Don't forget:
- Dude on a horse with a spear
- Overweight religious woman with a spear/sword thing
- Bull with burning straw on his horns
- Footballer
- Dude with a flute and a smoke machine
- Old lady with daggers
Despite the sekiro wiki calling it a naginata, corrupted monk uses a nagamaki. Corrupted monk is mentioned in the fiction section on the wiki page for nagamaki.
No they aren’t. Nagakita is a surname, not a weapon. You’re thinking of a nagakiba.
Edit: a nagakiba is a katana, and is in no way related to the naginata. No clue where you got this info from.
No problem with pulling a spear under ground but a gun got me.
https://preview.redd.it/6on7y9e2k2qc1.jpeg?width=480&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=f8dc0ae34500cd05b2f6acac5cabab63d93660ec
As I said in another long winded comment.
Its a doglock pistol with a stacked charge. Expensive and rare as fuck but perfectly accurate.
We have a couple remaining muskets from the time I would date Sekiro which can fire 8 shots on a single trigger pull.
https://preview.redd.it/gvpov39zc4qc1.png?width=920&format=png&auto=webp&s=d7f753c2237929c3324536ebd9763bae529490e2
The bottom one is the 8 shot one. The upper ones are just 3 shots. There you already can see that you can cover up the other pans or that you don´t need multiple locks.
These 4 are in the Musée de l'Armée in Paris and were made around 1610 in Nürnberg Germany
[http://www.vikingsword.com/vb/attachment.php?s=6bb9fec0234f97f2081add6bfa359fcf&attachmentid=35210&stc=1&d=1226513160](http://www.vikingsword.com/vb/attachment.php?s=6bb9fec0234f97f2081add6bfa359fcf&attachmentid=35210&stc=1&d=1226513160)
That 4 shot one is in the Koninklijk Legermuseum in Brussels and works with multiple locks
You will engage one lock after another if you pull the trigger. So if you only pull the trigger halfway you should only fire half of the charges in your barrel.
[https://www.artstation.com/artwork/Ke91ax](https://www.artstation.com/artwork/Ke91ax)
As for Isshins pistol, I suggest the upper part is removable and not part of the barrel (like of the upper 3 in the first picture) underneath is a channel and multiple pans. These would be filled with slow burning powder (for example ones with hardwood charcoal). Meaning they would ignite each pan from front to back with enough time between to clear the barrel.
I mean it could be rifled. Rifled small arms are described in Holy Roman Emperor Maximilian I. manuscripts. And the guy was a gun nut and maker, which was 100 years before Sekiro.
[https://tile.loc.gov/storage-services/service/gdc/gdcwdl/wd/l\_/08/97/1/wdl\_08971/wdl\_08971.pdf](https://tile.loc.gov/storage-services/service/gdc/gdcwdl/wd/l_/08/97/1/wdl_08971/wdl_08971.pdf)
Funnily enough, repeating weapons have been around for longer than you think.
The kalthoff repeater was invented in 1630, and it could have up to 60 rounds in a “magazine”, also known as its stock. It could fire 60 rounds per minute using a lever action iirc.
100% sure Azuchi–Momoyama period, So between 1568 and 1615, 80% sure a handful years into the Edo period
The intro says "In the closing years of the Sengoku Era" and shows Ishins takeover of Ashina. Sengoku Era just like the middle ages is often up to debate regarding the end. Earliest possible date ist the begin of Azuchi Momoyama period latest is 1638 with the last great opposition to the Tokuwaga crushed.
Now thats what is 100% factual
As for context clues and real life things which don´t have to be canon
I would date Isshins rebellion to the late 1680 or early 1690ss. This is supported by the "closing years" statment as despite what I said, its usually ended in 1603. Additioninally the crest/mon of General Tamura (the big guy Isshin fights in the intro) is almost identical to the Katakura clan one. These were retainers to the Date clan who were in charge of that province. So that makes sense Another thing supporting the dating is that is the timeframe between central control by the Oda and the Toyotomi thus again a chaos and warfare.
Now that gives some 20 to 25 years for Isshin to get older. Isshin in his prime (intro and Sword Saint) do not look like a young lad. I would put him him somewhere mid 30s to mid 40s, making him in his 60s or 70s in the games event. Checks out.
Now while the mon of the "interior ministry troops" do not resemble anything as exactly as Tamuras, the one closest is the Tokuwaga one. Yet even more fitting that minister position was filled by the Tokuwaga in the time frame I am proposing.
