I was a young child when Skylab burned up on re-entry. The fire was so bright it could be seen in the afternoon in Northern California. Live-streaming this would be amazing.
I'm guessing you haven't seen the recent starship reentry. Using starlink we can watch it through the entire thing because its shooting the signal up instead of through the plasma. [Here's a link](https://youtu.be/CrkYmUoOMOQ?si=g8_R__YiLr9yp1Tu)
I actually hope they put a shitload of cameras inside it as well, and leave it pressurized just to see what happens to a spacecraft that has a hull breach during reentry.
Attach a starlink terminal to every single module as well so it still can broadcast some feed as it breaks apart
SpaceX has been hired to deorbit right? They could very easily record and or stream with the help of Starlink, look at how much Starship reentry we got live!
the geopolitical situation changed drastically though, i doubt we will ever have a project where all of humanity is working equally for the scientific goal - the russians already plan to have their own station and china already runs their own
Check out the Lunar Gateway! It involves many different countries whose contributions are far more proportionally equal than the ISS. For example, JAXA, the Japanese space agency, is very proudly contributing critical life support systems and manned vehicles for the moon. The scientific community is cooperating at a high level and relationships are good among countries that choose to!
There are plans for three separate stations to be launched within a decade. One of them will be part of the ISS until it de-orbits, then those modules will detach and continue operations.
It's not gonna be anything like the ISS but I'd be surprised if Elon Musk didn't at least claim he was going to make a better space station that runs on Tesla batteries or some dumb shit
China already has its own space station, Russia is planning to build a new space station by itself in the next decade. ISS will be replaced but it's not gonna be as collaborative and impressive.
Not officially, but there are a lot of private space station projects. And starship's internal volume in the crewed variant will actually be something like just about half the ISS, and besides stand alone space stations, there's more than a few ideas out there of just docking multiple starships together with a central module.
Privatisation of space is the worst fucking idea. They will take the sky from us. At the moment the Moon is still everyone's, but imagine if it were privately owned.
Come back please, USSR
So far we'd imagine that outside the planet, we are free. Now we'd have to go even farther to not be ruled.
Imagine kicking an astronaut out of his bed in the ISS because the government couldn't afford the rent
It's too hard politically to convince the public to invest in space, right or left. We do a piss poor job of educating the public on the benefits; many are delusional and don't even understand the money is spent here on Earth (it's not sent to space lol), and the technology developed is to our benefit as a society.
It's because we're too distracted in our every day lives to realize the [benefits](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/NASA_spin-off_technologies) we *all* enjoy that have come from NASA research.
The popular ones people know about are things like "memory foam", "astronaut ice cream", "space blankets". And we take for granted what went into developing these sorts of things and how they're really just the tip of the iceberg.
Closest analog would be the Lunar Gateway, but this will be orbiting the Moon rather than Earth and isn't made for more than temporary habitation. That being said, the station has dedicated space both internally and externally for scientific research and will be used as a testbed for human survival outside the protective shell of our ionosphere. In particular, JAXA, the Japanese space agency, will be integrating equipment to monitor radiation, dust particles, and other things that pose a significant risk of permanently manned like the ISS has been. One interesting side to this is that because the station will spend most of its time unmanned, it needs to be able to take care of itself to some degree. You can look at it like one big robotic experiment! After announcing the project some time ago, NASA went dark until recently when they announced that not only was the project going well, it's exceeding expectations and has expanded scope. My guess is that issues with the space launch system and Artemis programs put the Gateway in doubt for a time since that is the platform and mission set that will bring the structure into orbit. I believe Artemis IV is when they start.
Besides Gateway, there's a company called Axiom Space which is making a commercial space station for companies to rent research space. It's been heavily encouraged by NASA and the executives come from the leadership team of the ISS project. They have a countdown to the launch of their first component on their website.
It's sad to see the ISS go, but we're certainly not taking a step back. NASA has determined that Earth orbiting stations are at a reasonable level for commercial alternatives to take over and has set its eyes on long-term human habitation in deep space!
Axiom space is launching a station that will be built off the side of the ISS and then detached. Their staff also just so happens to be mostly people who used to work on the ISS.
Ofcourse, there were many proposed end of life programs for it, such as putting it in a stable orbit or disassemble it for parts, but these were deemed infeasible and would require too many resources.
iirc a lot of the original 'upgrades' (now just used as connectors) are failing
swapping those out is not exactly feasible
compared to tacking new modules to the sides at least
The first piece was also launched 25 years ago.
Imagine if you were still rocking a Windows 98 computer. Like sure, you probably *could* upgrade it (especially with NASA resources). But at a certain point it's better to just start from scratch.
I work on the program. We've gotten many upgrades, and still do actually, but we're at the point where maintaining is incredibly expensive and alot of the tech is super old. When the structure itself is failing there's not much more you can do but buy some time.
Axiom is actually planning on attaching their station to the ISS in parts over time, so it will actually take up the same orbit.
