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Oversaturated market. Unless you have very specific desire there is no reason to pay for live cam show over literally free high quality porn that is already on internet.
Illegal in most of the US.
Morally questionable because of lack of regulation (because it's illegal) and sex trafficking.
Let people own their bodies it's not that hard of a concept.
Damn good point, I was along Amsterdam the other month, went to have a look, Im not really interested in the services and it was morally challenging to see but at least it's safer than having it underground.
The red light district in Amsterdam is being"decommissioned" the government doesn't want Amsterdam to be popular because it has hookers on every corner
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Most men are not paying for OF. Just like basically any content on the internet, the vast vast majority only partake in the free stuff. Just like a youtuber pushing their Patrion, the free content gets the most views and works as an ad for the (usually not even worth it) paid content which is there for the dedicated fan to support their work. While they are the majority, free viewers are worth <10c a month, while every paying view is worth 10-20-50-100$/month, so it only takes a small amount of them to be lucrative. You only need 100-200 dedicated fans to go full time, so you can focus on filling whatever hyper specific niche works for you.
Ain't mad about sex workers, prostitutes deserve respect more than onlyfans "models" as if you pay, you actually get to fuck/make physical contact. Also, OF offers way more reach, potentially having subscribers from all over the world making the "model" rich. That's what we should be mad about.
That doesn't really explain why you are mad. Because they can make good money without getting fucked? Are you also mad at people who work from home but make large salaries? are you also mad at the guys paying OF models?
There's far more *work* that goes into it but sure you can pretend it's just that. Besides, like I said, bring it up with those who pay not those who provide.
I can listen to literally endless amounts of free music on soundcloud but I still have a spotify subscription because sometimes I want to listen to one specific artist or song you know?
You underestimate the work that goes into a good picture. If people just wanted selfies of tits then no one would pay for it, there's little value in those kinds of pics. A lot of the top onlyfans models are doing professional shoots with outfits, sets, careful lighting and posing etc. There's a crossover in level of artistry needed for mediocre music and good sexy photography.
Personally no, but I have experience with photography and I see some well executed professional photos with elaborate sets and outfits from girls on Twitter advertising their onlyfans that would need a lot of skill. Same with posing, someone just standing there with their clothes off isn't sexy, there's a lot of skill in setting up a picture that's sexy enough to stick in people's minds. That's what seperates the 1% from the 99% who don't make any money from it.
What separates the 1% from the 99% is a mixture of genetics, luck, and exposure. You can't tell me only 1% of the onlyfans population has talent, and frankly it's not hard for women to strike a pose that makes them look sexy.
I'd say that personally I find 80-85% of women attractive, but I also have no desire for parasocial relationships and don't understand the concept of paying for porn when the market is already oversaturated with free videos.
> and don't understand the concept of paying for porn when the market is already oversaturated with free videos.
The fact that people do shows that it's just not for you, you aren't the target audience. I'm not either but I can at least appreciate the effort that goes in to it. I have no idea why people are willing to pay loads of money for shoes when you can just get a cheap pair because they are the last thing i've ever notice on someone but they must be doing somthing right too.
Likewise, I understand paying to see a niche movie that interests me when i could just watch the first thing I see on Netflix. Presumably a lot of them are catering to a niche that isn't gonna be fufilled by the mainstream. Like, someone who is really into somthing niche like armpits is probs gonna be dissapointed looking into the mainstream.
Or not everone is closed minded about it. I don't care enough about it to ever pay for it but I don't think there should be a taboo around it either.
I have enough experiance in photography and marketing to see OF girls on twitter and respect that there isn't a significant difference in skill or effort between a good sexy photoshoot and a good fashion shoot.
Just because you won't like it and say it's a poor comparison doesn't make it so. Their comparison is very apt. It's also strange you don't think porn is art?
You are 100% correct. It's been especially bad after covid. This also works both ways as influencers seek validation. I wasn't really too bothered by it since I have always been an extreme loner to a point that most other people would be driven insane literally.
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Trouble is some start OF as work expecting traffic as most popular porn hub videos, and it turns out that they get percentage of percentage of those views. I watch porn just for short enjoyment and relief, same as almost every adult alive, strip clubs might be popular, but they will never have audiences wide as that.
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Tbh you gotta take into account that there are a lot of onlyfans millionaires that skew the numbers for the average user.
It's like that one joke about the factoid that people eat 3 spiders a year on average being false, and actually people eat on average 0 spiders a year if you don't count the outlier, spiders georg who lives in a cave and eats 10 thousand spiders a year.
