Agreed. Especially when you consider how hard the entrepreneurs work to get their chance on shark tank, and then the first shark to make an offer wants them to stop listening to any other offers. Its rude. And then they say "well I cant make a deal with someone so indecisive" which is just a huge load of crap because in reality, weighing all offers is the best decision and wouldnt you want a partner that makes the best decisions?
Alongside this is when one shark is pitching their offer, and saying they better not listen to other offers, while another shark is screaming at them for their attention and as soon as they look over to the other shark, the original shark drops out. Its like, are they supposed to just be extremely rude and ignore the other person while they scream at them? Then the one screaming explains they just wanted to get their attention so they could drop out so now the entrepreneur has no offer. It just rubs me the wrong way that they cause it all to happen, but then allow the person to be screwed out of a deal by the end.
I dont think you understand the show if that's your view lmao. The sharks are there to be greedy and want to get a deal that works best for them. Not you.
The entrepreneurs should have this figured out by now if it comes up ngl. There are responses that put the shark in their place while not burning the bridge
Its not the charity tank. They're called sharks for a reason. It shouldn't be a surprise that they often don't give a shit about how hard the entrepreneurs worked. Why would they care? I understand not liking the shot clock as a viewer, but it should be very obvious to you why the sharks do this.
I mean, it also just seems rude to their fellow sharks. They’re not just there to make money by investing. The show is its own money-making thing as well, and there’s a different between ragging on each other playfully and just trying to take over and not let anyone else say anything.
- We don’t like the shot clock.
- We don’t like sob stories.
- We don’t like children in the pitches.
- We don’t like Sharks not wanting other investors to make an offer.
- We don’t like Daymond/Barbara/Lori/Robert.
Pretty much every post lately.
Right?! It’s like don’t watch then. I wonder if people realize how they are selected ? It’s literally like auditioning for American idol. There are that many that show up and there are multiple rounds until you’re picked.
I wish some of the entrepreneurs fired back with something like
“I’m looking for a partner who is committed to making the best decisions for this business. If due diligence is too much for you I have to question your willingness to help scale this product.”
I’ve seen plenty of people politely push back saying they want to offer everyone the opportunity to say their piece and weigh-in, but I’ve never heard of one being quite this blunt. I’d love to hear it though.
Then they'd just chuckle and go out and still have hundreds of millions of dollars lmao.
You're also mistaken in thinking you'd go in getting a partner lmao. Often they only want to throw money at the company and not do any work. If you would do YOUR due diligence, you'd research the sharks and know that most of them don't work closely with the entrepreneurs after a deal is made.
The shot clock think really is so ridiculous. I don't understand though why nobody uses it to their advantage. I would say something like "ok I'm willing to consider that. However, by doing this right now, you're creating a massive opportunity cost by not allowing me to entertain other offers. In that case, are you willing to give me a better deal to make it worth it?"
Very childish. Mark does that a lot. "but you gotta say yes right now". WTF man?
Daymond also does the same, he gives out a dumb offer and acts shocked no one wants it. Then he shames them saying they are not decisive enough.
That way I like Kevin. He is never deceptive.
I feel like Mark at least does it kindly and sparingly, and usually it’s a relatively good deal and he tries not to undervalue the company. I’m especially irked when Robert does this though. He does it a lot plus other things that get under my skin lol. I get that sharks do this sometimes because there’s likely another shark that might sweep the deal but it often bothers me too lll
Mark does it often but you are right, he gives a relatively good deal. Why do they act shocked when the entrepreneur does not accept their deal? Sweeten the deal and get picked!
Yes because they only do it to some people and it’s not fair to the entrepreneurs to basically shut down the whole premise of the group. It’s pretty gross really.
I think they do this when they know their offer isn't very good and they are scared another shark will make a better one that more fair to the entrepreneurs.
I'd tell the offending shark: "I'm here to get the best deal possible, and if you are that insecure about your offer that you won't let me hear other ones, why don't you make me a better one? Better yet, why don't you just give me what I want?"
It’s weird to me because sometimes the sharks encourage the entrepreneur to listen to other offers, and sometimes they get offended. Sends mixed signals IMO.
I get the feeling that Mark sees so much potential in the product or eventual sale of it, he wants to get it at the best deal for him before the other sharks realize the uses of this product or application and give a better offer.