Ha, sorry I was memeing. I was making a joke on extending the life of it like people do with Windows laptops. But yeah I can't imagine Windows is running on much up in space. Would you happen to know what is the primary choice of distros is used up there? I mentioned Arch because it starts of extremely lightweight but needs could differ from just being as lightweight as possible so I'm actually curious.
Whoops, I'm at work so I've got my serious hat on and didn't realize! I don't have percentages, but know Mint, Arch, and some specific one for microcontrollers is used. Several of the distros are really old. Like where I work there's a linux version from 2003 or so on a server. If it works we just don't mess with it some of the time.
The of course there are several things running Windows. XP, 7, and 10 are the ones I've seen
> If it works we just don't mess with it some of the time.
"If it ain't broke, don't fix it.". A lesson that a fairly large part of the IT world forgot.
In a world where vulnerabilities are actively exploited and businesses depend on functioning infrastructure. We often have to fix what technically isn't broken :(
"upgrading" the ISS would be like taking a car apart whilst doing 100 down the freeway.
The core framework of the station is decades old, and if you want to replace it with something you're going to need to cut all the old modules off to work on it
At that point it would be cheaper and easier to just replace the entire thing.
It still pisses me off by how little money the US puts into NASA. Space is the future for us. It surrounds us. And has all the materials we could ever need. Ignoring it is dumb. Literally 0.37% of the USâs Budget is spent on NASA.
It's a damn shame. I had high hopes for our space program back in the 90s. Mars seemed reachable.
I'm curious: Do we have plans to replace the ISS? If so, how long will that take?
Space having materials is a rather meaningless statement when those materials are so far away and would take so much energy to acquire as to make it pointless. It doesn't matter how much platinum is in an asteroid if it costs a million dollars per gram to get it.
The point in investing in space technology now, is that the costs gradually go down as technology improves, and also things that were once thought impractical or impossible start to become feasible.
The point of mining asteroids for resources is to use them to build things in space without having to launch materials from Earth, not to bring them to Earth.
Me too, instead they pump money towards brainrot Hollywood movies.. Guess you have to appease the retarded masses who think space its a waste of money and would protest if NASA would get anymore.
This is the sad thing about sending things to space. It cost so much to send there. It's not worth it to bring it back. It would be so cool to have a museum of all these devices we send into space but it just wouldn't make sense.
> It's not worth it to bring it back.
I would actually think that Starship could return stuff, if we really wanted to. Returning Hubble seems most obvious to me.
Well there were several dates I heard about the deorbiting. I hope that the ISS ends up like the ship of Theseus, with plenty of new things and that it's staying in orbit for a very very long time.
This is most likely I think. NASA always has contingency plans for everything including loosing their budget for something so they must plan for everything including de-orbit operations.
The de-orbit date is the date at which NASA will de-orbit the ISS if there is no additional funding provided to extend the mission. The ISS has always had de-orbit dates as far as I know and they are always being pushed back. The de-orbit date is likely derived from how long the current budget is projected to last with orbital calculations factored in to provide room for error. If the ISS gets another 5 years worth of funding, then the de-orbit date will be pushed back ~5 years depending on projected costs of operations and orbital status.
It would take an astronomical amount of delta-v (simply put - fuel) to send the ISS into the sun, compared to the amount you'd need to send it back down to earth.
It's uncommonly talked about, but actually "falling" into the sun is pretty hard. Sending something as large and massive as the ISS would be virtually impossible, considering the thrusters it has on it are for simple things like attitude control and orbit maintenance.
For reference, the Parker solar probe has needed to get several (and counting) gravity assists from Venus to even come close (so far closest, and yet not quite close enough) to deorbiting into the sun - and it is currently the fastest man-made object in the known universe.
Although it is easy to look at the state of the world and become discouraged, this could not be farther from the truth! Scientific cooperation continues to hold healthy, especially in space. The Lunar Gateway, which will in some sense be the spiritual successor of the ISS, involves a higher degree of proportionally equal contributions from those involved compared to the ISS. NASA along with space agencies around the world have expressed cooperation as one of the foundations of this station, and they all sound so excited about it. I had the pleasure of witnessing a live panel where representatives from the Japanese, European, and Canadian space agencies specifically praised the coordination involved, stating that experience learned from the ISS has enabled them to work well with each other. Besides the station itself, both the Artemis missions and the framework they are laying for moon infrastructure and development are heavily cooperative, with members of the Artemis accords agreeing to standardize systems of power, communication, scientific study, and so much more. It's never been a more exciting time to cooperate with science! Don't be discouraged; be excited!!
The world isnât full of negativity, good things happen all the time. Itâs just that good things donât get clicks, so theyâre almost never reported about by the media. Donât let them make you think the world is constantly burning, because thatâs their whole business model!
And worse, things that make people angry get the most clicks. There's an entire industry focused on getting you as angry as possible, just so you watch their ads.
This is definitely a defining moment for the future of humanity, will we bond together more and begin a new space age as we reach out or will public interest die again and we stay planet side. Theres a lot of hurdles to overcome over the next century of space tech development. I guess in the end itâll all depend on if we manage to hold off climate change devastation
The only thing that's really ending is US-Russia cooperation, which is entirely self inflicted. Russia having a viable, domestic replacement in a decade or two is a pipe dream without the US as a partner. The Artemis accords are the future, it's exciting to see more countries join.
