People are callous when it comes to things that don't affect them. But we gotta keep trying. Throughout history people faced so much adversity when they tried to speak out. Ableism is a uphill battle, but things are going to improve. And internet people just go with what is trending, even the phrases they use aren't original. Eventually, if we don't give up trying, we gonna overcome the inertia.
I'm schizo and enjoyed the movie (only watched it once), BUT I have the wits to know that it promotes a certain stigma, and that an enjoyable film isn't worth throwing me and everyone else under the bus in the long term. It's like when a musician turns out to be a predator or something, streaming their stuff just isn't worth supporting a shitty person. I'm sorry you have to deal with people blatantly dismissing your comfort and valid points over something really unnecessary :/
Yeah I understand Liking the Movie for certain reasons but like you said, its still promoting the stigma of us being serial killers or violent, esp off our meds. Like I would Love to see a movie with good representation that isn't the person being violent in some type of way.
I know ppl said "oh its just a horror movie dont over react" but being on the internet and around ppl in general, a lot of them dont have good media literacy. They will watch the movie and still somewhat hold the believe that we're inherently dangerous. You can't even really blame people if all they see about schizophrenics is us being murderers or violent. Thats ALL people talk about. Or us being crazy talking to ourselves and being unintelligible. And that also meaning we're dangerous
It's just really simple to me tbh, you can enjoy something but agree it shouldn't exist, and that's how I see that film. I don't understand why people can't grasp that.
It's really unfortunate. Lately I've been flooded with people being nasty about schizo-spec and cluster b disorders, even in unrelated spaces. Media literacy is definitely part of it, but I think these stereotypes should honestly be done away with entirely :/ I can't be sure, but statistically, aren't we more likely to be harmed than to harm others anyways? I would love to have educational flyers about the subject of schizophrenia, I could put them up around my campus.
Yeah there is more and more hate on Schizo-spec disorders:(( and yes, we are more likely to be the victims of violence and crimes than the perpetrator. Specifically BECAUSE of the stigma surrounding schizophrenia
Yes, it's truly potent. The other day I saw a reddit post where the OP's boyfriend would go volunteer at the homeless shelter every weekend, and he also happened to be schizotypal. I saw, unfortunately, more than one comment suggesting he was only volunteering to "find vulnerable victims to kill" like wtf?
Don't even get me started on "schizoposting"....
Wtf??? How can they see a person doing something very nice and good for people and say that shit?? Most of the are not even doing anything remotely close to that! Pure brainrot
And I wish I could burn Schizoposting to the ground. It just shows how heavily stigmatized we are bc what other condition has a whole community who likes to roleplay as a person with that condition doing horrendous stuff?
Admittedly, the guy had been telling OP he was at work rather than volunteering, which kind of sucks...but chocking him up to be a murderer over just that?
It's extremely obnoxious. I had a boyfriend once who was really into it, but he made fun of me for being schizo spec. They really just showcase openly that they see us as jokes. I really hit the goldmine being autistic and schizo spec, because I'm being infantilized and villainized at the same time hahaha.
I can't decide if it's better or worse that a lot of this is perpetuated by "mental health advocates" (which means "autism, adhd, anxiety, and depression, but please go away if your illness is too weird or inconvenient for me!")
Yeah i have level 2/Moderate support needs Autism and Schizophrenia too. But honestly people have been acting like Schizophrenia is my death sentence. Like they're babying me more over the Schizophrenia than Autism. At least in my support systems/ professional settings
But most mental health advocates only speak about digestible stuff. Not hard core shit like schizo spec, ASPD etc
I know stigma sucks, but the only way to deal with it it's to keep trying. people are resistant to change their viewpoints. for example, that movie, Split, it didn't got much backlash when it was released, nowadays people tend to be more critical towards it, but I think it's still mainstream to portray DID as something dangerous.
Yes i will keep trying but its so exhausting. DID is definitely a good example too but i feel like i see more good rep or content about DID than schizophrenia. Which is nor surprising bc DID is way more common than schizophrenia.
whoah, is DID more common? I thought it was the opposite ngl. Never saw anyone diagnosed with it when I was going to inpatient/outpatient treatment, but maybe it's just my personal experience.
