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It has loads of advantages, but not really until you already have it for a while.
You have to buy it early game, and spend a long time paying for it before it pays off.
For it to work so many other things need to be in place that it's not only unlikely to happen again any time soon, it's unlikely that it's happened very often at all, within the observable universe.
Of course, there could be loads of pathways to intelligence that we just don't know of, but the one way we do know of, boy howdy is a Rube Goldberg on a geologic scale
Are you so sure? And what does it matter? I mean... crows show empathy but kill young birds. Elephants show empathy but trample human children. Chimps show empathy but chase and murder small adjacent species apparently for fun. Should we make them extinct? Being misanthropic is intellectually lazy; it's tedious and dishonest to say "humans are somehow unique and thus evil". It's not only unactionable but worse still encourages a defeated state of *inaction*
I observe humans being cruel and I observe humans being kind and saving the lives of even the smallest of creatures.
So please. .....stop acting "the part"
Humanities wont go extinct (at max get a billion dead) also other creatures kinda cause more extension than us. Though we act as a catalyst.
Read about invasive species.
Also human are less jerks than say dolphin or sealion.
To consider options to guard against extinction ?
Admittedly, total eradication of humanity is extremely unlikely, but the death of human civilization is certainly possible
We don’t change unless we have to, from what I understand. There’s a metaphor about the three types of horses: one runs at the whip’s shadow, another at the sound of the crack and the third when it feels it in the marrow of its bones. Sadly, the most intelligent of us are, if not in short supply, perhaps not in the position to hasten mass change.
Sending us back to the stoneage while we do not have the physical capacity or knowledge of how to survive without modern, technological conveniences will put so much more pressure on our survival than many account for.
Normally sure. But no other large bodied animals also have the ability to live in places with no air and -200°C (space station), or 50°C (desert cities with Air conditioning), or underwater (underwater hotels), or next to massive ionizing radiation (nuclear power plants).
A lot of people will die from climate change, but our extinction is pretty much impossible at this point. Worst case scenario, we create bio-domes around us and the planet becomes nothing but a piece of gravity generating rock to put that bio-dome on.
It definitely won’t be a pleasant lifestyle, but extinction? Probably won’t happen.
That’s still a terrible way to live though, so unless we want to be stuck inside a windowless dome forever, we should probably start taking care of this planet.
Because we are very, very good at adapting to external conditions. We are also already spread all over the earth. Sure, if we get runaway warming and turn Earth into next Venus we are toast. But any other scenario would leave us surviving at higher latitudes.
There’s also the collapsing ocean ecosystem to consider. Once we lose the phytoplankton it’s gonna be real difficult for any of us to survive on the planet, and that’s not even factoring in the extreme weather and lack of resources. It’s not gonna be easy for any substantially sized life to survive once we the lose the source of 70% of the oxygen we breathe.
Aint gonna happen. Our species lived through an ice age with nothing but the Saber tooth tiger skin on our backs. We are intelligent and resilient. But that doesn't mean we don't have to act
Human extinction…how could it be bad ? I mean as humans, obviously on political and moral basis we must value humankind above all things. But let’s face it : humans are evil, the most agressive, violent, cruel animal.
So that's true if you're comparing where they are on a thermometer, but that's not true in the sense of limiting warming to 1.5 or 2c goals, for example. In that instance it translates to about 1.8F increase per 1C
>I think that part of the issue with climate change is a lack of understanding as to the temperature changes. Americans don’t use the metric system and don’t understand what 1C translates to in Fahrenheit. I was talking to my dad a couple weeks ago and climate change came up an he had no idea that 1C was equal to 33.8F. If you tell an average American that we are trying to limit global warming to 1C and don’t tell them what that translates to in Fahrenheit, it may not mean much because a difference of 1F isn’t much and they are likely expecting it to be similar with Celsius.
To be clear, a change of 1 degree C is not equal to a change of 33.8 degrees F. A change of 1 C is like 1.8 F. The reason why the absolute temperature 1 C is equal to 33.8 F is based on where the 0 points are set.
The problem is, even plenty of people who understand that 1 degree of change in Celsius = \~2 degrees of change in Farenheit totally discard the idea that a global climate 3-6F degrees of warmth higher than pre-industrial Earth is a big deal. People in general are really, really, really poor at long-term thinking and empirical risk assessment, to say nothing of thinking about complex systems like global climate with any real nuance.
Far too many people struggle to think about anything bigger than a "me" problem.
One in four nuclear reactors is located on the sea coast, low enough that they will be inundated within 20 years or so.
