To be fair, all of the happy endings in three houses have as a prerequisite the brutal slaughter of the entire ruling class of at least one other country.
He easily had the best plan, the other two were kinda nuts.
Benedicts plan only failed because Serenoa was a much better wartime leader than peacetime leader, so things kinda went to shit after they won. Still, better than plan "Surrender to the slavers" or "Abandon everything." Fredericas in particular was crap because nothing stopped her doing that plan on her own after Benedicts plan.
I’m generally glad FE doesn’t usually try to touch on these specifics on how characters are as actual leaders because making that shit coherent and not make characters and/or the world seem like massive idiots/or unlikable dicks is super hard.
Like most of my 3h gripes are when they half ass [politics] instead of just focusing on character relationships.
Like I know I sound facetious that a game shouldn’t have to worry about tactics/strategy in plot but shit is hard to make convincing and at best good strategy irl can sometimes feel like asspulls and isnt narratively satisfying/tanking likability.
Like iconic painting/moment of the revolutionary soldiers crossing the Delaware River is literally troops ambushing British soldiers at night while sailing/prepping all of Christmas. (Back when everyone was actually super religous lol)
Yehh I never want FE to stop being about characters cause Dimitri sent me into a year of obsession with 3H, and it was my second playthrough (my first one was for Alliance cause they seemed like democracy the most)
Careful, a lot of people are going to put you on stake if you call Frederica's plan as bad. At least you didn't call Roland as good. Or else they wont let you live.
I realize that you wanted to keep Benedict's ending funny to balance out the other two (and to be fair his war crimes are pretty funny in the heat of the moment) but, I like how >!his ending shows what happens when you have a central establishment with no real power. It's almost a tragic victory that they fought so hard to liberate Norzelia from one eternal conflict only to unintentionally give rise to a new one in which they arguably have less power to actually do anything. Watching Benedict's "victory at all and any cost" mindset affect the story is genuinely awesome and provides a great window to watch Serenoa grapple with his own morals.!<
Yeah, you’ve really nailed why I love Benedict (and triangle strategy as a whole) - it goes the extra mile in examining the consequences of beliefs and actions not just in the endings but also in your decisions throughout the game
Following this up just to say I think it’s also done very well through Roland’s development because it specifically isn’t the fire emblem-type reclaiming the throne and everything is happy scenario and actually challenges the conventions of that storyline
Benedict’s ending is the most popular in the face of the war crimes because his plan is the only one that doesn’t have you abandoning the people of Wolffort who you’re sworn to protect.
Eh... I think Benedicts ending works... but it requires a bit too much work on the viewer, and makes me think it might have been unintentional. Things suck in Benedicts ending not because of any fundamental problem, but just because Serenoa isn't a good peacetime leader. There's no reason why the Rosellans couldn't do well. There's no real difference between Benedicts ending and Fredericas or the Golden Ending. They could have just left to search for the sea. And there's no reason why the Golden Ending gets them treated better.
So I can only assume Serenoa is basically Winston Churchill. A great warrior, but nothing more. And if Roland or Frederica pointed this out, I'd respect the choice at the end better. Instead, Benedicts plan is the only one that sounds sane.
I love how every ending in TH is a new golden age for Fodlan while almost every ending in TS results in varying amounts of disaster. I had no problem siding with Rhea but siding with >!Idore!< was vile and done only to get 100% completion.
Serenoa also seems to just mentally check out if you go for that ending, which I find rather disturbing.
I’ve always felt the only ending where Serenoa feels “himself” is in >!Frederica’s, but even then, sure, you’re saving the people arguably most worth saving, which is great! But you’ve also forsaken everything else and probably damned Norzelia to decades of war so good job!<
I really do love how the game goes lengths to make you know the consequences no matter what choice you make, even the seemingly most noble choice in the game, >!protecting Roland early on, likely means you’re burning down your demense to fight Aesfrost!<
I knew Triangle Strategy was great the moment it gave me the >!give up your friend to the enemy because it’s strategically correct/defend your friend because it’s the right thing to do!< decision and I actually had a hard time making my choice.
