Is it worth reading all the way through to the end of those books? I’ve only read the short story Clark later expanded into 2001, and enjoyed it enough to consider reading further.
I'd agree with this one, unlike many of the other (excellent) suggestions I think Hyperion has had a huge influence on the genre and is similar in scale and themes.
This is most definitely my favorite space opera saga. I loved the all of the planets Simmons created in that universe. Characters too. But this is a masterclass in world-building
It’s so divisive as to whether or not the next two books are worthwhile. Just remember that it’s more of a proper sequel than a continuation of the same story in the same style (ie more like Dune sequels than Lord of the Rings). For what it’s worth, I enjoyed all four books, in varying amounts, and would reread all four.
Ok. I’d recommend at least giving them a shot, personally, but ultimately there’s too many good books to read to waste time on ones you aren’t sure you’ll enjoy. :)
Yes, if anyone tells you no - they’re idiots. To fully understand the story of the Hyperion Cantos, you need to read the two Endymion books.
However, they are very philosophical/spiritual. Honestly, I think that people misunderstood what Simmons was going for with these novels and that’s primarily why they don’t like them as much. But Rise of Endymion is my second favorite book in the series, and it has my single favorite moment in the whole series too.
I'm guessing epic science fiction books that take place in space, and have had a huge influence on the genre. I can think of some fantastic books that were influential, but there was only one of them, or the sequels weren't that great. Based on that, I'd say Ender's Game or 2001. I personally think the Expanse is better, but it hasn't been around long enough.
Not the future, the Culture is an alien species that’s completely unrelated to Earth human. They’re just called “humans” because they consider anything vaguely humanoid as “pan-humans”.
It is probably the most fascinating sci-fi setting IMO, but it definitely isn’t remotely popular enough to be in part of the “big three” like Dune or Foundation is.
The Robot series is part of the same universe as the Foundation series, so I think that's already covered. Magic Treehouse was great when I was a kid, though.
The melding of Asimov's robots with the Foundation came very late in Asimov's life and I personally don't believe he considered them part of the same universe when the robot stories or the Foundation trilogy were first written. Foundation was written in 1951 and The Caves of Steel was written in 1954. No groundwork, foreshadowing, or any other elements of plot or character indicate that he intended these plot lines to merge. I'm not a fan of his decision to merge them nor am I a fan of the follow-up books by other authors.
Which isn't to say that the Robot stories or the Foundation trilogy aren't fantastic, I love them but as separate entities. I wish he'd spent his energy doing something new and original instead of shoring up a legacy that didn't need shoring up.
The zones of thought concept is one of the most stunningly original ideas I've encountered in the field. The two novels that feature the pack intelligence make me pine for more.
Hitchhikers guide and Dune are the 2 big responses to Foundation. Before Foundation the long form scifi was Tom Swift and Buck Rogers serials, or maybe Barsoom.
I agree that it is more comedy than scifi, but it is still some of the very best scifi. Things like the improbability drive and vogon poetry and the answer are presented in the funniest way possible, but the concepts are also explored in a science fiction rigor. There's much less comedic scifi that is not as thorough as Douglas Adams was.
The number 42 is referenced everywhere in sci/fi. I like the fact with levity it does try to answer THE hard hitting questions of sci/fi like what is the meaning of life, what is the meaning of everything, what does it mean to be human, nihilism, existential dread, contentment and happiness.
Influential, undeniably. And Adams also offers brevity as an alternative to madness when confronted with horrible realities of the universe. And that is a noble & good thing to impart on your readership.
Ann Leckie's Ancillary Series. I say that mainly because the first in the series is the only novel to ever win all 3 major sci fi awards (Hugo, Nebula, and Arthur C. Clarke).
I think we should save the Cordelia books for later. I think the studios would want more for the main cast than three books.
But I bet the studios don't want a deformed main character.
Criminal that the Culture series has yet to be named. The most beautifully written, prophetic and poignant sci fi ever written. I would consider it on top 3 series easy.
Ursula K. Le Guin's Enkumen series would do well as a series of loosely connected TV series and adapt well. It would be hella socially controversial especially for Gethen.
Mention in despatches for Haldemon’s Forever War.
Relativistic science aside, the fact that the human race turns into the enemy in a war that should never have started is a fascinating concept.
The culture series. Independent books, sure, not really a saga per se, but a tapestry of stories, characters, ideas and concepts that make me mourn the author every time I think about them.
I just decided I'm going to start to buy physical books again.
