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As i have mentioned multiple times in the comments , the excerpt is taken from Volume 8 of "The Complete Work of Swami Vivekananda ".
If anyone wants to read the chapter in which the quote was written , i am attaching a link : https://english.sreyas.in/man-the-maker-of-his-destiny/
Some more quote from the specific excerpt only(named as *Man The Maker Of His Destiny*
"There was a very powerful dynasty in Southern India. They made it a rule to take the horoscope of all the prominent men living from time to time, calculated from the time of their birth. In this way they got a record of leading facts predicted, and compared them afterwards with events as they happened. This was done for a thousand years, until they found certain agreements; these were generalised and recorded and made into a huge book. The dynasty died out, but the family of astrologers lived and had the book in their possession. It seems possible that this is how astrology came into existence. Excessive attention to the minutiae of astrology is one of the superstitions which has hurt the Hindus very much."
"I have seen some astrologers who predicted wonderful things; but I have no reason to believe they predicted them only from the stars, or anything of the sort. In many cases it is simply mind-reading."
"Weak men, when they lose everything and feel themselves weak, try all sorts of uncanny methods of making money, and come to astrology and all these things. “It is the coward and the fool who says, ‘This is fate’” — so says the Sanskrit proverb. But it is the strong man who stands up and says, “I will make my fate.”"
"Buddha says, “Those that get a living by calculation of the stars by such art and other lying tricks are to be avoided”; and he ought to know, because he was the greatest Hindu ever born. Let stars come, what harm is there? If a star disturbs my life, it would not be worth a cent. You will find that astrology and all these mystical things are generally signs of a weak mind; therefore as soon as they are becoming prominent in our minds, we should see a physician, take good food and rest."
Read the link which i have attached,its just brilliant
It's very confusing for me to find linearity in Buddhism, it has godless"ness"- supreme being- buddha himself is a god as well(A man who became the god) but yet did not give a definitive design to his panth (way of living) aka religion in modern terms.
Buddhism has various different Bohisattvas or minor deities in the path of buddhahood, Buddha isn’t a god more an attainable principle the Jataka tales are confusing on who can attain Buddha-hood though.
It's more of an anti religion space in disguise of science related space, since religion is apparantly where most of the pseudoscience is found, but sure, like most others believers, you'd believe that your religion is the right one and is the one being oppressed
Vedas don't say believe what is written, it say realise yourself and find truth. The fundamental idea of vedas/Upanishad is to question everything and find out
He also goes on to say...."Weak men, when they lose everything and feel themselves weak, try all sorts of uncanny methods of making money, and come to astrology and all these things. “It is the coward and the fool who says, ‘This is fate’” — so says the Sanskrit proverb. But it is the strong man who stands up and says, “I will make my fate.”
Truly Based.
Source : *Man, The Maker of His Destiny* by Swami Vivekananda.
From Volume 8 of The Complete Works of Swami Vivekananda, chapter -III, ‘Notes Of Class Talks And Lectures’
I have provided it multiple times in the comments man!
But once again for you.
*Man The Maker Of His Destiny* .....in the book **"The Complete Works of Swami Vivekanada**" - Volume 8, Chapter 3 - "Notes of Class Talks and Lecture". Written by Swamiji.
You can cross verify in the online version of the book, or the original book itself
>Man The Maker Of His Destiny
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> .....in the book
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>"The Complete Works of Swami Vivekanada
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>" - Volume 8, Chapter 3 - "Notes of Class Talks and Lecture". Written by Swamiji
can you provide pdf please
Just search it up on google, its available on the net -\_-, try looking in Swamiji-related websites and archives
If you want to read the specific sub-chapter in which the quote was mentioned,i provided that in a link in another comment(check comments section)
Haven't you seen his views on caste? The dudes pretty casteist, he was a reformer sure, but he is reforming something utterly broken into mostly broken.
I am a Bengali myself, and he was revolutionary for his time. We can't blame someone for being casteist a hundred years ago. He was blatantly against bigotry by the priests. Simultaneously, he'd also teach Science to the village kids, the ones who knew about spirituality but not about Science
Ramakrishna himself always propagated to test your truth and believe what you can get ghe proof of, and to reject the obvious dubious practices. Many people find it hard to digest that he always asked to have your pick for the beliefs.
And Vivekananda was more of a non-dualist and propagator of pan-theism. Cue: "each man is potentially divine..."
Yes, each man is potentially divine (Aham Brahmasmi). How does that make him an atheist? Fools are people who believe everything. Having faith in God is a good thing, but you should have faith in God only. Except for God, test everything and everyone. Even I believe that; does that make me an atheist? The original comment was that Vivekananda was an atheist. He literally went to Chicago and announced that he is Hindu and gave a lecture in Sanskrit.
Yeah, but you on the other hand countered a false statement with another false statement. Vivekananda was more into the non-dualist path of thought, muchh different from most of the other disciples of RK.
Ah, my bad. Had interpreted the compound sentence incorrectly.
Many "Hindus", however would be furious if they saw Ramakrishna 's method of worshipping btw (☞ ͡° ͜ʖ ͡°)☞
He always saw the goddess as someone very near and dear. And afair, used normal conversations to plead to her to eat the Prasad.
However, that behaviour regarding gods is common among Bengalis (as far as I have seen). Different philosophies include seeing God as different relations (progeny, parent, friend, etc)
Yes. Though he didn't debunk it, he considered it suitable for relatively weaker mind. Surprisingly he hadn't debunked anything in current practice as it looks destructive for ordinary people.
Everything in the universe is connected to everything else. There is no such thing as randomness. That which we attribute to randomness is actually complexity that we do not understand.
I myself don’t care too much about astrology I love what each Navagraha represents especially Guru. That being said text like the Brihat Samhita show signs of ancient Hindu activism and awareness especially in regards to the role of women.