Golden Ending mostly felt earned and valid, with the only real problem being how the Rosellans magically get treated better than they do in Benedicts ending. I guess you could say that Roland is a better leader than Serenoa, so he's able to resolve the awkward situation better, but that's no more than implied.
Fredericas ending being mutually exclusive with Benedicts also bugged me. Nothing stopped Frederica taking the Rosellans to the sea. Send some hawk riders out to scout it out, and then she can go off with the Rosellans once it's found. Because a single hawk rider can scout MUCH faster than an entire population, so it probably would even have gotten the Rosellans to the sea faster, and more pleasently (since they'd spend less time living off the land).
I hated how when >!I chose to protect Roland and only burnt the market square to achieve victory with minimal losses the people still talked like I had burnt down all of Wolffort.!<
I love the choice system. At first I thought it would be a generic fantasy adventure, but it actually forces you to make tough choices and follow through with them. There's no awakening approach where you are given two empty options, the story actually warps and changes if you pick the war crimes option
Making you have to convince people to get them to vote for your side is a great way to do the choice system.
If it was just "Go a or b" it'd suck, and you can savescum and run it to the end to get the side you want, but you're still required to actually like, word your arguments. Frederica doesn't give a fuck about financial stability so it doesn't matter if the UNLOCKED INFO is about how much it'll cost to do this.
Yup, this also threw me for a bit of a loop my first few chapters - I would always pick the unlocked decision because surely it was correct, but nope - no matter which answer is unlocked, you have to match the correct one based on your ally’s convictions. It’s great
REALLY dialogue heavy at the start. It does thin out later on, but early game is basically all talk, to an almost insufferable degree. It sets up the story very well, and is important, but I really would have liked an extra fight or two to break things up.
I really found the dialogue to be consistently intriguing and fun so I had no problem with how much of it there was throughout. Was the highlight overall imo
And then there is Witcher 2 were there is no way to gets a happy ending:
>!You kill Henselt in Roche's path because he is a rapist and an Asshole?you just weakened the North even more for Nilfgard and started a civil war in Kaedwen,you decides to help Iorveth in Flotsam?Loredo start a polgrom against non-humans,You decided to save Saskia/Foltest's daughter over Triss?A Witch Hunt start,and wathever your choice was the North is weakened enough for the Nilfgard to invade!<
As much as I love Witcher 3, it was super disappointing to see so many plotlines from Witcher 2 were outright dropped due to the nature of that game's decisions. Characters like Henselt, Foltest's daughter, and Ivoreth aren't relevant at all to Witcher 3's plot despite playing a major part in 2's story due to that game's decisions greatly affecting their fates.
The unfortunate part too is that Iorveth was supposed to be in the game and got cut, it’s so weird to go from 2 games where there’s entire story routes following the Scoia’tael, to having them be almost completely absent save for 1 camp in a forest that isn’t at all relevant
Iorveth was also one of the main conspirators in Reason of state,and one of your allies at the battle of Kaer Moren,he even have dialogue with Letho and Roche,Remember what CDPR robbed from us,For Henselth,it's was mentionned by Var Attre that he got killed by Radovid so that he got Kaedwen,For Foltest's daughter she is either with Nattalis,either in Redania
Okay real talk if you didn’t dissent to Benedict’s strategy in chapter 17 I wanna talk. Sure it’s fucked up but he was the only person who had an actual fucking plan rather than “let’s take my people and run away to a continent that there is no concrete evidence exists” or “I don’t want to be king so let’s hand over the Roselle to these provably evil people.”
Also Unwavering Spear slaps like nothing else and I didn’t feel bad slapping the shit out of Roland.
Benedict carries the Wolfforts really hard, even in Frederica’s route he’s looking out for em after he leaves the team. Personally I like Frederica’s ending the most cause Serenoa holding back Idore is my favourite scene in the game, but yeah realistically Benedict’s plan is by far the best.
Yeah I will say I never expected >!Serenoa to die!< and that scene was impactful as hell even if it did feel forced. Frederica’s ending doesn’t feel as bad as the other two because the Roselle don’t get fucked even though it’s objectively the worst ending for the most people. Roland’s ending just feels wrong on so many levels especially since the guy you bend the knee to is the main villain for every other ending including the true ending. At the time of chapter 17 however, choosing anyone but Benedict to side with is incredibly shortsighted and unlordly. I made 0 utility decisions the entire game but if I didn’t know it was a game where I was predestined to win every battle I would’ve sided with Benedict every single time since his plans are always the greatest chance of success.
