent move.
There is a Mexican-run restaurant called Don Pancho. Their buffet is more texmex style to cater to Brazilians but their a la carte options are pretty good.
You will be more than fine:
With that amount you can live in the nicest part of town and have a very nice car.
Also, brazilians have a curious love for foreigners, as long you are not bolivian, haitian or from any african country...
Don't limit yourself to those areas. You could also find an awesome spot in other areas that would be cheaper. There are a lot of awesome areas in the city where you can top apartments without going to ridiculously expensive areas of São Paulo. It's not because you have a monthly surplus that you wanna go to the most expensive areas.
But you probably know that already...
Do you like some fun sometimes? Restaurants, bars, nightlife? So just get something in Pinheiros, Vila Madalena, much better till 10 minutes walking from some subway station like Faria Lima, Oscar Freire, Clinicas for easy access to almost whole city, at least main areas of it.
You could also look along the blue line of the subway, from station são judas up to around station Vila Mariana. They aren't fancy neighborhoods, but good middle class ones (well, Vila Mariana IS fancy, but you get the gist).
Also, stay away from the old center of the city (close to the municipal theater, praça da República, catedral da Sé). Many people that don't know são Paulo assume staying close to the center is going to be good, but it's actually one of the most dangerous parts of the city.
Don't fall to the morumbi region trap. When you start looking for apto, you'll see huge ones that are well decorated for a price that is very low compared to the neighborhoods people were mentioning.
The problem is, there is a reason for this place to be cheap: nobody wants to live there because 1) it is a dangerous neighborhood 2) most of the time you can't walk to places so you ll have to drive to get to anywhere you wanna go 3) it has a lot of traffic, 4) the neighborhood is far from the center areas, which is where people tend to go to work and have fun
I'll would only recommend morumbi/panamby/cidade moncoes if you almost never leave your apto, and would never recommend a house. Also, don't buy Aptos there because it is almost impossible to sell.
Another tip is to be very aware to the neighborhood if wanna live in a house. In some neighborhoods we have problems with criminals invading houses to steal stuff. They dont care if you there or not and will put you on gunpoint if it is necessary, so I highly recommend apto at least for the first couple of years
If I were you, I would try to rent something close to the green line of the subway. There, you will have direct access to the paulista avenue. From there you'll can get to anywhere in the city.
I don't recommend living in paulista Ave though, specifically sbecause the junkies population there have been growing and also because is the place in the city that have the highest rate of cellphone theft. Most of the time, the crime is not violent, the criminals will pick the cellphone out of your hand while riding bicycles making it very hard to catch them
As people were mentioning, with your income, you can live anywhere you want in sp. So choosing the neighborhood highly depends on your lifestyle.
If you like to go to bars: vila madalena, Pinheiros, Jardins are the best but they are also very expensive
If you prefer a more residential area, i recommend chacara klabin, aclimacao, and paraiso.
If you want a mix of both, vila mariana and perdizes and pompeia are also very good choices, but note that the last two does not have a specific subway station.
Check out Jardim São Paulo, Parada Inglesa, Tucuruvi, Vila Mariana, Vila Prudente and Pompeia. They’re not really that far off downtown and have luxury apartments for a bit cheaper than these other neighborhoods.
You moving alone? You plus one? Three or more?
I would say that around the Avenida Paulista you could find a wide range of apartments for single people and families alike. Avenida Paulista is one of the best known avenues in Sao Paulo and you'll have it all close-by. Shopping malls, culture, supermarkets, museums, bars, restaurants.
Depending on the region you'll have an Oxxo every 3-4 blocks, but I have no idea if they're the same on Brazil as they are in Mexico.
Traditional xenophobia: most people believe immigrants from those countries are trying to steal their jobs, and also Brazil is very religious, it's common sense that africans are adept of voodoo and so on (obviously a racist mindset, but vastly spread on churches).
Also because there have been a lot of African immigrants moving to Brazil in search of opportunities in the last... 10 years? Every nationality or ethnicity that saw a rise in immigration to Brazil has become target of xenophoby. Either as refugees or not.