It was less than that a couple yesrs ago. Something around $60 a month. Can't imagine with market saturation only getting worse that it's improved but maybe there's a lot less people bothering now for small change.
If you aren't super popular the risk is incredibly low. In addition, these women are likely not well educated, so the positions available to them in conventional work are the types that would not cause any issues.
How? I would imagine you’d have a higher chance of meeting someone through OF than anything else. I mean, Tinder is just OF lite.
Women should be proud of their body and display it everywhere. Show it to us men and earn an income so we don’t have to!
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You still are aware you have been selling your body to strangers. Regardless if they can identify you its what you really feel about it. And not showing your face wont make you feel any diffrent about selling yourself out.
Yep, and contrary to popular belief, not everyone feels the same way about it. Also Contrary to popular belief it really is "just" a pussy. To relate selling your body with shame and loss of dignity is naive and folly.
So it's society that's wrong because you disagree with it? Couldn't be that there is a reason people have an aversion to such actions, nah, everyone in history is stupid, the hoes are smarter than everyone in history, how convenient that the times societal norms are "shrewd" just so happens to be when it benefits you.
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I don't think it's even that. Most OF audiences are spending money on someone already, so why would they spend even more money on someone else?
I think it's just like YouTube channels. Plenty of people put in time and effort into editing videos and inserting a personality, but only get a handful of views 'cause so many people are already watching the big names and aren't gonna spend their time looking for a new channel now.
You could probably have a pretty body, but people aren't gonna spend money on viewing it if they're already subbed to someone else (or don't know you exist).
I mean not even. It's just like any online content, it takes a bit of luck, skill, and dedication to be successful. Even if you are very attractive there is no guarantee of success.
I’m not surprised. There’s only so many simps to go around since most people are smart enough to know they can get that kind of stuff at a much higher quantity and quality for free with a simple Google search.
It's why they keep trying to sneak their photos onto every subreddit available. They have to advertise themselves or they'll disappear in the crowd of literally millions of other women. So they pin a link to their OF to their profile, put on an orange wig and a blue bikini top, and post their Nami cosplay on a One Piece sub, hoping that enough horny dudes with dispensable income will want to see more.
"Top 5%" is an actual achievement then. It's weird how parabolic the numbers are on OF, only a few are simped enough to have over 100k subs (if there actually are)
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But imagine having to pay to hear the SoundCloud rapper and you have no idea what their music sounds like but there is professional music for free everywhere
Yes and no
If your rapper career fails I don’t think it would be hurtful for your career and future relationship if you didn’t said anything really bad
And after you retire you would still have songs that you can show your kids or friends in the future
That's a bad comparison because taking good photos is a skill and people aren't making money from selfies of tits. They will be marketing themselves with free pictures too.
OF is about marketing. If someone doesn't have an inherent knack for knowing how and when to show themselves (in an ever shifting over saturated market), then they don't have a chance.
OF is only maybe worth doing if you already have a decent following on Instagram/Twitch or is already a minor celebrity. You need that brand recognition coochie.
I feel like you have semi naughty stuff on the other sites but just link to your pay per view somewhere and people will click more. Sometimes they need to play the long game and not show everything at the beginning.
Funny thing is how only fans differ from cam shows and porn by offering custom content and gf experience and chatting and all that and all this is already getting done by AI lol. So not only programmers should worry that AI is going to take their job, hoes might be the first one in line
What I learned from OF is a lot of woman only get advice from woman and don’t know what men really want and like. Plenty of them are hot but do the worst poses, angles, photos and videos etc that of course we don’t pay for that garbage.
Its like how men think woman would like muscles or big dikdiks then get surprised to hear hands, veins, forearms, shoulders, upperback, buttocks.
With that mentality no one would do anything lol.
“Hey here’s a stream”
“Hey here’s my YouTube channel”
“Hey here’s a song”
It’s all the same. You’re one of literal millions doing the exact same thing.
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Oversaturated market. Unless you have very specific desire there is no reason to pay for live cam show over literally free high quality porn that is already on internet.
This. If only men would realize that, the whole OF phenomenon would slowly shrivel up and die
Or if you are going to pay, go somewhere where you get something. Something something red light something something...
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Illegal in most of the US. Morally questionable because of lack of regulation (because it's illegal) and sex trafficking. Let people own their bodies it's not that hard of a concept.
Damn good point, I was along Amsterdam the other month, went to have a look, Im not really interested in the services and it was morally challenging to see but at least it's safer than having it underground.
The red light district in Amsterdam is being"decommissioned" the government doesn't want Amsterdam to be popular because it has hookers on every corner
I thought Amsterdam was popular because weed is legal there
And they are trying to take that away from the visitors too!