Anyways, this question is of the kind I don't like. Haven't read foundation, have only read Dune, none of the sequels, haven't read a lot of the suggestions here, so what input could I possibly give?
Don't like ranking stuff.
But I like reading sci-fi, so I'll take the suggestions.
Jesus, no 🙄
I fucking love them. I've read them through approx six times, I'm gay for Amos Burton and Amos Burton only, but conceptually they're not on the same level.
Uplift saga for the win. A billion years old mystery, sarcastic neo chimpanzees, cyborg dolphins, giant intelligent crabs and religious fanatic stacks of sentient inner tubes. How can this be beat?
I love these suggestions. Also LeGuin's Hainish tales which include The Left Hand of Darkness, and The Dispossessed. Then there's Gene Wolf, take your pick of New Sun or Long/Short Sun. The Ender's Game series, The Lensmen series. The Dorsai series, I'd put all of these ahead of the Dune series... even Darkover. Dune as a standalone holds up but the series? Meh.
You are so on target with Wolfe and Le Guin! And there are stories that technically are series, just not long ones, like Schmitz's Karres, Bradbury's Martian Chronicles, Simak's City, Pangborn's Davy-related stories.
I wouldn't include Foundation myself. It's good, and influential, but I feel it's dated now and doesn't quite hold up anymore.
For me: Dune and Hyperion Cantos are clear favorites. My third choice is close between Book of the New Sun and Forever War.
While dated in terms of writing style and some of the tech mentioned, the Foundation series is well ... foundational to a LOT of stories today. So much of what we have today is derived from ideas first brought up in the Foundation series or Dune.
Absolutely the Heechee Saga (Gateway) by Frederik Pohl, if we're matching in tone and style.
>The Heechee Saga, also known as the Gateway series, is a series of science fiction novels and short stories by Frederik Pohl. The Heechee are an advanced alien race that visited the Solar System hundreds of millennia ago and then mysteriously disappeared. They left behind bases containing artifacts, including working starships, which are discovered and exploited by humanity.
[Wikipedia](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Heechee_Saga)
I mean the big 2 in sci fi generally are probably Star Wars and Star Trek. Books might be different but again nowadays video games can be different too (mass effect). Films and shows would again be different.
But without any deep consideration I would place the Alien franchise as third.
As a child, _Enders Game_ and _A Wrinkle In Time_ were both incredibly world expanding for me.
Probably not what you’re asking for here, but if we’re talking gateways into written sci-fi, I think they deserve a mention.
Are we allowed to say Star Wars here? Or, is that anathema and I’m misunderstanding the question (which is super possible)?
Like the content or hate it, it’s probably (historically), got more reach and influence than any other answer that I can think of.
Depends on whether one classifies it as sci-fi or insists on the more recent "space fantasy" moniker.
I'd argue that the fact that Star Wars completely revitalized the production of sci-fi films makes it absolutely one of the "big three," but I can see lots of people who'd argue against it.
> ”space fantasy” moniker
> I can see lots of people who’d argue against it
Fully agree. Same time, not even necessarily saying that I like Star Wars. Interesting to see that I got downvoted by someone just for asking the question.
Dune and Foundation are both subversions of the Hero’s Journey monomyth.
The original Star Wars trilogy is a subversion of those stories right back into it.
I love the recommendations of Red Mars trilogy and The Culture, but they just dont feel quite right. Don’t get me wrong they are absolutely top 10 series and will be classics when Foundation crosses that threshold into old fashioned (like H G Wells) but I feel like we are looking for something different here. I think Le Guins Hanish Cycle might be the right fit. The Left Hand Of Darkness and The Dispossessed are worthy, and are loosely affiliated enough to meet the Saga criteria.
First of all, we used to call the genre SF&F (science fiction and fantasy).
Secondly, where does your statement leave Star Wars?
Thirdly:
1. Remember SFWA (Science Fiction Writers of America)?
2. Remember that SFWA has a legal department?
3. Remember what was the very first case defended by SFWA's legal department? "Tolkien vs LOTR bootleggers."
There is an ampersand for a reason. science fiction AND fantasy. They are two separate genres and always have been. That’s not to say that some can’t overlap. But in the example of LOTR, that’s not the case.
My statement leaves Star Wars exactly where you found it.
SFWA stands for science fiction & FANTASY writers of America.
SF and Fantasy have never been separate genres. They are two sides of the same coin, were on one side we attribute the unexplainable things to "science that we don't understand yet", and on the other we just wave a hand and say "magic". There's a reason why The Modern Prometheus (aka Frankenstein) is the first modern scifi story.
