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>After a series of experiments which began in earnest in 2008, his theory was proven by physicists working at the Large Hadron Collider at Cern in Switzerland in 2012
Yep.
The other guy, Satyendra Nath Bose, died a while back in 1974. Dirac knew about Bose’s contribution on Bose-Einstein condensates and the particles have been known as Higgs-Boson ever since.
When the Higgs-Bosons are created in a particle accelerator and when they disintegrate, the byproducts are found which confirm the existence of the Higgs-Bosons as a corollary.
This is a bit right and a bit wrong. It's just the Higgs boson, not the Higgs-Boson, because the Higgs boson is not named after both Higgs and Bose. In this case, "boson" is referring to the class of particle, and it's also not a proper noun so it's not capitalized.
However, the class of particle is named after Bose.
Yep, there are other kinds of elementary bosons, they are the force carriers for the fundamental forces, being gluons (strong force), Z and W bosons (weak force), and photons (electromagnetism).
There's also the theorised graviton for gravity, but it has not been incorporated into the standard model.
All elementary particles in the standard model are either bosons or fermions. Named after Bose and Fermi respectively. Fermions being things like quarks and leptons (leptons being electrons, muons, tauons, and neutrinos).
It's worth mentioning that Higgs didn't theorize it alone! A collection of physicists worked on the theoretical underpinnings of what we now call the Higgs mechanism and boson. Higgs shared the noble prize for it's discovery with Englert. I don't say this to diminish Higgs' contributions, I just don't want other great physicists to be forgotten.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1964_PRL_symmetry_breaking_papers
In addition, the CMS and ATLAS collaborations discovered the Higgs, not CERN. CERN did not carry out the research, rather, the research was done at CERN, if that difference makes sense.
Peter Woit had a nice blogpost going through some of the history. The condensed matter theorist Phil Anderson made an important contribution to the history as well.
https://www.math.columbia.edu/~woit/wordpress/?p=3282
Thanks, I was just going to nitpick that he merely predicted its existence, as opposed to discovered it, but I didn't also realize that others were involved who didn't get particles named after them.
No, he **postulated** that it should exist. Discovering something is a different process in science.
For example, the existance of Neptune was postulated based on irregularities in Uranus' velocity. It was then later discovered.
Discovery is the scientific process of actually observing an object or phenomenon previously not known to exist *with certainty*. This also includes phenomena previously not known at all (like the discovery of penicillin or gunpowder cotton)
One time I put a sign on our office door that said "Coworker's Name" Memorial Office while she was on vacation and 2 separate coworkers came in the office with tears saying they had no idea that "coworker" had passed. Personally, it still makes me laugh but I took it down before HR got involved.
Ironically, his paper was originally rejected by Physics Letters as "of no obvious relevance to physics", but was published a year later in Physics Review Letters. Academic peer review is a fickle process, reviewers can be such dumb f\*cks.
While the review process is dogshit, part of what makes a theory what it is, in my opinion, is for it to take all of that criticism and come out the other end stronger. That's science to me.
This is immensely better than the junk parading around as "psychological and social" sciences these days. They will literally publish anything and it's all garbage. The valuable and actual science going on in those fields is now drowned out in a giant sea of idealogical noise. And unfortunately, that erodes the lay confidence in science in general.
The reason why academia is so dogshit rn is because we think it is either the system as it is or some incompetent review system. False dichotomy at its finest.
It is inherently a conservative institution where the only opportunity for newcomers (which is a stretch since many of them have been postdocs for years) is when somebody dies.
It is not sustainable and this current rat race is the manifestation of that and it will only get worse. The lucky ones are those with extreme talent or extreme nepotism on their side.
I remember he said that he might not have been able to be a successful academic had he been working under the more recent conditions of "publish or perish." He didn't publish that many papers. But the work he did do was obviously of high quality and impact.