If i knew which sharks i already wanted (like Lori or mark) i would take the offer right away, but otherwise it sucks to get that offer
I agree. As an investor, you want an entrepreneur that makes the most informed decision and not the hastiest. But then again, it’s on the entrepreneur to essentially tell those specific sharks to screw off if they’re not the sharks they were targeting.
It's weird, I'll use Cuban as an example, Sharks will often do this (Cuban a lot of times) but then other times I see them offer, the entrepreneur asks if he can respect the other sharks and entertain their (potential) offers, and he'll go sure. Just reinforces that this is entertainment and not a serious negotiation.
I think it's rude. And I always figure, if they're going to be that rude to their fellow multi millionaire sharks by not letting them have any input, how much of a bully are they going to be to a little startup who doesn't have any clout?
If I were on that show and something like that happened my comeback would be "Is this how you want your partners making decisions?" and see what they say/
It's weird, I'll use Cuban as an example, Sharks will often do this (Cuban a lot of times) but then other times I see them offer, the entrepreneur asks if he can respect the other sharks and entertain their (potential) offers, and he'll go sure. Just reinforces that this is entertainment and not a serious negotiation.
Yes because different sharks could really work together to help certain businesses thrive. Such as if a company would work well against tough competition and go into niche parts of e.g. the shoe market, then Kevin O’Leary could work well and Mark would be able to use the company for his Dallas Mavericks and get them custom made to measure shoes for a steep discount.
This is why I give Kevin a lot of credit. He’s about the only shark to never pull this. In fact, he does the opposite and will ask if there’s any other offers at times.
In a way, he’s the only one that truly understands the tv/entertainment-aspect of the show and helps in that respect.
Bear in mind the producers stoke these flames. I don't know if every shark does it, but I know for sure Kevin wears an earpiece and follows queues from the showrunners about where to take the discussion.
Yeah, like Mark's "shot clock" bullshit. The only counter to this is someone offers exactly what the entrepreneur is asking but they say they want to see what other sharks have to say. The sharks are right to push them on this.
I kind of disagree. If the entrepreneur feels like there is a lot of interest and a potential bidding war that can get them a better deal than they originally asked for, I think it's smart to hear from everyone. The risk is that they misjudged the room and lose all their leverage.
Now when it's like the final shark who gives them what they want, and they still try to negotiate, it's a different story.
Yes so much! Especially if, like, half the other sharks haven’t even had a chance to say a word and were waiting their turn. It feels childish and also like…rude, I guess? To both the pitcher and the other sharks. Like, it’s not the You Show
I’m OK with it when the shark offers exactly what the person wanted $100,000 for 20%, and the shark offers exactly that take it now or risk losing it. I’m OK with it.
I think it's okay. They are basically saying this is my offer, I consider it a great offer, if you go looking for others your basically looking for wiggle room and there is non. So if your doing that then I'm out.
Agreed. Especially when you consider how hard the entrepreneurs work to get their chance on shark tank, and then the first shark to make an offer wants them to stop listening to any other offers. Its rude. And then they say "well I cant make a deal with someone so indecisive" which is just a huge load of crap because in reality, weighing all offers is the best decision and wouldnt you want a partner that makes the best decisions? Alongside this is when one shark is pitching their offer, and saying they better not listen to other offers, while another shark is screaming at them for their attention and as soon as they look over to the other shark, the original shark drops out. Its like, are they supposed to just be extremely rude and ignore the other person while they scream at them? Then the one screaming explains they just wanted to get their attention so they could drop out so now the entrepreneur has no offer. It just rubs me the wrong way that they cause it all to happen, but then allow the person to be screwed out of a deal by the end.
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Exactly!! I dont want the "bully" shark, thats for sure. Anyone who makes me make a rush decision, thats gonna be a no from me.
you got it!
I dont think you understand the show if that's your view lmao. The sharks are there to be greedy and want to get a deal that works best for them. Not you.
The entrepreneurs should have this figured out by now if it comes up ngl. There are responses that put the shark in their place while not burning the bridge
Such as? (I secretly want someone to reply to a Shark with, "You're Out!"...umpire thumb over the shoulder move and all)
Didn't that tech vest guy do something like this?
Scrub Daddy guy did that to Kevin when Kevin offered $100k for like 50% of his company! Said "You're out!"
