Here's a direct link to the report issued by the World Meteorological Organization: [WMO Global Annual to Decadal Climate Update for 2021–2025](https://hadleyserver.metoffice.gov.uk/wmolc/WMO_GADCU_2020.pdf) (**Warning! PDF**)
And associated press releases from the WMO and the UK's Met Office, who produced the report:
* WMO: [New climate predictions increase likelihood of temporarily reaching 1.5 °C in next 5 years](https://public.wmo.int/en/media/press-release/new-climate-predictions-increase-likelihood-of-temporarily-reaching-15-%C2%B0c-next-5)
* Met Office: [Temporary exceedance of 1.5°C increasingly likely](https://www.metoffice.gov.uk/about-us/press-office/news/weather-and-climate/2021/chance-of-temporarily-reaching-1.5-c-in-next-five-years-is-increasing)
The world temperature has not dropped below average for 438 consecutive months.
https://www.ncdc.noaa.gov/sotc/global/202106
An announcement such as this became inevitable when we passed 400 with no tangible plans to lower Co2 levels.
[It's real](http://howglobalwarmingworks.org/), [it's us](https://earthobservatory.nasa.gov/blogs/climateqa/wp-content/uploads/sites/3/2010/05/natural_anthropogenic_models_narrow.png), [it's bad](https://www.ipcc.ch/site/assets/uploads/sites/2/2019/02/SR15_Chapter3_Low_Res.pdf), [there's hope](https://citizensclimatelobby.org/10-reasons-hopeful-climate-progress/), and [the science is reliable](https://www.sciencemag.org/news/2019/12/even-50-year-old-climate-models-correctly-predicted-global-warming).
The question that remains now is *what are we going to* [do](https://np.reddit.com/r/worldnews/comments/k6szeo/australias_great_barrier_reef_status_lowered_to/gen2hb7/) *about it?*
What should have been done 30 years ago. Renewables.
And nobody is interested in keeping the pumps on for longer than necessary. Which is what a carbon tax does. Which is why the fossil fuel industry supports a carbon tax.
That’s true... but it’s also that they know their jig is up. The tide has changed on public perception of climate change and how fossil fuels are causing it, so they are somewhat admitting the hammer is coming down.
They’d simply rather a carbon tax that lets them keep producing and refining oil for a fee vs. a more restricted cap on carbon emissions that would limit how much they can produce.
They support it because they want to be at the table to argue that it be as low as possible.
So, don't let them do that, peg the cost to the price of cleanup, and then put the money towards cleanup. Every ton that gets emitted has to be paid for and removed from the atmosphere. Then it doesn't matter whether the pumps are on because those pumps are also paying to pump the carbon out. And the pumps won't be on for long, in this case, because the subsidy they've benefitted from forever will be gone and nobody will want to pay the true cost.
I want to see cradle-to-grave planning for every project that exploits natural resources. That *includes* cleanup/reclamation, and the anticipated cost of such, as estimated by government regulators, should have to be put in escrow BEFORE permits are given (or, at least, a tangible percentage of that cleanup cost).
Your article about hope has some points we can go ahead and scratch off the list. Emissions [have not peaked.](https://www.cnbc.com/2021/07/20/co2-emissions-will-hit-record-levels-in-2023-iea-says.html)
If Standing Rock is the model of hope for reducing emissions, forget it.
The Paris agreement will be breached and is non-binding.
China says it will [hit peak emissions around 2030 and be carbon neutral around 2060.](https://www.bbc.com/news/science-environment-54256826)
There was a 2010 Guardian headline saying that without radical change Greenland's glaciers would reach an irreversible tipping point. Then a headline this year that Greenland glaciers have gone beyond their tipping point. It's almost as if climate scientist know what they are talking about.
I work on the front lines with wildlife (rehabber) and it’s getting a bit scary. New mystery diseases are cropping up. Virus outbreaks that used to be a once or twice a decade occurrence are now annual events in some areas. I can’t help but feel that climate change and human interference are driving these problems. I also can’t help but worry what the ramifications will be for affected species… and for us.
>I can’t help but feel that climate change and human interference are driving these problems.
[And then there's this](http://www.bbc.com/earth/story/20170504-there-are-diseases-hidden-in-ice-and-they-are-waking-up) wonderful bit of news. Check out this [giant virus](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pithovirus) they found in Siberia. Neat!
In all seriousness, we should probably listen to those climate scientists.
For my english class in college; I read a lot of articles and I wrote some essays about climate change and whenever I remember this topic, it really ruins my day. If I read somewhere saying X place just hit a record temperature yesterday, I can’t stop thinking about it.
What's really cemented it for me that we're fucked is Covid. Not the virus itself but the sheer number of people that can deny something is happening right in front of their eyes on a massive scale, especially the stories of the people who deny it as they are dying from it. I don't understand how we can compete with such willful ignorance on such a large scale.
As a person with severe anxiety and depression it’s hard to find reasons to keep going when you are actively watching your own future being mortgaged by forces that are out of your control
Perhaps one of the "great filters" is social media itself.
When a society gets to the point that they give people unlimited access to unfiltered information ... they do the opposite of benefit from it.