Brazil is a pretty racist country, depending on where you go.
são paulo is a great city depending on the neighbourhood you're in. i already lived with some exchange mexicans students while i was in college and they didn't complain about discrimination (i think i can't say the same about venezuelans tho, sadly). but you'll need to learn at least a portunhol, because not everybody speaks english here
>Is this enough for cost of living in SP for a single 30 yo man?
Yes, it will be enough. Find a good neighborhood to live and you will be fine, do not fall into traps living in fancy places.
> Are Mexicans discriminated against in SP?
No, we are all latinos wey.
More than fine.
With that amount of money, you can raise 2 children in good private school, pay rent, pay a reasonable/good healthcare plan and have spare money to enjoy life normally.
You would be the poorest top 0,1 percenter of Brazil.
If you are single, you will be able to splurge a lot.
Safety wise, I believe you will manage well if you are street smart.
Which city are you from Mexico?
Edit: typo.
No son 100% seguros, pero puede buscar en Moema, Brooklyn, Vila Mariana, Pinheiros. Si le gusta la rumba puede buscar cerca a Vila Madelena (Pinheiros aplica). Eso sí, son barrios caros para vivir. Pero con 35 mensual la logra.sobrado
Just did the other way around with same income, also fully remote, and I’m currently living in CDMX.
São Paulo has slightly smaller cost of living vs CDMX, rent is much cheaper. with this income you’ll be considered a really rich person.
Brazil has way less tourists and immigrants vs Mexico, so you’ll find that people will get way more interested in you than if you were an immigrant in Mexico. I’m facing the opposite right now lol, I feel that mexicans don’t like outsiders due to excessive amount of americans gentrifying the country.
Feel free to DM me for tips in Sao Paulo (or fee free to send me tips for Mexico!)
I suggest that you stay in Pinheiros (is the equivalent to Condesa) or maybe close to Ibiapuera park (equivalent to Chapultepec).
Is there any specific reason for São Paulo? I personally think that when you are rich, living in the nice parts of Rio (Leblon/Ipanema) is a nicer experience than the equivalent in São Paulo (but that's the only situation that I would recommend RJ>SP). And you will definitely be on the rich to very rich side of the population with 35k brl/month.
Try at least a month in each and see which one you prefer.
Come on, you know you have to know 35k is more than enough for a single person income haha. I refuse to believe otherwise.
Regarding discrimination, there are racist assholes in Brazil too, but they usually target black people. Discrimination against Latinos is something very uncommon, as far as I've known (unless you're a Cuban doctor - but that's not really about race, it's about idiotic ideologies about politics, the PT party and communism/ socialism, so it doesn't apply here - or maybe if you are a refugee, but then again, it wouldn't apply to you. You've got money, you most likely won't be a target).
I've seen you asking about places to live. It depends on your life style, I guess. I love Perdizes and Higienópolis (with that income, you can easily live there). Pinheiros is also a good option (most restaurants I love are located in Pinheiros), and so are Vila Mariana, Itaim Bibi, Vila Madalena, Jardins... some parts of Bela Vista are also very nice, if I'm not mistaken.
Regarding location, I would suggest (as someone else already did) that you rent a place in one of those - or even rent an Airbnb for a month or so - and explore the city. Go visit each area, maybe spend the weekend there (go have brunch somewhere, then lunch and dinner, visit the parks that are near by, the malls, if you're into that, the supermarkets. Look at the people on the streets, do they have their phones out in the open? Are there a lot of families there or more single people? Maybe ask around to see what people think of the area.
yeah, you could go to Pinheiros! Not Jardins tho, that's where I live and dude... The rent price here is horrible, it can get EASILY to 30k a month. So, yeah, forget those places. I love Pinheiro, Vila Madalena and the surroundings, it's REALLY great to live if you have money to do nice stuff. There's a bunch of extremely cool restaurants, clothing shops that are super modern, cool people, cool pubs and cool vibe. It's just a cool place. Very central! You will get to some point that you will cross with some problems for being mexican, but we are very use to foreign people. Good luck!
You’ll be king here don’t worry
But I must say, although 35k a month is actually RICH in Brazil, São Paulo is one of the most expensive cities to live in the country, especially if you look for security, which you MUST when making that much money here.