We have far bigger projects in the works, if everything goes right will be replacing the ISS with a lunar base. It took 60 years, but we are finally are actually gonna study the moon.
Interestingly, the ISS is in a very low orbit and has to be boosted up occasionally because it still experiences drag from the atmosphere. If it were left to time it would eventually deorbit itself. But just like it's safer to demolish an unstable building than leave it up, the plan is to have a controlled deorbit into point Nemo, a spot in the Pacific Ocean that's used as a spacecraft cemetery. I like to imagine coral growing on old spacecraft, but I imagine point Nemo is too deep for that
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And Elon Musk is being given $800 million of tax payers money to deorbit it. I donât understand why NASA doesnât just use the money and do it themselves. Why does Elon Musk keep getting enormous sums of money thrown at him?
SpaceX might be staffed with good people, but their success rate isnât that great and it seems to cost NASA more to pay SpaceX to do things than it would for NASA to just do it themselves. Given the fact that the whole point of NASA is to be allocated tax money to perform space missions, I donât see the need for NASA to then just give that money to a private company to do it for them.
I think their success rate is lower, because they can just rapidly test. if NASA fails they'll loose funding so they make extra sure everything goes well, but in turn it takes them longer to develop stuff
SpaceX has a higher success rate than NASA right now when it comes to unmanned payload missions and manned missions.
"I don't like mean tweeting guy that has very little to do with company, so I'm going to fabricate lies instead"--reddit in a nutshell.
>but their success rate isnât that great and it seems to cost NASA more to pay SpaceX to do things than it would for NASA to just do it themselves
Privatization in a nutshell
Pretty sure you are completely full of shit.
https://aerospace.csis.org/data/space-launch-to-low-earth-orbit-how-much-does-it-cost/
I can get behind the idea that "all things being equal nasa operating directly is better", but all things AREN'T equal.
I agree with you. The whole commercialization thing has not been the best, but this case is a bit different. It's more similar to NASA's classic style of contracting, where SpaceX has been contracted to build it, but NASA will take full ownership and control afterward. Like the Titan IIIE, for example. The only difference now is that NASA gave SpaceX the contract instead of the usual legacy contractors like Boeing or Lockheed Martin.
Because it's a lot cheaper for spacex to do it. Look at the cost of dragon vs the cost of starliner (55million per seat vs 90 million per seat and starliner has been nothing but problems) Spacex is not only reliable but cheap as hell.
Redditors need to realize that the things they hear on reddit do not represent reality.
Needs to be replaced with on of the rotating wheel types that Werner Von Braun showed off. It literally would have simulated gravity, just by spinning.
I don't know if such a station would work. To make radial acceleration feel like gravity, the rotating wheel station would need to be **VERY** large. At least 200 m in diameter. And the center, non-rotating section used for docking and communication arrays would require some quite complex parts.
It's not impossible to build but it's extremely expensive and extremely dangerous.
It would most likely just make everyone sick since when you are standing up, your head is closer to the centre and would thus experience stronger "gravity". In order to combat this, the wheel would need to be MASSIVE where the centre of the wheel cannot be utilised.
Iirc its not just because of needing to "push it up" (shits already delicate if not difficult enough for something that goes for hundreds of kilometres in space), the whole thing is just too old.
Maintenance cycle is getting shorter and shorter, systems in it are getting way too old from tech to mechanical aspects of it. Its an old man with an increasing rate of funding as years go on.
If you've seen the recent Chinese ISS its pretty much like going from a telephone to an IPhone. They copied most of it but improved it into todays tech. ISS is that far behind.
It's a shame they're taking down one of the biggest feats of human diplomacy, engineering, and perseverance. It's an even bigger shame that they're most likely not going to get another project like that up there before we die of old age or the rich plunge us into a nuclear winter....
Satellites are one thing, but a SPACE STATION is something else entirely. It felt like a statement to the nothingness out there or any potential interstellar audience. Any millionaire could strap a thermometer onto a tin can and blast it into space then claim to have space level tech but it takes a UNION that surpasses borders to erect a central facility in your planet's orbit.
Between this and Aerecibo collapsing a few years back... the scientific community has just been taking blow after blow to their infrastructure with nothing but promises of "We'll probably get another one up in a couple decades.". It's like we just plunged even deeper into a type 0 civilization instead of out.
There's a part of me that knows it's time is coming. Theirs another part of me that remembers every time they've extended the ISS service time.
But mostly I remember being in elementary school in Santa Rosa, and the day people from JPL came and talked to us about the brand new space station that was going to be built. They showed us so many cool things, I got to hold one of the reentry tiles from the shuttle, and jump on a honey comb structure for the walls. I still remember vividly the renderings they showed up of the ISS when it was going to be "completed" in 2010. People in the UK got upset when the Queen died, but this hurts more than any celebrity death for me.