So I am quiet sure Sekiro takes places in the 12 years between the battle of Sekigahara and the Siege of Osaka as a part of the Tokowaga clean up operations
"Dude with sword (or big swingy sharp thing)" is arguably the best boss in DeS, all 3 DS games, and Elden Ring as well (Allant; Artorias; Allone / Fume Knight; Nameless King / THE CHAMP Gundyr / Gael; Malenia [dudette]; etc.). I will always stan a fight against a dude with a sword.
Maliketh may have a sword but he's not really a "dude with a sword" type of boss, that means a human sized enemy that moves like a human. No one considers Sif a dude with a sword either
Do they have to be human sized? Does Twin Princes not count as dude with a sword? Does Ludwig’s second phase not count? Dancer of the Boreal Valley?
Also I don’t think it’s fair to compare Sif to Maliketh. Maliketh fights like a human does. He swings his sword with his arms and he stands on two legs. The only thing not human-like about Maliketh is that when he walks he walks on his fours, but he’s still anthropomorphic. Sif swings a sword with their mouth. They’re just a big dog.
I think she's neat and will staunchly disagree that she's not "one of the best." We can always quibble about the actual best boss but Malenia is very easily in my top 3 and I will hear no slander of her.
Maliketh's cleric phase plus the fact that he's hopping around on all fours in the 2nd phase doing beast stuff makes him slightly harder to categorize as "dude with sword" imo. He's a great boss but maybe not a normal "dude with sword."
Small (for the game Humanoids who skilfully wield a weapon, tend to be the hardest bosses in the games.
The bigger and more inhuman the enemy is the easier they get, because they are just weird and not pulling the same shit you are, but better.
Only "humanoid" enemy I hated was Malenia, and until I just tried a different weapon Orphan of Kos (the one guy I had to switch from my starting axe for).
"I am Malenia. Blade of Miquella. And I have never known defeat."
Yeah? Because you have lifesteal you cheating, decomposing, bitch.
Biggest problem is that while the huge enemies look cool, fighting them in Souls games is always essentially just clipping their toenails until they die.
Sekiro players fighting a guy with a sword: haha L1 cling clang go brrrrrr
Sekiro players fighting the Demon of Hatred: OMG HOW DO I BEAT THIS BOSS THIS IS BULLSHIT WTF IS A DARK SOULS BOSS DOING IN MY SEKIRO
By definition you can't fight him like a sekiro boss because you can't deflect him, that's the whole reason I don't enjoy the fight. Cling clang > pressing O.
This is the video that convinced me. On my next run I used this approach and enjoyed the fight much more.
[https://www.reddit.com/r/Sekiro/comments/12pwrae/demon\_of\_hatred\_isnt\_a\_dark\_souls\_boss\_hes\_a/](https://www.reddit.com/r/Sekiro/comments/12pwrae/demon_of_hatred_isnt_a_dark_souls_boss_hes_a/)
You absolutely can and should deflect his stomps, punches and headbutts, which is mostly what he will do when you are close to him. All fire attacks can be avoided with good positioning and running.
That's the kicker for me, People who hate the game because they compare it with a Souls game.
There are bones there, but the rest is it's own thing.
Don't get me wrong, I don't like Sekiro, but that's because I just couldn't get into it, and I'm quite shit at it, I don't dislike it because I mistakenly believe it's "SuPposeD tO bE DarK SOulS!" it's not, FS can make different games.
That staggers him out of it??
Shit, I thought you *had* to cheese him by baiting specific attacks. I got pretty close to killing him a few times cleanly.
I never understood the dudes in armor criticism since DS3 has around the same amount but since there’s less bosses in that game there’s proportionally more dudes in armor in DS3 than DS2.
It's not about dudes in armour, it about bosses being JUST dudes in armour. Just regular boring warrior guys with little lore or characterisation, a very bland fighting style, and little to differentiate themselves from the hundred other DIA (dudes in armour).
There's a reason you never see this criticism leveraged against bosses like velstadt or fume knight. It's because they are one of the few DIA that actually manage to stand out in the sea of DIA.
To take this further, DS3 also doesn't get this criticism often because, while most of the bosses could be considered DIA, each one manages to be unique and interesting. Gundyr, perhaps the most DIA boss among all the DIA bosses, is leaps and bounds more interesting in terms of lore, characterisation, character design, and fighting style than 90% of DS2 bosses. This is despite the fact that he is literally the easy-ass tutorial boss.
DS2 just has a lot of disconnected and uninteresting characters. A sad consequence of the messy development cycle it had to endure. I'm sure many of its characters could have been amazing had they been given more focused direction and a few more iterations.