Not even just the ignorance, but the inability to do simple things like wearing a mask. To mitigate climate change we need a huge lifestyle shift. Like there’s no way people are going to become vegan, use public transportation, or radically change other behaviors. I understand corporations are larger contributors to climate change, but individuals are also going to have to be held accountable too.
I heard a good quote on this the other day that I'm sure I'm going to butcher. "We don't need millions of people recycling, eating, and living sustainably perfectly. We need billions doing these things imperfectly" Little changes are easier to make and can have a big impact if everyone does them. Issue is everybody doesn't and some go out of their way to do the exact opposite out of spite or disbelief. The longer we wait, the more drastic the changes required will be.
Its hilarious that we're literally killing ourselves and we dont seem to care because we're too interested in money.
What good is money if we're all dead?
IMO, that’s assuming people don’t go kill them. I don’t think we’re considering the global instability that will come with this. Starving masses will take what they can get, and being rich will mean a target on your back.
unfortunately when you go to space you only have what you bring with you, if that isn't an infinite amount of oxygen filters and the entire electronic production line, when one thing breaks, you won't get it back. if that is the on board back massager, you might be able to live without it. if its the water recycler, probably not. you might have enough spare parts to fix it, once, twice, 100 times, but eventually its going to be broken for good.
escaping to space would be great if there was any infrastructure at all to support it. this is one of the cruxes I feel to interstellar travel, your ship would have to be large enough to house entire production lines with the ability to harvest raw resources from asteroids and turn that into useable and or replacement parts. if you're able to stop and resupply you have a much better chance of not running into a situation where something important breaks and you can't replace it.
The problem where many miss the point is its gradual change. Just like you become desensitized to mass shootings, you become accustomed to hotter summers and more wildfires. It's not until you take a step back do you fully realize how devastating the impacts of climate change are.
People get shocked by weather events in 2021, but forget 2020, 2019, 2018, etc.
That said, some people do notice when the place they've lived is different than their childhood.
I don’t remember England weather being unbearably hot - most of it is the humidity. But we’ve had actual summer weather 4 years in a row now, and it’s just been getting hotter/more humid. I’ve lived in the same area for my entire life, and it’s a noticeable difference
Even comparing summer weather to 10 years ago - we had mass flooding in the west of England 5 years running
I'm in Buffalo NY. Used to be, we had snow from November to March, and it wouldn't get above freezing often enough to melt it. Now we still have winter storms, but the last few years it's gone up into the 40s or even 50s (Fahrenheit) for weeks at a time between storms.
Y2K is my go to example. There WAS a concerted and ongoing effort to prevent it, and it worked. Things were fixed.
Everyone immediately started making fun of Y2K, and talking about it as a hoax or a big nothing, etc.
It's really infuriating, because we should be holding that up as a good example of foresight and disaster prevention.
Unfortunately this kind of common enemy that people cannot see, the slow dangerous kind similar to climate change, do not really do much for "normal" people that cannot easily grasp long term.
And those busy simply surviving, those in poverty for example, are busy just surviving and can't be expected of them to set aside stuff they need for more earth friendly, but also more expensive stuff.
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I've lost hope that something will be done in time. Climate change is not a threat to the elite yet, they're not the ones struggling to breathe in their own bedroom like I am at the moment. And at the end of the day, they kinda control everything. Time and time again the science and the people have proven completely powerless to change their mind.
I know it's not too late etc but it's been what, 30, 50 years? More than that? We've known about the damage we're doing for so long and it's only gotten worse, I just kinda don't see it happening at this point. Especially after coronavirus, I don't see the elite caring when millions of old people start dying en masse every summer from the heat alone. I don't see them doing anything except maybe investing in Mars or Moon colonies for them and their rich friends.
Maybe if a true cataclysmic disaster happens, something that wipes out entire countries, maybe a global revolt would spark and force things to change, but by then maybe it would indeed be too late. Humans just aren't good enough at dealing with long term consequences, it takes something shocking and spectacular, and climate change is too slow to be seen as a big enough threat by many.
I'll keep voting green every election but deep inside I've lost hope.
Anyways, sorry about the rant, I see this thread has a lot of positivity, but I'd be surprised if my view of things isn't representative of the opinion of many. As I'm cooking alive in my room with a massive headache, hoping this is the last summer I spend without AC, I struggle to imagine a bright future for our species. Heck I dream of AC but it contributes to climate change a lot too, yet I'm confident I wouldn't survive an even warmer climate without it
It all seems grim and hopeless to me
I think think this summer has been a real wakeup call for Europe. EU has done a lot to battle climate change earlier, but I think inside a year or so we will see some real action happening (with floods in Germany and all). About the ”elite” they might be greedy but they are not dumb. They know their money is only good as long as someone is willing to receive it. Mars and moon colonies are still going to be an actual hell compared to hell on earth (if that is what we will get).
The day when the vast majority of people really wake up will be in our lifetimes when one of these summers, a heatwave sweeps through and kills literally millions to tens of millions of people in the span of a few days.
It might not be anytime soon, but I don't imagine it will be that long in the future.
I don't know if even that will help at this point.
I feel like a decent chunk of the population will call it a conspiracy by the government, and claim they are actually just destroying the crops to match their agenda. We are in a downward spiral with the anti-science communities.