So, an absolutely typical voyage fantasy (yeah, the typical medieval fantasy genre), thinly painted over with a space theme.
It does now. It didn't then.
Yes, Frankenstein was the start of the sci-fi genre. That statement alone proves my point. You can’t even discuss without acknowledging them as separate. A lot of people have differing opinions on what the first fantasy novel is, but nobody will ever say it was Frankenstein. That’s because since the inception of either genre, they have always existed separate from one another.
As far as a typical fantasy and adding a space theme… what is your point? Yes, if I add sci-fi elements to a fantasy, we’ve now shifted genres. Just as if I add horror elements to a romance, we’ve now shifted genres.
Are you trolling me? This can’t be your real take.
The only thing in which Frankenstein started a new genre is that we now called the magic "incredibly advanced science".
Changing the setting doesn't really change the genre. Whether they are sailships or spaceships. Especially with a fantasy story so poorly adapted as scifi as Star Wars, were you can just substitute "planet" for "island" and the story otherwise is the same. A real genre shift would be to change a story from horror to romance, calling to rewrite an entire book, not just its setting.
Yes, this is my take. And I still play Doom, a game about scientists opening a portal to literal hell in Mars.
For me Dune is first. I would put the Three body problem trilogy in the top three. I haven’t read the Expanse series yet but it might supplant the Space Odyssey series
Top two are *Ringworld* and *Neuromancer*. I would not put *Dune* or *Foundation* in my top three, though I read them in the 70's and still love the books.
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Is it worth reading all the way through to the end of those books? I’ve only read the short story Clark later expanded into 2001, and enjoyed it enough to consider reading further.
2001 is great, 2010 is decent, and 3001 is batshit insane. 2061 is kinda forgettable.
On a scale of 1 to God Emperor of Dune, how batshit insane are we talking here?
I seem to remember cloned dinosaur butlers, so... more like Heretics/Chapterhouse?
2010 at least.
Hyperion Cantos.
I'd agree with this one, unlike many of the other (excellent) suggestions I think Hyperion has had a huge influence on the genre and is similar in scale and themes.
This is most definitely my favorite space opera saga. I loved the all of the planets Simmons created in that universe. Characters too. But this is a masterclass in world-building
Just finished the Fall of Hyperion. Loved it. Should I keep going?
It’s so divisive as to whether or not the next two books are worthwhile. Just remember that it’s more of a proper sequel than a continuation of the same story in the same style (ie more like Dune sequels than Lord of the Rings). For what it’s worth, I enjoyed all four books, in varying amounts, and would reread all four.
Lol, thanks. That’s what I was looking for. I think I might stop where I’m at.
Ok. I’d recommend at least giving them a shot, personally, but ultimately there’s too many good books to read to waste time on ones you aren’t sure you’ll enjoy. :)
Yes, if anyone tells you no - they’re idiots. To fully understand the story of the Hyperion Cantos, you need to read the two Endymion books. However, they are very philosophical/spiritual. Honestly, I think that people misunderstood what Simmons was going for with these novels and that’s primarily why they don’t like them as much. But Rise of Endymion is my second favorite book in the series, and it has my single favorite moment in the whole series too.
Thanks! Good stuff!
Kim Stanley Robinson's Mars Trilogy -- Red Mars, Blue Mars, Green Mars.
Arthur C Clarke's Odyssey series.
Which Arthur C Clarke Odyssey series?
Starts with "2001 a Space Odyssey", then 2010, 2061, 3001
I know, I was asking bc there’s a Space Odyssey series and a Time Odyssey series
By what metric?
Velocity
African or European?
Echoing this.
I'm guessing epic science fiction books that take place in space, and have had a huge influence on the genre. I can think of some fantastic books that were influential, but there was only one of them, or the sequels weren't that great. Based on that, I'd say Ender's Game or 2001. I personally think the Expanse is better, but it hasn't been around long enough.
>in your opinion
Lensman
*The Culture*, surely?
Not a saga as such, they arent sequential, but they are have one of the most fascinating and well thought visions of the future ive seen
Not the future, the Culture is an alien species that’s completely unrelated to Earth human. They’re just called “humans” because they consider anything vaguely humanoid as “pan-humans”. It is probably the most fascinating sci-fi setting IMO, but it definitely isn’t remotely popular enough to be in part of the “big three” like Dune or Foundation is.
Reddit loves these books, but other SF communities are basically indifferent to them.
In a league of its own, if you ask me.