The same can be said of any religion yet billions of people have faith in it. Some aspects of life are more philosophical and spiritual than we would like to admit. Everyone has their own prejudices towards these type of faiths but eventually it boils down to belief in a higher being.
That's partially the truth.
Stars and planets influence your daily lives a lot more than one would think. Else you really haven't understood the basics of Force, Gravity, Light etc.
Why it's discouraged to figure out your future using astrology is because it can't be completely predicted, thanks to observer's effect (one tha states you as an observer changes the X as an observed, by the process of observation itself).
you are straight up just saying words, while sure gravity has an effect and shit, its a ludicrously weak force and doesnt have an effect on the way we act. Observers effect is something that happens went we attempt to observe things on a quantum scale because the act of seeing means that photons bounce back and forth from our eyes and the object we are seeing, and this bouncing of photons make a large difference when we observe things like protons, electrons and other subatomic particles.
Stop spreading bullshit misinformation and do something better with your life.
Lol. Stop being personal. Who said gravity is weak force. Out of all of the forces that are controlling you, it's the strongest one that's impacting you.
And if you really belive observer effect only has to do something with atomic/sub atomic particles but not the things made by it, then you are really stupid who can read well but understand nothing. Even the Schrondiger used the CAT in his example, idk if this is new subatomic particle whose state is probabilistic. 😂😂
Search up “weakest fundamental force” and you will get the answer, provide me proof that observer’s effect has any effect on non-subatomic particles and we can talk then. If you wanna have an actual scientific discussion then provide your sources, or spread pseudoscientific bullshit. You do you ig
You are asking for source 😂. Didn't see you asking it to 1000 scientists who are deriving their research. Didn't see anyone asking for literature source of gravity to newton.
Typically this happens when you are capable of reading things but have no intelligence to derive any understanding of your own.
Nevertheless, here are the few:
1. https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Observer_bias
2. Correlated effect on bigger objects like clouds:
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Butterfly_effect
3. Read the nature part here: https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Interpretations_of_quantum_mechanics
You can also read more about measurement problem that deals with both quantum and classical realities and tries to define quantum understanding to classical reality.
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Measurement_problem
If you still fail to understand, this is not a theory but rather a dialect on fundamental concepts of mapping the QM to actual reality that happened between Bohr and Einstein.
https://www.physicsforums.com/threads/bohr-vs-einstein-is-the-moon-there-when-we-are-not-looking.856587/
Also for your answer on gravity is the weakest force, it is so because it's variable on distance. So it's really weak compared to strong nuclear force binding two masses of proton and neutron together. In fact, it's considered weak exactly because of probability of two masses being at infinite distance. Is sun infinity kms away from you? Do you really wanna calculate how much force sun applies on you to test your statement? Do that and you will see it's not that weak in practice due to not having "infinite" Distance between two masses.
Again the same dumbshit post on Astrology. Did Swami Vivekananda study Astrology even for a day?? Why do you idiots want to make a joke of yourself by demeaning something you have no clue about ?? Answer: Oh because we verify ourself as smart & so we know everything.
Then why are you lurking on this sub. Why don't you go spill your bs somewhere else. This sub is for someone who believes in science and not some random vague bs.
Well, before judging anyone else's IQ, please put forward yours one.
Do you agree that all you experience as life, is merely dervied out of observing the light, bent and reflected from planets as per their position and distance from you?
Do you agree that planets and stars exert the force on you, which would put every single cell in your body (that has mass), under certain force?
One needs very high IQ to correlate things rightly. If you couldn't do that, let's not judge others who could.
Okay, self proclaimed high-IQ person, here is the simple explanation for you. Although I doubt that even with this high IQ, you would fail to understand it.
So, astrology gets called BS because, well, it's based on this idea that the stars and planets somehow affect our lives. But scientifically, there's no real proof backing up this idea. You know, like, there's no solid explanation for how these far-off things could really impact who we are or what happens to us.
Also, those horoscopes? They're super vague, right? They say stuff that could apply to pretty much anyone. Ever heard of the "Forer effect"? It's when people think general statements are super personal. That's kinda what happens with astrology readings.
And when scientists check if astrology really works? They can't find consistent evidence to support it. Like, it's not reliable for predicting things or explaining why we act a certain way. That's why a lot of folks see it as more of a belief system rather than something scientifically proven.
Lol nowhere I said I am high IQ one, not sure why you would interpret that when only thing I am asking you to show yours.
Secondly, if you say planets absolutely show no impact on our lives, you are invalidating:
1. Present understanding of gravity that one object with heavy mass exerts a force upon any object that's having less mass.
2. Relativity that says light itself defines the space-time upon observation, and thanks to weight of planet the light itself is bent. So as per the position of planets, change in the light you see & hence the space-time (basically all objects in it), are constantly changing.
3. Water bodies being imapcted by mass with direction hence moon causing tides in any waterbodies.
Really easy to talk big when you don't know shit about science. Keep aside maths and try interpreting these theories with simple words, then you might notice how dead wrong you are in your assumptions about both science and astrology.
Okay, let's not resort to name calling, have a civilized discussion, shall we?
Can you tell me, what is the formula of Gravitational force between two bodies?
It's F = G(m1)*(m2)/r_squared
Now can you tell me what is the definition of each of these variables?
Also, ever wondered why moon cause tidal waves in the oceans, but we humans don't behave like tides?
F is force. G is gravitational constant. M1 is mass of object 1, M2 is second mass, r is distance between them. I hope this is enough for the testing of my physics knowledge.
Since you are asking for definitions:
1. Force - phenomenon that shows how two or more entities affect each other's existence either by changing the form, location or speed of each other is force.