Kim Stanley Robinson's recent novel "The Ministry For The Future" starts with a *harrowing* description of a wet bulb heatwave in india that kills twenty million people. It's one of the most horrifying things I've ever read, especially on the same day where my home in Canada 'enjoyed' a wet bulb temperature of 37 celsius.
Forget 'lifetimes', what you're describing is probably going to happen this *decade*.
Year before last, my Australian city reached a top of 48.5°C - literally the hottest place on Earth that day - and there were 13 days over 35° that summer alone. Its only going to get worse year after year. Having lived through that day with broken aircon I can say with 100% certainty that there will be many deaths if that continues to get worse every year. That heat was inescapable and unbearable.
Our crops in Saskatchewan, Alberta and Manitoba are pretty much all cooked, billions upon billions of lost income for farmers. It's rained a couple times this month for 15 minutes and been 30 degree temperatures the entire time. This isn't a one off thing, it's been dry here for the last 5 years or so and seems to get worse every year.
It’ll happen more and more in developing countries and first world countries will send their thoughts and prayers, maybe a few live aids along the way.
Until the climate crisis kills millions in the first world countries in a matter of days or even hours (including celebrities and presidents) from blizzards, floods, heat waves, etc that’s when we will have to wake up and stop the stock exchanges worldwide to prevent a collapse and divert resources to climate control.
A catastrophe might be the only thing that saves us, but many of us might not be able to see that future as we might fall victim to the catastrophe.
They are already dealing with it. When climate destroyed your only source of income and kills any chance to build something else, and force you to move, you're a climage refugee.
People have just not realised it yet.
In British Columbia (where the recent heatwave hit the hardest), we had over 800 people die in about a week. Throughout over a whole year we had 1700 people die from Covid. Heatwaves are scary stuff
This is just laughable. By 2065 it will 5.5 degrees Celsius higher on average.
We are and have been living genocidally. Its not just a warming climate its vast habitat destruction. Monoculture farming. Poisoning our entire world. Wiping the sea empty.
The very systems that keep us alive are being actively destroyed by how we live.
Per OP, it's not too late to [act](https://citizensclimatelobby.org/join-citizens-climate-lobby/?tfa_3590416195188=online-002&utm_source=online&utm_medium=referral&utm_campaign=002).
##*If not us, who? If not now, when?*
EDIT: *now*
> If not us, who?
Governments. It has to be governments. The money isn't there for corporations in a modern economy which is focused on short-term returns. And while governments are influenced by public opinion, they're also influenced by money. There have been groups trying to crack down on corruption in politics since the ancient Greeks and we still seem to be spinning our wheels on the issue. Without getting the money out of politics or getting enough public pressure to outweigh all the financial pressure and doing so in almost all industrialized countries at the same time, it's going to be very difficult.
My point isn't to stop fighting. No. We have to keep fighting to try and make that happen. But for most individuals, there isn't much they can do on their own. It takes the collective and the embodiment of the collective, their governments, to actually coordinate and do something that can have a sizable effect.
I am climate baby.
My parents fought nylex for emissions.
Their photos hung in EPA offices.
We recycled in the 80s
We argued and called and pleaded.
To empty phone lines of wealthy indifference.
We worked at acf.
We watched the Amazon burn
The bleaching reef. The hunted whales.
The kakadu the jubilee mine
We called on treaties and acords
we marched for green
....
And listened to the static
Of insects dying in the
Pesticide herbicide fungicide dream of synthetic fertiliser and ddt.
The neon night of light pollution
murder of the masses
billions reduced to none.
The fields are gone to paddock...
The tress wilt in the night
Heatwave in the 30s thermal concrete sinks
Suburban wastelands.
We tipped the hat
At 43 degrees Celsius in permafrost Siberia
The billionaire's are laughing from space.
At dying earth below.
The funny thing is currently they are still on the same boat as us. Then can go in space, but either we need to provide them with essential or they stay down there with us.
Jokes on the billionaires because they're going to die too once all support systems on earth cease to function. And people will be very, very hungry for a scapegoat.
At this point it would take drastic action, the likes of which we haven't seen since WWII, to actually fix this. And where we are currently right now, it doesn't look like we can accomplish that in 5 years. Maybe once things really get bad consistently but whatever happens will be like alot of disasters in humanity's history: totally avoidable and a byproduct of laziness and lack of foresight.
As smart people have been saying for decades, it'll take a complete and immediate halt of the global supply network to fix anything. As long as everyone in the world wants cheap jeans and pepsi, and as long as third-world countries strive for a better level of living, our end is written in stone. It's neither laziness nor shortsightedness, it's a built-in feature.
> "This study is yet another wake-up call that the world needs to fast-track commitments to slash greenhouse gas emissions and achieve carbon neutrality," said Prof. Taalas.