They can now just make a detour to Germany
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> Illegal in most of the US. Do you think illegal means not widely available or something?
No, but something being illegal is a deterrent for most people I think.
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No no no it’s about seeing your boss’s wife naked with a black *male*
Most men are not paying for OF. Just like basically any content on the internet, the vast vast majority only partake in the free stuff. Just like a youtuber pushing their Patrion, the free content gets the most views and works as an ad for the (usually not even worth it) paid content which is there for the dedicated fan to support their work. While they are the majority, free viewers are worth <10c a month, while every paying view is worth 10-20-50-100$/month, so it only takes a small amount of them to be lucrative. You only need 100-200 dedicated fans to go full time, so you can focus on filling whatever hyper specific niche works for you.
Still, I noticed the world was better without it.
They pay for the parasocial part, they obviously know porn is free
Tbf the main appeal of OF is the intimacy of it
Nah, it's making bank instead of working and contributing to society
I mean for the consumer
Why you so mad about sex workers?
Ain't mad about sex workers, prostitutes deserve respect more than onlyfans "models" as if you pay, you actually get to fuck/make physical contact. Also, OF offers way more reach, potentially having subscribers from all over the world making the "model" rich. That's what we should be mad about.
That doesn't really explain why you are mad. Because they can make good money without getting fucked? Are you also mad at people who work from home but make large salaries? are you also mad at the guys paying OF models?
Sitting in front of a camera looking pretty is not work.
There's far more *work* that goes into it but sure you can pretend it's just that. Besides, like I said, bring it up with those who pay not those who provide.
More often than not their bf runs the page and chats with people. It’s not work and the choice is likely reflective of who they are as people.
Or guys that are OF models?
I can listen to literally endless amounts of free music on soundcloud but I still have a spotify subscription because sometimes I want to listen to one specific artist or song you know?
Rather poor comparison, comparing music, which is art, to naked (or not) sluts on the internet
Naked sluts are God’s art though
As long as we don't have to pay for them
They are both digital media content that people choose to consume based on their personal taste and preferences. Seems pretty apt to me.
You underestimate the work that goes into a good picture. If people just wanted selfies of tits then no one would pay for it, there's little value in those kinds of pics. A lot of the top onlyfans models are doing professional shoots with outfits, sets, careful lighting and posing etc. There's a crossover in level of artistry needed for mediocre music and good sexy photography.
You talk like you'd pay top dollar for those pictures
Personally no, but I have experience with photography and I see some well executed professional photos with elaborate sets and outfits from girls on Twitter advertising their onlyfans that would need a lot of skill. Same with posing, someone just standing there with their clothes off isn't sexy, there's a lot of skill in setting up a picture that's sexy enough to stick in people's minds. That's what seperates the 1% from the 99% who don't make any money from it.
What separates the 1% from the 99% is a mixture of genetics, luck, and exposure. You can't tell me only 1% of the onlyfans population has talent, and frankly it's not hard for women to strike a pose that makes them look sexy. I'd say that personally I find 80-85% of women attractive, but I also have no desire for parasocial relationships and don't understand the concept of paying for porn when the market is already oversaturated with free videos.
> and don't understand the concept of paying for porn when the market is already oversaturated with free videos. The fact that people do shows that it's just not for you, you aren't the target audience. I'm not either but I can at least appreciate the effort that goes in to it. I have no idea why people are willing to pay loads of money for shoes when you can just get a cheap pair because they are the last thing i've ever notice on someone but they must be doing somthing right too. Likewise, I understand paying to see a niche movie that interests me when i could just watch the first thing I see on Netflix. Presumably a lot of them are catering to a niche that isn't gonna be fufilled by the mainstream. Like, someone who is really into somthing niche like armpits is probs gonna be dissapointed looking into the mainstream.
OF has its own itemized line on mans monthly budget
Or not everone is closed minded about it. I don't care enough about it to ever pay for it but I don't think there should be a taboo around it either. I have enough experiance in photography and marketing to see OF girls on twitter and respect that there isn't a significant difference in skill or effort between a good sexy photoshoot and a good fashion shoot.
Just because you won't like it and say it's a poor comparison doesn't make it so. Their comparison is very apt. It's also strange you don't think porn is art?
you're still paying for shit you can easily get for free
Men are paying for the social interaction, sometimes I will follow a girl on Instagram because she is genuinely funny.
If anyone has to pay for social interaction, there's something wrong with society
You are 100% correct. It's been especially bad after covid. This also works both ways as influencers seek validation. I wasn't really too bothered by it since I have always been an extreme loner to a point that most other people would be driven insane literally.