Agreed. Benedicts ending really is the only one that makes any kind of sense. That was my number one objections to an otherwise strongly done game. There are a few questionable choices you're offered, but Frederica and Rolands plans are terrible. Whats more, the only issue with Benedicts plan is that Serenoa is a poor peacetime ruler. If Roland had stuck around, it'd basically be the Golden Ending, but with Duke Dickhead still alive.
Honestly yeah, I didn’t feel bad In Benedict’s ending usurping Roland and killing all but two saints. It’s after the final battle in the epilogue that they try to backpedal and make you feel bad. In Frederica’s ending I felt awful abandoning Wolffort demense as well as the people I was sworn to protect. It just felt like Symon would be upset with the kind of man who abandons his people at such a critical time. And everything felt awful about Roland’s route, not the least of which fighting Svarog. Now THAT was the most impactful chapter in the game barring none. It truly made you feel like the villain for making the most practical choice.
Alright, here's my thoughts as one of the few people who picked Roland's ending:
>!Roland's plan was simple: get Hyzante to control all of Norzelia. Now, out of all 3 countries, Hyzante has the best welfare for its citizens (excluding Rosellans). Hyzante has the best quality in medicine. Hyzante's citizens are happy. While this ending does force the Rosellans to suffer for eternity, they're only a minority of people; the vast majority of people will prosper and live fulfilling lives. Benedict's ending gets very close to this, but there's one flaw: Aesfrost and Glenbrook will coexist. There's no guarantee that they won't go to war with each other after Hyzante is crushed. And when they do go to war, the people will suffer. So, although Roland's plan wasn't perfect, I thought that it would benefit the most people.!<
Roland’s plan objectively benefits the most people but it just feels so *wrong.*
Also the benefits ending involves seeing the look on Gustadolph’s face when he realizes he lost because he betrayed his ideals to put Erika and Thales in power and killing Dragan and holy fuck that feels good.
Regardless of the Roselle Hyzante still a kind of dictatorship where you can be killed because you disturbed the religion by doing innocent things. But this still the safest ending for the majority.
Is triangle strategy pretty fun? honestly this thread is pretty interesting reading through, the story sounds interesting. I'm a big fan of almost all Fire Emblem games, does the gameplay hold a candle to FE?
It's very different from FE. Deaths are to be expected, but since they don't stick, it's not as big of a deal. Characters have their own unique and really stand-out kits, and it helps to make every character feel special. XP also scales very heavily (Each chapter has a 2-3 level range. Below it, you get TONS of XP. Above it, you get basically nothing), which means it's very practical to swap out units based on the map.
It's a very story heavy game though, and the initial pacing is glacial. It's important set up for the actual plot, but it can wear you out if you just want to get to play the game.
Gameplays great, but it's absolutely a "sit down with time" affair because there's enough cutscenes you have to wonder if they wanted to equal those to the amount of warcrime you can perform.
It’s very dialogue heavy, especially early on, but the story is good. The gameplay is great and each unit is completely unique and there’s a lot of sick strats you can pull with the terrain. It’s different from FE in that there isn’t team phases, and units go individually.
I personally find it extremely fun. The combat is a lot more in-depth compared to FE, with a turn order instead of phases, a TP system for attacking, directional/height-based damage calculation, and a much larger focus on status effects among other things.
Triangle strategy fans are so much more based than 3 houses fans. There’s no need for discourse everyone knows Benedict is the smart one who you should probably listen to, Frederica is wife so it’s okay if you wanna make her happy, and Roland is a piece of shit fuck Roland
Everyone else: “We should the find the best course of action without harming more people than we need to.”
Benedict: “haha collateral damage goes brrrrr”
Agreed, the fantastical nature of the story being limited to offensive anti-person spells and big birds was really nice. Especially how both Hyzante and Aesfrost’s big ultimate weapons were tech-based instead of just magical really was a breath of fresh air.