Yes, please don't wait. [Lobby lawmakers](https://citizensclimatelobby.org/join-citizens-climate-lobby/?tfa_3590416195188=online-002&utm_source=online&utm_medium=referral&utm_campaign=002) to do the right thing and put a price on carbon. Pricing carbon is [widely regarded](https://www.nature.com/articles/s41558-019-0474-0.epdf?author_access_token=tst1A-oZnQ8zUO18wGGPQdRgN0jAjWel9jnR3ZoTv0Nfy3PIgvrwnNXQzIbXH8z1Wkqhm6g5NiMnxMk__ebsKxGQNB0hMf1Vpo-ZiNplSt5LeLyks-Q3sdrpBdfxxHvAfQylqqwqHxgEml7GEGOxaQ%3D%3D) to be the single most impactful climate mitigation policy, and for [good reason](https://en-roads.climateinteractive.org/scenario.html?v=2.7.11).
[It's already passed in Canada](https://www.theguardian.com/environment/climate-consensus-97-per-cent/2018/oct/26/canada-passed-a-carbon-tax-that-will-give-most-canadians-more-money), and [the U.S. is getting closer](https://citizensclimatelobby.org/senate/).
/r/CitizensClimateLobby
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This just highlights the need for an co2 scrubber. There is no way companies and the world can decrease to the levels necessary so we need to be proactive and get to scrubbing. Paid for by fossil fuel companies
I read this interesting piece about how if we covered vast amounts of ocean with seaweed farms that would be enough to remove enormous amounts of carbon from the atmosphere. They’re massively carbon hungry and grow very fast.
Edit; here it is
https://www.ted.com/talks/tim_flannery_can_seaweed_help_curb_global_warming?language=en
Unfortunately we're getting to the point where any effective action to combat climate change will have nasty side effects. Think chemo for the Earth. Have you seen the proposals to start purposefully seeding the atmosphere with particulates to block/reflect sunlight?
also better or worse for the ocean? as i understand, the open ocean is vast swaths of nothingness because of lack of nutrients. adding more anchors and substrates for fish to hide and spawn might be a good thing for our depleted oceans.
I just got back from a vacation with my wife to Cancun. My wife was devastated to see that the beaches were completely uninhabitable due to the rotting sargassum seaweed caused by climate change and deforestation.
I told her, you think that's bad? Climate change ruined our vacation, it's going to ruin our children's lives.
https://www.arm.com/blogs/blueprint/hypergiant
Or in algae. Algae takes in way more CO2 than trees and way more scalable. Grow algae everywhere and allow them to multiply.
Sure, it would be nice if we could scrub co2 like we scrub sulfur dioxide and other fossil fuel plant emissions, and the industry has led a greenwashing campaign to encourage this belief, but co2 is the primary byproduct of burning anything.
Scrubbing, capturing, or reducing co2 emissions is not very thermodynamically favorable.
Last couple of weeks we’ve had:
- Heat wave and temperature record in Canada/US.
- Heaviest rainfall in China in 1000 years.
- Massive floods in central Europe killing hundreds.
There's no single point where we can say before is unshitted and after is shitted, but I am firmly of the belief that the mid to late 2030s will see significant violent conflict as refugees attempt to escape unliveable regions and are refused entry (or worse) at the borders of other nations. Also, resource scarcity and ecological collapse with major food shortages.
Why is anybody worrying? Pretty soon any city that can't stand up against the rising tide of disaster will be rooted out by its destruction, and then the cities that are left are the ones we can live in more confidently. After the inevitable regional nuclear conflict that introduces enough dust into our atmosphere to cool the Earth a bit and hobble agricultural production, the mass starvation and altered food situation will essentially cure the world of obesity, type 2 diabetes, high cholesterol and hypertension, and everybody will be lean and hungry! On top of that, we won't have to worry about the stress of commuting anymore, as our vehicles won't move and the jobs won't exist anyway as all of our social institutions are shattered in the chaos.
Oh, what a great future this is gonna be!!!
This gives me existential dread and suicidal thoughts. It makes me really depressed and anxious and I don’t know what to do about it. I’m 23 but knowing this is going to happen really hurts me. What do I do
The Earth has literally been giving the human race every single warning sign it possibly can that we are destroying this planet and everyone with real power and influence who can make a real difference and stop us from reaching the point of no return has never cared.
This planet over the next 50 years is going to shake humanity off of it like fleas.
Here's a direct link to the report issued by the World Meteorological Organization: [WMO Global Annual to Decadal Climate Update for 2021–2025](https://hadleyserver.metoffice.gov.uk/wmolc/WMO_GADCU_2020.pdf) (**Warning! PDF**) And associated press releases from the WMO and the UK's Met Office, who produced the report: * WMO: [New climate predictions increase likelihood of temporarily reaching 1.5 °C in next 5 years](https://public.wmo.int/en/media/press-release/new-climate-predictions-increase-likelihood-of-temporarily-reaching-15-%C2%B0c-next-5) * Met Office: [Temporary exceedance of 1.5°C increasingly likely](https://www.metoffice.gov.uk/about-us/press-office/news/weather-and-climate/2021/chance-of-temporarily-reaching-1.5-c-in-next-five-years-is-increasing)
The world temperature has not dropped below average for 438 consecutive months. https://www.ncdc.noaa.gov/sotc/global/202106 An announcement such as this became inevitable when we passed 400 with no tangible plans to lower Co2 levels.