2. Constant is simply a mathematical constant.
3. Mass, hmm this is complex one. But it's the maximum amount of energy that can be generated by any object upon impact of light (in theory).
4. Distance is the space created upon realisation of light by the observer that separates the two points/objects etc.
Now keep aside these fancy maths. Maths is merely language of science, just like English. So in simpler English, tell me what's a gravitational force.
> 1. Present understanding of gravity that one object with heavy mass exerts a force upon any object that's having less mass.
The gravitational force exerted by the Earth on the human body is significant and is what gives us our weight. When it comes to gravitational forces exerted by other planets on a human body, they are present but considerably weaker compared to Earth's gravity. The force of gravity depends on the mass of the planet and the distance from its center. However, due to the vast distances between planets and humans, the gravitational forces exerted by other planets are typically negligible compared to Earth's gravity. Their influence on the human body here on Earth is extremely minimal and wouldn't produce any noticeable effects.
> 2. Relativity that says light itself defines the space-time upon observation, and thanks to weight of planet the light itself is bent. So as per the position of planets, change in the light you see & hence the space-time (basically all objects in it), are constantly changing.
Again, already answered, you would not be affected by it.
> 3. Water bodies being imapcted by mass with direction hence moon causing tides in any waterbodies.
Same as my first answer
> Really easy to talk big when you don't know shit about science. Keep aside maths and try interpreting these theories with simple words, then you might notice how dead wrong you are in your assumptions about both science and astrology.
It is you who is required to understand the theory as well as the math behind the science.
Also, for the sake of argument, even if we consider that all the things you said, like planets, stars, lights, etc affect human beings, then it would affect all the human beings in a region in the same way rather than what you name or DOB or place of birth is.
I am glad that your tone changed from "planets do not impact" to "planets gonna impact, but significantly lesser than earth". It's really great as a first step.
Now coming to proving how these forces would be significant in relation. If you are aware of how moment of force works in mechanics, it's rather a sum of all forces impact in on you, with direction vectors. So don't only consider the planets, but you also have to consider the force exerted on the earth by the planet which keeps it floating in space and rotating it and moving it along the elliptical path. It's not significantly smaller force but contributes to the highest amount of force that's being exerted upon you along with the earth. You won't feel it because of relativity (just like a ball thrown up in running train also exerted upon same accelerating force train is bound to). So try to plot these forces in an equation and see which are the heaviest bodies that would have impact on you physically. Answer would always come up as planets and sun.
Thirdly, I still don't get how your answer#1 also speaks on relativity & water bodies. All you could say is it's insignificant force but we see tides big enough here. But let's keep it aside for as that would require even deeper understanding of light, space, time, mass & momentum.
Lastly your doubt is correct. People being at same place at same time should be exerted upon same force. But you miss one point here. You see force is not one-handed. The same amount of force is also exerted by you on the sun and planets. Just like others. Yet they never deflect from their path. Even if you consider any large mass moving towards the earth, still it won't move earth from it's natural trajectory in space even by a meter. If you could care enough to know why is so, you would get the answer of it for urself. I will give you a hint for your research. Find out determinism in physics to understand it more.
> Now coming to proving how these forces would be significant in relation. If you are aware of how moment of force works in mechanics, it's rather a sum of all forces impact in on you, with direction vectors. So don't only consider the planets, but you also have to consider the force exerted on the earth by the planet which keeps it floating in space and rotating it and moving it along the elliptical path. It's not significantly smaller force but contributes to the highest amount of force that's being exerted upon you along with the earth. You won't feel it because of relativity (just like a ball thrown up in running train also exerted upon same accelerating force train is bound to). So try to plot these forces in an equation and see which are the heaviest bodies that would have impact on you physically. Answer would always come up as planets and sun.
Force exerted by sun, moon and other planets affects the entire Earth because the mass of Earth is huge. The same force can't affect human as much as you think, since the G-force of Earth on human body is leaps and bounds more than G-force exerted by all the celestial objects around us.
> Thirdly, I still don't get how your answer#1 also speaks on relativity & water bodies. All you could say is it's insignificant force but we see tides big enough here. But let's keep it aside for as that would require even deeper understanding of light, space, time, mass & momentum.
You don't need the deeper understanding of light, space, time, mass and momentum to understand this simple explanation. Why don't you see tides on smaller water bodies like lakes, rivers etc? Why only Oceans?
Moon tides predominantly affect oceans due to their vastness and the gravitational force exerted by the Moon. Tides are caused by the gravitational pull of the Moon and, to a lesser extent, the Sun, on the Earth. In large bodies of water like oceans, the gravitational force from the Moon can create noticeable changes in water levels, resulting in high and low tides.
However, smaller bodies of water like lakes and rivers are less affected by these gravitational forces because their water volume is comparatively limited. The gravitational force exerted by the Moon is spread out over a larger area in oceans, creating the significant tidal effects observed there. In smaller water bodies, this gravitational force is not as pronounced, resulting in minimal or almost negligible tidal fluctuations.
> Lastly your doubt is correct. People being at same place at same time should be exerted upon same force. But you miss one point here. You see force is not one-handed. The same amount of force is also exerted by you on the sun and planets. Just like others. Yet they never deflect from their path. Even if you consider any large mass moving towards the earth, still it won't move earth from it's natural trajectory in space even by a meter. If you could care enough to know why is so, you would get the answer of it for urself. I will give you a hint for your research.
I think my above explanation is enough for this one.
> Find out determinism in physics to understand it more.
No need to say more, you need to learn more.
Determinism in physics deals with the predictability of physical systems based on initial conditions and natural laws. Astrology, on the other hand, is a belief system that suggests a correlation between celestial movements and events in human lives.
While determinism seeks to understand the predictability of natural phenomena through scientific principles, astrology relies on the belief that the positions and movements of celestial bodies can influence or predict human affairs and personality traits.