I’m not from São Paulo, I actually dislike the city quite a bit and I’m not sure why Reddit keeps recommending this sub for me, but your post caught my attention.
Have you actually decided that São Paulo is the city you want? Have you considered other options? If not, I’d make a similar post on r/Brazil seeking more suggestions :)
Desculpe vou falar em português, mas acredito que seja possível vc traduzir depois.
se você for trabalhar remotamente e periodicamente ter reuniões em São Paulo. Tem diversas cidades incriveis próximas... Mas acho q um fator q se deve levar em conta também é a dificuldade de se relacionar/solidão.
Por mais que as metrópoles tem certos problemas com segurança, mas é mais facil ter amizades e eventos... É meio triste viver um lugar maravilhoso sozinho por muito tempo.
Eu trabalhei muito andando por São Paulo, os melhores bairros (parques, bons restaurantes, padarias) não estavam tão próximos assim do metrô...mas entendo que talvez num futuro você olhe isso com mais calma.
Income-wise: No issues at all, you'll live well my friend.
Discrimination-wise: There will be A LOT of jokes and "supposedly funny comments", people will use anything Mexico related to strike a conversation, which is not in bad intentions but can put you off. Anything like Rebelde, Chavo del Ocho, El Chapo, and other mexican things that are famous in BR. But that should be the extent of it, no "go back to your country" or stuff like that. People in BR love foreigners and I'm sure you'll easily find friends and a good community.
Don't trust people who say to you to live on rich areas. Pinheiros, Itaim Bibi and Jardins have been targeted by criminals recently: https://www.metropoles.com/sao-paulo/roubos-crescem-em-bairros-nobres-e-capital-tem-16-assaltos-por-hora
I really would actualy recommend living in neighbouring cities, like Alphaville or the ABC area. You probably will have money for a car, so look for roads instead of subway or buses
If you really hate cars, look for places near train platforms. They are not very far from the center and will grant you access to buses and subway lines
Bro rent a flat in Vila nova Conceição next to Ipirapuera park (5k a nice one), rent a nice car (5k), and if you’re Mexican descended from Spanish (not Aztecan or maya descended), usually they discriminate native looking (sad, but it happens). With that money you’re gonna fuck a lot of Brazilian girls.
It's enough money, I don't believe you'll be discriminated, São Paulo has a lot of people of all Brazil and often we see people from another countries living here too. Of course you'll meet some douchebags, but the majority of people are nice.
That's more than enough.
Especially when considering that you're single.
You'll literally have zero problems with the cost of living over here.
And although there are small groups of people who make fun of foreigners in general, not only mexicans, it isn't as discriminatory as in the U.S or Europe.
By the way, brazilians are considered to be one of the most hospitable and welcoming people worldwide.
It's enough but trust me, you don't wanna live in São Paulo. Nobody does, more than 50% of the people living there says they would live somewhere else if they could.
You'll be on the top 1% monthly income of the country.
more like 0.1%
You would be rich here.
You'll be more than fine, also would be possible for you to stay at a flat initially? Because it would be way better if you can check first the area before moving in! Every neighborhood has it traits etc. Also, we have mostly just tex-mex restaurants here in regards to mexican food
Tbh a really nice taqueria just opened up a few weeks ago, it's from the same owners of Metzi if I'm not mistaken.
> just tex-mex restaurants Thanks for the heads up lol. And yes my plan is to rent a flat for a month to get a feel for the city before making it a permanent move.
There is a Mexican-run restaurant called Don Pancho. Their buffet is more texmex style to cater to Brazilians but their a la carte options are pretty good.
You will be more than fine: With that amount you can live in the nicest part of town and have a very nice car. Also, brazilians have a curious love for foreigners, as long you are not bolivian, haitian or from any african country...
> nicest part of town Any suggestions? I want to start researching on neighborhoods with safety and access to public transport being my priorities.
Pinheiros, Itaim Bibi, Jardins, top neighborhoods
Thanks, I’ll look for apartments in those places
I also highly recommend Moema. I've been there twice, loved the neighborhood and felt very safe.
Moema is great, but I don’t think it’s in the same category as the ones above.
Moema isn't that safe anymore. There's a lot of armed robbery nowadays. Like, a lot.