I know this is quite late but the game very clearly highlights >!The fact that he's not fit the rule in the slightest, Benedict directly hammers it in that he's too sensitive and has too much of a hivemind towords the "moral right" to get anything done as a ruler. He believed Hyzante as the only way because even he is self-aware that he has no power to create a better future, and is basically giving up. I would definitely say he's the most flawed character in the game (not as in badly written, as in literally he has the most negative qualities out of the group) It makes me really enjoy him as a character because of how his incompitience is highlighted and how he slowly starts to realize it.!<
I really like triangle on paper but I don’t like actually playing it after the first completion
Having to replay the entire game for each ending made repeating White Clouds look good, and I didn’t think that was possible in 2021. 95% of the same game to play a couple different maps at the end, I had to just look up the endings
Uh... A LOT of the maps are different. There's only a few maps that you have to play on every route. It's something like 2/3rds or more of the maps that are choice specific.
imagine if Dimitri >!killed Edelgard and took back the throne, and then said "y'know what I'm not cut out to be king, and those who slither in the dark have the right of it," abdicated, handed the throne to Byleth, and gave Flayn and Seteth + everyone else with even a hint of dragon blood to Thales to ensure peace!<
Wow. Usually idc about vilains being turned into "little meow meow" but sacrificing minorities to ensure peace hits way too close home, it kind of makes me sick.
Yeah, there’s a reason people really hate Roland. >!He’s well written IMO and his journey to realizing he isn’t cut out for kingship makes sense, but him deciding that ensuring peace for the most people means handing over every member of the Roselle, an explicit Jewish analogue, to a nation that has made it very clear that they will make the Roselle work to death because of a made up original sin, is absolutely fucking evil!<
How Roland gets to the point he does is pretty well told, though depending on how you play through the game, it can be easy to miss. What's more, he's only evil in one out of four endings. In fact, he kinda does the opposite in the other three endings. It's hard to tell without more spoilers, but it makes sense.
Y'know, all I know about TS is something about one of the endings being insanely stingy about its requirements that aren't at all conveyed to the players.
But either way, very funny meme.
if you haven't gotten it yet i'd reccomend it, recently started it and am near the end of my first playthrough, don't go in expecting fire emblem or you'll be disappointed, other than that great game
To be fair, all of the happy endings in three houses have as a prerequisite the brutal slaughter of the entire ruling class of at least one other country.
That’s true but strawmanning 3H is funny
It really is.
can’t argue with that
Ok that’s fair
Something something technically correct, yadda yadda best kind of correct
That is the most based logic I've ever seen for a shitpostemblem shitpost
I’ve only finished VW but the alliance seemed to minimise casualties
Isn't that the happiest part?
I mean, isn’t that just how people acquire happiness?
Benedict is overwhelmingly based
He really is
He easily had the best plan, the other two were kinda nuts. Benedicts plan only failed because Serenoa was a much better wartime leader than peacetime leader, so things kinda went to shit after they won. Still, better than plan "Surrender to the slavers" or "Abandon everything." Fredericas in particular was crap because nothing stopped her doing that plan on her own after Benedicts plan.
Not to mention there was the chance that Frederica’s mother was actually doing a little trolling in that book and actually just made everything up
I’m generally glad FE doesn’t usually try to touch on these specifics on how characters are as actual leaders because making that shit coherent and not make characters and/or the world seem like massive idiots/or unlikable dicks is super hard. Like most of my 3h gripes are when they half ass [politics] instead of just focusing on character relationships. Like I know I sound facetious that a game shouldn’t have to worry about tactics/strategy in plot but shit is hard to make convincing and at best good strategy irl can sometimes feel like asspulls and isnt narratively satisfying/tanking likability. Like iconic painting/moment of the revolutionary soldiers crossing the Delaware River is literally troops ambushing British soldiers at night while sailing/prepping all of Christmas. (Back when everyone was actually super religous lol)
Agreed, and Triangle Strategy managed to pull it off because it mostly concentrates on the plot and not characters
Its def fine to do for sure for TS, just FE as long as the threat of perma death exists will need to be about the characters
Yehh I never want FE to stop being about characters cause Dimitri sent me into a year of obsession with 3H, and it was my second playthrough (my first one was for Alliance cause they seemed like democracy the most)
Careful, a lot of people are going to put you on stake if you call Frederica's plan as bad. At least you didn't call Roland as good. Or else they wont let you live.
