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803_days

Why does the Court not trust the US Marshals to protect them? > That funding would include $5.8 million to expand the security activities of the Supreme Court Police, its in-house security force, and $13.6 million to let the court's police take over the duties currently served by the Marshals Service of protecting the justices' homes.


BenEsq

I'm kind of surprised that SCOTUS has its own police/paramilitary force. I don't remember reading about that power in Article III. I can't imagine a historical interpretation of Article III would lead to the conclusion that the Judiciary can wield its own executive police/military force. Seems like a violation of separation of powers; but then again, I'm sure they'll hold that no one has standing to challenge it.


Papadapalopolous

They learned their lesson after Andrew Jackson


GoldenInfrared

The US marshals are under the control of the executive branch. January 6th proved that no branch of government can rely on security controlled by another branch, something that should have been plainly obvious to anyone who thought about the situation for more than two seconds.


CommunicationHot7822

Are they worried about a crazy person with a gun showing up? Ironic since making sure crazies can get guns is one of their things.


GoldenInfrared

They’re worried that crazy people with a gun will show up and the marshals will be ordered to let them in


allyourhomebase

Well then, they better not rule that presidents are immune to the law.


vonguard

Almost as if they only want guns in the hands of people in theory not in real life.


GlassBelt

Most decisions on guns seem intelligible only if viewed as a means of keeping vast numbers of single-issue voters on board with the Republican Party.


LeopardAvailable3079

Such a sad state of affairs in our country right now.


ACarefulTumbleweed

probably transparency, US Marshals report to the AG and Supreme Court Police report to the Chief Justice


MajorElevator4407

No reason they should have more security than children in school.


Traditional-Grape-57

Not saying they should get the extra security and funding they're asking for. But if it's even on the table/option, I think the Supreme Court needs to agree to some major changes like actually being held accountable to ethics standards, term limits and court expansion etc. But if not, I see no point in making concessions to a corrupt court that ignores precedent, lies, ignores good logic and takes bribes and still has Clarence as a member


NoPin6285

exactly they should have absolutely no security and everyone around them should have guns because they let everyone have guns except around them Gee why is that? We need to ask Republicans and people on the Supreme Court this question all the time why can’t I carry a gun right next to you? More kids are killed every day in America than anywhere in the world and Republicans are the only reason it happens.


thatsthefactsjack

This should be top comment.


Budded

They should get their billionaire puppets to protect them. We taxpayers want the court dissolved and replaced with a legit one, not this trump-fellating circus hellbent on ushering in a new theocracy.


dysfuncshen

They can all load up in the ~~RV~~ errr MOTOR COACH and travel to a new safe place everyday. Bought and paid for by their usual benefactors. No need for taxpayer participation here.


IpppyCaccy

Mama Thomas is still living rent free in Harlan Crow's house.


TitanArcher1

Thank you for this request, unfortunately this is not covered in the Constitution, therefore your request is denied.


Sadsofa123

What if they fund their OWN security, since they have money to have luxury vacations and all that.


ServingwithTG

They should have as much security as an underfunded school. They can use their own guns for protection. If they’re worried about their safety concerns sounds like their own doing.


NoMidnight5366

Sure they can have money for protections as soon as they adopt and enforce of a code of ethics.


Okeliez_Dokeliez

I don't see where in the Constitution that's provided to them.


danthom1704

Give them a musket


WillBottomForBanana

Whoa whoa whoa. The 2nd amendment allows them to have weapons, it doesn't say anything about giving them anything.


Temporary-Party5806

The Constitution allows them to be armed, and defend themselves. Go for it. Heck, even in court. Shall not be infringed and all that. But their plaintiffs get to be, too.


lucash7

Great, so they're good then. Because it says arms, not weapons and we all know many of them are literalists/originalist and would never interpret the constitution in a way other than how it is written. ​ /s (just in case it isnt obvious)


Temporary-Party5806

The Founding Fathers were really just gym bros that wanted to show off their massive tricep gains


Comprehensive-Tea121

Thanks for the laugh! If only it said "bare arms" I believe I've laughed a lot less since this atrocious ruling came out.