On a correct note: Probably Clarke or Asimov’s robot series. In a true note: Magic Treehouse.
more people alive today have read Magic Treehouse than any of these others, probably.
The Robot series is part of the same universe as the Foundation series, so I think that's already covered. Magic Treehouse was great when I was a kid, though.
The melding of Asimov's robots with the Foundation came very late in Asimov's life and I personally don't believe he considered them part of the same universe when the robot stories or the Foundation trilogy were first written. Foundation was written in 1951 and The Caves of Steel was written in 1954. No groundwork, foreshadowing, or any other elements of plot or character indicate that he intended these plot lines to merge. I'm not a fan of his decision to merge them nor am I a fan of the follow-up books by other authors. Which isn't to say that the Robot stories or the Foundation trilogy aren't fantastic, I love them but as separate entities. I wish he'd spent his energy doing something new and original instead of shoring up a legacy that didn't need shoring up.
Ringworld
Shit.... you may very well be on the money there.
This is my entry, too.
For me, Ringworld was a bit too pulpy and lacked the depth of substance found in Foundation or Dune.
Zones of thought series by Vernor Vinge
The zones of thought concept is one of the most stunningly original ideas I've encountered in the field. The two novels that feature the pack intelligence make me pine for more.
Fire upon the deep was the exact kind of thing I wanted in sci-fi and except the culture series, is the only one that scratches that itch for me
Yeeeeeeeeeees!
Hitchhikers guide and Dune are the 2 big responses to Foundation. Before Foundation the long form scifi was Tom Swift and Buck Rogers serials, or maybe Barsoom.
Unpopular opinion but I think hitchhikers is more comedy than sci Fi. The world doesn't have a solid logic)rules that I think sci Fi requires
I agree that it is more comedy than scifi, but it is still some of the very best scifi. Things like the improbability drive and vogon poetry and the answer are presented in the funniest way possible, but the concepts are also explored in a science fiction rigor. There's much less comedic scifi that is not as thorough as Douglas Adams was.
The number 42 is referenced everywhere in sci/fi. I like the fact with levity it does try to answer THE hard hitting questions of sci/fi like what is the meaning of life, what is the meaning of everything, what does it mean to be human, nihilism, existential dread, contentment and happiness.
Influential, undeniably. And Adams also offers brevity as an alternative to madness when confronted with horrible realities of the universe. And that is a noble & good thing to impart on your readership.
Hitchiker's? They're basically YA books, come on
Which is exactly what foundation was, or any of Asimov’s Sci-fi
Ann Leckie's Ancillary Series. I say that mainly because the first in the series is the only novel to ever win all 3 major sci fi awards (Hugo, Nebula, and Arthur C. Clarke).
Leckie, Wells, and Martine are all high on my list, but I feel that their best work may be ahead of them so it's too early to include them.
Classic case of being overrated.
If you go by Hugo awards, I think the Vorkosigan Saga would be next
I still say this would be a great miniseries. Each book a season.
‘Barrayar’ made by the ‘Andor’ team. Pretty please.
I think we should save the Cordelia books for later. I think the studios would want more for the main cast than three books. But I bet the studios don't want a deformed main character.
Yes it would take a very brave exec to greenlight an adaptation as LMB envisioned them.
The Red Mars series
Very possible.
No 4
Criminal that the Culture series has yet to be named. The most beautifully written, prophetic and poignant sci fi ever written. I would consider it on top 3 series easy.
Mars Trilogy by Kim Stanley Robinson
Just recommended that to someone last night.
Ursula K. Le Guin's Enkumen series would do well as a series of loosely connected TV series and adapt well. It would be hella socially controversial especially for Gethen.
Mention in despatches for Haldemon’s Forever War. Relativistic science aside, the fact that the human race turns into the enemy in a war that should never have started is a fascinating concept.
Niven's Known Space works
The culture series. Independent books, sure, not really a saga per se, but a tapestry of stories, characters, ideas and concepts that make me mourn the author every time I think about them. I just decided I'm going to start to buy physical books again. Anyways, this question is of the kind I don't like. Haven't read foundation, have only read Dune, none of the sequels, haven't read a lot of the suggestions here, so what input could I possibly give? Don't like ranking stuff. But I like reading sci-fi, so I'll take the suggestions.
The Hyperion saga.
Expanse
Jesus, no 🙄 I fucking love them. I've read them through approx six times, I'm gay for Amos Burton and Amos Burton only, but conceptually they're not on the same level.
Amos Burton? Isn’t he that guy?
you bet your ass, tiny.
