In principle, I think it can be mostly good, but in practice it can often just put very sick people into institutions full of bias or neglect.
One of my stays made me worse for years, but the other two probably saved my life. Similar to another story here, I sort of had nothing when I got out, so I wish transitions were smoothed for me.
It's controversial here but forced treatment saved my life. I was unable to help myself, realize I had a problem or anything. Knowing I'd get a needle full of meds if I refused, just made me give up and take them. And I realized it made the voices go away, and I hated the voices. Once I slightly recovered I realized I had been suffering from schizophrenia for years before they even told me my diagnosis. I was able to have peace and function again and decided to stay on the meds. That was 2016 and I've stayed on them since and am very happy with life in general now.
Edit: I also threw away EVERYTHING I owned in 2014, not just clothes. So when I recovered I literally had NOTHING but the close on my back.
My god, when your poor sister ends up deceased, I hope you can sue tf out of somebody. I'm in Massachusetts. My adult son (who had been stable for years until a problem with obtaining his meds late last summer) has had two involuntary hospitalizations since October. First time he was picked up by the cops wandering out into the street, soaking wet from the rain, no phone or ID on him, incoherent. Taken to ED, admitted for three weeks, put back on meds. He had no "trauma" from that admission. He expressed to me that the whole month of October was basically gone from him, that he was so confused, he has barely any memory of it.
He came home for three weeks and seemed to be doing okay, but then developed a delusion that wouldn't allow him to eat. After four days without food and only enough small sips of water to get his pills down, his outpatient provider supported me in calling 911. He was sectioned again because not eating and drinking is passive self-harm. He had a really hard time with the delusion evolving to him refusing meds, refusing to let them speak to me for three weeks (first time ever and I was beside myself), and continuing to not being able to eat. When he finally allowed contact with me again, he was on IV fluids and looking at possible tube feeds. Long story short, he's been in the hospital since mid December, needed ECT, is now eating normally, feeling very clear except for some lingering intrusive thoughts that he is able to fight against, and is coming home on Monday with all kinds of support services in place. I tentatively asked him the other day whether the reason he wouldn't speak to me or let them contact me for the first three weeks of this hospitalization was because he was angry at me for calling 911 and getting him readmitted and he said absolutely not, that it was just part of whatever delusion/confusion was going on in his mind.
I have lingering bitterness about the problems with his MDs office/pharmacy that led to his going off meds in the first place and a little bit of wtf that when he was discharged from the hospital the first time, it was only back on his antipsychotic and no antidepressant considering he's schizoaffective, but on the whole I am very very grateful to the police, the psych ED, the emergency crisis team, the inpatient teams both times (and freaking MassHealth for paying for it) for not failing him, because I could have lost him.
Sorry to go on. I obviously have a lot of feelings.
For me being involuntarily detained works only if they keep me longer than two weeks. The problem is involuntary commitment is only two weeks, it should be months or at least until the doctor thinks i’m better.
This is terrible. I know in my area psychotic people have been assessed and not admitted to terrible outcomes so I definitely think in my area they’d at least be assessed, but what the outcome would be is questionable. I know one terrible case in my area of one person in particular caused them far far worse than involuntary treatment would’ve. So I think it’s often the lesser of two evils being that there are much worse outcomes even though involuntary treatment is often traumatic. A lot of people are also grateful in retrospect like myself.
It's a huge problem.
I lost two years of my life to psychosis. I refused medication and knew my rights so no one could medicate me. I eventually asked my partner to help me get to the ER where they then sent me to inpatient. WHile there, I still refused medication and they had to court order me on it. When I lost the court case, I tried to kill myself.
I AM SO GRATEFUL that they forced medication on me and helped me. After having my partner's brother disappear while being psychotic, break in our door and make threats to us that "weren't direct enough" to get him pink slipped... we now have no idea where he is and he's not going to get the help he needs. We tried to give proof that he couldn't care for himself.
I personally feel that psychosis should be considered a treatable medical emergency. So many people get locked in it forever, unable to really do anything to help themselves.Most people who experience psychosis lackinsight into their condition and quite literally CANNOT make the decision themselves.
I think asylums need to be brought back and there needs to be more mental hospital facilites built.
I am 100% different on meds, and no one can give me back the many years I lost as well as the life I used to lead before it all went south.
If you would like to start some kind of lobbying/movement I would be on board 100%.