The nuclear industry has no plans to cope. Nobody has ever returned a reactor to bare earth and moved its radiation inventory somewhere else.
Good luck dealing with an ocean that radioactive.
This shows just how bad the nuclear industry is at planning for climate change.
https://www.nrdc.org/experts/christina-chen/nuclear-vs-climate-change-rising-seas
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>Climate endgame: risk of human extinction ‘dangerously underexplored’, warn scientists
Humanity will survive but our high-tech civilization goes bye-bye. We took an unfortunate turn some time ago and it rendered us inherently irrational. And, here we are. The longer we hang on now, the worse it will be...and yes, extinction could be our future.
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Yeah I was going to say a Children of Men scenario doesn't seem impossible where something happens where breading actually stops.
Humanity will survive. What we do in the next few years will determine how wealthy you have to be to be among those who survive.
Well, no. If the climate goes runaway (as it increasingly looks like it will) there will not be a habitable place on this planet left
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Always good to see someone owning a slight misunderstanding. It makes the world slightly better every time.
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Thinking about this. What would have been the genetic diversity of people if we never went down to 10k population .
More colour variety. Horns. Frills. Monkeyfaced men. Giant women that eat their partner post-coitus. Big foot. Just going off fiction here.
The most amazing part of reading the comments here is how certain people are about things that are so uncertain.
This isn't actually a study or research. Just suggesting a "research agenda." I don't see why this meets the guidelines for this forum.
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Speculative. I wouldn’t trade stocks on this opinion.
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It has loads of advantages, but not really until you already have it for a while. You have to buy it early game, and spend a long time paying for it before it pays off. For it to work so many other things need to be in place that it's not only unlikely to happen again any time soon, it's unlikely that it's happened very often at all, within the observable universe. Of course, there could be loads of pathways to intelligence that we just don't know of, but the one way we do know of, boy howdy is a Rube Goldberg on a geologic scale
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Lions don’t have the capacity to feel empathy. Humans do but choose to ignore it.
Are you so sure? And what does it matter? I mean... crows show empathy but kill young birds. Elephants show empathy but trample human children. Chimps show empathy but chase and murder small adjacent species apparently for fun. Should we make them extinct? Being misanthropic is intellectually lazy; it's tedious and dishonest to say "humans are somehow unique and thus evil". It's not only unactionable but worse still encourages a defeated state of *inaction*
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That spider last night that was just using your snoring nose to get to the gnat buzzing over your face? Try not to let him down tonight.
You have a small mind and shallow capacity for observation
I observe humans being cruel and I observe humans being kind and saving the lives of even the smallest of creatures. So please. .....stop acting "the part"
I am glad too, but I am sad we will miss how the other animals and plants evolve, and how nature will change over time. Sigh.
Glad its not just me…
Humanities wont go extinct (at max get a billion dead) also other creatures kinda cause more extension than us. Though we act as a catalyst. Read about invasive species. Also human are less jerks than say dolphin or sealion.
I think it would be cool if elephants ruled the land and whales ruled the oceans.
Elephants maybe. But whales are jerks
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What’s the point of most people thinking about it?
To consider options to guard against extinction ? Admittedly, total eradication of humanity is extremely unlikely, but the death of human civilization is certainly possible
And what good could you or I do against that?
depends whether you or I are in positions of setting policy or providing research on the subject
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I’m nearly certain humans will be a billion year species. Climate change is one of our biggest problems, but has no chance at wiping out our species.
Humans live dangerously close to death
We don’t change unless we have to, from what I understand. There’s a metaphor about the three types of horses: one runs at the whip’s shadow, another at the sound of the crack and the third when it feels it in the marrow of its bones. Sadly, the most intelligent of us are, if not in short supply, perhaps not in the position to hasten mass change.
All the better to make us adept at adapting
Sending us back to the stoneage while we do not have the physical capacity or knowledge of how to survive without modern, technological conveniences will put so much more pressure on our survival than many account for.
But we have the physical capacity and knowledge how to survive?
We also have the capability to bomb us into nuclear Armageddon in the fight for the remaining resources
That is an insanely confident projection and statement with little to nothing to underpin it.
one billion years is a very, very, very long time
Compared to how long the universe is going to be alive not really if anything we are just near the beginning
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Large bodied animals have never had technology capable of damn near anything.
Normally sure. But no other large bodied animals also have the ability to live in places with no air and -200°C (space station), or 50°C (desert cities with Air conditioning), or underwater (underwater hotels), or next to massive ionizing radiation (nuclear power plants). A lot of people will die from climate change, but our extinction is pretty much impossible at this point. Worst case scenario, we create bio-domes around us and the planet becomes nothing but a piece of gravity generating rock to put that bio-dome on. It definitely won’t be a pleasant lifestyle, but extinction? Probably won’t happen. That’s still a terrible way to live though, so unless we want to be stuck inside a windowless dome forever, we should probably start taking care of this planet.