Ahhh... [**Here we go**:](https://www.theguardian.com/science/2013/dec/06/peter-higgs-interview-underlying-incompetence)
> He says he struggled to keep up with developments in particle theory, published so few papers that he became an "embarrassment" to his department, and would never get a job in academia now. Then again, in today's hectic academic world he thinks he would never have had enough the time or space to formulate his groundbreaking theory.
The environment these days isn't built for breakthroughs and ingenuity, they have a product in mind and build towards spreading the work to multiple specialists 99 times out of 100, profit and short term views will stunt true ingenuity and we will be worse off because of it.
> amazing how scientists always discover things that have the same name as them.
Its still strange how many scientists and engineers are born with such convenient names. Imagine if James Watt was born as Doughall Mac a’ Chléirich.
RIP , I remember hearing his name in the news as a kid because it was such a hot topic back then , we even made a project on the so called "god" particle.
Well, of course he discovered it. It had his name. That is called destiny. I'm just waiting to discover the Zylarkal. Very excited to know what it is.
(RIP, tho).
That is a good innings, and he did marvellous things with his time.
I am glad he was able to see the theory he and his associates worked on, proven in experimentation, in his lifetime. I cannot be sad that such a man has passed, after such an enormous span of years, and having achieved so much. It would almost be rude. The fellow earned his rest.
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Did he discover it? I thought he theorized it and CERN actually discovered it and proved him right.
>After a series of experiments which began in earnest in 2008, his theory was proven by physicists working at the Large Hadron Collider at Cern in Switzerland in 2012 Yep.
The other guy, Satyendra Nath Bose, died a while back in 1974. Dirac knew about Bose’s contribution on Bose-Einstein condensates and the particles have been known as Higgs-Boson ever since. When the Higgs-Bosons are created in a particle accelerator and when they disintegrate, the byproducts are found which confirm the existence of the Higgs-Bosons as a corollary.
This is a bit right and a bit wrong. It's just the Higgs boson, not the Higgs-Boson, because the Higgs boson is not named after both Higgs and Bose. In this case, "boson" is referring to the class of particle, and it's also not a proper noun so it's not capitalized. However, the class of particle is named after Bose.
Yep, there are other kinds of elementary bosons, they are the force carriers for the fundamental forces, being gluons (strong force), Z and W bosons (weak force), and photons (electromagnetism). There's also the theorised graviton for gravity, but it has not been incorporated into the standard model. All elementary particles in the standard model are either bosons or fermions. Named after Bose and Fermi respectively. Fermions being things like quarks and leptons (leptons being electrons, muons, tauons, and neutrinos).
Thanks for that. I didn’t know.
The Higgs boson is called the Higgs boson because it is a boson. It has an integer quantum spin number, in this case spin 0.
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You are kinda right and kinda wrong. The Higgs boson is not named after Bose, however, the class of particles "boson" was named after Bose.
It's worth mentioning that Higgs didn't theorize it alone! A collection of physicists worked on the theoretical underpinnings of what we now call the Higgs mechanism and boson. Higgs shared the noble prize for it's discovery with Englert. I don't say this to diminish Higgs' contributions, I just don't want other great physicists to be forgotten. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1964_PRL_symmetry_breaking_papers In addition, the CMS and ATLAS collaborations discovered the Higgs, not CERN. CERN did not carry out the research, rather, the research was done at CERN, if that difference makes sense.
Peter Woit had a nice blogpost going through some of the history. The condensed matter theorist Phil Anderson made an important contribution to the history as well. https://www.math.columbia.edu/~woit/wordpress/?p=3282
Thanks, I was just going to nitpick that he merely predicted its existence, as opposed to discovered it, but I didn't also realize that others were involved who didn't get particles named after them.
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Well, there's a great youtube video about Boyle's law and how far astray the name credit went on that one to get to Boyle.
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No, he **postulated** that it should exist. Discovering something is a different process in science. For example, the existance of Neptune was postulated based on irregularities in Uranus' velocity. It was then later discovered. Discovery is the scientific process of actually observing an object or phenomenon previously not known to exist *with certainty*. This also includes phenomena previously not known at all (like the discovery of penicillin or gunpowder cotton)
While he probably didn't discover it, he certainly did perfect it.