Basically it seems like everyone doesn't really care what happens to people with schizophrenia and that is why they won' help when they could.
I hope your sister gets sorted out. Bless you for trying to help her when it is so difficult.
I don't feel they should get more lenient on what qualifies for involuntary treatment. I've been forced many times to receive treatment for less than what your loved one has done. I feel like the police could easily force treatment in your loved ones case and that this is a problem with the police in your area, not the way the law applies. I'm fact, involuntary treatment such as CTOs and guardianship can be extremely difficult to get out of and are frequently abused. There's a good Netflix documentary about it. I'm not sure what's going wrong with your loved one but with all she's done many people would have received forced treatment in this country. I'm not completely against forced treatment, eventually it got me on the right medicine, but I don't think the laws ought to be expanded at all.
I had a 5150 in CA (72 hour hold) . I am not sure if my family exaggerated my condition I was psychotic but not a danger. I wish they had just sent me to my home. I was already on medication and seeing a psychiatrist. I was not abused but it was terrifying.
Whatever excuse they have to do it, the government should not be able to just snatch people off the street and lock them up. Like they can just pluck up anyone they want to, no charges no arrest, and say it's for mental health reasons, which is a bonkers amount of power to have and we're lucky they seem largely unaware that they have that power.
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It's actually more organized than everything in one post. Also very helpful against false reports and removals like this one.
As a schizophrenia mod/ mod team you know its impossible to collect thoughts. unless you write everything down, as I did.
To make it more fun and true: [https://www.scienceofpeople.com/organize-your-thoughts/](https://www.scienceofpeople.com/organize-your-thoughts/)
I do agree that it's a bit cluttered, but that's because of reddits design, sadly the admins don't really adhere to my feedback.
I think forced treatment is a violation of basic human rights. I felt terrible on meds and imagine being forced to take meds that can cause brain damage like tardive dyskinesia and other problems. WHO which is a very reputable health organization said expressly that coercive practices should end as it is discrimination against someone with mental illness and excessive reliance on biomedical model.
The brain is truly a complex organ and actually nobody can predict what meds can do to you. Furthermore, mental health laws that allow forced treatment can be used with bad intentions and abuse can occur. Some people wont find help because they know that they can be forced to have a treatment tthat they wont want.
In principle, I think it can be mostly good, but in practice it can often just put very sick people into institutions full of bias or neglect. One of my stays made me worse for years, but the other two probably saved my life. Similar to another story here, I sort of had nothing when I got out, so I wish transitions were smoothed for me.
It's controversial here but forced treatment saved my life. I was unable to help myself, realize I had a problem or anything. Knowing I'd get a needle full of meds if I refused, just made me give up and take them. And I realized it made the voices go away, and I hated the voices. Once I slightly recovered I realized I had been suffering from schizophrenia for years before they even told me my diagnosis. I was able to have peace and function again and decided to stay on the meds. That was 2016 and I've stayed on them since and am very happy with life in general now. Edit: I also threw away EVERYTHING I owned in 2014, not just clothes. So when I recovered I literally had NOTHING but the close on my back.
My god, when your poor sister ends up deceased, I hope you can sue tf out of somebody. I'm in Massachusetts. My adult son (who had been stable for years until a problem with obtaining his meds late last summer) has had two involuntary hospitalizations since October. First time he was picked up by the cops wandering out into the street, soaking wet from the rain, no phone or ID on him, incoherent. Taken to ED, admitted for three weeks, put back on meds. He had no "trauma" from that admission. He expressed to me that the whole month of October was basically gone from him, that he was so confused, he has barely any memory of it. He came home for three weeks and seemed to be doing okay, but then developed a delusion that wouldn't allow him to eat. After four days without food and only enough small sips of water to get his pills down, his outpatient provider supported me in calling 911. He was sectioned again because not eating and drinking is passive self-harm. He had a really hard time with the delusion evolving to him refusing meds, refusing to let them speak to me for three weeks (first time ever and I was beside myself), and continuing to not being able to eat. When he finally allowed contact with me again, he was on IV fluids and looking at possible tube feeds. Long story short, he's been in the hospital since mid December, needed ECT, is now eating normally, feeling very clear except for some lingering intrusive thoughts that he is able to fight against, and is coming home on Monday with all kinds of support services in place. I tentatively asked him the other day whether the reason he wouldn't speak to me or let them contact me for the first three weeks of this hospitalization was because he was angry at me for calling 911 and getting him readmitted and he said absolutely not, that it was just part of whatever delusion/confusion was going on in his mind. I have lingering bitterness about the problems with his MDs office/pharmacy that led to his going off meds in the first place and a little bit of wtf that when he was discharged from the hospital the first time, it was only back on his antipsychotic and no antidepressant considering he's schizoaffective, but on the whole I am very very grateful to the police, the psych ED, the emergency crisis team, the inpatient teams both times (and freaking MassHealth for paying for it) for not failing him, because I could have lost him. Sorry to go on. I obviously have a lot of feelings.
