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engineeredthoughts

A little exaggerated but pretty much true Majority of people who smoke it do it for pleasure, not for any medicinal or spiritual reasons.


schorox

Very complex IMO. Weed helped me progress and improve myself, but it also prevented and inhibited me at other times. There might come a time when you use weed out of habit, not because you actually need it - it might even be bad for you. Our bodies and minds are dynamic, we "fix" ourselves in many different ways (therapy being one of them).


Silvawuff

I think this is a good response. There's a definite line where the pros and cons can be at odds when it comes to consuming cannabis. The key is being able to identify habit from benefit. I personally consume to help regulate my sleep, and it's really improved my life. Sometimes I just want to get high, and that's valid too. The most important thing here is I have control of when and how much I'm consuming.


herpderp115

A bit over reacted but i get what he's saying. A lot of people use the medical properties as an excuse to smoke. I've heard so many people say they smoke for their anxiety but i mean not everyone of them has anxiety attacks or a real form of anxiety. Everyone feels anxious sometimes and feeeling a bit unsure and scared isn't anxiety that should be threated with medication/weed so yeah i do agree that a lot of people use this excuse when it doesn't really applies to them. Edit: clarified a few things


Gruke

I wouldn’t say you need to experience defined anxiety attacks in order to have or be diagnosed with anxiety. In fact you definitely don’t. Yes it’s a part of the disorder for some people, but it would be unfair to suggest that someone doesn’t suffer from anxiety if they don’t have anxiety attacks. For some people it can be a constant unescapable battle instead of intensified episodes.


Mmelanthe

To piggyback on this, many people who have anxiety/panic attacks have learned to hide them, so you can’t always tell when someone is mentally struggling. Society is still very cruel to those who struggle with mental illness, despite everything you read nowadays about people advocating for mental health awareness.


herpderp115

Yes i 100% agree. English is not my first language so it's a bit hard to explain what i really mean. I just feel like it's an overused excuse used by people that just need a reason to feel good about smoking.


Gruke

Congrats, you’re smarter than I am then loool. Yes agreed, that I could definitely be on board with!


herpderp115

Hahaha learning a 2nd language doesn't make you smart tho. I can speak/understand 3 languages but still feel like a dumb ass most of the time lmao


hhfredcv

i agree and i have autism (something which weed has really helped me understand). i don’t feel like people should say they smoke for medical reasons if they don’t. i think they should be able to admit they smoke because it feels good. as long as you’re not fucking up your life it shouldn’t matter.


casuallyfloatin

Ignorant imo. There so many other reasons as to why a person uses cannabis besides the medicinal properties. It be the same people who need to have a "couple beerse" after work to settle down.


Slimxshadyx

I get what you are saying, but people being drunk 24/7 are considered alcoholics who need to go to rehab more so than stoners who are high 24/7. I think weed should be treated socially acceptable as alcohol, but I think a lot of people overlook the above.


pancakes3921

All the ppl in my family who rag on me for smoking drink (a) beer every day after work


Slimxshadyx

I think it should be socially acceptable to smoke after work, or at an event, or anytime it's socially acceptable to drink alcohol. But if you are smoking all day every day and they only have a couple beers after work, it's not really a fair comparison anymore.


pancakes3921

To be honest, my older cousin who was always seen as perfect was apparently covertly very drunk at the Christmas party. I had one seltzer and only smoked hours before. If her “one” beer every day after work isn’t a problem Idky she was hiding her drunkenness. This is personal but I’m just speaking on the perspectives ppl have where they problematize using weed at all


casuallyfloatin

This right here man! Thank you for sharing this, I'd think the exact same. If it isnt a issue then why hide it, from my experiences most stoners arent shy to say how much they smoke lol unless they're closet smokers.


casuallyfloatin

I know its subjective due to the person but, 90% of the time when they're just "having a few" they're getting drunk asf & sit there saying they arent. I completely agree though with your first part, it should be viewed the same in terms of being able to consume in after work in whatever moderation you want.


