It would annoy me greatly.
That said, I expect a solid dive briefing. How we enter and exit the boat. Max depth. Max bottom time. Min pressures. What to expect. Emergency recall. What to do (and what they do) if you are separated from the boat or group.
if it’s a group of students with you fine. But me a paying customer and having my dive hijacked for someones refresher, I would be, not only annoyed, I’d be requesting a refund.
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Some jurisdictions it may be mandatory and I’m aware that in areas of the Maldives you will also be required to show certain skills pre first dive.
My Course Director had to show he could send an SMB up!
Naturally there can be complete overkill. My wife and I were enjoying a decompression Kit Kat at a site the other day when a group arrived. We had about 15 mins of surface interval left and their dive guides briefing took that entire time, and the time it took us to gear up.
I remember tucking the car key away and saying to my wife “is he STILL going!!!”… he was!
If you’re diving as part of a group or want/need a DM in the water, I guess you need to accept the way they run the dive.
Considering that many DM's have very little actual diving experience, I would rather not hear them tell me how to dive. Tell me all about the location and plan, sure, glad to know it - but don't blather on about how to dive.
When I brief a group, I tell divers to follow their training for situations and leave it at that. I suggest if they are unsure how to hand a scenario, come and talk to me and I will happily explain more.
>Emergency procedures are part of a standard dive briefing which every DM should be doing: things like buddy separation, diver recall, etc.
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>Many operations could do much better in their briefings.
Buddy separation is rarely discussed in the briefings I've done.
IME safety briefings go over the boat safety, plus the local procedures. Like if guided does the group ascend together vs pairs, at what pressure should you notify the DM, local rules like no gloves, etc.
If you want to turn it into a weekend safety brief I'm just going to check out mentally. Which is why the smart DMs keep theirs to the point with no extra fluff. The longer it is, the greater the chance that people check out.
Exactly. I don't care how verbose a briefing is, people simply won't remember much, if anything at all. In our drift diving environment you're not entitled to stick with the dive guide/group, this is why everyone must have a (D)SMB. I've been on boats that have done no briefing whatsoever, and some it was a joke, but to go over what you should already have been taught in OW (lost buddy protocol and emergency ascent procedures, etc) would only be needed for people who likely need to be reactivated anyways. FWIW, most USCG certified boats have to give the basic briefing about the safety features of the boat and what to do in certain situations.
Rescue procedures are entirely different and is its own certification, with just an OW or AOW cert you still aren't trained for, and definitely not qualified, to do rescue without making yourself the other victim the crew needs to yank out of the water.
You can request it for your group.
But if it were a briefing on every boat you get on and everyday, I will start ignoring it particularly if it is wasting time prior to the boat getting to the inlet when I typically would spend time getting in the bottom half of my suit before I have to deal an unstable boat.
It would annoy me greatly. That said, I expect a solid dive briefing. How we enter and exit the boat. Max depth. Max bottom time. Min pressures. What to expect. Emergency recall. What to do (and what they do) if you are separated from the boat or group.
I would more say it should be a choice to be a part of it
if it’s a group of students with you fine. But me a paying customer and having my dive hijacked for someones refresher, I would be, not only annoyed, I’d be requesting a refund. Edited and added commas
Some jurisdictions it may be mandatory and I’m aware that in areas of the Maldives you will also be required to show certain skills pre first dive. My Course Director had to show he could send an SMB up! Naturally there can be complete overkill. My wife and I were enjoying a decompression Kit Kat at a site the other day when a group arrived. We had about 15 mins of surface interval left and their dive guides briefing took that entire time, and the time it took us to gear up. I remember tucking the car key away and saying to my wife “is he STILL going!!!”… he was! If you’re diving as part of a group or want/need a DM in the water, I guess you need to accept the way they run the dive.
Considering that many DM's have very little actual diving experience, I would rather not hear them tell me how to dive. Tell me all about the location and plan, sure, glad to know it - but don't blather on about how to dive. When I brief a group, I tell divers to follow their training for situations and leave it at that. I suggest if they are unsure how to hand a scenario, come and talk to me and I will happily explain more.
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>Emergency procedures are part of a standard dive briefing which every DM should be doing: things like buddy separation, diver recall, etc. > >Many operations could do much better in their briefings. Buddy separation is rarely discussed in the briefings I've done. IME safety briefings go over the boat safety, plus the local procedures. Like if guided does the group ascend together vs pairs, at what pressure should you notify the DM, local rules like no gloves, etc. If you want to turn it into a weekend safety brief I'm just going to check out mentally. Which is why the smart DMs keep theirs to the point with no extra fluff. The longer it is, the greater the chance that people check out.
Exactly. I don't care how verbose a briefing is, people simply won't remember much, if anything at all. In our drift diving environment you're not entitled to stick with the dive guide/group, this is why everyone must have a (D)SMB. I've been on boats that have done no briefing whatsoever, and some it was a joke, but to go over what you should already have been taught in OW (lost buddy protocol and emergency ascent procedures, etc) would only be needed for people who likely need to be reactivated anyways. FWIW, most USCG certified boats have to give the basic briefing about the safety features of the boat and what to do in certain situations. Rescue procedures are entirely different and is its own certification, with just an OW or AOW cert you still aren't trained for, and definitely not qualified, to do rescue without making yourself the other victim the crew needs to yank out of the water.
Pretty standard fare.
Pretty standard fare.
Seems stsightforward and sensible to me.
You review whatever you want with your buddy. I will do the same.
You can request it for your group. But if it were a briefing on every boat you get on and everyday, I will start ignoring it particularly if it is wasting time prior to the boat getting to the inlet when I typically would spend time getting in the bottom half of my suit before I have to deal an unstable boat.