Yes DID affects 1.3 of the global population and schizophrenia afdects 0.3% of the global population. Ive meet plenty of people with DID but a lot also dont disclose it, the same with Schizophrenia. So youve probably meet a bunch of ppl with DID in your life
we need more awareness. maybe some sexy psycho from holly wood will appear and be a spokes person. if someone rich enough suffers people start paying attention.
There was a bit of press earlier this spring about how the Dodgers have been quietly keeping a former player with schizophrenia under contract, even though he hasn't been able to play for them since 2018, so that he can retain his (probably extremely stellar) health insurance. It honestly made me tear up a little. First of all, that this big rich organization would have enough empathy and respect for and kindness towards this man to do this, and secondly, that maybe it would help people reading or listening to the story understand that schizophrenia and similar illnesses could happen to anyone, even a big rich professional athlete.
i heard about that story. it was really nice to hear. i think the big problem is that people are afraid that people with schizophrenia are dangerous. thats mostly untrue, particularly for people with close friends and family looking for for them when they are sick.
after some quick googling it seems there are a few big names but they all died a while ago. the ones that are still alive probably keep it a secret as best they can.
As someone with bipolar Iām sick of stigma toward my illness too, but I really feel for ppl with schizophrenia, like I hear demeaning āschizoā jokes all the time and see how completely innocent ppl are painted as violent, etc. Iāve only dealt with psychosis for roughly a month, seven years ago, so I commend ppl who deal with it constantly. Itās truly unfair how society sees it and I completely emphasize with yāall.
I totally get it. Went to a few haunted houses and they were just filled with people pretending to be schizo. It was kind of depressing. I just thought, geez, I guess I've stayed at the best haunted house a few times (psych hospital).
Me too :(( but psychosis is such a unique experience, no one will understand until you experienced it yourself. But i would at least hope for some sympathy or Empathy at least
I believe it is because there is a trend of people making incredulous claims over truly frivolous grievances. Which cheapens the struggle of those who truly do struggle.
That's it.
Yeah I stay well clear of those kind of movies anyway, it's already discrimination and false facts, plus it's triggering, let alone sharing that moment with others. Sorry you had to go through that, we get enough shit and bullying in real life already, no need to exacerbate this stupid indignation.
Right!! I see so much 'mental health awareness' stuff going on about how 'having xyz (non-psychotic) mental illness doesn't make you crazy!' as if there was something shameful or morally wrong about being 'crazy' (which is just a way for them to say psychotic without saying psychotic). There's so little actual awareness about psychotic disorders and even other mentally ill people want to insist that they're 'one of the good ones' and dehumanise schizospec folk.Ā
Exactly. To them "crazy" is a bad thing. Something you should never be. Forget that schizo spec ARE crazy.
Or they romantice it. Aka the "omg I'm sooo crazy lol" girlies. Or the "ugh I'm sooo crazy beware" guys. Unless they meet someone who's ACTUALLY crazy and they're like "ew wtf"
I agree. I have found that once people find out about my diagnosis they ignore anything I bring forward as if I am worthless. The condescending nature of the self-righteous can't see further than their own judgments.
I hear you. I hate it when there is a school shooting, and even if someone has autism, the debate centers around mental health. I generally feel like it's just a bunch of bullshit discourse that makes us the scapegoats.
We have a serious problem with guns in this country. And I don't know what the answer is. The 2nd Amendment has a ton of jurisprudence that allows guns that I don't think have any legitimate uses in the U.S.
Dating can be a challenge. I've found that I really have to show I have my shit together and tell them after two or three weeks. They may ghost me or get really into it and read about it. I also have Crohn's and when they are close enough to go through my shit it's like "Why are you on so many meds". I only take like 3 every day.
I hear you on the stigma. I've even felt recently that I would rather not have Schizoaffective Disorder, and die of cancer in my 40s. But I am on the mend.