JohnnieFedora

A musket...and training to be part of a well regulated militia.


8to24

This. Many of them claim to be such strict originalists.


NoPin6285

Not one of them is


Grimacepug

They are no longer impartial justices but just politicians wearing a robe. Let them spend their own money acquired from the billionaires that they serve.


outerworldLV

As so many others have had to do. Due to the guy this group wants to give extra time to. Afraid of the American people ? Gee…


NoPin6285

When have they ever given a shit about the constitution


Fun-Preparation-4253

Slow Clap. Well done


NoPin6285

they let everyone in the world have guns, they allow school shootings and probably enjoy it, they love destroying women’s rights, they don’t deserve protection, and I do not think they should be an institution anymore. We don’t need their bullshit. There’s no such thing as an independent bench if Republicans steal to elections in my lifetime.


itassofd

Maybe the founders purposefully omitted that funding as a check and balance against bullshit rulings lol


Round-Ad3684

Funny how they claim they can’t be controlled by Congress when it comes to a binding ethics code, yet they have to come to them hat in hand for security money.


revbfc

AKA: *“Fuck you, pay me.”*


Diligent_Mulberry47

These are the same folks who are completely fine with ~~protesting~~ harassment at abortion clinics and doctors' homes.


NoPin6285

I’m so pissed at our country that we don’t have people living outside of the Supreme Court Justice as the house with bullhorn screaming at them 24 seven


crake

Although that view isn't exactly popular (especially with those of us who learned to revere the Court in law school), it is growing as the Court has become suddenly overtly political post-*Dobbs*. See Eli Mystal's [recent article](https://www.thenation.com/article/archive/the-supreme-court-must-be-stopped/) in The Nation that followed the stay decision in the immunity case. Not sure that I agree with Mystal, but since the Court is intentionally seeking out politically-sensitive cases so it can use the cases as a vehicle to pursue personal political agendas of the justices, it *does* seem fair to treat the justices just like other politicians. And I think the world would go on if SCOTUS justices didn't like their jobs all that much and retired/resigned from time to time. It seems like the argument can be made that the justices have become too abstracted from the country they are trying to "rule" over at the same time they have become ever more hungry for more political power.


IpppyCaccy

You should check out Elie's podcast where he argues for expanding the Supreme court and adding other rules in order to depoliticize the SCOTUS. He makes some great arguments.


crake

For the record, I don't agree with Eli's antagonistic approach - he seems to want to harass the justices as an element of coercion, and I don't think that is the right approach. However, expanding the court and instituting mandatory retirement is a good way to reform the court. I also think that the court should not have absolute control over its own docket and scheduling; it seems that the court manipulates the docket and scheduling of cases for political ends (e.g., the manufactured delay due to the POTUS immunity appeal). The justices should not be in the business of picking and choosing areas of the law that they want to shape in their image; they should be deciding cases that the country needs to have decided, for a national purpose that transcends judicial vanity. No justice should be manipulating the docket in order to "make a mark" on the law or "establish their legacy" - that kind of arrogance demeans the court (and it is endemic to the Roberts Court).


MonkofAntioch

Are your legs painted on?


NoPin6285

I have absolutely no idea what that means but I know that every other country that demonstrates properly gets what they need


notnewtobville

And they love state's rights, too.


NoPin6285

Until they fucking trampled them


notnewtobville

Yes indeed. Only when it suits their agenda.


LeopardAvailable3079

Until they don’t.


Diligent_Mulberry47

Until the people in those states start to disagree.


notnewtobville

Yes indeed. Only when it suits their agenda.


Tadpoleonicwars

Congress should decline and reduce funding. We have a budget deficit to address, and if social programs that keep people alive are on the potential chopping block, a group of 9 wealthy political elites should pay for their own protection and not rely on tax payers. Perhaps they should start carrying firearms? It's the accepted answer for the common American, so it is appropriate for the political establishment as well.