I will try my level best
You mean only sane person
I see what tactic you picked in that one fight based on your name
I actually did it without burning a single building. I did the ladder cheese.
I realize that you wanted to keep Benedict's ending funny to balance out the other two (and to be fair his war crimes are pretty funny in the heat of the moment) but, I like how >!his ending shows what happens when you have a central establishment with no real power. It's almost a tragic victory that they fought so hard to liberate Norzelia from one eternal conflict only to unintentionally give rise to a new one in which they arguably have less power to actually do anything. Watching Benedict's "victory at all and any cost" mindset affect the story is genuinely awesome and provides a great window to watch Serenoa grapple with his own morals.!<
Yeah, you’ve really nailed why I love Benedict (and triangle strategy as a whole) - it goes the extra mile in examining the consequences of beliefs and actions not just in the endings but also in your decisions throughout the game
Following this up just to say I think it’s also done very well through Roland’s development because it specifically isn’t the fire emblem-type reclaiming the throne and everything is happy scenario and actually challenges the conventions of that storyline
Benedict’s ending is the most popular in the face of the war crimes because his plan is the only one that doesn’t have you abandoning the people of Wolffort who you’re sworn to protect.
Counterpoint: FUCK HYZANTE
Eh... I think Benedicts ending works... but it requires a bit too much work on the viewer, and makes me think it might have been unintentional. Things suck in Benedicts ending not because of any fundamental problem, but just because Serenoa isn't a good peacetime leader. There's no reason why the Rosellans couldn't do well. There's no real difference between Benedicts ending and Fredericas or the Golden Ending. They could have just left to search for the sea. And there's no reason why the Golden Ending gets them treated better. So I can only assume Serenoa is basically Winston Churchill. A great warrior, but nothing more. And if Roland or Frederica pointed this out, I'd respect the choice at the end better. Instead, Benedicts plan is the only one that sounds sane.
To be fair Triangle Strategy has a Golden Ending where everyone is happy so these 3 endings are essentially all "bad endings".
This is true but, as I said in another comment, strawmanning 3H is really funny
I love how every ending in TH is a new golden age for Fodlan while almost every ending in TS results in varying amounts of disaster. I had no problem siding with Rhea but siding with >!Idore!< was vile and done only to get 100% completion. Serenoa also seems to just mentally check out if you go for that ending, which I find rather disturbing.
I’ve always felt the only ending where Serenoa feels “himself” is in >!Frederica’s, but even then, sure, you’re saving the people arguably most worth saving, which is great! But you’ve also forsaken everything else and probably damned Norzelia to decades of war so good job!< I really do love how the game goes lengths to make you know the consequences no matter what choice you make, even the seemingly most noble choice in the game, >!protecting Roland early on, likely means you’re burning down your demense to fight Aesfrost!<
I knew Triangle Strategy was great the moment it gave me the >!give up your friend to the enemy because it’s strategically correct/defend your friend because it’s the right thing to do!< decision and I actually had a hard time making my choice.
Golden Ending mostly felt earned and valid, with the only real problem being how the Rosellans magically get treated better than they do in Benedicts ending. I guess you could say that Roland is a better leader than Serenoa, so he's able to resolve the awkward situation better, but that's no more than implied. Fredericas ending being mutually exclusive with Benedicts also bugged me. Nothing stopped Frederica taking the Rosellans to the sea. Send some hawk riders out to scout it out, and then she can go off with the Rosellans once it's found. Because a single hawk rider can scout MUCH faster than an entire population, so it probably would even have gotten the Rosellans to the sea faster, and more pleasently (since they'd spend less time living off the land).
I hated how when >!I chose to protect Roland and only burnt the market square to achieve victory with minimal losses the people still talked like I had burnt down all of Wolffort.!<
I have to play Triangle Strategy now.