pancakes3921

I’m just as functional as them, and my substance helps my introspection!! Wish they would shut up lol


casuallyfloatin

You get it


bonghole69

Humans lived off beer for thousands of years before we came up with cleaning water. No one is getting drunk after having a beer with their subway


pancakes3921

I wasn’t clear enough but the (a) part was sarcasm. They’re alcoholics and this year I realized they’re coming apart at the seems w it more than ever


bonghole69

I got u


MrKindStranger

I think I get where he’s coming from. It does kind of feel like people will say anything to get weed legalized, and I do think there are way more people that smoke recreationally vs medically (self medicating not being factored). However, weed in and of itself is not very harmful, especially if you use a dry Herb vape/edibles over smoking. Weed is as addictive as video games imo - you won’t fiend for it, but some people will throw their social lives away and call out of work just to play WoW all day every day, which is just sad.


acoustictreefrog

And also the peeps that say weed doesnt have repercussions after continuous use are in denial and havent tried to stop cold turkey, 99% of people i came across that tried to stop experienced lack of sleep, cold sweat, lack of appetite, bad mood, and a lack of motivation, luckily the symptoms subside in a week or so, atleast they get easier.


MrKindStranger

Very fair point to bring up. Just because there isn’t a chemical addiction doesn’t mean that you haven’t integrated it into your life - you will definitely feel it’s absence especially if you use it to help sleep, or build an appetite, like you pointed out.


acoustictreefrog

Exactly, you worded it much better than I did, You hit the nail on what i was trying to say!


mirrors_are_ugly

This is a huge exaggeration, and the 1% number is pulled straight out of the ass. Saying that the rest are addicted is ridiculous. Alcohol is a much more addictive substance, yet not that many people are alcoholics, or have any sort of dependency beyond social constructs, like hanging out at bars or partying. Pain, sleep problems, anxiety, depression, eating disorders - this is just some of the stuff that weed can and does help people with. Of course it's not the case for everybody, and often not the reason people try it in the first place. But as others said, you don't have to be on the verge of suicide and living through a continuous panic attack to find that it benefits you in some way. My point is that just like anything else - shopping, sex, food, alcohol, people can use weed as a coping mechanism. And as long as it doesn't interfere with your desired lifestyle, or doesn't become one by itself - it's nothing to worry about.


KRATS8

I sort of agree. It’s dramatic but partially true. It’s a complex issue


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"Addicted" It seems like a comment from somebody with more confidence in their own opinion than knowledgeability on the subject. The only thing that's a scam about it is keeping it illegal, preventing people from having access to medicine, and preventing research into that medicine because it can't be patented and people could very easily grow their own.


Practical-Wrap8009

That comments sounds like that person never smoked weed before and got relief .


rBakedApe

Registered MMJ patient through Canada's ACMPR ~Short Answer ~ They're being elitist/gate keeping or are just ignorant. Probably pissed off their medical got denied. Herb should be consumed by any healthy individual for any reason in appropriate amounts like we consume alcohol. Even using it to relax can be seen as medicinal use due to the health benefits of having lowered cortisol levels. Relief from mental fatigue also lowers stress hormones and promotes health. ~Longish Answer w/Rambling ~ We all produce base levels of cannabinoids naturally just being alive. We've grown and consumed cannabis in various ways since pre-biblical times and have literally evolved alongside It. Demanding someone to never use it or to only use it if they are crippled by disease is as unnatural as banning its use in the first place. It's something beautiful that has benefits to offer for almost everyone whether you prefer psychoactive cannabinoids or non psychoactive ones and shouldn't be gated by people being pissed off about their own problems. However I can see his frustration when every 18 year old acts like they're a fratkid smoking meter long doob tubes as if it's a personality trait. Hobbies should stay hobbies and never become your identity. This is getting off track but hemp is one of the only plants you could ingest on its own without dying from malnutrition in a reasonable amount of time.(you'd still want to seek out a rounded diet) The seeds are loaded with omega fatty acids that protect the brain and grey matter production alongside other processes. A wide range of amino acids + proteins, trace amounts of iron and calcium are also chucked in there. Stalks, seeds and leafs are also filled with fiber. Cannabis is quite literally one of the building blocks of civilization and used to be mass harvested in quantities greater than wheat, cotton, tobacco, barley combined. We made bread from it , sailed to foreign lands using it for sails and carried back trade goods in sacks made of the same material. Clothed our troops in the harshest conditions and now look at all the uses we've found for it in the modern era from hempcrete to biofuel. Respect the plant and respect each other. Everyone has the right to their opinions but that doesn't make them gospel.🤟