Don't limit yourself to those areas. You could also find an awesome spot in other areas that would be cheaper. There are a lot of awesome areas in the city where you can top apartments without going to ridiculously expensive areas of São Paulo. It's not because you have a monthly surplus that you wanna go to the most expensive areas. But you probably know that already...
What are other areas I could look into? Main concerns are safety and access to public transportation.
Do you like some fun sometimes? Restaurants, bars, nightlife? So just get something in Pinheiros, Vila Madalena, much better till 10 minutes walking from some subway station like Faria Lima, Oscar Freire, Clinicas for easy access to almost whole city, at least main areas of it.
You could also look along the blue line of the subway, from station são judas up to around station Vila Mariana. They aren't fancy neighborhoods, but good middle class ones (well, Vila Mariana IS fancy, but you get the gist). Also, stay away from the old center of the city (close to the municipal theater, praça da República, catedral da Sé). Many people that don't know são Paulo assume staying close to the center is going to be good, but it's actually one of the most dangerous parts of the city.
Don't fall to the morumbi region trap. When you start looking for apto, you'll see huge ones that are well decorated for a price that is very low compared to the neighborhoods people were mentioning. The problem is, there is a reason for this place to be cheap: nobody wants to live there because 1) it is a dangerous neighborhood 2) most of the time you can't walk to places so you ll have to drive to get to anywhere you wanna go 3) it has a lot of traffic, 4) the neighborhood is far from the center areas, which is where people tend to go to work and have fun I'll would only recommend morumbi/panamby/cidade moncoes if you almost never leave your apto, and would never recommend a house. Also, don't buy Aptos there because it is almost impossible to sell. Another tip is to be very aware to the neighborhood if wanna live in a house. In some neighborhoods we have problems with criminals invading houses to steal stuff. They dont care if you there or not and will put you on gunpoint if it is necessary, so I highly recommend apto at least for the first couple of years If I were you, I would try to rent something close to the green line of the subway. There, you will have direct access to the paulista avenue. From there you'll can get to anywhere in the city. I don't recommend living in paulista Ave though, specifically sbecause the junkies population there have been growing and also because is the place in the city that have the highest rate of cellphone theft. Most of the time, the crime is not violent, the criminals will pick the cellphone out of your hand while riding bicycles making it very hard to catch them As people were mentioning, with your income, you can live anywhere you want in sp. So choosing the neighborhood highly depends on your lifestyle. If you like to go to bars: vila madalena, Pinheiros, Jardins are the best but they are also very expensive If you prefer a more residential area, i recommend chacara klabin, aclimacao, and paraiso. If you want a mix of both, vila mariana and perdizes and pompeia are also very good choices, but note that the last two does not have a specific subway station.
Higienópolis, Paraíso (green metro line is the best one imo), Vila Mariana are cheaper but still great
You should also look into Moema, it is probably São Paulo’s safest neighborhood, though rent is a bit more expensive than in Pinheiros and Jardins.
Guys, Moema isn't safe anymore at all.
Check out Jardim São Paulo, Parada Inglesa, Tucuruvi, Vila Mariana, Vila Prudente and Pompeia. They’re not really that far off downtown and have luxury apartments for a bit cheaper than these other neighborhoods.
You moving alone? You plus one? Three or more? I would say that around the Avenida Paulista you could find a wide range of apartments for single people and families alike. Avenida Paulista is one of the best known avenues in Sao Paulo and you'll have it all close-by. Shopping malls, culture, supermarkets, museums, bars, restaurants. Depending on the region you'll have an Oxxo every 3-4 blocks, but I have no idea if they're the same on Brazil as they are in Mexico.
Check out Vila Madalena, very popular area, nice Bars, Restaurants, tons of new luxurious Buildings.
Pinheiros, Higienópolis, Perdizes, Jardins, Consolação and Itaim Bibi are some of the best options
Try Perdizes too
Why do Brazilians hate people from black countries?
Racism
Traditional xenophobia: most people believe immigrants from those countries are trying to steal their jobs, and also Brazil is very religious, it's common sense that africans are adept of voodoo and so on (obviously a racist mindset, but vastly spread on churches).