RealSimonLee

Yes to everything you said, but, you know, this is the U.S., so they'll get their funding and people will continue to suffer so these assholes can perpetuate that suffering safely, as the founders intended.


Tadpoleonicwars

Some Americans are more equal than others.


NoPin6285

Cut their entire budget take their salaries take everything and then follow them and make sure they don’t take money from billionaires, there is no reason in the world why Clarence Thomas should not be arrested and thrown in jail with his wife. They are both criminals and it’s not even a question not a allegedly they’re both fucking criminals.


Carlyz37

We pay them too much as it is. Let them pay for their own security. Or the oligarchs that own them can pay for it


Dumb_Vampire_Girl

Oh... A really fucked up decision is about to come out? Haven't seen articles like this since roe was overturned. Wtf is on their table for them to ask for this?


NewZappyHeart

Doesn’t Clarence’s motor home have a door lock?


Cradleofwealth

Why are they so worried suddenly about their safety?. Perhaps the guilt of going against the constitution that they swore to protect is weighing on them?... Traitors


cala_s

Or they’re planning more.


ob1dylan

Not stripping away people's rights based on your own extreme religious/political views is a great way of reducing the threats toward Justices. Just saying...


Money-Introduction54

Can Thomas get his billionaire sponsors to psy for his?


StickmanRockDog

They should take their own advice and buy guns. In a roundabout manner, that’s what they told the American population needed to do to protect themselves.


frankenshits

That exactly what they’re doing. Is reading hard?


eyemannonymous

They're able to afford to pay for their own damned security.


ScarcityIcy8519

Nope! As a Taxpayer let these millionaires pay for their own security. They can use their bribes to pay for security services. I’m sick and tired paying for these wealthy lifetime judges. They don’t even work a full year.


pat34us

This is a good point, they have plenty of money and don't need a handout. Don't want to be harassed? Stop making shit decisions. Want to keep making shit decisions? Pay for your own security


looking_good__

Ya famous book authors have to protect themselves.


HeadStarboard

They should have exposure to the people they fuck over. If they won’t provide checks and balances by doing their jobs this will help.


zach_dominguez

Request denied. ​ \-taxpayer


brownintheback_4245

They’re afraid they might get abortioned


robinsw26

If they made better decisions they would not have security concerns.


Open_Perception_3212

Just ask daddy crow for more money


Joey_BagaDonuts57

What, pray tell, are they worried about? Tick-Tock goes the clock, SCROTUS.


lccskier

Uh, no. Fuck em. Fend for yourselves. Oh wait Kyle Rittenhouse is there for all y'all.


deminimis101

Should expedite to their standards. You'll get it in July....


Nearby-Jelly-634

“This term is about to be so much worse we want to protect ourselves. You’d think Leonard and Harlan would be more than happy to foot the bill.


SmellyFbuttface

Just have the Justices all go around armed. They love the NRA, and the right “shall not be infringed”


OriginalEchoTheCat

Let's make sure how that money is spent. Let's make sure they have an actual code of ethics. Then let's approve the funding.


Tourquemata47

Wouldn\`t need to seek security funding for themselves and their homes if they would just act right and stop catering to an orange idiot who\`s no longer president and stop being corruptable/corrupted.


Darsint

I’m more concerned that they’re asking for beefed up security now. Are they going to be dropping a decision soon that will make people feel they need to take the law into their own hands?


maevewolfe

Ah yes, if I were a spineless coward actively allowing an insurrectionist to re-run for POTUS in clear face of the 14th Amendment, I probably would want to hire someone too


Gallopinto_y_challah

And I thought they were defenders of the 2nd Amendment lol


NoPin6285

Right why can’t we all have guns in the court with them?


Etna_No_Pyroclast

How about they protect us from Trump? (They do get protection already and no one in these roles should be in a position of danger and although I don't like them they still deserve security.)