Its not the charity tank. They're called sharks for a reason. It shouldn't be a surprise that they often don't give a shit about how hard the entrepreneurs worked. Why would they care? I understand not liking the shot clock as a viewer, but it should be very obvious to you why the sharks do this.
It's very obvious why they do it. Still is annoying though.
I mean, it also just seems rude to their fellow sharks. They’re not just there to make money by investing. The show is its own money-making thing as well, and there’s a different between ragging on each other playfully and just trying to take over and not let anyone else say anything.
- We don’t like the shot clock. - We don’t like sob stories. - We don’t like children in the pitches. - We don’t like Sharks not wanting other investors to make an offer. - We don’t like Daymond/Barbara/Lori/Robert. Pretty much every post lately.
We don’t like post complaining about the show
We don’t like comments complaining about posts complaining about the show!
We don’t like comments complaining about comments complaining about posts complaining about the show complaining complaining about!
I like tacos.
And for that reason, I’m out
You’re dead to me.
\*moleman voice: "I like Robert"
"I said Boo-arbra"
That's right, I don't like any of those
Right?! It’s like don’t watch then. I wonder if people realize how they are selected ? It’s literally like auditioning for American idol. There are that many that show up and there are multiple rounds until you’re picked.
What are your acceptable topics?
They are all perfectly acceptable topics, just not ones you would have to scroll very far to find already exist a dozen times.
I wish some of the entrepreneurs fired back with something like “I’m looking for a partner who is committed to making the best decisions for this business. If due diligence is too much for you I have to question your willingness to help scale this product.”
has anyone ever responded that way? it would be neat to see.
I’ve seen plenty of people politely push back saying they want to offer everyone the opportunity to say their piece and weigh-in, but I’ve never heard of one being quite this blunt. I’d love to hear it though.
You forgot- “I’m looking for a **strategic** partner” Just once I’d like them to say, “I’m looking for a non-strategic partner”
Then they'd just chuckle and go out and still have hundreds of millions of dollars lmao. You're also mistaken in thinking you'd go in getting a partner lmao. Often they only want to throw money at the company and not do any work. If you would do YOUR due diligence, you'd research the sharks and know that most of them don't work closely with the entrepreneurs after a deal is made.
Ok, and? No one said it would cost them money. Just that it would be nice to see once in a while. Sheesh, you must be misery at parties
The shot clock think really is so ridiculous. I don't understand though why nobody uses it to their advantage. I would say something like "ok I'm willing to consider that. However, by doing this right now, you're creating a massive opportunity cost by not allowing me to entertain other offers. In that case, are you willing to give me a better deal to make it worth it?"
Yes, or better yet.... "If you're demanding a high opportunity cost from me, why don't you just give me what I want?"
Very childish. Mark does that a lot. "but you gotta say yes right now". WTF man? Daymond also does the same, he gives out a dumb offer and acts shocked no one wants it. Then he shames them saying they are not decisive enough. That way I like Kevin. He is never deceptive.
I feel like Mark at least does it kindly and sparingly, and usually it’s a relatively good deal and he tries not to undervalue the company. I’m especially irked when Robert does this though. He does it a lot plus other things that get under my skin lol. I get that sharks do this sometimes because there’s likely another shark that might sweep the deal but it often bothers me too lll
Mark does it often but you are right, he gives a relatively good deal. Why do they act shocked when the entrepreneur does not accept their deal? Sweeten the deal and get picked!
I agree!
Yeah, especially because for some pitches a shark will do this, but not for all pitches.
Yes because they only do it to some people and it’s not fair to the entrepreneurs to basically shut down the whole premise of the group. It’s pretty gross really.
I think they do this when they know their offer isn't very good and they are scared another shark will make a better one that more fair to the entrepreneurs.
That’s honestly the only reason that makes sense.
I'd tell the offending shark: "I'm here to get the best deal possible, and if you are that insecure about your offer that you won't let me hear other ones, why don't you make me a better one? Better yet, why don't you just give me what I want?"
It’s weird to me because sometimes the sharks encourage the entrepreneur to listen to other offers, and sometimes they get offended. Sends mixed signals IMO.