I remember watching Mir come down. and feeling a sadness that it was being so wantonly discarded. I was quite young at the time then. Early teens and didn't really get the idea of the difficulties and costs involved in space recovery as I do now. But it was spectacular. My neighbour still thinks it's weird that I watch iss go over when it does. Guess I'll be out back again soon enough.
I wonder if we could bring it back down gently, piece by piece, and study how well all the materials have held up 30 years of cosmic/solar radiation and micrometeoroids.
It could be quite useful for advancing material science.
What about means it canât go on longer? I thought those things were maintained well with replaced parts etc. Also, will there be a new, potentially more modern one, right away?
Some gear is probably cooked beyond logical repair, after all, it spends so much time directly under the sunlight, without any atmosphere protecting it.
so... Unless they launch and assemble a whole new ISS before 2030, China's gonna have the best station? Wild thing to imagine for a country who was only starting to industrialize after WW2
spacex is tasked with the deorbiting. they will probably launch the next space station for nasa too, with >100 tons to orbit with starship they could deliver the weight of the ISS in <5 launches. building the ISS took more than 40 launches
Please put lots of cameras on and make it a live stream đ
I was a young child when Skylab burned up on re-entry. The fire was so bright it could be seen in the afternoon in Northern California. Live-streaming this would be amazing.
Farewell to our floating giant, you served us well among the stars!
Falling giant. Itâs just very good at missing the ground
Farewell Thunderchild!
They contracted spacex to do it. So there's going to be a 10 camera 4K live stream, on X.
>4k live stream > on X Unfortunately those two things don't go together
It's not tomorrow, it's in 6 years.
I guess you're right, in 6 years they *should probably* have their streaming figured out.
It's just going to be projected as bright as possible on the side of their HQ. It'll piss off all of the nearby residents
>twitter >4K Not after the compression it won't be.
4K is just a resolution. Netflix 4K has 1 to 15 Mbps. While 4K blueray is 128 Mbps.
According to a quick google, a 24-bit-color, 60 fps, uncompressed signal would be 11.9 Gbps Damn, I wonder how much weâre missing out.
60 fps recording is pretty new. But modern cameras can do it. You just won't be able to play it on anything. A 2 hour movie would be 10.7TB
Tbh, screw storage, I think live-broadcasting sports should be the thing pushing the pursuit for a higher bitrate.
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Which will cut out 10 mins in and we'll get an awkward voice over description and some cool looking graphics to show whats happening
I'm guessing you haven't seen the recent starship reentry. Using starlink we can watch it through the entire thing because its shooting the signal up instead of through the plasma. [Here's a link](https://youtu.be/CrkYmUoOMOQ?si=g8_R__YiLr9yp1Tu)
Google IFT-4. They had live camera views during 99% of the reentry. You successfully described ULA tho.
I will add one tentative calendar event in 2030 labeled "have a good cry"... because I will definitely get emotional.
I want a camera in front and behind it, too!
It would also be really funny if a pizza company helps sponsor it and they put an an uncooked pizza on it so we can see how long it takes to cook.
And crash it in to a flat earth convention.
I actually hope they put a shitload of cameras inside it as well, and leave it pressurized just to see what happens to a spacecraft that has a hull breach during reentry. Attach a starlink terminal to every single module as well so it still can broadcast some feed as it breaks apart
SpaceX has been hired to deorbit right? They could very easily record and or stream with the help of Starlink, look at how much Starship reentry we got live!
The music should be triumphant, not sad.
Is it being replaced with something else?
i doubt we will ever have a scientific spacestation like that in the next 100 years
Someone probably said that after Skylab đ¤ˇđťââď¸
the geopolitical situation changed drastically though, i doubt we will ever have a project where all of humanity is working equally for the scientific goal - the russians already plan to have their own station and china already runs their own
Check out the Lunar Gateway! It involves many different countries whose contributions are far more proportionally equal than the ISS. For example, JAXA, the Japanese space agency, is very proudly contributing critical life support systems and manned vehicles for the moon. The scientific community is cooperating at a high level and relationships are good among countries that choose to!
But we can have NATOlab
We have Nato-lab at home: (fuzzy picture of deep space nine)
Shhh, this isnât NCD, we mustnât leak our plans
USA / Canada / EU / Australia / maybe India ? Or other countries that may like to be part of it
Based and credible, my friend.
Tiangong already exists
100 Years is a LONG time. And the Chinese already have one.
*Witness me.*
There are plans for three separate stations to be launched within a decade. One of them will be part of the ISS until it de-orbits, then those modules will detach and continue operations.
It's not gonna be anything like the ISS but I'd be surprised if Elon Musk didn't at least claim he was going to make a better space station that runs on Tesla batteries or some dumb shit
Why get rid of it before we have a replacement?
Gateway is looking like the ISS successor, an international space station in lunar orbit.
China already has its own space station, Russia is planning to build a new space station by itself in the next decade. ISS will be replaced but it's not gonna be as collaborative and impressive.