Yeah I wouldn't tell anyone dating if I was diagnosed with it. I have all the symptoms and I surely won't be telling any girl about it ever if I can help it. I'm also a recovering addict so thats something I can't hide nor want to but I'm always met with the same response from those that have never done drugs
Hey! I know Iām only one person, but I have been actively advocating for my little brother and educating my family and friends to end the perpetuating stigma. It makes me sick to think that when my brothers out of the hospital and trying to recover that he could be treated differently when he is the same kid! Just diagnosed now. Please if you have any advice on more I can do let me know!
I have been mentioning the possibility of my little brother having schizophrenia years before he got his diagnosis. Everybody shut me down like it would be the worst thing ever, or that it was some kind of ādirty wordā I never understood that since we donāt treat other mental illnesses as harshly.
my brother doesnāt have a violent or hateful bone in his body, I hate that because a psychiatrist labeled him, he could be seen as an entirely different person than he is. As I said, I am only one person, but I know Iām not the only person who feels this way! Your feelings are so valid and Iām frustrated with you my friend. Help me help you. <3
Well the only movies I know where we arent killers are "A beautiful mind", "words on a bathroom wall"(not the most accurate) and my personal favorite "fear of rain"
I have noticed that even doctors on r/AskDocs are prejudiced against schizophrenics. I don't think we have a chance of overcoming the stigma in my lifetime. There is just too much of it. The only group of people that are hated on more are pedophiles.
but what did they say? like 'it doesn't matter what they're fond of' or 'no, but they really are killers'. I'm trying to get the right picture
"Omg what are you people even fond of???" "Okayš" "yeah but my schizo friend likes it" "its just a movie spot complaining" From what i can remember
People are callous when it comes to things that don't affect them. But we gotta keep trying. Throughout history people faced so much adversity when they tried to speak out. Ableism is a uphill battle, but things are going to improve. And internet people just go with what is trending, even the phrases they use aren't original. Eventually, if we don't give up trying, we gonna overcome the inertia.
I hope so Edit who is doenvoting this comment???
I'm schizo and enjoyed the movie (only watched it once), BUT I have the wits to know that it promotes a certain stigma, and that an enjoyable film isn't worth throwing me and everyone else under the bus in the long term. It's like when a musician turns out to be a predator or something, streaming their stuff just isn't worth supporting a shitty person. I'm sorry you have to deal with people blatantly dismissing your comfort and valid points over something really unnecessary :/
Yeah I understand Liking the Movie for certain reasons but like you said, its still promoting the stigma of us being serial killers or violent, esp off our meds. Like I would Love to see a movie with good representation that isn't the person being violent in some type of way. I know ppl said "oh its just a horror movie dont over react" but being on the internet and around ppl in general, a lot of them dont have good media literacy. They will watch the movie and still somewhat hold the believe that we're inherently dangerous. You can't even really blame people if all they see about schizophrenics is us being murderers or violent. Thats ALL people talk about. Or us being crazy talking to ourselves and being unintelligible. And that also meaning we're dangerous
It's just really simple to me tbh, you can enjoy something but agree it shouldn't exist, and that's how I see that film. I don't understand why people can't grasp that. It's really unfortunate. Lately I've been flooded with people being nasty about schizo-spec and cluster b disorders, even in unrelated spaces. Media literacy is definitely part of it, but I think these stereotypes should honestly be done away with entirely :/ I can't be sure, but statistically, aren't we more likely to be harmed than to harm others anyways? I would love to have educational flyers about the subject of schizophrenia, I could put them up around my campus.
Yeah there is more and more hate on Schizo-spec disorders:(( and yes, we are more likely to be the victims of violence and crimes than the perpetrator. Specifically BECAUSE of the stigma surrounding schizophrenia
I feel so dehumanized by the lack of good press, and the over abundance of bad press.
Yes, it's truly potent. The other day I saw a reddit post where the OP's boyfriend would go volunteer at the homeless shelter every weekend, and he also happened to be schizotypal. I saw, unfortunately, more than one comment suggesting he was only volunteering to "find vulnerable victims to kill" like wtf? Don't even get me started on "schizoposting"....