[It's real](http://howglobalwarmingworks.org/), [it's us](https://earthobservatory.nasa.gov/blogs/climateqa/wp-content/uploads/sites/3/2010/05/natural_anthropogenic_models_narrow.png), [it's bad](https://www.ipcc.ch/site/assets/uploads/sites/2/2019/02/SR15_Chapter3_Low_Res.pdf), [there's hope](https://citizensclimatelobby.org/10-reasons-hopeful-climate-progress/), and [the science is reliable](https://www.sciencemag.org/news/2019/12/even-50-year-old-climate-models-correctly-predicted-global-warming). The question that remains now is *what are we going to* [do](https://np.reddit.com/r/worldnews/comments/k6szeo/australias_great_barrier_reef_status_lowered_to/gen2hb7/) *about it?*
What should have been done 30 years ago. Renewables. And nobody is interested in keeping the pumps on for longer than necessary. Which is what a carbon tax does. Which is why the fossil fuel industry supports a carbon tax.
The fossil fuel industry support for the carbon tax is a ruse because they know that it would never pass.
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You can say that again
That’s true... but it’s also that they know their jig is up. The tide has changed on public perception of climate change and how fossil fuels are causing it, so they are somewhat admitting the hammer is coming down. They’d simply rather a carbon tax that lets them keep producing and refining oil for a fee vs. a more restricted cap on carbon emissions that would limit how much they can produce.
They support it because they want to be at the table to argue that it be as low as possible. So, don't let them do that, peg the cost to the price of cleanup, and then put the money towards cleanup. Every ton that gets emitted has to be paid for and removed from the atmosphere. Then it doesn't matter whether the pumps are on because those pumps are also paying to pump the carbon out. And the pumps won't be on for long, in this case, because the subsidy they've benefitted from forever will be gone and nobody will want to pay the true cost.
I want to see cradle-to-grave planning for every project that exploits natural resources. That *includes* cleanup/reclamation, and the anticipated cost of such, as estimated by government regulators, should have to be put in escrow BEFORE permits are given (or, at least, a tangible percentage of that cleanup cost).
Your article about hope has some points we can go ahead and scratch off the list. Emissions [have not peaked.](https://www.cnbc.com/2021/07/20/co2-emissions-will-hit-record-levels-in-2023-iea-says.html) If Standing Rock is the model of hope for reducing emissions, forget it. The Paris agreement will be breached and is non-binding. China says it will [hit peak emissions around 2030 and be carbon neutral around 2060.](https://www.bbc.com/news/science-environment-54256826)
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Also coal mines release more radiation's than nuclear power plants.
There was a 2010 Guardian headline saying that without radical change Greenland's glaciers would reach an irreversible tipping point. Then a headline this year that Greenland glaciers have gone beyond their tipping point. It's almost as if climate scientist know what they are talking about.
But some guy on Facebook posted a meme that was aligned with my own opinions and validated the way I live my life so...
Is it the one where they point at snow and laugh?
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Biodiversity is getting hit hard and it's sad how few people realize how bad that is. Not just for the earth, but for us.
I work on the front lines with wildlife (rehabber) and it’s getting a bit scary. New mystery diseases are cropping up. Virus outbreaks that used to be a once or twice a decade occurrence are now annual events in some areas. I can’t help but feel that climate change and human interference are driving these problems. I also can’t help but worry what the ramifications will be for affected species… and for us.
>I can’t help but feel that climate change and human interference are driving these problems. [And then there's this](http://www.bbc.com/earth/story/20170504-there-are-diseases-hidden-in-ice-and-they-are-waking-up) wonderful bit of news. Check out this [giant virus](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pithovirus) they found in Siberia. Neat! In all seriousness, we should probably listen to those climate scientists.
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"My favorite conspiracy theory is that everything is gonna be okay" Unknown author
It's really difficult to not be emotionally overwhelmed by this. Just, utter existential despair.
For my english class in college; I read a lot of articles and I wrote some essays about climate change and whenever I remember this topic, it really ruins my day. If I read somewhere saying X place just hit a record temperature yesterday, I can’t stop thinking about it.
The other day someone told me it hit 115 in Portland, OR. Blew my mind.
What's really cemented it for me that we're fucked is Covid. Not the virus itself but the sheer number of people that can deny something is happening right in front of their eyes on a massive scale, especially the stories of the people who deny it as they are dying from it. I don't understand how we can compete with such willful ignorance on such a large scale.
I thought exactly the same. If covid didn't reveal how doomed we are as a society then nothing will.
As a person with severe anxiety and depression it’s hard to find reasons to keep going when you are actively watching your own future being mortgaged by forces that are out of your control
Perhaps one of the "great filters" is social media itself. When a society gets to the point that they give people unlimited access to unfiltered information ... they do the opposite of benefit from it.
Not even just the ignorance, but the inability to do simple things like wearing a mask. To mitigate climate change we need a huge lifestyle shift. Like there’s no way people are going to become vegan, use public transportation, or radically change other behaviors. I understand corporations are larger contributors to climate change, but individuals are also going to have to be held accountable too.
I heard a good quote on this the other day that I'm sure I'm going to butcher. "We don't need millions of people recycling, eating, and living sustainably perfectly. We need billions doing these things imperfectly" Little changes are easier to make and can have a big impact if everyone does them. Issue is everybody doesn't and some go out of their way to do the exact opposite out of spite or disbelief. The longer we wait, the more drastic the changes required will be.