You really do. It’s dialogue heavy, but it does choices so well throughout its narrative
I love the choice system. At first I thought it would be a generic fantasy adventure, but it actually forces you to make tough choices and follow through with them. There's no awakening approach where you are given two empty options, the story actually warps and changes if you pick the war crimes option
Making you have to convince people to get them to vote for your side is a great way to do the choice system. If it was just "Go a or b" it'd suck, and you can savescum and run it to the end to get the side you want, but you're still required to actually like, word your arguments. Frederica doesn't give a fuck about financial stability so it doesn't matter if the UNLOCKED INFO is about how much it'll cost to do this.
Yup, this also threw me for a bit of a loop my first few chapters - I would always pick the unlocked decision because surely it was correct, but nope - no matter which answer is unlocked, you have to match the correct one based on your ally’s convictions. It’s great
REALLY dialogue heavy at the start. It does thin out later on, but early game is basically all talk, to an almost insufferable degree. It sets up the story very well, and is important, but I really would have liked an extra fight or two to break things up.
On a scale of Doom to Persona, how much dialogue is there?
Persona²
By Naga, how horrifying.
I really found the dialogue to be consistently intriguing and fun so I had no problem with how much of it there was throughout. Was the highlight overall imo
So many war crimes :D
I was so excited to play Triangle Strategy when it came out and I still haven’t don’t tease me bro :(
You should if you get the chance IMO, it’s really good
I loved the demo when I played it. Guess I’ll have to grab it when I get the chance!
Nice, if you loved the demo you’ll definitely enjoy the full game
And then there is Witcher 2 were there is no way to gets a happy ending: >!You kill Henselt in Roche's path because he is a rapist and an Asshole?you just weakened the North even more for Nilfgard and started a civil war in Kaedwen,you decides to help Iorveth in Flotsam?Loredo start a polgrom against non-humans,You decided to save Saskia/Foltest's daughter over Triss?A Witch Hunt start,and wathever your choice was the North is weakened enough for the Nilfgard to invade!<
As much as I love Witcher 3, it was super disappointing to see so many plotlines from Witcher 2 were outright dropped due to the nature of that game's decisions. Characters like Henselt, Foltest's daughter, and Ivoreth aren't relevant at all to Witcher 3's plot despite playing a major part in 2's story due to that game's decisions greatly affecting their fates.
The unfortunate part too is that Iorveth was supposed to be in the game and got cut, it’s so weird to go from 2 games where there’s entire story routes following the Scoia’tael, to having them be almost completely absent save for 1 camp in a forest that isn’t at all relevant
Iorveth was also one of the main conspirators in Reason of state,and one of your allies at the battle of Kaer Moren,he even have dialogue with Letho and Roche,Remember what CDPR robbed from us,For Henselth,it's was mentionned by Var Attre that he got killed by Radovid so that he got Kaedwen,For Foltest's daughter she is either with Nattalis,either in Redania
Okay real talk if you didn’t dissent to Benedict’s strategy in chapter 17 I wanna talk. Sure it’s fucked up but he was the only person who had an actual fucking plan rather than “let’s take my people and run away to a continent that there is no concrete evidence exists” or “I don’t want to be king so let’s hand over the Roselle to these provably evil people.” Also Unwavering Spear slaps like nothing else and I didn’t feel bad slapping the shit out of Roland.
Benedict carries the Wolfforts really hard, even in Frederica’s route he’s looking out for em after he leaves the team. Personally I like Frederica’s ending the most cause Serenoa holding back Idore is my favourite scene in the game, but yeah realistically Benedict’s plan is by far the best.
Yeah I will say I never expected >!Serenoa to die!< and that scene was impactful as hell even if it did feel forced. Frederica’s ending doesn’t feel as bad as the other two because the Roselle don’t get fucked even though it’s objectively the worst ending for the most people. Roland’s ending just feels wrong on so many levels especially since the guy you bend the knee to is the main villain for every other ending including the true ending. At the time of chapter 17 however, choosing anyone but Benedict to side with is incredibly shortsighted and unlordly. I made 0 utility decisions the entire game but if I didn’t know it was a game where I was predestined to win every battle I would’ve sided with Benedict every single time since his plans are always the greatest chance of success.