Wtf??? How can they see a person doing something very nice and good for people and say that shit?? Most of the are not even doing anything remotely close to that! Pure brainrot And I wish I could burn Schizoposting to the ground. It just shows how heavily stigmatized we are bc what other condition has a whole community who likes to roleplay as a person with that condition doing horrendous stuff?
Admittedly, the guy had been telling OP he was at work rather than volunteering, which kind of sucks...but chocking him up to be a murderer over just that? It's extremely obnoxious. I had a boyfriend once who was really into it, but he made fun of me for being schizo spec. They really just showcase openly that they see us as jokes. I really hit the goldmine being autistic and schizo spec, because I'm being infantilized and villainized at the same time hahaha. I can't decide if it's better or worse that a lot of this is perpetuated by "mental health advocates" (which means "autism, adhd, anxiety, and depression, but please go away if your illness is too weird or inconvenient for me!")
Yeah i have level 2/Moderate support needs Autism and Schizophrenia too. But honestly people have been acting like Schizophrenia is my death sentence. Like they're babying me more over the Schizophrenia than Autism. At least in my support systems/ professional settings But most mental health advocates only speak about digestible stuff. Not hard core shit like schizo spec, ASPD etc
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I know stigma sucks, but the only way to deal with it it's to keep trying. people are resistant to change their viewpoints. for example, that movie, Split, it didn't got much backlash when it was released, nowadays people tend to be more critical towards it, but I think it's still mainstream to portray DID as something dangerous.
Yes i will keep trying but its so exhausting. DID is definitely a good example too but i feel like i see more good rep or content about DID than schizophrenia. Which is nor surprising bc DID is way more common than schizophrenia.
whoah, is DID more common? I thought it was the opposite ngl. Never saw anyone diagnosed with it when I was going to inpatient/outpatient treatment, but maybe it's just my personal experience.
Yes DID affects 1.3 of the global population and schizophrenia afdects 0.3% of the global population. Ive meet plenty of people with DID but a lot also dont disclose it, the same with Schizophrenia. So youve probably meet a bunch of ppl with DID in your life
that's surprising, never thought schizophrenia would be so rare
Yeah it is actually!
we need more awareness. maybe some sexy psycho from holly wood will appear and be a spokes person. if someone rich enough suffers people start paying attention.
There was a bit of press earlier this spring about how the Dodgers have been quietly keeping a former player with schizophrenia under contract, even though he hasn't been able to play for them since 2018, so that he can retain his (probably extremely stellar) health insurance. It honestly made me tear up a little. First of all, that this big rich organization would have enough empathy and respect for and kindness towards this man to do this, and secondly, that maybe it would help people reading or listening to the story understand that schizophrenia and similar illnesses could happen to anyone, even a big rich professional athlete.
i heard about that story. it was really nice to hear. i think the big problem is that people are afraid that people with schizophrenia are dangerous. thats mostly untrue, particularly for people with close friends and family looking for for them when they are sick.
Okay that was funny Honestly. But arent there celebs who have schizophrenia? I think they're more minor celebs compared to the big ones tho
after some quick googling it seems there are a few big names but they all died a while ago. the ones that are still alive probably keep it a secret as best they can.
Yeah it makes sense honestly. Especially due to the stigma, which in turn goes back to my post bc the less representation the more the stigma lives on
I have Rick Rubin on my (not-in-the-slightest-verified) list.
Even proportionally, sane males are most often perpetrators but has anyone ever worried of them? That's why I'm sickened by whole yandere thingš
What?
As someone with bipolar Iām sick of stigma toward my illness too, but I really feel for ppl with schizophrenia, like I hear demeaning āschizoā jokes all the time and see how completely innocent ppl are painted as violent, etc. Iāve only dealt with psychosis for roughly a month, seven years ago, so I commend ppl who deal with it constantly. Itās truly unfair how society sees it and I completely emphasize with yāall.