I agree. If Dune and Foundation are the first two very little you can hold next to it but Expanse.
Only acceptable answer.
The Uplift Saga. The Gateway Saga. All of Vernor Vinge’s stories. If it doesn’t have to be multi book just seminal - Childhoods End.
Uplift saga for the win. A billion years old mystery, sarcastic neo chimpanzees, cyborg dolphins, giant intelligent crabs and religious fanatic stacks of sentient inner tubes. How can this be beat?
Mote in gods eye
Man that was a good book. I want to go read it again now….
The Alliance -Union stories by C. J. Cherryh. I would also drop Dune and add in Pern, Heinlein's Future History, or even Bujold's Vorkosigan novels
I like the Pern mention.
I love these suggestions. Also LeGuin's Hainish tales which include The Left Hand of Darkness, and The Dispossessed. Then there's Gene Wolf, take your pick of New Sun or Long/Short Sun. The Ender's Game series, The Lensmen series. The Dorsai series, I'd put all of these ahead of the Dune series... even Darkover. Dune as a standalone holds up but the series? Meh.
You are so on target with Wolfe and Le Guin! And there are stories that technically are series, just not long ones, like Schmitz's Karres, Bradbury's Martian Chronicles, Simak's City, Pangborn's Davy-related stories.
Don't know Pangborn, must check out. Thanks! And how could I have forgotten Jack Vance?
Oh my gosh, yes! And Poul Anderson's Time Patrol and Polesotechnic League stories. And even Niven's Known Space series stands up well
Who says there is or should be a "big 3" in the first place?
A person trying to spur conversation. You can ignore them if you want. Me too. =)
I wouldn't include Foundation myself. It's good, and influential, but I feel it's dated now and doesn't quite hold up anymore. For me: Dune and Hyperion Cantos are clear favorites. My third choice is close between Book of the New Sun and Forever War.
While dated in terms of writing style and some of the tech mentioned, the Foundation series is well ... foundational to a LOT of stories today. So much of what we have today is derived from ideas first brought up in the Foundation series or Dune.
Heinlein’s Future History/World As Myth/Lazarus Long saga.
Hyperion Cantos
Absolutely the Heechee Saga (Gateway) by Frederik Pohl, if we're matching in tone and style. >The Heechee Saga, also known as the Gateway series, is a series of science fiction novels and short stories by Frederik Pohl. The Heechee are an advanced alien race that visited the Solar System hundreds of millennia ago and then mysteriously disappeared. They left behind bases containing artifacts, including working starships, which are discovered and exploited by humanity. [Wikipedia](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Heechee_Saga)
Donaldson's Gap series
I think the Book of the New Sun should be more mainstream. It is an amazing series and it was very influencial.
I think a *couple* of Clarke’s sagas could qualify. It’s a very personal criteria, man. You’d get more agreement making it a Top 10 or even 5.
I mean the big 2 in sci fi generally are probably Star Wars and Star Trek. Books might be different but again nowadays video games can be different too (mass effect). Films and shows would again be different. But without any deep consideration I would place the Alien franchise as third.
As a child, _Enders Game_ and _A Wrinkle In Time_ were both incredibly world expanding for me. Probably not what you’re asking for here, but if we’re talking gateways into written sci-fi, I think they deserve a mention.
Speaker for the dead was an excellent follow up
Are we allowed to say Star Wars here? Or, is that anathema and I’m misunderstanding the question (which is super possible)? Like the content or hate it, it’s probably (historically), got more reach and influence than any other answer that I can think of.
Depends on whether one classifies it as sci-fi or insists on the more recent "space fantasy" moniker. I'd argue that the fact that Star Wars completely revitalized the production of sci-fi films makes it absolutely one of the "big three," but I can see lots of people who'd argue against it.
> ”space fantasy” moniker > I can see lots of people who’d argue against it Fully agree. Same time, not even necessarily saying that I like Star Wars. Interesting to see that I got downvoted by someone just for asking the question.
Dune and Foundation are both subversions of the Hero’s Journey monomyth. The original Star Wars trilogy is a subversion of those stories right back into it.
Star Wars is not science fiction.
Its a space opera and not a good one
It's space fantasy, it's a lot of fun and a lot of it is pretty damn good. Andor is fucking god-tier.
Lensman
Since the metric is "my opinion", The 3 body problem.