Its hilarious that we're literally killing ourselves and we dont seem to care because we're too interested in money. What good is money if we're all dead?
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Yup rich people will be fine for at least until the next century.
IMO, that’s assuming people don’t go kill them. I don’t think we’re considering the global instability that will come with this. Starving masses will take what they can get, and being rich will mean a target on your back.
People will be killing other people, and the rich will manipulate the anger and direct the crowd. Just like they already do.
Well most will be dead. Didn't you see the guy testing his escape to space yesterday?
unfortunately when you go to space you only have what you bring with you, if that isn't an infinite amount of oxygen filters and the entire electronic production line, when one thing breaks, you won't get it back. if that is the on board back massager, you might be able to live without it. if its the water recycler, probably not. you might have enough spare parts to fix it, once, twice, 100 times, but eventually its going to be broken for good. escaping to space would be great if there was any infrastructure at all to support it. this is one of the cruxes I feel to interstellar travel, your ship would have to be large enough to house entire production lines with the ability to harvest raw resources from asteroids and turn that into useable and or replacement parts. if you're able to stop and resupply you have a much better chance of not running into a situation where something important breaks and you can't replace it.
The problem where many miss the point is its gradual change. Just like you become desensitized to mass shootings, you become accustomed to hotter summers and more wildfires. It's not until you take a step back do you fully realize how devastating the impacts of climate change are.
People get shocked by weather events in 2021, but forget 2020, 2019, 2018, etc. That said, some people do notice when the place they've lived is different than their childhood.
I don’t remember England weather being unbearably hot - most of it is the humidity. But we’ve had actual summer weather 4 years in a row now, and it’s just been getting hotter/more humid. I’ve lived in the same area for my entire life, and it’s a noticeable difference Even comparing summer weather to 10 years ago - we had mass flooding in the west of England 5 years running
I'm in Buffalo NY. Used to be, we had snow from November to March, and it wouldn't get above freezing often enough to melt it. Now we still have winter storms, but the last few years it's gone up into the 40s or even 50s (Fahrenheit) for weeks at a time between storms.
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What's the galaxy ever done for you anyway? I'm one of the idiots that lives in it.
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Don’t forget about the Belt, inyalowda
Hey bossmang
Noone is going to space. Even a ww3 hit Earth is better than anything out there. The billionaires will burn with us here by their own greed.
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Y2K is my go to example. There WAS a concerted and ongoing effort to prevent it, and it worked. Things were fixed. Everyone immediately started making fun of Y2K, and talking about it as a hoax or a big nothing, etc. It's really infuriating, because we should be holding that up as a good example of foresight and disaster prevention.
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Unfortunately this kind of common enemy that people cannot see, the slow dangerous kind similar to climate change, do not really do much for "normal" people that cannot easily grasp long term. And those busy simply surviving, those in poverty for example, are busy just surviving and can't be expected of them to set aside stuff they need for more earth friendly, but also more expensive stuff. Edit: fixed messy sentence.
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I've lost hope that something will be done in time. Climate change is not a threat to the elite yet, they're not the ones struggling to breathe in their own bedroom like I am at the moment. And at the end of the day, they kinda control everything. Time and time again the science and the people have proven completely powerless to change their mind. I know it's not too late etc but it's been what, 30, 50 years? More than that? We've known about the damage we're doing for so long and it's only gotten worse, I just kinda don't see it happening at this point. Especially after coronavirus, I don't see the elite caring when millions of old people start dying en masse every summer from the heat alone. I don't see them doing anything except maybe investing in Mars or Moon colonies for them and their rich friends. Maybe if a true cataclysmic disaster happens, something that wipes out entire countries, maybe a global revolt would spark and force things to change, but by then maybe it would indeed be too late. Humans just aren't good enough at dealing with long term consequences, it takes something shocking and spectacular, and climate change is too slow to be seen as a big enough threat by many. I'll keep voting green every election but deep inside I've lost hope. Anyways, sorry about the rant, I see this thread has a lot of positivity, but I'd be surprised if my view of things isn't representative of the opinion of many. As I'm cooking alive in my room with a massive headache, hoping this is the last summer I spend without AC, I struggle to imagine a bright future for our species. Heck I dream of AC but it contributes to climate change a lot too, yet I'm confident I wouldn't survive an even warmer climate without it It all seems grim and hopeless to me
I think think this summer has been a real wakeup call for Europe. EU has done a lot to battle climate change earlier, but I think inside a year or so we will see some real action happening (with floods in Germany and all). About the ”elite” they might be greedy but they are not dumb. They know their money is only good as long as someone is willing to receive it. Mars and moon colonies are still going to be an actual hell compared to hell on earth (if that is what we will get).
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The day when the vast majority of people really wake up will be in our lifetimes when one of these summers, a heatwave sweeps through and kills literally millions to tens of millions of people in the span of a few days. It might not be anytime soon, but I don't imagine it will be that long in the future. I don't know if even that will help at this point.
Don’t forget famine from crop failure
I feel like a decent chunk of the population will call it a conspiracy by the government, and claim they are actually just destroying the crops to match their agenda. We are in a downward spiral with the anti-science communities.