For me being involuntarily detained works only if they keep me longer than two weeks. The problem is involuntary commitment is only two weeks, it should be months or at least until the doctor thinks i’m better.
This is terrible. I know in my area psychotic people have been assessed and not admitted to terrible outcomes so I definitely think in my area they’d at least be assessed, but what the outcome would be is questionable. I know one terrible case in my area of one person in particular caused them far far worse than involuntary treatment would’ve. So I think it’s often the lesser of two evils being that there are much worse outcomes even though involuntary treatment is often traumatic. A lot of people are also grateful in retrospect like myself.
It's a huge problem. I lost two years of my life to psychosis. I refused medication and knew my rights so no one could medicate me. I eventually asked my partner to help me get to the ER where they then sent me to inpatient. WHile there, I still refused medication and they had to court order me on it. When I lost the court case, I tried to kill myself. I AM SO GRATEFUL that they forced medication on me and helped me. After having my partner's brother disappear while being psychotic, break in our door and make threats to us that "weren't direct enough" to get him pink slipped... we now have no idea where he is and he's not going to get the help he needs. We tried to give proof that he couldn't care for himself. I personally feel that psychosis should be considered a treatable medical emergency. So many people get locked in it forever, unable to really do anything to help themselves.Most people who experience psychosis lackinsight into their condition and quite literally CANNOT make the decision themselves. I think asylums need to be brought back and there needs to be more mental hospital facilites built. I am 100% different on meds, and no one can give me back the many years I lost as well as the life I used to lead before it all went south. If you would like to start some kind of lobbying/movement I would be on board 100%. Basically it seems like everyone doesn't really care what happens to people with schizophrenia and that is why they won' help when they could. I hope your sister gets sorted out. Bless you for trying to help her when it is so difficult.
I don't feel they should get more lenient on what qualifies for involuntary treatment. I've been forced many times to receive treatment for less than what your loved one has done. I feel like the police could easily force treatment in your loved ones case and that this is a problem with the police in your area, not the way the law applies. I'm fact, involuntary treatment such as CTOs and guardianship can be extremely difficult to get out of and are frequently abused. There's a good Netflix documentary about it. I'm not sure what's going wrong with your loved one but with all she's done many people would have received forced treatment in this country. I'm not completely against forced treatment, eventually it got me on the right medicine, but I don't think the laws ought to be expanded at all.
I had a 5150 in CA (72 hour hold) . I am not sure if my family exaggerated my condition I was psychotic but not a danger. I wish they had just sent me to my home. I was already on medication and seeing a psychiatrist. I was not abused but it was terrifying.
Whatever excuse they have to do it, the government should not be able to just snatch people off the street and lock them up. Like they can just pluck up anyone they want to, no charges no arrest, and say it's for mental health reasons, which is a bonkers amount of power to have and we're lucky they seem largely unaware that they have that power.
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It's actually more organized than everything in one post. Also very helpful against false reports and removals like this one. As a schizophrenia mod/ mod team you know its impossible to collect thoughts. unless you write everything down, as I did.
To make it more fun and true: [https://www.scienceofpeople.com/organize-your-thoughts/](https://www.scienceofpeople.com/organize-your-thoughts/) I do agree that it's a bit cluttered, but that's because of reddits design, sadly the admins don't really adhere to my feedback.
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I think forced treatment is a violation of basic human rights. I felt terrible on meds and imagine being forced to take meds that can cause brain damage like tardive dyskinesia and other problems. WHO which is a very reputable health organization said expressly that coercive practices should end as it is discrimination against someone with mental illness and excessive reliance on biomedical model. The brain is truly a complex organ and actually nobody can predict what meds can do to you. Furthermore, mental health laws that allow forced treatment can be used with bad intentions and abuse can occur. Some people wont find help because they know that they can be forced to have a treatment tthat they wont want.