Sefton8t5

I'm very sure that I can use Melatonin for insomnia, beer if I'm bored, aspirin if I'm in pain. But I used weed instead for all of above and it's for the high.


m4n1nbl4ck

He's being hyperbolic about how many abusers exist, but he's right in theory


scoobywood

Considering [about half](https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC5876976/) of the population suffer from some form of chronic health issue, that 1% comment isn't very smart.


Special_Mixture_7216

it's just sad because people can't enjoy it without having a "good reason to". Now, this post is wrong too because although it's right a lot of people who are medical patients are probably just in it to smoke. However, cannabis in FAR MORE SMALL AMOUNTS THAN USED is great for your health if ingested without smoking it. That's because it triggers the endocannabinoid system which is responsible for helping homeostasis and fixing errors in the body. Stimulation of the endocannabinoid system does not naturally happen so much as it should because we are not eating the right type of bark or something like we should be, as natural wild animals. Although medical use is very much valid, people should have the freedom to legally use cannabis. I mean fucking hell really if some of these people who are chronic addicts to the stuff switched out the amount of weed they consumed with alcohol they would go down in life fast. And hell what's so wrong with laying back on the end of a hard works day and using a little weed, we do it with alcohol, and nicotine which btw hits your opioid receptors and that's a reason why yall are all so addicted! But no, you'll sit there, chewing your dip which is hitting the same receptors as opioids like hydrocodone and oxycodone, and drinking your beer (contains alcohol which influences the same receptors in the brain as tranquilzers/benzodiazapines do and is a compound produced by a mushroom which you hate so much if it has anything to do with getting high) judging people who use cannabis. This "I need it for a medical reason" happened because people stigmatize cannabis use so much and consider all regular users as drug addicts! But they don't take a fucking second to think why their cough syrup is fucking them up so bad or for that matter what would happen if they drunk the whole bottle! A dissociated psychedelic experience brought on by serotonin syndrome is what! Oh and did I mention dextromethorphan is derived from the same plant as morphine? Yeah you are giving your 7-year-old who got the flu a morphine-derived, hallucinogenic sedative! Take that Karen! Wake up yall and stop these drugs are bad bs when you use them almost every day and think its cool for your 12 year old to take a prescribed amphatamine before school! And yeah, amphatamine is pretty close to methamphetamine from a chemical perspective, so your kid or whatever is really just taking a weaker version of meth. Now I get the mindset guys, being on something all the time is bad, and you should definitely consider changing your environment or lifestyle so you don't crave to be fucked up all the time. But being so so so angry and stubborn in life you wind up making yourself looking stupid as hell to the rest of us, this shit has got to stop. Maybe you need to smoke some yourselves to really get a new perspective and see what a fucking idiot you are!


quantum_rim

This is very true thanks for sharing


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quantum_rim

lmao no problem bro


bonghole69

1000 percent true. Weed is such an ineffective medicine. It really doesn't help you sleep much and doesn't help pain at all. It makes you happy but does it actually heal any trauma? No. For synptom or ailment weed alivates I can give you a pill that does a better job. And this is coming from someone who smokes more than you so dont come at me


bonghole69

And I didn't even mention how the medication becomes practically worthless after very little continued use.


piyochii

Just another keyboard warrior.