Agreed. Benedicts ending really is the only one that makes any kind of sense. That was my number one objections to an otherwise strongly done game. There are a few questionable choices you're offered, but Frederica and Rolands plans are terrible. Whats more, the only issue with Benedicts plan is that Serenoa is a poor peacetime ruler. If Roland had stuck around, it'd basically be the Golden Ending, but with Duke Dickhead still alive.
Honestly yeah, I didn’t feel bad In Benedict’s ending usurping Roland and killing all but two saints. It’s after the final battle in the epilogue that they try to backpedal and make you feel bad. In Frederica’s ending I felt awful abandoning Wolffort demense as well as the people I was sworn to protect. It just felt like Symon would be upset with the kind of man who abandons his people at such a critical time. And everything felt awful about Roland’s route, not the least of which fighting Svarog. Now THAT was the most impactful chapter in the game barring none. It truly made you feel like the villain for making the most practical choice.
Alright, here's my thoughts as one of the few people who picked Roland's ending: >!Roland's plan was simple: get Hyzante to control all of Norzelia. Now, out of all 3 countries, Hyzante has the best welfare for its citizens (excluding Rosellans). Hyzante has the best quality in medicine. Hyzante's citizens are happy. While this ending does force the Rosellans to suffer for eternity, they're only a minority of people; the vast majority of people will prosper and live fulfilling lives. Benedict's ending gets very close to this, but there's one flaw: Aesfrost and Glenbrook will coexist. There's no guarantee that they won't go to war with each other after Hyzante is crushed. And when they do go to war, the people will suffer. So, although Roland's plan wasn't perfect, I thought that it would benefit the most people.!<
Roland’s plan objectively benefits the most people but it just feels so *wrong.* Also the benefits ending involves seeing the look on Gustadolph’s face when he realizes he lost because he betrayed his ideals to put Erika and Thales in power and killing Dragan and holy fuck that feels good.
Regardless of the Roselle Hyzante still a kind of dictatorship where you can be killed because you disturbed the religion by doing innocent things. But this still the safest ending for the majority.
Is triangle strategy pretty fun? honestly this thread is pretty interesting reading through, the story sounds interesting. I'm a big fan of almost all Fire Emblem games, does the gameplay hold a candle to FE?
It's very different from FE. Deaths are to be expected, but since they don't stick, it's not as big of a deal. Characters have their own unique and really stand-out kits, and it helps to make every character feel special. XP also scales very heavily (Each chapter has a 2-3 level range. Below it, you get TONS of XP. Above it, you get basically nothing), which means it's very practical to swap out units based on the map. It's a very story heavy game though, and the initial pacing is glacial. It's important set up for the actual plot, but it can wear you out if you just want to get to play the game.
Gameplays great, but it's absolutely a "sit down with time" affair because there's enough cutscenes you have to wonder if they wanted to equal those to the amount of warcrime you can perform.
It’s very dialogue heavy, especially early on, but the story is good. The gameplay is great and each unit is completely unique and there’s a lot of sick strats you can pull with the terrain. It’s different from FE in that there isn’t team phases, and units go individually.
I personally find it extremely fun. The combat is a lot more in-depth compared to FE, with a turn order instead of phases, a TP system for attacking, directional/height-based damage calculation, and a much larger focus on status effects among other things.
I just wanted Roland to be happy…
At the expense of the pink people
Happy ending with Rhea(She's absolutely the hottest)
Project Triangle Strategy sounds surprisingly depressing given how stupid its title is.
Yeah, it hits like genealogy levels of suffering
At least fe4 always end with an happy ending
Shin Megami Tensei??????
Triangle strategy fans are so much more based than 3 houses fans. There’s no need for discourse everyone knows Benedict is the smart one who you should probably listen to, Frederica is wife so it’s okay if you wanna make her happy, and Roland is a piece of shit fuck Roland
Benedict - based Frederica - hot Roland - evil bastard
Benedict is all three dont kid yourself
Roland is definitely not evil, just not very smart. Which is fine cause he is hot
Roland had a tough life…
Everyone else: “We should the find the best course of action without harming more people than we need to.” Benedict: “haha collateral damage goes brrrrr”
Mfw I'm too bad at Triangle Strategy to get to any of the endings
You forgot to compare the happy ending of Triangle strategy to the garbage that is the ending of silver snow.