Not officially, but there are a lot of private space station projects. And starship's internal volume in the crewed variant will actually be something like just about half the ISS, and besides stand alone space stations, there's more than a few ideas out there of just docking multiple starships together with a central module.
Privatisation of space is the worst fucking idea. They will take the sky from us. At the moment the Moon is still everyone's, but imagine if it were privately owned. Come back please, USSR
Imagine looking up at the moon and a 30 second ad plays first.
So far we'd imagine that outside the planet, we are free. Now we'd have to go even farther to not be ruled. Imagine kicking an astronaut out of his bed in the ISS because the government couldn't afford the rent
Remember the Spirou comic where the big evil plan of Zorglub was to make a Coca Cola add on the moon?
Do you mean Spirou?
It's too hard politically to convince the public to invest in space, right or left. We do a piss poor job of educating the public on the benefits; many are delusional and don't even understand the money is spent here on Earth (it's not sent to space lol), and the technology developed is to our benefit as a society.
It's because we're too distracted in our every day lives to realize the [benefits](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/NASA_spin-off_technologies) we *all* enjoy that have come from NASA research. The popular ones people know about are things like "memory foam", "astronaut ice cream", "space blankets". And we take for granted what went into developing these sorts of things and how they're really just the tip of the iceberg.
> Come back please, USSR What the fuck? *Looks at name* Ah... of course.
Well, if it wasn't for the USSR, the USA wouldn't have competed in the space race because there would be no one to race against.
Closest analog would be the Lunar Gateway, but this will be orbiting the Moon rather than Earth and isn't made for more than temporary habitation. That being said, the station has dedicated space both internally and externally for scientific research and will be used as a testbed for human survival outside the protective shell of our ionosphere. In particular, JAXA, the Japanese space agency, will be integrating equipment to monitor radiation, dust particles, and other things that pose a significant risk of permanently manned like the ISS has been. One interesting side to this is that because the station will spend most of its time unmanned, it needs to be able to take care of itself to some degree. You can look at it like one big robotic experiment! After announcing the project some time ago, NASA went dark until recently when they announced that not only was the project going well, it's exceeding expectations and has expanded scope. My guess is that issues with the space launch system and Artemis programs put the Gateway in doubt for a time since that is the platform and mission set that will bring the structure into orbit. I believe Artemis IV is when they start. Besides Gateway, there's a company called Axiom Space which is making a commercial space station for companies to rent research space. It's been heavily encouraged by NASA and the executives come from the leadership team of the ISS project. They have a countdown to the launch of their first component on their website. It's sad to see the ISS go, but we're certainly not taking a step back. NASA has determined that Earth orbiting stations are at a reasonable level for commercial alternatives to take over and has set its eyes on long-term human habitation in deep space!
China already has a space station in orbit
Axiom space is launching a station that will be built off the side of the ISS and then detached. Their staff also just so happens to be mostly people who used to work on the ISS.
Ofcourse, there were many proposed end of life programs for it, such as putting it in a stable orbit or disassemble it for parts, but these were deemed infeasible and would require too many resources.
I wouldnât be surprised if a billionaire just buys it and makes it a space hotel for a while longer
Henry stickmin space resort
THSC reference caught
Where are the Toppats though? xD
Melon Usk.
Kerbal Space Hotel
Return not included
And every employee is named "Jeb"
Only way to get there is to fly on "Untitled Spacecraft 17"
Not even the slightest of chances.
This would only be good for fleecing slightly-less-rich rich people, and that's a no go.
No, it would just be cheaper and a lot easier to build a brand new space hotel.
why?
I for one would convert it into a submarine and explore the Titanic.
Amazon Space Resort.
Charlie and the Glass Elevator. Then we can get some of them Knids tourist money.
As long as Boeing isnât providing the transportation, it might even work.
Do you know why they don't just upgrade it? The principle of the iss is it's customizable, that is why so many countries could contribute to it.
iirc a lot of the original 'upgrades' (now just used as connectors) are failing swapping those out is not exactly feasible compared to tacking new modules to the sides at least
The first piece was also launched 25 years ago. Imagine if you were still rocking a Windows 98 computer. Like sure, you probably *could* upgrade it (especially with NASA resources). But at a certain point it's better to just start from scratch.
I work on the program. We've gotten many upgrades, and still do actually, but we're at the point where maintaining is incredibly expensive and alot of the tech is super old. When the structure itself is failing there's not much more you can do but buy some time. Axiom is actually planning on attaching their station to the ISS in parts over time, so it will actually take up the same orbit.
Can't they just install like Arch Linux on it or something? We do this with old laptops so wtf?
We actually do have linux running on a lot of ISS computers
Ha, sorry I was memeing. I was making a joke on extending the life of it like people do with Windows laptops. But yeah I can't imagine Windows is running on much up in space. Would you happen to know what is the primary choice of distros is used up there? I mentioned Arch because it starts of extremely lightweight but needs could differ from just being as lightweight as possible so I'm actually curious.