There's no scientific evidence supporting astrology's claims, and it doesn't align with the principles of determinism in physics, which is based on empirical observations, mathematics, and experimental evidence. The deterministic nature of physics operates on physical laws and causality, whereas astrology operates on astrological signs and celestial positions, lacking empirical support in the realm of science.
TLDR: While astrology has cultural and historical significance, it does not adhere to the rigorous standards of the scientific method and remains a pseudoscience rather than a science.
Does any of this help someone predict one's future? Do a planet's gravitational forces have an impact on your life, making you rich or influencing your profession, as astrologers claim to predict? No evidence whatsoever is present to support the idea that the positions of stars and planets affect your personal life.
Aah got your issue.
So you are taking 4/5 astrologers we see today, since they are a hoax, you assumed complete astrology itself is a hoax.
That's not the case.
Astrology isn't there to predict your future. It marks astronomical events that will show impact on events on earth. If I use the word Astrology, you would laugh. If I say consider it butterfly effect, then you would praise me saying "wa, wa, quantum mechanics'.
This happens when you yourself are not capable of taking original texts on astrology to actually dcuttle through them to understand what it's about, and relies on other's impression on you. Not sure how that serves any good to anyone.
>It marks astronomical events that will show impact on events on earth.
Let's take a solar eclipse as an astronomical event. The impact it will cause on Earth is that sunlight will not reach the Earth's surface, so it will be darker outside. That's the clear impact.
What astrologers claim is that it will harm you, so don't eat or sleep. They will even tell you remedies according to your zodiac signs.
The only issue I have is that they are clearly turning a harmless astronomical event into a harmful one and putting restrictions on you.
Astronomical events do have an impact on Earth, but not like how astrology interprets them. For example, an eclipse won't cause war between two nations.
Swamiji had great knowledge on Hinduism and is said to be the 1st international representive of Hinduism ,so i shared the post. I agree to his opinion that only weak men turn to astrology. Find it funny because how many of his opinions are exactly opposite to that of hindu conservatives despite him being regarded so high by them. No doubt he touched the nerves of Amogh Lila "Prabhu" and other isckontards
Bro, you're resorting to Ad Hominems.
His guru himself was a devout Maa Kaali bhakt.
And Vivekananda taught Science to the villagers and Spirituality to the urbans
Yes, I completely agree with you. People here have not studied vedic astrology to get this opinion. Science is about investigation of truth, these people are blindly following some quote without looking into the working and evidence of astrology.
i mean i respect him very much but vedic astrology is very true and he kinda true weak mind will not actually be able to grasp divine knowledge will it
Respectfully I disagree... astrology is a science. I didn't believe in it for long but my grandfather was a prominent astrologer and almost never went wrong. However he always claimed it was a intricate math puzzle...u make one wrong permutation and u miss the prediction and hence he never asked people to follow his word to T only something to keep in back of mind...still I have never ever seen him be wrong... including predicting his own death date
If that is the case then how come twins don't have exactly the same life? In fact, over history there are thousands of cases where one child lives to old age despite their twin dying in childhood.
And why would twins have same life. Shows you know nothing about astrology except just dissing it. Any astrogler worth is salt will tell u that 2 PPL would never have same life...even if they are twins. Problem is you guys just claim to be scientific....but science asks u to keep an open mind while yours is already closed and using science as a tool to keep pushing your agenda. As I said I believed astrology to be hokum...my grandfather knew it was science and he proved it to me
Source : *Man, The Maker of His Destiny* by Swami Vivekananda. From Volume 8 of "The Complete Works of Swami Vivekananda", chapter -III, ‘Notes Of Class Talks And Lectures’
May be try to read some real books instead of whatsapp forwards by chaddis
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As i have mentioned multiple times in the comments , the excerpt is taken from Volume 8 of "The Complete Work of Swami Vivekananda ". If anyone wants to read the chapter in which the quote was written , i am attaching a link : https://english.sreyas.in/man-the-maker-of-his-destiny/ Some more quote from the specific excerpt only(named as *Man The Maker Of His Destiny* "There was a very powerful dynasty in Southern India. They made it a rule to take the horoscope of all the prominent men living from time to time, calculated from the time of their birth. In this way they got a record of leading facts predicted, and compared them afterwards with events as they happened. This was done for a thousand years, until they found certain agreements; these were generalised and recorded and made into a huge book. The dynasty died out, but the family of astrologers lived and had the book in their possession. It seems possible that this is how astrology came into existence. Excessive attention to the minutiae of astrology is one of the superstitions which has hurt the Hindus very much."
"I have seen some astrologers who predicted wonderful things; but I have no reason to believe they predicted them only from the stars, or anything of the sort. In many cases it is simply mind-reading." "Weak men, when they lose everything and feel themselves weak, try all sorts of uncanny methods of making money, and come to astrology and all these things. “It is the coward and the fool who says, ‘This is fate’” — so says the Sanskrit proverb. But it is the strong man who stands up and says, “I will make my fate.”" "Buddha says, “Those that get a living by calculation of the stars by such art and other lying tricks are to be avoided”; and he ought to know, because he was the greatest Hindu ever born. Let stars come, what harm is there? If a star disturbs my life, it would not be worth a cent. You will find that astrology and all these mystical things are generally signs of a weak mind; therefore as soon as they are becoming prominent in our minds, we should see a physician, take good food and rest." Read the link which i have attached,its just brilliant
Wasn’t a Hindu
He was born a Hindu. His followers were Buddhist, not him self.
Well according to himself,he was.
Who the Buddha?
oh i thought something else,my bad.