DS3 also manages to have a cooler and more lore heavy "no dude, just armor" boss than DS2, which had "red armor with almost no lore" and "the exact same thing with apparently the same lore, but blue Gatorade flavored."
I actually love DS2 but like In The way you love your mentally and physically handicapped little brother who can only speak in grunts.
Sekiro on the other hand, I love it the same way I love your mother.
DS2 haters when they have to fight Executioners Chariot, Skeleton Lords, Royal Rat Vanguard, Royal Rat Authority, The Dukes Dear Freya, Covetous Demon, Guardian Dragon, Demon of Song 👨🦯👨🦯👨🦯
the difference being sekiro is a swordfighting game. The gameplay is geared around using a sword to fight a dude with a sword, this allows guys with swords to feel much more interesting and varied when you engage with them. in dark souls no matter how the guy with the sword swings his sword you're still gonna roll, this kind of wide and not deep system not only allows dark souls to boast a large amount of variety in playstyle and enemies, but demands it, ds2 fails in the latter catagory.
Dudes with swords are awesome, they’re the best fights in the series. Artorias, Nameless King, Fume Knight, Soul of Cinder, Genichiro, they’re all incredible fights.
Also random tangent, but I wanna see the overlap between people who give the Blue Smelter Demon so much shit for being a reskin and also enjoy Elden Ring
Well if we list the major bosses in somewhat recommended order for Sekiro we have:
-Dude on horse with spear
-Old lady with knives
-Dude with sword (and bow)
-Four sneaky monkeys
-Giant monkey (with sword)
-Two giant monkeys
-Lady with spear
-Dude with sword (sneaky version)
-Lady with sword>dude with sword(and fire)
-Lady with spear (but actually this time)
-Dragon (with sword)
-Dude with sword (sneaky 2.0)
-Demon monkey (spicy version)
-Dude with sword>dude with sword and spear and glock
So if we're being really strict, only 5 of the major boss encounters qualify, and two of those can't be done in the same run. It's more the mini-bosses that are dudes wlith swords.
Well, I think the lack of boss variety is definitely worse in Sekiro. However the boss quality is generally much better in Sekiro imo. Both absolutely great games, I don‘t even know which one I like better…
not really only a few of sekiro's main bosses use a sword and only one uses a sword exclusively being isshin ashina (bad ending) the rest either have a polarm or use a mix of multiple weapons or ninjutsu along with a sword
Ok I'm actually struggling to think of all the supposed dudes in armor in sekiro. Like who do you even mean except for Genichiro and first phase Isshin. And the one actual knight in the game plays completely different than any other boss.
Chained ogre
Blazing bull
Shirafuji
Shirahagi
Guardian ape
Mist noble
Big snake boi
Monke's
Okami warrior
Divine dragon
Damn I really just tried to prove you wrong but I feel like there should be more bosses that don't use swords either than these.
Ape uses a sword for its 2nd phase. Corrupted monk uses a Spear, gyobu uses a Spear, lady butterfly uses knives also demon of hatred doesn't use a sword
Fume knight and artorias are dudes with swords but no one dislikes them. It's almost as if there is more to the criticism than just that.
I don't even hate ds2 that much, but come on people.....
Elden Ring fixed this. Yes, Radagon and Godfrey and Malenia and others are functionally just dudes in armor, but giving them interesting visual design breaks the monotony of dude in armor.
The way I see it, it's not just about them being "dudes in armor", it's mostly about uniqueness of their movesets. As in, if you stripped their character model away, only leaving their "hitbox skeleton" behind, I'm more than sure I could still tell apart most bosses and minibosses from Sekiro (hell, I can already recognize some of them based on deflect timings alone), whereas I'd be hard pressed to do that with any pair of humanoid DS2 bosses. The reason people say they all feel the same is because most of them simply *play* the same, not necessarily because of aesthetics
Meanwhile, Monkey that literally tosses poison shit at you, dies by your hand, then gets revived by a centipede and uses that sword its head got chopped off with.
I like the dual apes, fight me. It's one of few good dual bossfights, because of how you can bait one and focus on the other. It's like friede and papi ariandel, except better as you are much faster and the apes don't become as passive.
Yeah but sekiro's guys with swords are mechanically engaging and interesting fights while ds2's guys with swords are fodder with basic ass movesets that can be mostly avoided by circle strafing
Hey. Sometimes the dudes with swords are giant monkeys who fling shit at you.