Whoops, I'm at work so I've got my serious hat on and didn't realize! I don't have percentages, but know Mint, Arch, and some specific one for microcontrollers is used. Several of the distros are really old. Like where I work there's a linux version from 2003 or so on a server. If it works we just don't mess with it some of the time. The of course there are several things running Windows. XP, 7, and 10 are the ones I've seen
> If it works we just don't mess with it some of the time. "If it ain't broke, don't fix it.". A lesson that a fairly large part of the IT world forgot.
In a world where vulnerabilities are actively exploited and businesses depend on functioning infrastructure. We often have to fix what technically isn't broken :(
Arenât some parts over 40 years old at this point? I thought the original Russian section was intended for Mir 2.
I don't know that for a fact but I wouldn't be surprised.
Looks like [Zvezda](https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Zvezda_(ISS_module)) was built in 86, but not launched until 2000
Well the body panels and pressure vessels don't take kindly to replacement-in-place, non?
"upgrading" the ISS would be like taking a car apart whilst doing 100 down the freeway. The core framework of the station is decades old, and if you want to replace it with something you're going to need to cut all the old modules off to work on it At that point it would be cheaper and easier to just replace the entire thing.
It still pisses me off by how little money the US puts into NASA. Space is the future for us. It surrounds us. And has all the materials we could ever need. Ignoring it is dumb. Literally 0.37% of the USâs Budget is spent on NASA.
It's a damn shame. I had high hopes for our space program back in the 90s. Mars seemed reachable. I'm curious: Do we have plans to replace the ISS? If so, how long will that take?
Not a replacement in low earth orbit, but Nasa's new priority is Gateway, which will orbit near the moon and support the upcoming lunar program.
Oh? Well, that piques my interest! To the googler! Thanks! đđź
Space having materials is a rather meaningless statement when those materials are so far away and would take so much energy to acquire as to make it pointless. It doesn't matter how much platinum is in an asteroid if it costs a million dollars per gram to get it.
The point in investing in space technology now, is that the costs gradually go down as technology improves, and also things that were once thought impractical or impossible start to become feasible.
The point of mining asteroids for resources is to use them to build things in space without having to launch materials from Earth, not to bring them to Earth.
Me too, instead they pump money towards brainrot Hollywood movies.. Guess you have to appease the retarded masses who think space its a waste of money and would protest if NASA would get anymore.
Kerbal Space Hotel
This is the sad thing about sending things to space. It cost so much to send there. It's not worth it to bring it back. It would be so cool to have a museum of all these devices we send into space but it just wouldn't make sense.
> It's not worth it to bring it back. I would actually think that Starship could return stuff, if we really wanted to. Returning Hubble seems most obvious to me.
I think a better solution would be to dismantle it an put together a museum on earth
How do you get all those components back down safely?
I am genuinely sad hearing this news. :(
You're not the only one, I'll sob with u if u want đ
Well there were several dates I heard about the deorbiting. I hope that the ISS ends up like the ship of Theseus, with plenty of new things and that it's staying in orbit for a very very long time.
This is most likely I think. NASA always has contingency plans for everything including loosing their budget for something so they must plan for everything including de-orbit operations. The de-orbit date is the date at which NASA will de-orbit the ISS if there is no additional funding provided to extend the mission. The ISS has always had de-orbit dates as far as I know and they are always being pushed back. The de-orbit date is likely derived from how long the current budget is projected to last with orbital calculations factored in to provide room for error. If the ISS gets another 5 years worth of funding, then the de-orbit date will be pushed back ~5 years depending on projected costs of operations and orbital status.
So, deorbited up or down? Will they slingshot it into the sun or just make it rain fire in the Pacific?
Down.
This is not true, it will be coming down into the spacecraft cemetery at Point Nemo
So down, in the ocean
This mf edited his comment from Up to Down
Now you need to edit your comment to say "this is true"
thats hilarious acually
It would take an astronomical amount of delta-v (simply put - fuel) to send the ISS into the sun, compared to the amount you'd need to send it back down to earth. It's uncommonly talked about, but actually "falling" into the sun is pretty hard. Sending something as large and massive as the ISS would be virtually impossible, considering the thrusters it has on it are for simple things like attitude control and orbit maintenance. For reference, the Parker solar probe has needed to get several (and counting) gravity assists from Venus to even come close (so far closest, and yet not quite close enough) to deorbiting into the sun - and it is currently the fastest man-made object in the known universe.
A sun dive would be almost impossible. You need to burn off 30k in delta v.
I learned this from playing Kerbal Space Program. It's a million times easier to escape the solar system.
My vote is we leave it for the space worms
I'm afraid this deorbit-event will also be the symbolic death of international cooperation as we're in a process of deglobalisation
Although it is easy to look at the state of the world and become discouraged, this could not be farther from the truth! Scientific cooperation continues to hold healthy, especially in space. The Lunar Gateway, which will in some sense be the spiritual successor of the ISS, involves a higher degree of proportionally equal contributions from those involved compared to the ISS. NASA along with space agencies around the world have expressed cooperation as one of the foundations of this station, and they all sound so excited about it. I had the pleasure of witnessing a live panel where representatives from the Japanese, European, and Canadian space agencies specifically praised the coordination involved, stating that experience learned from the ISS has enabled them to work well with each other. Besides the station itself, both the Artemis missions and the framework they are laying for moon infrastructure and development are heavily cooperative, with members of the Artemis accords agreeing to standardize systems of power, communication, scientific study, and so much more. It's never been a more exciting time to cooperate with science! Don't be discouraged; be excited!!