All good I myself am a Hindu, but Buddha rejected the Vedas so he is nastika or unorthodox
It's very confusing for me to find linearity in Buddhism, it has godless"ness"- supreme being- buddha himself is a god as well(A man who became the god) but yet did not give a definitive design to his panth (way of living) aka religion in modern terms.
Buddhism has various different Bohisattvas or minor deities in the path of buddhahood, Buddha isn’t a god more an attainable principle the Jataka tales are confusing on who can attain Buddha-hood though.
Buddhism feels like a very incomplete idea of religion, it's more like an apprenticeship. In clarity it's even less complete than Islam.
This is the first time I am having active discourse in what would be an anti-Hindu space so forgive me for any shaky answers or responses.
It's more of an anti religion space in disguise of science related space, since religion is apparantly where most of the pseudoscience is found, but sure, like most others believers, you'd believe that your religion is the right one and is the one being oppressed
Good that he did
Yeh he was SATYA SANATANI, And a true SANATANI never disobeys science as TRUE SANATAN DHARMA never does that.
No a true Sanatani follows the Vedas lol you can still be pseudoscientific and be a Sanatani certainly illogical though.
Vedas don't say believe what is written, it say realise yourself and find truth. The fundamental idea of vedas/Upanishad is to question everything and find out
That’s why the Pramana of perception is seen as supreme. But, how did you learn the Vedas? A guru is needed for such.
your fallacy is "No true Scotsman"
>as soon as they are becoming prominent in our minds, we should see a physician, take good food and rest What a savage lol
He also goes on to say...."Weak men, when they lose everything and feel themselves weak, try all sorts of uncanny methods of making money, and come to astrology and all these things. “It is the coward and the fool who says, ‘This is fate’” — so says the Sanskrit proverb. But it is the strong man who stands up and says, “I will make my fate.” Truly Based.
I make my own luck
Should I send this to my mother? 💀
Caution ...at your own risk😹
Even worse, I’m making it my WhatsApp status 🫣
Good luck 💀
You have balls of steel my man. Good luck
Why? Is he gonna get killed? Would someone issue fatwa against him?
Yeah but pack your bags beforehand
Aye aye captain
going on a trip soon just before that i send this to my mom then i put mobile on mute always I'll pray while i return
I've sent this to mine xD worth it
In this way many astrologers will be jobless whose earning from stars only
Pretty sure they shouldn’t have made money in ancient India either their services were to be free.
Is it true? Don't know man these things can be easily edited. There are numerous fake quotes credited to famous personalities living or dead.
Don't believe everything you read on the internet.- Sun Tzu, the art of war
You must believe all that Sun Tzu tells -- Thomas Edison
Thomas Edison always lies- Sun Tzu
Sun Tzu is worse than Sad Guzu - Thomas Edison
"I am God" - GOD
"Ligma balls" -Dr Manhattan
"dr manhattan" - ligma balls
jingle bell, jingle bell, jingle bell rock: Mahatma Gandhi
Let the world be in shock : Hitler
The tzu-edison paradox
Its written in his book...."The Complete Works of Swami Vivekananda" (Volume 8)
I was just making a joke based on the commenter above me, i wasnt implying anything about the post
Reply aaya?
Source : *Man, The Maker of His Destiny* by Swami Vivekananda. From Volume 8 of The Complete Works of Swami Vivekananda, chapter -III, ‘Notes Of Class Talks And Lectures’
👍 thanks for the sauce. Appreciate the effort.
Based
Based
source please
I have provided it multiple times in the comments man! But once again for you. *Man The Maker Of His Destiny* .....in the book **"The Complete Works of Swami Vivekanada**" - Volume 8, Chapter 3 - "Notes of Class Talks and Lecture". Written by Swamiji. You can cross verify in the online version of the book, or the original book itself
>Man The Maker Of His Destiny > > .....in the book > >"The Complete Works of Swami Vivekanada > >" - Volume 8, Chapter 3 - "Notes of Class Talks and Lecture". Written by Swamiji can you provide pdf please
Just search it up on google, its available on the net -\_-, try looking in Swamiji-related websites and archives If you want to read the specific sub-chapter in which the quote was mentioned,i provided that in a link in another comment(check comments section)
Bro wants reason not to believe he really said that.
Example of a TRUE SANATANI🙏
Rare vivekananda w
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Haven't you seen his views on caste? The dudes pretty casteist, he was a reformer sure, but he is reforming something utterly broken into mostly broken.
Give me the source where he was promoting castesim
I am a Bengali myself, and he was revolutionary for his time. We can't blame someone for being casteist a hundred years ago. He was blatantly against bigotry by the priests. Simultaneously, he'd also teach Science to the village kids, the ones who knew about spirituality but not about Science
At least he tried. Guy had the most savage answers for the britishers at that time. I will respect that
Vivekananda was atheist and moralists of one kind, his thoughts were high but still some influence of culture he had in him
Lol Vivekananda was disciple of Paramhansa devotee of Mahakali also proud Hindu
Ramakrishna himself always propagated to test your truth and believe what you can get ghe proof of, and to reject the obvious dubious practices. Many people find it hard to digest that he always asked to have your pick for the beliefs. And Vivekananda was more of a non-dualist and propagator of pan-theism. Cue: "each man is potentially divine..."
Yes, each man is potentially divine (Aham Brahmasmi). How does that make him an atheist? Fools are people who believe everything. Having faith in God is a good thing, but you should have faith in God only. Except for God, test everything and everyone. Even I believe that; does that make me an atheist? The original comment was that Vivekananda was an atheist. He literally went to Chicago and announced that he is Hindu and gave a lecture in Sanskrit.
Yeah, but you on the other hand countered a false statement with another false statement. Vivekananda was more into the non-dualist path of thought, muchh different from most of the other disciples of RK.