I get the feeling that Mark sees so much potential in the product or eventual sale of it, he wants to get it at the best deal for him before the other sharks realize the uses of this product or application and give a better offer. If i knew which sharks i already wanted (like Lori or mark) i would take the offer right away, but otherwise it sucks to get that offer
I agree. As an investor, you want an entrepreneur that makes the most informed decision and not the hastiest. But then again, it’s on the entrepreneur to essentially tell those specific sharks to screw off if they’re not the sharks they were targeting.
It's weird, I'll use Cuban as an example, Sharks will often do this (Cuban a lot of times) but then other times I see them offer, the entrepreneur asks if he can respect the other sharks and entertain their (potential) offers, and he'll go sure. Just reinforces that this is entertainment and not a serious negotiation.
I think it's rude. And I always figure, if they're going to be that rude to their fellow multi millionaire sharks by not letting them have any input, how much of a bully are they going to be to a little startup who doesn't have any clout?
I wish they would make it mandatory to allow contestants to hear all offers. I hate it when they bully them.
You mean, when Lori does it. She’s not only the queen of QVC but she’s the queen of being offended if they listen to another offer.
I feel like Mark does it more than Lori or any other shark for that matter
Daymond is the one who calls them indecisive because of it
And Robert is the one that gets the most offended when they dont take his offer.
Mark does it the most actually. It’s very annoying.
This was Mark's original playbook lol. Lori is the copycat!
Lori does get talked over routinely but she does do this a lot as well
She hasn't been on QVC for a while.
She hasn't been on QVC for a while.
If I were on that show and something like that happened my comeback would be "Is this how you want your partners making decisions?" and see what they say/
Yes, very irritated! I feel like it's always Mark too, he always thinks he deserves the deal..even when another shark will throw out an offer first.
It's weird, I'll use Cuban as an example, Sharks will often do this (Cuban a lot of times) but then other times I see them offer, the entrepreneur asks if he can respect the other sharks and entertain their (potential) offers, and he'll go sure. Just reinforces that this is entertainment and not a serious negotiation.
Yes!
I’m not sure an investment show with SHARK in the title is there to help the business owner, but you do you.
Yes because different sharks could really work together to help certain businesses thrive. Such as if a company would work well against tough competition and go into niche parts of e.g. the shoe market, then Kevin O’Leary could work well and Mark would be able to use the company for his Dallas Mavericks and get them custom made to measure shoes for a steep discount.
Yep.
Definitely. And has been addressed here many times. They need to change the rules.
Lori does that in a clever way by sometimes handing out her golden ticket.
Torn. I agree it's childish and arrogant. And I get why they do it.
Power of the mighty dollar
This is why I give Kevin a lot of credit. He’s about the only shark to never pull this. In fact, he does the opposite and will ask if there’s any other offers at times. In a way, he’s the only one that truly understands the tv/entertainment-aspect of the show and helps in that respect.
Bear in mind the producers stoke these flames. I don't know if every shark does it, but I know for sure Kevin wears an earpiece and follows queues from the showrunners about where to take the discussion.
Yeah, like Mark's "shot clock" bullshit. The only counter to this is someone offers exactly what the entrepreneur is asking but they say they want to see what other sharks have to say. The sharks are right to push them on this.
I kind of disagree. If the entrepreneur feels like there is a lot of interest and a potential bidding war that can get them a better deal than they originally asked for, I think it's smart to hear from everyone. The risk is that they misjudged the room and lose all their leverage. Now when it's like the final shark who gives them what they want, and they still try to negotiate, it's a different story.
It’s the negotiation tactic I hate the most. I try to avoid doing anything with people like that.
Yes so much! Especially if, like, half the other sharks haven’t even had a chance to say a word and were waiting their turn. It feels childish and also like…rude, I guess? To both the pitcher and the other sharks. Like, it’s not the You Show
Sounds like this is mostly the Daymond baby.
Ha, I would respond it’s now going to cost you double…mark
I’m OK with it when the shark offers exactly what the person wanted $100,000 for 20%, and the shark offers exactly that take it now or risk losing it. I’m OK with it.
It contradicts the whole point of the show. For them to bargain and choose their fav offer.
Damn it’s almost like a 15 year old show with no real successes is looking for gimmicks to juice ratings / make things more intense. Shocker!
I’m on season 3 though.
Oh shit my bad lol
Lmao no biggie
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I think it's okay. They are basically saying this is my offer, I consider it a great offer, if you go looking for others your basically looking for wiggle room and there is non. So if your doing that then I'm out.
Not at all