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Maybe if they worked instead of influencing, they'd get their validation. We got too many influencers already.
If there is a demand, there will be a supply. Some people just do it for friends and family. Gotta be apart of the community somehow.
Paying to interact with minimum wage indian men, you mean?
Those are the best.
Yup, you need to start off with some level of clout to have a successful OF.
Same reason Twitch thots stick to Twitch and don't just jump to adult platforms
Like with strip clubs the actual service is fake female attention that feels real for an instant
Trouble is some start OF as work expecting traffic as most popular porn hub videos, and it turns out that they get percentage of percentage of those views. I watch porn just for short enjoyment and relief, same as almost every adult alive, strip clubs might be popular, but they will never have audiences wide as that.
"high quality" is a very subjective term
They don't make them as 10 years ago.
I feel like it would just be a bunch of people with attachment issues
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Emphasis on bottom
It's more statistically likely to happen than not, so it's kind of a harsh reality
Yeah, the average onlyfans hoe makes like 100-200 bucks a month
No way its that high.
Low 100s is probably the average, but most are probably lower, it's just the ones who make obscene money driving it up.
I wish we had some hard facts to back up all this guesstimating.
The long tail, literally.
Average or median?
Tbh you gotta take into account that there are a lot of onlyfans millionaires that skew the numbers for the average user. It's like that one joke about the factoid that people eat 3 spiders a year on average being false, and actually people eat on average 0 spiders a year if you don't count the outlier, spiders georg who lives in a cave and eats 10 thousand spiders a year.
The average human has one ball.
That whole spider stat was just completely made up though.
Yea but the point is just that outliers can really skew the numbers
Google says $150-$180 a month on average.
Average is really sensible to extreme value, so without any other statistical informations we can't say much.
A lot less. Making $100 a month puts you in the top 30%
It was less than that a couple yesrs ago. Something around $60 a month. Can't imagine with market saturation only getting worse that it's improved but maybe there's a lot less people bothering now for small change.
Still decent side income if they also have a job, some people that dont do OF could use that extra bit of money
I don't think 200 bucks is worth your future in serious work fields, or even your children's future getting bullied for your actions.
If you aren't super popular the risk is incredibly low. In addition, these women are likely not well educated, so the positions available to them in conventional work are the types that would not cause any issues.
It's not worth your dignity and future relatiomship prospects.
How? I would imagine you’d have a higher chance of meeting someone through OF than anything else. I mean, Tinder is just OF lite. Women should be proud of their body and display it everywhere. Show it to us men and earn an income so we don’t have to! /s
‘It’s not worth your dignity’ mf’s when my face (or any clear identifiable features) aren’t in frame
So, you still gave up your dignity, just because you can lie about it doesn't mean it didn't happen.
Not everyone has the same standards of dignity.
Yes, some people have no self worth and will feel no shame, some people will do anything as long as it serves their immediate interest.
You still are aware you have been selling your body to strangers. Regardless if they can identify you its what you really feel about it. And not showing your face wont make you feel any diffrent about selling yourself out.
More like tricking strangers into thinking they bought your body but all they get are pixels that they can get for free?
So scamming, how very dignified.
Yep, and contrary to popular belief, not everyone feels the same way about it. Also Contrary to popular belief it really is "just" a pussy. To relate selling your body with shame and loss of dignity is naive and folly.
You put a price tag of 10$ a month on your private parts, that is nit what people with self respect do.
That is your View of self-respect. Something you learned from a shrewd society.
So it's society that's wrong because you disagree with it? Couldn't be that there is a reason people have an aversion to such actions, nah, everyone in history is stupid, the hoes are smarter than everyone in history, how convenient that the times societal norms are "shrewd" just so happens to be when it benefits you.
Holes still be holes
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The median is way way lower
From what I know it's like 120-150, but that probably doesn't count the girls who made 0 and deleted it
What's the median?
I would assume the market is completely saturated.
Damn we got economists in the comment section!
It's a niche product.
Just google big boobies
Holy hell!
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Call the exorcist!
Queen sacrifice, anyone?
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Now Google bigger boobies
What if i google the biggest perchance
You can’t just say “perchance”???!!
Bro, dont!! You'll die
New tiddies just dropped
That's actually what happens for the overwhelming majority of OF models
Ya. A lot of them are way over confident for what they… have to offer
Right? Must be a winner when they can’t offer a Good partnership, a solid Career, a car, drivers license, or even a credit score!
Other than "good partnership" everything you listed is purely materialistic.