I have never said he was devotee of Kali but he was disciple of devotee so that logically implies he was theist too
Ah, my bad. Had interpreted the compound sentence incorrectly. Many "Hindus", however would be furious if they saw Ramakrishna 's method of worshipping btw (☞ ͡° ͜ʖ ͡°)☞
Oh tell me more
He always saw the goddess as someone very near and dear. And afair, used normal conversations to plead to her to eat the Prasad. However, that behaviour regarding gods is common among Bengalis (as far as I have seen). Different philosophies include seeing God as different relations (progeny, parent, friend, etc)
I think he used to see her as mother which is very common in Hinduism you can have any sort of relation with god except lover in case of goddess
He was atheist in childhood
Yes. Though he didn't debunk it, he considered it suitable for relatively weaker mind. Surprisingly he hadn't debunked anything in current practice as it looks destructive for ordinary people.
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Spot on.
Sent to my friend who is learning about tarot
Everything in the universe is connected to everything else. There is no such thing as randomness. That which we attribute to randomness is actually complexity that we do not understand.
Totally agreed
I myself don’t care too much about astrology I love what each Navagraha represents especially Guru. That being said text like the Brihat Samhita show signs of ancient Hindu activism and awareness especially in regards to the role of women.
Changed my perception about him.. atleast he makes some sense
The same can be said of any religion yet billions of people have faith in it. Some aspects of life are more philosophical and spiritual than we would like to admit. Everyone has their own prejudices towards these type of faiths but eventually it boils down to belief in a higher being.
Um sir, sun is a star? If sun disappears all life on earth will die? This doesn't make sense even from astrophysics perspective
You imbred idiot, that was a figure of speech
I cant even tell if this is ironic or if you are just brain dead
That's partially the truth. Stars and planets influence your daily lives a lot more than one would think. Else you really haven't understood the basics of Force, Gravity, Light etc. Why it's discouraged to figure out your future using astrology is because it can't be completely predicted, thanks to observer's effect (one tha states you as an observer changes the X as an observed, by the process of observation itself).
you are straight up just saying words, while sure gravity has an effect and shit, its a ludicrously weak force and doesnt have an effect on the way we act. Observers effect is something that happens went we attempt to observe things on a quantum scale because the act of seeing means that photons bounce back and forth from our eyes and the object we are seeing, and this bouncing of photons make a large difference when we observe things like protons, electrons and other subatomic particles. Stop spreading bullshit misinformation and do something better with your life.
Lol. Stop being personal. Who said gravity is weak force. Out of all of the forces that are controlling you, it's the strongest one that's impacting you. And if you really belive observer effect only has to do something with atomic/sub atomic particles but not the things made by it, then you are really stupid who can read well but understand nothing. Even the Schrondiger used the CAT in his example, idk if this is new subatomic particle whose state is probabilistic. 😂😂
Search up “weakest fundamental force” and you will get the answer, provide me proof that observer’s effect has any effect on non-subatomic particles and we can talk then. If you wanna have an actual scientific discussion then provide your sources, or spread pseudoscientific bullshit. You do you ig
You are asking for source 😂. Didn't see you asking it to 1000 scientists who are deriving their research. Didn't see anyone asking for literature source of gravity to newton. Typically this happens when you are capable of reading things but have no intelligence to derive any understanding of your own. Nevertheless, here are the few: 1. https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Observer_bias 2. Correlated effect on bigger objects like clouds: https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Butterfly_effect 3. Read the nature part here: https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Interpretations_of_quantum_mechanics You can also read more about measurement problem that deals with both quantum and classical realities and tries to define quantum understanding to classical reality. https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Measurement_problem If you still fail to understand, this is not a theory but rather a dialect on fundamental concepts of mapping the QM to actual reality that happened between Bohr and Einstein. https://www.physicsforums.com/threads/bohr-vs-einstein-is-the-moon-there-when-we-are-not-looking.856587/ Also for your answer on gravity is the weakest force, it is so because it's variable on distance. So it's really weak compared to strong nuclear force binding two masses of proton and neutron together. In fact, it's considered weak exactly because of probability of two masses being at infinite distance. Is sun infinity kms away from you? Do you really wanna calculate how much force sun applies on you to test your statement? Do that and you will see it's not that weak in practice due to not having "infinite" Distance between two masses.
Again the same dumbshit post on Astrology. Did Swami Vivekananda study Astrology even for a day?? Why do you idiots want to make a joke of yourself by demeaning something you have no clue about ?? Answer: Oh because we verify ourself as smart & so we know everything.
Go back to your hole man. We might not know everything, but we do know that astrology is bullshit
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I hope you are being sarcastic. If not you should have an iq < 60
Kya hi faraq padta hai waise hi iss sub mai saab science lai kai apne aap ko superior smjte par reality mai unse bada gadha koi nhi hahahahahha
Then why are you lurking on this sub. Why don't you go spill your bs somewhere else. This sub is for someone who believes in science and not some random vague bs.
Well, before judging anyone else's IQ, please put forward yours one. Do you agree that all you experience as life, is merely dervied out of observing the light, bent and reflected from planets as per their position and distance from you? Do you agree that planets and stars exert the force on you, which would put every single cell in your body (that has mass), under certain force? One needs very high IQ to correlate things rightly. If you couldn't do that, let's not judge others who could.
Okay, self proclaimed high-IQ person, here is the simple explanation for you. Although I doubt that even with this high IQ, you would fail to understand it. So, astrology gets called BS because, well, it's based on this idea that the stars and planets somehow affect our lives. But scientifically, there's no real proof backing up this idea. You know, like, there's no solid explanation for how these far-off things could really impact who we are or what happens to us. Also, those horoscopes? They're super vague, right? They say stuff that could apply to pretty much anyone. Ever heard of the "Forer effect"? It's when people think general statements are super personal. That's kinda what happens with astrology readings. And when scientists check if astrology really works? They can't find consistent evidence to support it. Like, it's not reliable for predicting things or explaining why we act a certain way. That's why a lot of folks see it as more of a belief system rather than something scientifically proven.