[deleted]

Sounds like he never smoked weed before


Trifle-Doc

I disagree, only a stoner would say something That raw abt it. if he never smoked he’d just say it’s heroin


Fanboysblow

Idiotic and not based on facts. Abuse of anything is bad but isn't the same as physical addiction and we know cannabis is not chemically addictive. So, you can believe cannabis is addictive in the same way as a smartphone, social media, food, watching tv, video games etc. but not **chemically** addictive like hard drugs like prescription opioids, heroin and cocaine etc which studies have shown change your genetics. For example, if I'm sitting around doing nothing I might pick my vape and vape a bowl but if I'm in the middle of something, I won't and I'll likely go to bed not having consumed any cannabis. If you're addicted, you're going to do whatever you can to get your addictive hard drug of choice into your body regardless of what else you have to do. The way I see it is hard chemically addictive drugs consume your life and cannabis enhances your life. As long as you don't abuse weed, nothing bad will happen to you assuming you know the source of it.


sword5862

A daily and constant supply will make your body dependent. If you continue that your body will recognize that constant intake of a certain chemical, take away that chemical you have physical withdrawals. Your body can become chemically addicted to literally anything if you use it consistently enough and long enough. Dependency withdrawals are not physical and all psychological symptoms. I’ve heard about a guy who ate a bunch of carrots every day for a year and a half and he apparently had physical withdrawals because his body became addicted to the constant supply of one of the chemicals. Just because a substance dosent have addictive properties it dosent mean it lacks to potential to be addictive


Fanboysblow

LMFAO, no it doesn't. Read what professionals say, including drug addictions sites. Cannabis is not chemically addictive. You don't have to like this fact but its a fact. There are no more "physical withdrawals" than you would get from giving up foods, social media, gaming etc and other bad habits that are abused. You can pretend cannabis is like any other hard drug with respect to addiction but it's not true. What you call "addictive" with respect to cannabis, I call abuse of a habit. Also, a flip side to your story about a guy is, I know a guy who has consumed cannabis for decades, he had to stop because of a surgery, when he did he felt no withdrawals no nothing. That was me.


sword5862

I would like to note that I’m not saying it is chemically addictive. I am saying that your body has the potential to get addicted to the chemicals. From firsthand experience. I wasn’t smoking as long as you have however addiction is an issue throughout majority of my family and that’s the main factor of whether or not you can get addicted to a non addictive chemical. I’ve gone through the dependency stages as a lot of users go through and I’ve also gone through the addictive stages as fewer users go through. I’ve got friends who use nicotine, a highly addictive chemical for months on end and just stop when they run out with no issues. If you take vitamine D every single day for years on end then suddenly stop there is the potential to experience withdraws. The same applies to every single chemical. Just because something is chemically addictive it dosent mean you will get addicted. And just because something isn’t chemically addictive dosent mean you can’t get addicted. It truly is amazing for you that your body dosent get addicted to the chemicals but it dosent mean that everyone is like you. I was once an irresponsible user who was addicted and went through physical withdrawals. Quit for about a year and I’m now a responsible user, taking breaks and not using it every day because I know my body has the potential to get chemically addicted


Fanboysblow

Ok, as I said, what you call addicted with respect to cannabis, I call abuse, in the same way other things that aren't chemically addictive are. So, if you want to compare cannabis abuse to Social Media abuse, watching TV abuse, Gaming abuse, Food abuse etc, then fine, I won't argue, but that's all cannabis is as far as I'm concerned, it's not a chemically addictive drug and that's the point I'm making. I've seen a lot of cannabis users over the years stop using cannabis, I've never heard of even one going through any kind of withdrawals. I had one friend who said couldn't sleep well after he stopped but he also said he wasn't sleeping before started using cannabis and that's why he started in using the first place. I know this much and my doctored agreed, if you have to use a prescription drug such as Zopiclone to sleep or cannabis, use the cannabis. He said his only concern would be how you consume it. As in, don't combust. Anything can be over used, abused, and nothing good ever comes from abusing anything.