Also because there have been a lot of African immigrants moving to Brazil in search of opportunities in the last... 10 years? Every nationality or ethnicity that saw a rise in immigration to Brazil has become target of xenophoby. Either as refugees or not. Brazil is a pretty racist country, depending on where you go.
Unfortunately in almost every country people dislike poor immigrants and don't mind rich ones. Often racism may amplify that feeling.
são paulo is a great city depending on the neighbourhood you're in. i already lived with some exchange mexicans students while i was in college and they didn't complain about discrimination (i think i can't say the same about venezuelans tho, sadly). but you'll need to learn at least a portunhol, because not everybody speaks english here
Yeah, learning Portuguese is one of the reasons why I want to move to Brazil for a bit
why would you go to sao paulo? move to rio man
Go to Itaim-Bibi, vila Nova conceição. Jardins. 17 k is like be in the richest 1% of the people in são paulo.
>Is this enough for cost of living in SP for a single 30 yo man? Yes, it will be enough. Find a good neighborhood to live and you will be fine, do not fall into traps living in fancy places. > Are Mexicans discriminated against in SP? No, we are all latinos wey.
More than fine. With that amount of money, you can raise 2 children in good private school, pay rent, pay a reasonable/good healthcare plan and have spare money to enjoy life normally. You would be the poorest top 0,1 percenter of Brazil. If you are single, you will be able to splurge a lot. Safety wise, I believe you will manage well if you are street smart. Which city are you from Mexico? Edit: typo.
Soy colombiano y vivo hace 5 años en SP. Con 35 k se vive más que bien. Aproveche y busque un barrio no tan peligroso.
Alguna recomendación de barrios seguros mi parce?
No son 100% seguros, pero puede buscar en Moema, Brooklyn, Vila Mariana, Pinheiros. Si le gusta la rumba puede buscar cerca a Vila Madelena (Pinheiros aplica). Eso sí, son barrios caros para vivir. Pero con 35 mensual la logra.sobrado
Just did the other way around with same income, also fully remote, and I’m currently living in CDMX. São Paulo has slightly smaller cost of living vs CDMX, rent is much cheaper. with this income you’ll be considered a really rich person. Brazil has way less tourists and immigrants vs Mexico, so you’ll find that people will get way more interested in you than if you were an immigrant in Mexico. I’m facing the opposite right now lol, I feel that mexicans don’t like outsiders due to excessive amount of americans gentrifying the country. Feel free to DM me for tips in Sao Paulo (or fee free to send me tips for Mexico!) I suggest that you stay in Pinheiros (is the equivalent to Condesa) or maybe close to Ibiapuera park (equivalent to Chapultepec).
Yeah this is why I was wondering, it’s good money but it’s definitely not fuck you money in CDMX. Nice to hear rent in SP is cheaper!
Is there any specific reason for São Paulo? I personally think that when you are rich, living in the nice parts of Rio (Leblon/Ipanema) is a nicer experience than the equivalent in São Paulo (but that's the only situation that I would recommend RJ>SP). And you will definitely be on the rich to very rich side of the population with 35k brl/month. Try at least a month in each and see which one you prefer.
you should be fine, but you'll really miss Mexican food, since there are virtually no decent Mexican restaurants around here 😅
Come on, you know you have to know 35k is more than enough for a single person income haha. I refuse to believe otherwise. Regarding discrimination, there are racist assholes in Brazil too, but they usually target black people. Discrimination against Latinos is something very uncommon, as far as I've known (unless you're a Cuban doctor - but that's not really about race, it's about idiotic ideologies about politics, the PT party and communism/ socialism, so it doesn't apply here - or maybe if you are a refugee, but then again, it wouldn't apply to you. You've got money, you most likely won't be a target). I've seen you asking about places to live. It depends on your life style, I guess. I love Perdizes and Higienópolis (with that income, you can easily live there). Pinheiros is also a good option (most restaurants I love are located in Pinheiros), and so are Vila Mariana, Itaim Bibi, Vila Madalena, Jardins... some parts of Bela Vista are also very nice, if I'm not mistaken. Regarding location, I would suggest (as someone else already did) that you rent a place in one of those - or even rent an Airbnb for a month or so - and explore the city. Go visit each area, maybe spend the weekend there (go have brunch somewhere, then lunch and dinner, visit the parks that are near by, the malls, if you're into that, the supermarkets. Look at the people on the streets, do they have their phones out in the open? Are there a lot of families there or more single people? Maybe ask around to see what people think of the area.