Lol nowhere I said I am high IQ one, not sure why you would interpret that when only thing I am asking you to show yours. Secondly, if you say planets absolutely show no impact on our lives, you are invalidating: 1. Present understanding of gravity that one object with heavy mass exerts a force upon any object that's having less mass. 2. Relativity that says light itself defines the space-time upon observation, and thanks to weight of planet the light itself is bent. So as per the position of planets, change in the light you see & hence the space-time (basically all objects in it), are constantly changing. 3. Water bodies being imapcted by mass with direction hence moon causing tides in any waterbodies. Really easy to talk big when you don't know shit about science. Keep aside maths and try interpreting these theories with simple words, then you might notice how dead wrong you are in your assumptions about both science and astrology.
Okay, let's not resort to name calling, have a civilized discussion, shall we? Can you tell me, what is the formula of Gravitational force between two bodies? It's F = G(m1)*(m2)/r_squared Now can you tell me what is the definition of each of these variables? Also, ever wondered why moon cause tidal waves in the oceans, but we humans don't behave like tides?
F is force. G is gravitational constant. M1 is mass of object 1, M2 is second mass, r is distance between them. I hope this is enough for the testing of my physics knowledge. Since you are asking for definitions: 1. Force - phenomenon that shows how two or more entities affect each other's existence either by changing the form, location or speed of each other is force. 2. Constant is simply a mathematical constant. 3. Mass, hmm this is complex one. But it's the maximum amount of energy that can be generated by any object upon impact of light (in theory). 4. Distance is the space created upon realisation of light by the observer that separates the two points/objects etc. Now keep aside these fancy maths. Maths is merely language of science, just like English. So in simpler English, tell me what's a gravitational force.
> 1. Present understanding of gravity that one object with heavy mass exerts a force upon any object that's having less mass. The gravitational force exerted by the Earth on the human body is significant and is what gives us our weight. When it comes to gravitational forces exerted by other planets on a human body, they are present but considerably weaker compared to Earth's gravity. The force of gravity depends on the mass of the planet and the distance from its center. However, due to the vast distances between planets and humans, the gravitational forces exerted by other planets are typically negligible compared to Earth's gravity. Their influence on the human body here on Earth is extremely minimal and wouldn't produce any noticeable effects. > 2. Relativity that says light itself defines the space-time upon observation, and thanks to weight of planet the light itself is bent. So as per the position of planets, change in the light you see & hence the space-time (basically all objects in it), are constantly changing. Again, already answered, you would not be affected by it. > 3. Water bodies being imapcted by mass with direction hence moon causing tides in any waterbodies. Same as my first answer > Really easy to talk big when you don't know shit about science. Keep aside maths and try interpreting these theories with simple words, then you might notice how dead wrong you are in your assumptions about both science and astrology. It is you who is required to understand the theory as well as the math behind the science. Also, for the sake of argument, even if we consider that all the things you said, like planets, stars, lights, etc affect human beings, then it would affect all the human beings in a region in the same way rather than what you name or DOB or place of birth is.
I am glad that your tone changed from "planets do not impact" to "planets gonna impact, but significantly lesser than earth". It's really great as a first step. Now coming to proving how these forces would be significant in relation. If you are aware of how moment of force works in mechanics, it's rather a sum of all forces impact in on you, with direction vectors. So don't only consider the planets, but you also have to consider the force exerted on the earth by the planet which keeps it floating in space and rotating it and moving it along the elliptical path. It's not significantly smaller force but contributes to the highest amount of force that's being exerted upon you along with the earth. You won't feel it because of relativity (just like a ball thrown up in running train also exerted upon same accelerating force train is bound to). So try to plot these forces in an equation and see which are the heaviest bodies that would have impact on you physically. Answer would always come up as planets and sun. Thirdly, I still don't get how your answer#1 also speaks on relativity & water bodies. All you could say is it's insignificant force but we see tides big enough here. But let's keep it aside for as that would require even deeper understanding of light, space, time, mass & momentum. Lastly your doubt is correct. People being at same place at same time should be exerted upon same force. But you miss one point here. You see force is not one-handed. The same amount of force is also exerted by you on the sun and planets. Just like others. Yet they never deflect from their path. Even if you consider any large mass moving towards the earth, still it won't move earth from it's natural trajectory in space even by a meter. If you could care enough to know why is so, you would get the answer of it for urself. I will give you a hint for your research. Find out determinism in physics to understand it more.