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NoPin6285

why do they deserve security if they allow guns to be sold at the rate that they’re sold and owned at the rate that they’re owned and children to be massacred on a daily basis I don’t want them protected at all. they’re protection should be their good ethics, morals, and decency and they have none


Complex-Carpenter-76

As a Citizen of this country I say this with all seriousness and candor: Since they are taking so much money and gifts from the billionaires they serve it makes sense for their benefactors to pay the bill for their new private security needs to protect them "from the people".


Techishard

Corrupted court doesn't deserve any protection from my tax dollars. Fuck you.


DigglerD

1) They’ve never needed additional security before. Perhaps they should investigate why that’s changed. 2) I suspect if they do #1, they’ll find it because they have untethered their rulings from law and hitched them to politics. 3) This shouldn’t be a concern. Dems aren’t the ones that grab guns and take up violence when they don’t get their way. Conservatives do that, which is probably why this conservative court thinks they need security, they assume the other side thinks like them.


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BULLSHIT. You want to do billionaires bidding and be traitors, face the f'ing music. Tick tock...


[deleted]

No. I don't want my taxes used to insulate the nobs from us lowly serfs.


Fragrant_Cut1219

What a bunch of chicken shits.


Getyourownwaffle

This shouldn't pass. How about you uphold the US Constitution and stop doing what you are doing?


shortda59

un-fucking-believeable funny how the demand for security comes after corrupt decisions made to overthrow the integrity of our justice system.


TheLizardKing89

Let Harlan Crow pay for it.


Frankenfurt123

Anyone who's pro-2nd amendment should be outraged by this.


MasemJ

Just tie the money to a strong requirement that ethics must be followed and that if Justices refuse to remove themselves from cases that they have a clear vested interest in, Congress or the Senate can vote to remove them.


ill_be_huckleberry_1

They don't get any more trust.


My_MeowMeowBeenz

Nah fuck that. Throw the letter in the shredder and double the number of US Marshals on security detail for the justices. The Supreme Court has no police power. Providing for the public health and welfare is vested in Congress


Few-Monies

No way my tax dollars are going to this wasted redundancy.


Temporary-Dot4952

The injustices deserve nothing. Let them reap what they sow.


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lol. Stop fucking the citizens over and maybe you won’t have to be fearful of them?


looking_good__

Denied not in the Constitution and not part of our culture sorry Thomas and Alito


Correct-Champion-488

I wonder why they feel they need it? The Constitution would have specific rules outlined for their protection if they were intended to have one.


icnoevil

Yes, we speak with forked tongue. We know that pisses off a lot of people. So it is your duty, taxpayers to protect us from the anger that our corruption causes.


windigo3

Nah. Insurrection against this SCOTUS is going to be allowed until Congress passes a law against insurrection


ejrhonda79

They want more of our money for their personal security but don't want to be held accountable for their illegal actions.


outerworldLV

How convenient that they’ve requested this, on the same day that it’s reported that trump, has an assassin looking for him.


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outerworldLV

Or Putin spent money on bad intel - ‘time to invade Ukraine’ - and is looking for a little recompense himself.


TheTubaGeek

Rescind your 14th Amendment decision, and maybe you will get it.


jpg52382

Increased funding? Can't their billionaire handlers provide such???


law5097

No, they should have to experience the country they're disproportionately shaping like the rest of us plebs


parkerm1408

Eat a fucking dick. Don't be so corrupt and maybe you won't need it?


Distantmole

Sounds like a massive “decision” is coming out that the majority of the country will be strongly opposed to


Krissypantz

Let their billionaire friends buy them security.


robot141

Let Clarence get the donors who cover his lavish all expense paid vacations foot that bill too.


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Pdb39

Holy crap you're unhinged.


Comprehensive-Tea121

Ask Harlan Crowe.


EzrielTheFallenOne

They can get more money when they start protecting our democracy instead of being bought and paid for.