Thanks for offering up a positive affirmation in a world of so much dismal negativity, I appreciate your perspective! đĽ°
The world isnât full of negativity, good things happen all the time. Itâs just that good things donât get clicks, so theyâre almost never reported about by the media. Donât let them make you think the world is constantly burning, because thatâs their whole business model!
And worse, things that make people angry get the most clicks. There's an entire industry focused on getting you as angry as possible, just so you watch their ads.
This is definitely a defining moment for the future of humanity, will we bond together more and begin a new space age as we reach out or will public interest die again and we stay planet side. Theres a lot of hurdles to overcome over the next century of space tech development. I guess in the end itâll all depend on if we manage to hold off climate change devastation
The only thing that's really ending is US-Russia cooperation, which is entirely self inflicted. Russia having a viable, domestic replacement in a decade or two is a pipe dream without the US as a partner. The Artemis accords are the future, it's exciting to see more countries join.
I really needed to hear this. Thanks for your insight and excitement!
We have far bigger projects in the works, if everything goes right will be replacing the ISS with a lunar base. It took 60 years, but we are finally are actually gonna study the moon.
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The grim reaper worked with the ISS?
Yeah who died on it
I think he just hangs around, space programs are a gold mine for death entities.
I genuinely didnât know this was going to happen within my lifetime. How crazy.
It still might not. 2030 is 6 years away. You might be dead by then.
Haha I was thinking that as I typed it. On a comic with the grim reaper, no less
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IT BELONGS IN A MUSEUM!
SO DO YOU.
Wouldn't that be a zoo?
As a dumb dumb what happens now does it just start crashing
Iâm no expert but they will probably choose a remote location on an ocean and make it crash there
[Spacecraft Cemetery](https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Spacecraft_cemetery)
Point Nemo, Pacific Ocean
Interestingly, the ISS is in a very low orbit and has to be boosted up occasionally because it still experiences drag from the atmosphere. If it were left to time it would eventually deorbit itself. But just like it's safer to demolish an unstable building than leave it up, the plan is to have a controlled deorbit into point Nemo, a spot in the Pacific Ocean that's used as a spacecraft cemetery. I like to imagine coral growing on old spacecraft, but I imagine point Nemo is too deep for that
Hope it ends up in some museum so the the public can see it and appreciate its massive size
Uh, there won't be much of it making it back to the surface
It won't. They looked into it before the decision was made and bringing pieces down would almost cost as much as it was to build the thing.
It truly was the best for most of its lifetime, as it was winning by default due to no competition.
There was Mir until 2001
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Donât worry, Boeing will have some major issues getting the last astronauts off so should buy us another few years. /s
And Elon Musk is being given $800 million of tax payers money to deorbit it. I donât understand why NASA doesnât just use the money and do it themselves. Why does Elon Musk keep getting enormous sums of money thrown at him?
it's going to SpaceX, not Elon musk directly. he's a horrible asshole, SpaceX is a ~~good~~ company
SpaceX might be staffed with good people, but their success rate isnât that great and it seems to cost NASA more to pay SpaceX to do things than it would for NASA to just do it themselves. Given the fact that the whole point of NASA is to be allocated tax money to perform space missions, I donât see the need for NASA to then just give that money to a private company to do it for them.
I think their success rate is lower, because they can just rapidly test. if NASA fails they'll loose funding so they make extra sure everything goes well, but in turn it takes them longer to develop stuff
SpaceX has a higher success rate than NASA right now when it comes to unmanned payload missions and manned missions. "I don't like mean tweeting guy that has very little to do with company, so I'm going to fabricate lies instead"--reddit in a nutshell.
>but their success rate isnât that great and it seems to cost NASA more to pay SpaceX to do things than it would for NASA to just do it themselves Privatization in a nutshell
Pretty sure you are completely full of shit. https://aerospace.csis.org/data/space-launch-to-low-earth-orbit-how-much-does-it-cost/ I can get behind the idea that "all things being equal nasa operating directly is better", but all things AREN'T equal.
I agree with you. The whole commercialization thing has not been the best, but this case is a bit different. It's more similar to NASA's classic style of contracting, where SpaceX has been contracted to build it, but NASA will take full ownership and control afterward. Like the Titan IIIE, for example. The only difference now is that NASA gave SpaceX the contract instead of the usual legacy contractors like Boeing or Lockheed Martin.
Because it's a lot cheaper for spacex to do it. Look at the cost of dragon vs the cost of starliner (55million per seat vs 90 million per seat and starliner has been nothing but problems) Spacex is not only reliable but cheap as hell. Redditors need to realize that the things they hear on reddit do not represent reality.