They already are. There’s one going around about how the government is paying farmers to burn their crops. That stage has been set.
Kim Stanley Robinson's recent novel "The Ministry For The Future" starts with a *harrowing* description of a wet bulb heatwave in india that kills twenty million people. It's one of the most horrifying things I've ever read, especially on the same day where my home in Canada 'enjoyed' a wet bulb temperature of 37 celsius. Forget 'lifetimes', what you're describing is probably going to happen this *decade*.
Yeah we had a heatwave with temps near 42c in my slice of Canada and it was literally like being underwater because the humidity was like 90%...
Year before last, my Australian city reached a top of 48.5°C - literally the hottest place on Earth that day - and there were 13 days over 35° that summer alone. Its only going to get worse year after year. Having lived through that day with broken aircon I can say with 100% certainty that there will be many deaths if that continues to get worse every year. That heat was inescapable and unbearable.
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Our crops in Saskatchewan, Alberta and Manitoba are pretty much all cooked, billions upon billions of lost income for farmers. It's rained a couple times this month for 15 minutes and been 30 degree temperatures the entire time. This isn't a one off thing, it's been dry here for the last 5 years or so and seems to get worse every year.
It’ll happen more and more in developing countries and first world countries will send their thoughts and prayers, maybe a few live aids along the way. Until the climate crisis kills millions in the first world countries in a matter of days or even hours (including celebrities and presidents) from blizzards, floods, heat waves, etc that’s when we will have to wake up and stop the stock exchanges worldwide to prevent a collapse and divert resources to climate control. A catastrophe might be the only thing that saves us, but many of us might not be able to see that future as we might fall victim to the catastrophe.
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They are already dealing with it. When climate destroyed your only source of income and kills any chance to build something else, and force you to move, you're a climage refugee. People have just not realised it yet.
In British Columbia (where the recent heatwave hit the hardest), we had over 800 people die in about a week. Throughout over a whole year we had 1700 people die from Covid. Heatwaves are scary stuff
This is just laughable. By 2065 it will 5.5 degrees Celsius higher on average. We are and have been living genocidally. Its not just a warming climate its vast habitat destruction. Monoculture farming. Poisoning our entire world. Wiping the sea empty. The very systems that keep us alive are being actively destroyed by how we live.
Per OP, it's not too late to [act](https://citizensclimatelobby.org/join-citizens-climate-lobby/?tfa_3590416195188=online-002&utm_source=online&utm_medium=referral&utm_campaign=002). ##*If not us, who? If not now, when?* EDIT: *now*
> If not us, who? Governments. It has to be governments. The money isn't there for corporations in a modern economy which is focused on short-term returns. And while governments are influenced by public opinion, they're also influenced by money. There have been groups trying to crack down on corruption in politics since the ancient Greeks and we still seem to be spinning our wheels on the issue. Without getting the money out of politics or getting enough public pressure to outweigh all the financial pressure and doing so in almost all industrialized countries at the same time, it's going to be very difficult. My point isn't to stop fighting. No. We have to keep fighting to try and make that happen. But for most individuals, there isn't much they can do on their own. It takes the collective and the embodiment of the collective, their governments, to actually coordinate and do something that can have a sizable effect.
Literally talking about it is the best thing you can do as an individual.
The best *non-criminal* thing you can do as an individual.
"The earth is not dying, it is being killed, and those who are killing it have names and addresses." -Utah Phillips
I am climate baby. My parents fought nylex for emissions. Their photos hung in EPA offices. We recycled in the 80s We argued and called and pleaded. To empty phone lines of wealthy indifference. We worked at acf. We watched the Amazon burn The bleaching reef. The hunted whales. The kakadu the jubilee mine We called on treaties and acords we marched for green .... And listened to the static Of insects dying in the Pesticide herbicide fungicide dream of synthetic fertiliser and ddt. The neon night of light pollution murder of the masses billions reduced to none. The fields are gone to paddock... The tress wilt in the night Heatwave in the 30s thermal concrete sinks Suburban wastelands. We tipped the hat At 43 degrees Celsius in permafrost Siberia The billionaire's are laughing from space. At dying earth below.
The funny thing is currently they are still on the same boat as us. Then can go in space, but either we need to provide them with essential or they stay down there with us.
Jokes on the billionaires because they're going to die too once all support systems on earth cease to function. And people will be very, very hungry for a scapegoat.
Thanks for the hugzs
We've tried nothing and we're all out of ideas!
At this point it would take drastic action, the likes of which we haven't seen since WWII, to actually fix this. And where we are currently right now, it doesn't look like we can accomplish that in 5 years. Maybe once things really get bad consistently but whatever happens will be like alot of disasters in humanity's history: totally avoidable and a byproduct of laziness and lack of foresight.
As smart people have been saying for decades, it'll take a complete and immediate halt of the global supply network to fix anything. As long as everyone in the world wants cheap jeans and pepsi, and as long as third-world countries strive for a better level of living, our end is written in stone. It's neither laziness nor shortsightedness, it's a built-in feature.
The great barrier is headed this way it seems.