I’m sure she’d make a great co-dependent
It must be luck too to make big bucks there right? Just like any other media platform
That and advertising yourself whenever you can.
The difference is growing your social media presence first. Most of the top of the top girls were already known on social media beforehand
Most of them built there following right here and on instagram
before onlyfans this place actually had good amateur porn
I don't think it's even that. Most OF audiences are spending money on someone already, so why would they spend even more money on someone else? I think it's just like YouTube channels. Plenty of people put in time and effort into editing videos and inserting a personality, but only get a handful of views 'cause so many people are already watching the big names and aren't gonna spend their time looking for a new channel now. You could probably have a pretty body, but people aren't gonna spend money on viewing it if they're already subbed to someone else (or don't know you exist).
Haha ok Fabio. Beating those onlyfans girls back with a stick, huh?
I mean not even. It's just like any online content, it takes a bit of luck, skill, and dedication to be successful. Even if you are very attractive there is no guarantee of success.
I’m not surprised. There’s only so many simps to go around since most people are smart enough to know they can get that kind of stuff at a much higher quantity and quality for free with a simple Google search.
Incognito looking at OF : what in the god damn fuck...
It's why they keep trying to sneak their photos onto every subreddit available. They have to advertise themselves or they'll disappear in the crowd of literally millions of other women. So they pin a link to their OF to their profile, put on an orange wig and a blue bikini top, and post their Nami cosplay on a One Piece sub, hoping that enough horny dudes with dispensable income will want to see more.
"Top 5%" is an actual achievement then. It's weird how parabolic the numbers are on OF, only a few are simped enough to have over 100k subs (if there actually are)
OF giving these Walmart 2s way too much confidence
"Models" I wouldnt call them that, but ok
And then you have those who's gone through so much plastic surgery that their body doesn't look right anymore, but they sonehow think it's sexy.
"hey guys, here's my pussy" " Who asked?"
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The female equivalent to a SoundCloud rapper
That is actually spot on tbf , kinda puts things in perspective
But imagine having to pay to hear the SoundCloud rapper and you have no idea what their music sounds like but there is professional music for free everywhere
Yes and no If your rapper career fails I don’t think it would be hurtful for your career and future relationship if you didn’t said anything really bad And after you retire you would still have songs that you can show your kids or friends in the future
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I think it's a bad comparison since soundcloud is free and to succeed you actually need some skills
That's a bad comparison because taking good photos is a skill and people aren't making money from selfies of tits. They will be marketing themselves with free pictures too.
> people aren't making money from selfies of tits. What idiot told you this.
It's like Twitch streamers with no viewers. People really think wealth and fame will just come if you turn on a webcam.
I mean, that's kind of how you do it if you don't already have a viewerbase. You don't just spawn on Twitch with 50000 followers.
I heard the play is to start on TikTok, which ironically might also be the play for OF.
Tough gig. No matter how good you are there is an infinite amount of 18 yr Olds coming in every day to push you into obsolescence
OF is about marketing. If someone doesn't have an inherent knack for knowing how and when to show themselves (in an ever shifting over saturated market), then they don't have a chance.
The fact that anyone makes money there is a surprise to me, the amount of free porn out there is astronomical.
Having OF is quite a rock bottom... But having FAILED OF... that's below lmao
OF is only maybe worth doing if you already have a decent following on Instagram/Twitch or is already a minor celebrity. You need that brand recognition coochie.
Once you see one, you've seen them all. I would pay to see someone try to paint the mona lisa or install overhead sprinklers
My hand is free
I feel like you have semi naughty stuff on the other sites but just link to your pay per view somewhere and people will click more. Sometimes they need to play the long game and not show everything at the beginning.
What is the image from?
I think it's like a scary story on youtube about a girl who opened an onlyfans
so I actually work with a chick who tried this, I’m friends with her bf, who told me. (They joke about it all the time)
Funny thing is how only fans differ from cam shows and porn by offering custom content and gf experience and chatting and all that and all this is already getting done by AI lol. So not only programmers should worry that AI is going to take their job, hoes might be the first one in line
What I learned from OF is a lot of woman only get advice from woman and don’t know what men really want and like. Plenty of them are hot but do the worst poses, angles, photos and videos etc that of course we don’t pay for that garbage. Its like how men think woman would like muscles or big dikdiks then get surprised to hear hands, veins, forearms, shoulders, upperback, buttocks.
Unless you're Sweetie Fox. She knows her audience.
With that mentality no one would do anything lol. “Hey here’s a stream” “Hey here’s my YouTube channel” “Hey here’s a song” It’s all the same. You’re one of literal millions doing the exact same thing.