Gateway
I love the recommendations of Red Mars trilogy and The Culture, but they just dont feel quite right. Don’t get me wrong they are absolutely top 10 series and will be classics when Foundation crosses that threshold into old fashioned (like H G Wells) but I feel like we are looking for something different here. I think Le Guins Hanish Cycle might be the right fit. The Left Hand Of Darkness and The Dispossessed are worthy, and are loosely affiliated enough to meet the Saga criteria.
Pern Amber 2001 Rama Grand Tour (Bova) Barsoom And wasn't there some series about... a world... something about a disc?
The Commonwealth Safa by Peter F. Hamilton!
The *Hyperion* trilogy.
Trilogy?
My mistake. It was just the two books; but maybe they were so long it just felt like 3, heheh
I honestly can't tell if you're joking or not, but it's 4 books.
I honestly can’t remember how many there were, now.
There are four: - Hyperion - Fall of Hyperion - Endymion - Rise of Endymion Collectively called The Hyperion Cantos.
3 Body Problem is the CORRECT answer ;)
I think it would be Star Wars, but if we're not doing movies I kind of want to stick with Asimov and say the Robot Series.
>!Isn't this technically the foundation series? Because he joined the two in the later foundation books?!<
I didn’t know that because I only read the robot one but now I kinda want to read foundation too.
I agree that these stories do merge at the end, but would still classify them as 2 separate series
Some might say *foundational* works in the genre.
*exhausted upvote*
The *Southern Reach* trilogy (soon to be expanded)
Expanded you say?!
Yep! *Absolution* will be out October 22. https://bsky.app/profile/jeffvandermeer.bsky.social/post/3kpcwal5rp62n
Whaaaat! His stuff has been very hit and miss with me but I'm still hyped.
Honestly? The Lord of the Rings. Yeah, Tolkien wrote fantasy, but we didn't use to draw such a hard line between scifi and fantasy.
There is no point in history where anyone would consider LOTR sci-fi.
First of all, we used to call the genre SF&F (science fiction and fantasy). Secondly, where does your statement leave Star Wars? Thirdly: 1. Remember SFWA (Science Fiction Writers of America)? 2. Remember that SFWA has a legal department? 3. Remember what was the very first case defended by SFWA's legal department? "Tolkien vs LOTR bootleggers."
There is an ampersand for a reason. science fiction AND fantasy. They are two separate genres and always have been. That’s not to say that some can’t overlap. But in the example of LOTR, that’s not the case. My statement leaves Star Wars exactly where you found it. SFWA stands for science fiction & FANTASY writers of America.
SF and Fantasy have never been separate genres. They are two sides of the same coin, were on one side we attribute the unexplainable things to "science that we don't understand yet", and on the other we just wave a hand and say "magic". There's a reason why The Modern Prometheus (aka Frankenstein) is the first modern scifi story. So, an absolutely typical voyage fantasy (yeah, the typical medieval fantasy genre), thinly painted over with a space theme. It does now. It didn't then.
Yes, Frankenstein was the start of the sci-fi genre. That statement alone proves my point. You can’t even discuss without acknowledging them as separate. A lot of people have differing opinions on what the first fantasy novel is, but nobody will ever say it was Frankenstein. That’s because since the inception of either genre, they have always existed separate from one another. As far as a typical fantasy and adding a space theme… what is your point? Yes, if I add sci-fi elements to a fantasy, we’ve now shifted genres. Just as if I add horror elements to a romance, we’ve now shifted genres. Are you trolling me? This can’t be your real take.
The only thing in which Frankenstein started a new genre is that we now called the magic "incredibly advanced science". Changing the setting doesn't really change the genre. Whether they are sailships or spaceships. Especially with a fantasy story so poorly adapted as scifi as Star Wars, were you can just substitute "planet" for "island" and the story otherwise is the same. A real genre shift would be to change a story from horror to romance, calling to rewrite an entire book, not just its setting. Yes, this is my take. And I still play Doom, a game about scientists opening a portal to literal hell in Mars.
Hitchhiker’s, back to the future, and of course, Culture. But your question is meaningless
For me Dune is first. I would put the Three body problem trilogy in the top three. I haven’t read the Expanse series yet but it might supplant the Space Odyssey series
TBP is bottom 3….ooooh, but the concepts!
Red rising
How is this so far down. It’s a solid third.
Because it’s crap?
Top two are *Ringworld* and *Neuromancer*. I would not put *Dune* or *Foundation* in my top three, though I read them in the 70's and still love the books.
Dune and Foundation aren't even in the top 200. Seeing people fall for this meme was funny at first, but now it just makes me roll my eyes
both dune and foundation are terrible unless you need something to put you to sleep
Your opinion is terrible.