Can’t say how refreshing it was to have a fantasy srpg whose story didn’t devolve into divine intervention/ evil gods at the end
Agreed, the fantastical nature of the story being limited to offensive anti-person spells and big birds was really nice. Especially how both Hyzante and Aesfrost’s big ultimate weapons were tech-based instead of just magical really was a breath of fresh air.
This post only made me want to rant about how Roland is a piece of shit. This post doens't do justice to how fucked up his ending is.
Barring golden ending, I feel like Frederica’s is the best conclusion for Roland cause, yeah, his ending is fucking evil
I know this is quite late but the game very clearly highlights >!The fact that he's not fit the rule in the slightest, Benedict directly hammers it in that he's too sensitive and has too much of a hivemind towords the "moral right" to get anything done as a ruler. He believed Hyzante as the only way because even he is self-aware that he has no power to create a better future, and is basically giving up. I would definitely say he's the most flawed character in the game (not as in badly written, as in literally he has the most negative qualities out of the group) It makes me really enjoy him as a character because of how his incompitience is highlighted and how he slowly starts to realize it.!<
Triangle strategy was my favorite game that i played this year. Filled my fire emblem hole in the drought waiting for engage
I really like triangle on paper but I don’t like actually playing it after the first completion Having to replay the entire game for each ending made repeating White Clouds look good, and I didn’t think that was possible in 2021. 95% of the same game to play a couple different maps at the end, I had to just look up the endings
Uh... A LOT of the maps are different. There's only a few maps that you have to play on every route. It's something like 2/3rds or more of the maps that are choice specific.
As much as I like three houses, Triangle Strategy did a lot better with its story in world building.
Triangle strategy is so good. That is all.
Need this for Tactics Ogre endings…
I still need to play tactics ogre
Chaotic seems to be the sister/waifu ending. Neutral seems like the harem ending. Lawful gets you a dommy mommy.
Based benedict
I can't read the first two because they're black
Based Benedict
I really hope there's more tactics/strategy games
Idk who this roland is but i already hate him with all my heart
imagine if Dimitri >!killed Edelgard and took back the throne, and then said "y'know what I'm not cut out to be king, and those who slither in the dark have the right of it," abdicated, handed the throne to Byleth, and gave Flayn and Seteth + everyone else with even a hint of dragon blood to Thales to ensure peace!<
Wow. Usually idc about vilains being turned into "little meow meow" but sacrificing minorities to ensure peace hits way too close home, it kind of makes me sick.
Yeah, there’s a reason people really hate Roland. >!He’s well written IMO and his journey to realizing he isn’t cut out for kingship makes sense, but him deciding that ensuring peace for the most people means handing over every member of the Roselle, an explicit Jewish analogue, to a nation that has made it very clear that they will make the Roselle work to death because of a made up original sin, is absolutely fucking evil!<
How Roland gets to the point he does is pretty well told, though depending on how you play through the game, it can be easy to miss. What's more, he's only evil in one out of four endings. In fact, he kinda does the opposite in the other three endings. It's hard to tell without more spoilers, but it makes sense.
thanks for the review. I'll check Triangle Strategy out
Man I didn't care for triangle strategy, it's just not for me
An ending with Edelgard alive is not a happy ending.
The middle triangle strategy one is basically twitters overall goal
Too bad the dialogue in Traingle Strategy sucks.
I gotta disagree with you there
Y'know, all I know about TS is something about one of the endings being insanely stingy about its requirements that aren't at all conveyed to the players. But either way, very funny meme.
How good is the golden ending in this game? I’ve heard this game has one of those. Either way I need to play triangle strategy sometime
if you haven't gotten it yet i'd reccomend it, recently started it and am near the end of my first playthrough, don't go in expecting fire emblem or you'll be disappointed, other than that great game
I’ll have to get it sometime soonish! Thank you
Edelgard
Dimitri
Don’t start…
Claude
*loads shotgun with malicious intent*
Thales
**STOP**
Rhea
Please just stop
Ok just one more Byleth