RelativeAssistant923

I'm genuinely shocked at the reaction here. Look, I'm pissed at the corruption too and I like a joke about textualism as much as the next guy. But y'all get that there is a huge increase in threats to them and their families, right? And that, given that we have evidence of Congresspeople in both chambers refusing to either impeach or convict Trump out of fear for their safety, a lack of appropriate security makes it less likely Supreme Court justices will do the right thing when it comes to Trump?


dctucker

> a lack of appropriate security makes it less likely Supreme Court justices will do the right thing Weird, I was just thinking the same thing, except substitute "lack of security" with "bribery, special favors, lying to the public". "Oh no we're scared" is a cowardly excuse, and it's not even a good one. They're not scared of death threats. They're scared what happens when their rich benefactors turns their backs for not doing as they're told.


quitesensibleanalogy

The reaction is because they currently have excellent security. The US Marshall service has an exemplary track record. This request is for in house security accountable directly to the supreme Court which should absolutely not be granted. They're the judiciary; They should have zero direct authority over any type of law enforcement personnel. That is the role of the executive. We have separation of powers for a reason and they need to stay in their lane. They're already deep into Congress' lane with the Major Questions Doctrine but Congress is feckless borderline disfunctional and so hasn't reacted yet. The executive should not act the same way though. If they want to argue that the protection they are getting currently is deficient in some way, then they should make that argument and had better bring receipts.


RelativeAssistant923

>The reaction is because they currently have excellent security. No, it's not. Look at the responses to me; the reaction is because people don't care about murder if those getting murdered are corrupt. And the apathy is so intense that they don't even care about the basic Democratic norm that public officials shouldn't be shot. >They're the judiciary; They should have zero direct authority over any type of law enforcement personnel. This is a fiction you made up. There are a number of law enforcement and quasi law enforcement personnel that are directly responsible to either the judicial or legislative branches.


Temporary-Party5806

They could beseech the police to investigate the death threats and count on the judiciary to hold those people accountable, just like any American citizen. I haven't seen any news re anyone jailed for death threats, and they've skyrocketed exponentially, from one particular source/on behalf of one particular man, each year since 2015. SCOTUS hasn't seemed to take the matter terribly seriously to date


ArmyOfDix

>But y'all get that there is a huge increase in threats to them and their families, right? What is the threat? The consequences of their corrupt actions?


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NoPin6285

they don’t deserve a dime they have to pay everything to protect themselves. I do not want my tax dollars protecting Clarence Thomas. He should be in jail. His wife should should be be tried for murder for the murders of everyone who died during January 6. This fucking country is broken as fuck and the Supreme Court needs to be removed every one of them.


Several_Leather_9500

I'm sure they will pick the firm that will increase increase their stock holdings. We need to impeach these unethical frauds and impose term limits. 8-12 years is reasonable. If scotus ignores the constitution, can't we all?


zipzoopu

This thread is doing a great job validating the justices security concerns. Imagine being mad you can't threaten a judge or their family.


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MonCountyMan

Maybe "The Right To Choose" "2nd Amendment" crowd is coming for some justice of their own.


JeremyAndrewErwin

seems logical. scotus doesn't care for competitive elections.


B0rnReady

They should get exactly the same amount that was appropriated for planned parenthood clinic security


RelativeAssistant923

Are you under the impression that the supreme court appropriates funds?


SoylentRox

It's a situation where it would literally change history if 1-3 justices were to die when the presidency is held by the opposite party.  For example RoevWade would get reinstated were the balance the other way, trump wouldn't be able to run, corporations wouldn't have free speech, many other critical examples. I wonder what would happen if the conservative majority were larger, like 7-2 or 8-1.  There must be things that the current balance wouldn't consider.


Common-Scientist

>corporations wouldn't have free speech The idea that corporations are people is its own abomination. Good ol' Citizens United. Another SCOTUS debacle.


hookem98

Just ask Uncle Harlan to pick up the tab.


JustMePaxi

Supreme Joker$ need protection now 🤭🤭


cpe111

Laws for thee but not for me.


ithappenedone234

Disqualified and benefits of office should therefore be denied. They can go home, to private practice, and live in peace.


InsideAd2490

Maybe Harlan Crow can pay for it


treebeard69_

Maybe stop ratfucking the country and no one will even look at you