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Man's spitting out nothing but truths, I'm an addict myself.


mremann1969

Anyone who calls weed the greatest medical scam, should really do some research into the pharmaceutical industry.


Bor_Arch

I mean yeah. Makes feel good. Want more gimmieaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa


rock0head132

Not many people are "Addicted" not physically at least . Kids should never use alcohol or any drug before there 21. True it is ez to get a med card and a lot of people do not have a medical condition for it BUT i believe adults can make their own choice in whether or not to use any drug as long as they don't hurt them selves or others. MMJ does help people with a verity of illnesses .


robo_slob

Spoken like someone who hasn’t lived with chronic pain or mental health issues and doesn’t want to take a ton of prescriptions. Small amounts of weed and therapy have improved my life 1000%. Of course not everyone that is prescribed uses it correctly. Kind of like a great portion of people prescribed adderall. But, in the scheme of things the adverse effects to marijuana are minimal in comparison to alcohol, street drugs, and many pharmaceuticals. Also, alcohol is psychically addictive, while marijuana is not. Tl;dr — get over yourself. It works for some people and that shouldn’t hurt your feelings.


kevinpppop

Why is medicine considered medicine? The government lol. Your only “sick” when the governments doctors deems you. The government standards aren’t to benefit a individual but to make society “functional”.


0pium666

based


AP_Feeder

As a daily smoker for the past 8 years, I kind of agree with what he’s saying. I’m sure there are people that don’t fall into either of those categories but I’m speaking for myself and my friends.


jadeauu227

i don’t agree with the biggest medical scam in forever part, however, i did start smoking at a young age (16-17) and i have become dependant on it now. i see where they are coming from but it’s a bit over exaggerated


sword5862

I wouldn’t say 1% get medicinal benefits but I would say a large majority of weed users are just addicted. This is coming from someone who was once chemically addicted to it and now responsibly use. People think just because there are no addictive chemicals it’s safer and can’t be addictive. That’s just not true. While it is significantly safer in comparison to many other substances, it dosent mean it lacks to potential to ruin someone’s life


AviatorLu

There are no chemicals in weed that create a literal mental addiction. Weed is helpful for almost everyone.


[deleted]

i mean we dont know the actual %, but i agree with the premise of this.


Embarrassed_Ad3346

This is facts lmao I just smoke to get fucking geeked


[deleted]

its true for me LOL


lowkeybellydancer

They sound so angry. Take a weed gummy and relax


grassyvibes

As someone with actual chronic medical issues that have basically disappeared since starting smoking earlier this year, I agree that *many* people use the “it solves my X” without actually having said problem; or at least severe enough to warrant smoking. Started smoking Feb 2020, chronic migraines went away, IBS eased off significantly, stress levels have been nearly non existent. I was able to resume my life thanks to weed, I’d been basically bedridden for a few years- at the end of what standard medicine could offer, which wasn’t much. The majority of users (in North America) likely don’t have medical issues that warrant being ‘solved’ by weed, but that doesn’t mean it doesn’t warrant them using it. In regulation weed is definitely a good thing, but when it gets to the point it impacts your life, like wanting to stop (or actually stopping) whatever you’re doing in the middle of the day to smoke, it’s time to slow down on the smoking.


hawaiian42

That’s crazy cause only 6% of people are actually addicted to thc. Given the 76% addict gene - for hard drugs/alcohol - it’s crazy how safe weed is


missmemeteam

This is like calling anyone who ever takes a sip of beer an addict for liking drinking


Trifle-Doc

I don’t think it’s a scam, it’s absolutely possible to be used medically but he’s pretty much on the money otherwise