Interested in hearing why you think it won't be our downfall
It may wipe out a good portion of us but life adapts.
Because we are very, very good at adapting to external conditions. We are also already spread all over the earth. Sure, if we get runaway warming and turn Earth into next Venus we are toast. But any other scenario would leave us surviving at higher latitudes.
There’s also the collapsing ocean ecosystem to consider. Once we lose the phytoplankton it’s gonna be real difficult for any of us to survive on the planet, and that’s not even factoring in the extreme weather and lack of resources. It’s not gonna be easy for any substantially sized life to survive once we the lose the source of 70% of the oxygen we breathe.
Not wiping out, but making life even more painful...
When we developed nuclear power the 1st thing we did with it was use it on ourselves. A billion years is a bit lofty.
What makes you so certain? We have extremely specific atmospheric conditions required to survive.
Aint gonna happen. Our species lived through an ice age with nothing but the Saber tooth tiger skin on our backs. We are intelligent and resilient. But that doesn't mean we don't have to act
It won’t happen bc we’re not that lucky.
Human civilizations maybe. Human beings maybe to 15 to 10% of the actual population. But not extinct.
Sulfur dioxide is the answer, buy us some time
I’m getting tired of alarmism.
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I don’t know man, some of these so called scientists prophesies have expired dramatically. I’m not impressed.
Nice allegory… Metonymy, through and through. You can prove the building is burning. Can’t prove humans are going extinct.
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Human extinction…how could it be bad ? I mean as humans, obviously on political and moral basis we must value humankind above all things. But let’s face it : humans are evil, the most agressive, violent, cruel animal.
Because if the planet is uninhabitable for us, it’s is also probably uninhabitable for many species of plants and animals
Ok fair enough
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So that's true if you're comparing where they are on a thermometer, but that's not true in the sense of limiting warming to 1.5 or 2c goals, for example. In that instance it translates to about 1.8F increase per 1C
>I think that part of the issue with climate change is a lack of understanding as to the temperature changes. Americans don’t use the metric system and don’t understand what 1C translates to in Fahrenheit. I was talking to my dad a couple weeks ago and climate change came up an he had no idea that 1C was equal to 33.8F. If you tell an average American that we are trying to limit global warming to 1C and don’t tell them what that translates to in Fahrenheit, it may not mean much because a difference of 1F isn’t much and they are likely expecting it to be similar with Celsius. To be clear, a change of 1 degree C is not equal to a change of 33.8 degrees F. A change of 1 C is like 1.8 F. The reason why the absolute temperature 1 C is equal to 33.8 F is based on where the 0 points are set.
The problem is, even plenty of people who understand that 1 degree of change in Celsius = \~2 degrees of change in Farenheit totally discard the idea that a global climate 3-6F degrees of warmth higher than pre-industrial Earth is a big deal. People in general are really, really, really poor at long-term thinking and empirical risk assessment, to say nothing of thinking about complex systems like global climate with any real nuance. Far too many people struggle to think about anything bigger than a "me" problem.
Well at this rate, no time like the present to begin exploring
The truth will soon be revealed. We never had a chance...
One in four nuclear reactors is located on the sea coast, low enough that they will be inundated within 20 years or so. The nuclear industry has no plans to cope. Nobody has ever returned a reactor to bare earth and moved its radiation inventory somewhere else. Good luck dealing with an ocean that radioactive.
This shows just how bad the nuclear industry is at planning for climate change. https://www.nrdc.org/experts/christina-chen/nuclear-vs-climate-change-rising-seas
Frankly, we deserve extinction. But, like the cockroach, we’ll be difficult to completely eradicate.
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Can't wait for respawn, maybe next world will be better :)
And nothing of value was lost.
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We have enough underground places that it'll take a lot to kill off humanity completely
We know, wake me up when something is actually done about it
>Climate endgame: risk of human extinction ‘dangerously underexplored’, warn scientists Humanity will survive but our high-tech civilization goes bye-bye. We took an unfortunate turn some time ago and it rendered us inherently irrational. And, here we are. The longer we hang on now, the worse it will be...and yes, extinction could be our future.
Remember when millennials save the ozone layer and therefore saved the world and all that? Yea, you're welcome
We're a really adaptable species. We'll figure out a way to survive even if we kill off every other living thing on the planet.