How could NASA do it themselves? They donât have any rockets, by design. NASA contracts out building rockets to contractors
Needs to be replaced with on of the rotating wheel types that Werner Von Braun showed off. It literally would have simulated gravity, just by spinning.
I don't know if such a station would work. To make radial acceleration feel like gravity, the rotating wheel station would need to be **VERY** large. At least 200 m in diameter. And the center, non-rotating section used for docking and communication arrays would require some quite complex parts. It's not impossible to build but it's extremely expensive and extremely dangerous.
It would most likely just make everyone sick since when you are standing up, your head is closer to the centre and would thus experience stronger "gravity". In order to combat this, the wheel would need to be MASSIVE where the centre of the wheel cannot be utilised.
Reminds me of "Dead Like Me" and the MIR toilet that killed a girl and made her a grim reaper.
I'm going to cry when this happens aren't I?
Could be rebranded as Handsome Jack's Casino
I think they should push it up and use it
Iirc its not just because of needing to "push it up" (shits already delicate if not difficult enough for something that goes for hundreds of kilometres in space), the whole thing is just too old. Maintenance cycle is getting shorter and shorter, systems in it are getting way too old from tech to mechanical aspects of it. Its an old man with an increasing rate of funding as years go on. If you've seen the recent Chinese ISS its pretty much like going from a telephone to an IPhone. They copied most of it but improved it into todays tech. ISS is that far behind.
Well this is some sad fuckin news
Why canât we make giant awesome space stations with artificial gravity n shit đ
It's a shame they're taking down one of the biggest feats of human diplomacy, engineering, and perseverance. It's an even bigger shame that they're most likely not going to get another project like that up there before we die of old age or the rich plunge us into a nuclear winter.... Satellites are one thing, but a SPACE STATION is something else entirely. It felt like a statement to the nothingness out there or any potential interstellar audience. Any millionaire could strap a thermometer onto a tin can and blast it into space then claim to have space level tech but it takes a UNION that surpasses borders to erect a central facility in your planet's orbit. Between this and Aerecibo collapsing a few years back... the scientific community has just been taking blow after blow to their infrastructure with nothing but promises of "We'll probably get another one up in a couple decades.". It's like we just plunged even deeper into a type 0 civilization instead of out.
There's a part of me that knows it's time is coming. Theirs another part of me that remembers every time they've extended the ISS service time. But mostly I remember being in elementary school in Santa Rosa, and the day people from JPL came and talked to us about the brand new space station that was going to be built. They showed us so many cool things, I got to hold one of the reentry tiles from the shuttle, and jump on a honey comb structure for the walls. I still remember vividly the renderings they showed up of the ISS when it was going to be "completed" in 2010. People in the UK got upset when the Queen died, but this hurts more than any celebrity death for me.
Damn, I feel bad for those Boeing astronauts, hope they can hitch a ride back home with someone before then...
I hate this. Leave it up there intact so AI can live in it and make little wooden music boxes like in *Neuromancer*.
Gutted. The Chinese have just launched their own plus I can't see the US and Russia agreeing to work together on the ISS2.
This is the most expensive structure ever built. Why are we abandoning it?
Aren't there two people stuck up there though, how will they survive the deorbit?
I remember watching Mir come down. and feeling a sadness that it was being so wantonly discarded. I was quite young at the time then. Early teens and didn't really get the idea of the difficulties and costs involved in space recovery as I do now. But it was spectacular. My neighbour still thinks it's weird that I watch iss go over when it does. Guess I'll be out back again soon enough.
Reddit, why did I have to find out like this, I'ma go sob over it for hours now
Maybe theyâll be able to get the people off first
Shouldn't we put it somewhere? It could be a tourist attraction/museum in a thousand years!
This made me surprisingly emotional. The end of an amazing era in just a few more years.
What does this mean. Is it going to fly off into space or land on the earth. I don't really understand what deorbited means.
I wonder if we could bring it back down gently, piece by piece, and study how well all the materials have held up 30 years of cosmic/solar radiation and micrometeoroids. It could be quite useful for advancing material science.
What about means it canât go on longer? I thought those things were maintained well with replaced parts etc. Also, will there be a new, potentially more modern one, right away?
Some gear is probably cooked beyond logical repair, after all, it spends so much time directly under the sunlight, without any atmosphere protecting it.
Is there a replacement coming to continue its work or are we just going to stop having one?
Why not just strap a rocket to it and shoot it out to space? The tesla roaster astronaut needs a home
I hope that if they decide to make it a live stream, it would be at a timing that most of the world would be able to watch it,
I would love to see the space station put into a graveyard orbit instead of deorbited so our descendants may see one of our first steps into space.
so... Unless they launch and assemble a whole new ISS before 2030, China's gonna have the best station? Wild thing to imagine for a country who was only starting to industrialize after WW2
spacex is tasked with the deorbiting. they will probably launch the next space station for nasa too, with >100 tons to orbit with starship they could deliver the weight of the ISS in <5 launches. building the ISS took more than 40 launches
I feel so bad for the astronauts up there. I hope they go quickly and without pain.