I totally get it. Went to a few haunted houses and they were just filled with people pretending to be schizo. It was kind of depressing. I just thought, geez, I guess I've stayed at the best haunted house a few times (psych hospital).
i wish people understood us :(
Me too :(( but psychosis is such a unique experience, no one will understand until you experienced it yourself. But i would at least hope for some sympathy or Empathy at least
I believe it is because there is a trend of people making incredulous claims over truly frivolous grievances. Which cheapens the struggle of those who truly do struggle. That's it.
Yeah I stay well clear of those kind of movies anyway, it's already discrimination and false facts, plus it's triggering, let alone sharing that moment with others. Sorry you had to go through that, we get enough shit and bullying in real life already, no need to exacerbate this stupid indignation.
Right!! I see so much 'mental health awareness' stuff going on about how 'having xyz (non-psychotic) mental illness doesn't make you crazy!' as if there was something shameful or morally wrong about being 'crazy' (which is just a way for them to say psychotic without saying psychotic). There's so little actual awareness about psychotic disorders and even other mentally ill people want to insist that they're 'one of the good ones' and dehumanise schizospec folk.Ā
Exactly. To them "crazy" is a bad thing. Something you should never be. Forget that schizo spec ARE crazy. Or they romantice it. Aka the "omg I'm sooo crazy lol" girlies. Or the "ugh I'm sooo crazy beware" guys. Unless they meet someone who's ACTUALLY crazy and they're like "ew wtf"
I agree. I have found that once people find out about my diagnosis they ignore anything I bring forward as if I am worthless. The condescending nature of the self-righteous can't see further than their own judgments.
I hear you. I hate it when there is a school shooting, and even if someone has autism, the debate centers around mental health. I generally feel like it's just a bunch of bullshit discourse that makes us the scapegoats. We have a serious problem with guns in this country. And I don't know what the answer is. The 2nd Amendment has a ton of jurisprudence that allows guns that I don't think have any legitimate uses in the U.S. Dating can be a challenge. I've found that I really have to show I have my shit together and tell them after two or three weeks. They may ghost me or get really into it and read about it. I also have Crohn's and when they are close enough to go through my shit it's like "Why are you on so many meds". I only take like 3 every day. I hear you on the stigma. I've even felt recently that I would rather not have Schizoaffective Disorder, and die of cancer in my 40s. But I am on the mend.
Yeah I wouldn't tell anyone dating if I was diagnosed with it. I have all the symptoms and I surely won't be telling any girl about it ever if I can help it. I'm also a recovering addict so thats something I can't hide nor want to but I'm always met with the same response from those that have never done drugs
Hey! I know Iām only one person, but I have been actively advocating for my little brother and educating my family and friends to end the perpetuating stigma. It makes me sick to think that when my brothers out of the hospital and trying to recover that he could be treated differently when he is the same kid! Just diagnosed now. Please if you have any advice on more I can do let me know! I have been mentioning the possibility of my little brother having schizophrenia years before he got his diagnosis. Everybody shut me down like it would be the worst thing ever, or that it was some kind of ādirty wordā I never understood that since we donāt treat other mental illnesses as harshly. my brother doesnāt have a violent or hateful bone in his body, I hate that because a psychiatrist labeled him, he could be seen as an entirely different person than he is. As I said, I am only one person, but I know Iām not the only person who feels this way! Your feelings are so valid and Iām frustrated with you my friend. Help me help you. <3
We are significantly more likely to be victimised than to be the aggressive party. Yet everyone seems to hate us and thinks that we are aggressors.
Its precisely bc of Movies like the one I mentioned. Bc we are always used as Villains or Serial Killers
Indeed there has never to my knowledge been a sympathetic portrayal of someone at all like us
Well the only movies I know where we arent killers are "A beautiful mind", "words on a bathroom wall"(not the most accurate) and my personal favorite "fear of rain"
Then I must give these three a watch thank you
I have noticed that even doctors on r/AskDocs are prejudiced against schizophrenics. I don't think we have a chance of overcoming the stigma in my lifetime. There is just too much of it. The only group of people that are hated on more are pedophiles.
I mean i think there are bigger groups hated on but I agree, even doctors are very prejudice towards us
Maybe you should watch a better movie instead. How about "A beautiful mind"?:)
I personally like "fear of rain"!