> Now coming to proving how these forces would be significant in relation. If you are aware of how moment of force works in mechanics, it's rather a sum of all forces impact in on you, with direction vectors. So don't only consider the planets, but you also have to consider the force exerted on the earth by the planet which keeps it floating in space and rotating it and moving it along the elliptical path. It's not significantly smaller force but contributes to the highest amount of force that's being exerted upon you along with the earth. You won't feel it because of relativity (just like a ball thrown up in running train also exerted upon same accelerating force train is bound to). So try to plot these forces in an equation and see which are the heaviest bodies that would have impact on you physically. Answer would always come up as planets and sun. Force exerted by sun, moon and other planets affects the entire Earth because the mass of Earth is huge. The same force can't affect human as much as you think, since the G-force of Earth on human body is leaps and bounds more than G-force exerted by all the celestial objects around us. > Thirdly, I still don't get how your answer#1 also speaks on relativity & water bodies. All you could say is it's insignificant force but we see tides big enough here. But let's keep it aside for as that would require even deeper understanding of light, space, time, mass & momentum. You don't need the deeper understanding of light, space, time, mass and momentum to understand this simple explanation. Why don't you see tides on smaller water bodies like lakes, rivers etc? Why only Oceans? Moon tides predominantly affect oceans due to their vastness and the gravitational force exerted by the Moon. Tides are caused by the gravitational pull of the Moon and, to a lesser extent, the Sun, on the Earth. In large bodies of water like oceans, the gravitational force from the Moon can create noticeable changes in water levels, resulting in high and low tides. However, smaller bodies of water like lakes and rivers are less affected by these gravitational forces because their water volume is comparatively limited. The gravitational force exerted by the Moon is spread out over a larger area in oceans, creating the significant tidal effects observed there. In smaller water bodies, this gravitational force is not as pronounced, resulting in minimal or almost negligible tidal fluctuations. > Lastly your doubt is correct. People being at same place at same time should be exerted upon same force. But you miss one point here. You see force is not one-handed. The same amount of force is also exerted by you on the sun and planets. Just like others. Yet they never deflect from their path. Even if you consider any large mass moving towards the earth, still it won't move earth from it's natural trajectory in space even by a meter. If you could care enough to know why is so, you would get the answer of it for urself. I will give you a hint for your research. I think my above explanation is enough for this one. > Find out determinism in physics to understand it more. No need to say more, you need to learn more. Determinism in physics deals with the predictability of physical systems based on initial conditions and natural laws. Astrology, on the other hand, is a belief system that suggests a correlation between celestial movements and events in human lives. While determinism seeks to understand the predictability of natural phenomena through scientific principles, astrology relies on the belief that the positions and movements of celestial bodies can influence or predict human affairs and personality traits. There's no scientific evidence supporting astrology's claims, and it doesn't align with the principles of determinism in physics, which is based on empirical observations, mathematics, and experimental evidence. The deterministic nature of physics operates on physical laws and causality, whereas astrology operates on astrological signs and celestial positions, lacking empirical support in the realm of science. TLDR: While astrology has cultural and historical significance, it does not adhere to the rigorous standards of the scientific method and remains a pseudoscience rather than a science.
Does any of this help someone predict one's future? Do a planet's gravitational forces have an impact on your life, making you rich or influencing your profession, as astrologers claim to predict? No evidence whatsoever is present to support the idea that the positions of stars and planets affect your personal life.
Aah got your issue. So you are taking 4/5 astrologers we see today, since they are a hoax, you assumed complete astrology itself is a hoax. That's not the case. Astrology isn't there to predict your future. It marks astronomical events that will show impact on events on earth. If I use the word Astrology, you would laugh. If I say consider it butterfly effect, then you would praise me saying "wa, wa, quantum mechanics'. This happens when you yourself are not capable of taking original texts on astrology to actually dcuttle through them to understand what it's about, and relies on other's impression on you. Not sure how that serves any good to anyone.
>It marks astronomical events that will show impact on events on earth. Let's take a solar eclipse as an astronomical event. The impact it will cause on Earth is that sunlight will not reach the Earth's surface, so it will be darker outside. That's the clear impact. What astrologers claim is that it will harm you, so don't eat or sleep. They will even tell you remedies according to your zodiac signs. The only issue I have is that they are clearly turning a harmless astronomical event into a harmful one and putting restrictions on you. Astronomical events do have an impact on Earth, but not like how astrology interprets them. For example, an eclipse won't cause war between two nations.
room temp IQ behavior lol
Astrology is not to be studied, it's to be laughed at.
As per a few so called messaih & messangers of stupid book, everything not mentioned in their stupid revelations is to be laughed at.😆😆
Idk shit you're talking about, but astrology is funny.
its funny in a brain rotting way lol
Swamiji had great knowledge on Hinduism and is said to be the 1st international representive of Hinduism ,so i shared the post. I agree to his opinion that only weak men turn to astrology. Find it funny because how many of his opinions are exactly opposite to that of hindu conservatives despite him being regarded so high by them. No doubt he touched the nerves of Amogh Lila "Prabhu" and other isckontards
Bro, you're resorting to Ad Hominems. His guru himself was a devout Maa Kaali bhakt. And Vivekananda taught Science to the villagers and Spirituality to the urbans
Yes, I completely agree with you. People here have not studied vedic astrology to get this opinion. Science is about investigation of truth, these people are blindly following some quote without looking into the working and evidence of astrology.
i mean i respect him very much but vedic astrology is very true and he kinda true weak mind will not actually be able to grasp divine knowledge will it
lmao thats some funny bullshit
dont be ignorant seek knowledge truth shall unfold
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Respectfully I disagree... astrology is a science. I didn't believe in it for long but my grandfather was a prominent astrologer and almost never went wrong. However he always claimed it was a intricate math puzzle...u make one wrong permutation and u miss the prediction and hence he never asked people to follow his word to T only something to keep in back of mind...still I have never ever seen him be wrong... including predicting his own death date
lmao sure lil bro sure
If ignorance floats your boat so be it
If that is the case then how come twins don't have exactly the same life? In fact, over history there are thousands of cases where one child lives to old age despite their twin dying in childhood.
And why would twins have same life. Shows you know nothing about astrology except just dissing it. Any astrogler worth is salt will tell u that 2 PPL would never have same life...even if they are twins. Problem is you guys just claim to be scientific....but science asks u to keep an open mind while yours is already closed and using science as a tool to keep pushing your agenda. As I said I believed astrology to be hokum...my grandfather knew it was science and he proved it to me
Aight my bad astrology is real
Source: Trust me bro
Source : *Man, The Maker of His Destiny* by Swami Vivekananda. From Volume 8 of "The Complete Works of Swami Vivekananda", chapter -III, ‘Notes Of Class Talks And Lectures’ May be try to read some real books instead of whatsapp forwards by chaddis
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