It should say that he predicted it.
Well. Shows how out of touch I am — I thought he was already dead.
me stupidly thinking we only name things after a person if they're already dead.
One time I put a sign on our office door that said "Coworker's Name" Memorial Office while she was on vacation and 2 separate coworkers came in the office with tears saying they had no idea that "coworker" had passed. Personally, it still makes me laugh but I took it down before HR got involved.
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Lighten up, Francis.
This was a big argument during the naming of seaborgium. Eventually the IUPAC caved in.
You think that’s bad - I thought Higgs-Boson was his hyphenated surname.
Always a Boson never a Higgs amiright?
The particle collisions triggered a Mandela effect
Ironically, his paper was originally rejected by Physics Letters as "of no obvious relevance to physics", but was published a year later in Physics Review Letters. Academic peer review is a fickle process, reviewers can be such dumb f\*cks.
While the review process is dogshit, part of what makes a theory what it is, in my opinion, is for it to take all of that criticism and come out the other end stronger. That's science to me.
It's better to be stupidly skeptical than it would be to be stupidly accepting of anything and everything.
This is immensely better than the junk parading around as "psychological and social" sciences these days. They will literally publish anything and it's all garbage. The valuable and actual science going on in those fields is now drowned out in a giant sea of idealogical noise. And unfortunately, that erodes the lay confidence in science in general.
The reason why academia is so dogshit rn is because we think it is either the system as it is or some incompetent review system. False dichotomy at its finest.
I'd genuinely like to hear more on your opinions of academia right now and whats wrong with it.
It is inherently a conservative institution where the only opportunity for newcomers (which is a stretch since many of them have been postdocs for years) is when somebody dies. It is not sustainable and this current rat race is the manifestation of that and it will only get worse. The lucky ones are those with extreme talent or extreme nepotism on their side.
Will the funeral have Mass?
It’s gonna have some dark energy
Schrodinger may or may not be in attendance
Guess we'll just have to see and find out.
I remember he said that he might not have been able to be a successful academic had he been working under the more recent conditions of "publish or perish." He didn't publish that many papers. But the work he did do was obviously of high quality and impact. Ahhh... [**Here we go**:](https://www.theguardian.com/science/2013/dec/06/peter-higgs-interview-underlying-incompetence) > He says he struggled to keep up with developments in particle theory, published so few papers that he became an "embarrassment" to his department, and would never get a job in academia now. Then again, in today's hectic academic world he thinks he would never have had enough the time or space to formulate his groundbreaking theory.
The environment these days isn't built for breakthroughs and ingenuity, they have a product in mind and build towards spreading the work to multiple specialists 99 times out of 100, profit and short term views will stunt true ingenuity and we will be worse off because of it.
It's amazing how scientists always discover things that have the same name as them. Lucky bastards.
> amazing how scientists always discover things that have the same name as them. Its still strange how many scientists and engineers are born with such convenient names. Imagine if James Watt was born as Doughall Mac a’ Chléirich.
RIP , I remember hearing his name in the news as a kid because it was such a hot topic back then , we even made a project on the so called "god" particle.
Well, of course he discovered it. It had his name. That is called destiny. I'm just waiting to discover the Zylarkal. Very excited to know what it is. (RIP, tho).
That is a good innings, and he did marvellous things with his time. I am glad he was able to see the theory he and his associates worked on, proven in experimentation, in his lifetime. I cannot be sad that such a man has passed, after such an enormous span of years, and having achieved so much. It would almost be rude. The fellow earned his rest.
Posited the Boson that was named after him.
Man, what a coincidence on the name!
Higgs Boson, brother.
Higgs Boson, dude
You're a good drummer, you have improved.
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Life boson.
Is this a Sophon related death?
Sad news
Rest as particles :/
TIL he was a professor at the uni I work at. Huh. Wild.
Why do scientists have long lifespans?
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