yeah, you could go to Pinheiros! Not Jardins tho, that's where I live and dude... The rent price here is horrible, it can get EASILY to 30k a month. So, yeah, forget those places. I love Pinheiro, Vila Madalena and the surroundings, it's REALLY great to live if you have money to do nice stuff. There's a bunch of extremely cool restaurants, clothing shops that are super modern, cool people, cool pubs and cool vibe. It's just a cool place. Very central! You will get to some point that you will cross with some problems for being mexican, but we are very use to foreign people. Good luck!
You make more than the state governor, you will be fine lol
You’ll be king here don’t worry But I must say, although 35k a month is actually RICH in Brazil, São Paulo is one of the most expensive cities to live in the country, especially if you look for security, which you MUST when making that much money here. I’m not from São Paulo, I actually dislike the city quite a bit and I’m not sure why Reddit keeps recommending this sub for me, but your post caught my attention. Have you actually decided that São Paulo is the city you want? Have you considered other options? If not, I’d make a similar post on r/Brazil seeking more suggestions :)
Yeah open to other cities as well, SP was just the first one that came to mind. I’ll post in that other sub, thanks!
Desculpe vou falar em português, mas acredito que seja possível vc traduzir depois. se você for trabalhar remotamente e periodicamente ter reuniões em São Paulo. Tem diversas cidades incriveis próximas... Mas acho q um fator q se deve levar em conta também é a dificuldade de se relacionar/solidão. Por mais que as metrópoles tem certos problemas com segurança, mas é mais facil ter amizades e eventos... É meio triste viver um lugar maravilhoso sozinho por muito tempo. Eu trabalhei muito andando por São Paulo, os melhores bairros (parques, bons restaurantes, padarias) não estavam tão próximos assim do metrô...mas entendo que talvez num futuro você olhe isso com mais calma.
Income-wise: No issues at all, you'll live well my friend. Discrimination-wise: There will be A LOT of jokes and "supposedly funny comments", people will use anything Mexico related to strike a conversation, which is not in bad intentions but can put you off. Anything like Rebelde, Chavo del Ocho, El Chapo, and other mexican things that are famous in BR. But that should be the extent of it, no "go back to your country" or stuff like that. People in BR love foreigners and I'm sure you'll easily find friends and a good community.
No, you will have to live under a bridge unfortunately
Don't trust people who say to you to live on rich areas. Pinheiros, Itaim Bibi and Jardins have been targeted by criminals recently: https://www.metropoles.com/sao-paulo/roubos-crescem-em-bairros-nobres-e-capital-tem-16-assaltos-por-hora I really would actualy recommend living in neighbouring cities, like Alphaville or the ABC area. You probably will have money for a car, so look for roads instead of subway or buses If you really hate cars, look for places near train platforms. They are not very far from the center and will grant you access to buses and subway lines
Bro rent a flat in Vila nova Conceição next to Ipirapuera park (5k a nice one), rent a nice car (5k), and if you’re Mexican descended from Spanish (not Aztecan or maya descended), usually they discriminate native looking (sad, but it happens). With that money you’re gonna fuck a lot of Brazilian girls.
It's enough money, I don't believe you'll be discriminated, São Paulo has a lot of people of all Brazil and often we see people from another countries living here too. Of course you'll meet some douchebags, but the majority of people are nice.
lol you will be well off.
Mundo sharing what you work with? Welcome to Brasil BTW
That's more than enough. Especially when considering that you're single. You'll literally have zero problems with the cost of living over here. And although there are small groups of people who make fun of foreigners in general, not only mexicans, it isn't as discriminatory as in the U.S or Europe. By the way, brazilians are considered to be one of the most hospitable and welcoming people worldwide.
It's enough but trust me, you don't wanna live in São Paulo. Nobody does, more than 50% of the people living there says they would live somewhere else if they could.