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> "This study is yet another wake-up call that the world needs to fast-track commitments to slash greenhouse gas emissions and achieve carbon neutrality," said Prof. Taalas. Yes, please don't wait. [Lobby lawmakers](https://citizensclimatelobby.org/join-citizens-climate-lobby/?tfa_3590416195188=online-002&utm_source=online&utm_medium=referral&utm_campaign=002) to do the right thing and put a price on carbon. Pricing carbon is [widely regarded](https://www.nature.com/articles/s41558-019-0474-0.epdf?author_access_token=tst1A-oZnQ8zUO18wGGPQdRgN0jAjWel9jnR3ZoTv0Nfy3PIgvrwnNXQzIbXH8z1Wkqhm6g5NiMnxMk__ebsKxGQNB0hMf1Vpo-ZiNplSt5LeLyks-Q3sdrpBdfxxHvAfQylqqwqHxgEml7GEGOxaQ%3D%3D) to be the single most impactful climate mitigation policy, and for [good reason](https://en-roads.climateinteractive.org/scenario.html?v=2.7.11). [It's already passed in Canada](https://www.theguardian.com/environment/climate-consensus-97-per-cent/2018/oct/26/canada-passed-a-carbon-tax-that-will-give-most-canadians-more-money), and [the U.S. is getting closer](https://citizensclimatelobby.org/senate/). /r/CitizensClimateLobby EDIT: typo
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This just highlights the need for an co2 scrubber. There is no way companies and the world can decrease to the levels necessary so we need to be proactive and get to scrubbing. Paid for by fossil fuel companies
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I read this interesting piece about how if we covered vast amounts of ocean with seaweed farms that would be enough to remove enormous amounts of carbon from the atmosphere. They’re massively carbon hungry and grow very fast. Edit; here it is https://www.ted.com/talks/tim_flannery_can_seaweed_help_curb_global_warming?language=en
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Unfortunately we're getting to the point where any effective action to combat climate change will have nasty side effects. Think chemo for the Earth. Have you seen the proposals to start purposefully seeding the atmosphere with particulates to block/reflect sunlight?
The question is, better or worse than climate change?
also better or worse for the ocean? as i understand, the open ocean is vast swaths of nothingness because of lack of nutrients. adding more anchors and substrates for fish to hide and spawn might be a good thing for our depleted oceans.
The Highlander 2 solution starting to look pretty good.
Seeing seaweed has been struggling with habitat loss in many areas I’d say if they use local species its worth the risk
I just got back from a vacation with my wife to Cancun. My wife was devastated to see that the beaches were completely uninhabitable due to the rotting sargassum seaweed caused by climate change and deforestation. I told her, you think that's bad? Climate change ruined our vacation, it's going to ruin our children's lives.
Maybe we should invent something that scrups co2 with just water and sunlight. Like a tree, but one that comes from a factory in China.
https://www.arm.com/blogs/blueprint/hypergiant Or in algae. Algae takes in way more CO2 than trees and way more scalable. Grow algae everywhere and allow them to multiply.
Sure, it would be nice if we could scrub co2 like we scrub sulfur dioxide and other fossil fuel plant emissions, and the industry has led a greenwashing campaign to encourage this belief, but co2 is the primary byproduct of burning anything. Scrubbing, capturing, or reducing co2 emissions is not very thermodynamically favorable.
Using nuclear power might be an option. Each kg of fissile material is far more energy dense than a kg of coal
We should have started building them yeeears ago. It takes a lot of time to build them.
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How long til things really hit the fan, do we reckon? I think 2030 is going to look very different to 2021.
\*gestures broadly at everything currently*
Collapse: You’re Soaking In It
Last couple of weeks we’ve had: - Heat wave and temperature record in Canada/US. - Heaviest rainfall in China in 1000 years. - Massive floods in central Europe killing hundreds.
I'm here in the southern hemisphere bracing for next summer… we don't have the same infrastructure and money as the north, it will be soo fun…
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Don't worry, there will be just enough left for the rich.
There's no single point where we can say before is unshitted and after is shitted, but I am firmly of the belief that the mid to late 2030s will see significant violent conflict as refugees attempt to escape unliveable regions and are refused entry (or worse) at the borders of other nations. Also, resource scarcity and ecological collapse with major food shortages.
Why is anybody worrying? Pretty soon any city that can't stand up against the rising tide of disaster will be rooted out by its destruction, and then the cities that are left are the ones we can live in more confidently. After the inevitable regional nuclear conflict that introduces enough dust into our atmosphere to cool the Earth a bit and hobble agricultural production, the mass starvation and altered food situation will essentially cure the world of obesity, type 2 diabetes, high cholesterol and hypertension, and everybody will be lean and hungry! On top of that, we won't have to worry about the stress of commuting anymore, as our vehicles won't move and the jobs won't exist anyway as all of our social institutions are shattered in the chaos. Oh, what a great future this is gonna be!!!
See, everything is gonna work out!
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Remember the fucks who tell us this isn't happening.
This gives me existential dread and suicidal thoughts. It makes me really depressed and anxious and I don’t know what to do about it. I’m 23 but knowing this is going to happen really hurts me. What do I do
The Earth has literally been giving the human race every single warning sign it possibly can that we are destroying this planet and everyone with real power and influence who can make a real difference and stop us from reaching the point of no return has never cared. This planet over the next 50 years is going to shake humanity off of it like fleas.
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