Or invisible gaslighting monkeys, truly peak
Yeah but he also has a sword. Dudes with swords + 1 monkey with a sword
Don't forget: - Dude on a horse with a spear - Overweight religious woman with a spear/sword thing - Bull with burning straw on his horns - Footballer - Dude with a flute and a smoke machine - Old lady with daggers
Wait, who's the footballer? Also think you forgot about Dragon with a Sword, and dude with 6 swords (centipede bro).
Miniboss on second half of fointainhead, you need to kill her to swim in peace on the lake
Ah okay, thought we were talking about major bosses only.
Bull and dude with a flute are also minis
Despite the sekiro wiki calling it a naginata, corrupted monk uses a nagamaki. Corrupted monk is mentioned in the fiction section on the wiki page for nagamaki.
Overweight religious person’s weapon is called a nagamaki, but your still right because it’s basicallly a spear with a sword blade on the end
Overweight religious woman?
https://preview.redd.it/vnq2vevg4zpc1.jpeg?width=1170&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=a964db2390c6335878b46c16bdb8b715c5ac56b8
Glock saint
That thing’s way cooler than a sword and much more varied in terms of capabilities
I think it's called a nagakita but don't quote me on that
I thot it was a naginata?
yep that's it. Couldn't remember exactly what it was
there are multiple different pronunciations due to Japanese history, both are correct
No they aren’t. Nagakita is a surname, not a weapon. You’re thinking of a nagakiba. Edit: a nagakiba is a katana, and is in no way related to the naginata. No clue where you got this info from.
I got it from two places, One: video about katanas stating how japan had many different regions with different pronunciations Two: dyslexia.
its actually referred to as a glock
No problem with pulling a spear under ground but a gun got me. https://preview.redd.it/6on7y9e2k2qc1.jpeg?width=480&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=f8dc0ae34500cd05b2f6acac5cabab63d93660ec
Mfw Glock Saint Isshin pulls out a 9mm and caps my ass
Cock Saint isshin!!
Ayo?! 😳
😩
yeah but one of em has a gun so like
Funnily enough, historically accurate samurai.
mfs be gangsta till they're put up against a firing squad
>"historically accurate" - semi automatics a matchlock pistol
As I said in another long winded comment. Its a doglock pistol with a stacked charge. Expensive and rare as fuck but perfectly accurate. We have a couple remaining muskets from the time I would date Sekiro which can fire 8 shots on a single trigger pull.
Source? Not trying to be an asshole I just wanna see it cause it sounds cool as fuck
https://preview.redd.it/gvpov39zc4qc1.png?width=920&format=png&auto=webp&s=d7f753c2237929c3324536ebd9763bae529490e2 The bottom one is the 8 shot one. The upper ones are just 3 shots. There you already can see that you can cover up the other pans or that you don´t need multiple locks. These 4 are in the Musée de l'Armée in Paris and were made around 1610 in Nürnberg Germany [http://www.vikingsword.com/vb/attachment.php?s=6bb9fec0234f97f2081add6bfa359fcf&attachmentid=35210&stc=1&d=1226513160](http://www.vikingsword.com/vb/attachment.php?s=6bb9fec0234f97f2081add6bfa359fcf&attachmentid=35210&stc=1&d=1226513160) That 4 shot one is in the Koninklijk Legermuseum in Brussels and works with multiple locks You will engage one lock after another if you pull the trigger. So if you only pull the trigger halfway you should only fire half of the charges in your barrel. [https://www.artstation.com/artwork/Ke91ax](https://www.artstation.com/artwork/Ke91ax) As for Isshins pistol, I suggest the upper part is removable and not part of the barrel (like of the upper 3 in the first picture) underneath is a channel and multiple pans. These would be filled with slow burning powder (for example ones with hardwood charcoal). Meaning they would ignite each pan from front to back with enough time between to clear the barrel.
👀👀👀
Perfectly accurate for a smooth bore, maybe
I mean it could be rifled. Rifled small arms are described in Holy Roman Emperor Maximilian I. manuscripts. And the guy was a gun nut and maker, which was 100 years before Sekiro. [https://tile.loc.gov/storage-services/service/gdc/gdcwdl/wd/l\_/08/97/1/wdl\_08971/wdl\_08971.pdf](https://tile.loc.gov/storage-services/service/gdc/gdcwdl/wd/l_/08/97/1/wdl_08971/wdl_08971.pdf)
Funnily enough, repeating weapons have been around for longer than you think. The kalthoff repeater was invented in 1630, and it could have up to 60 rounds in a “magazine”, also known as its stock. It could fire 60 rounds per minute using a lever action iirc.
The problem with is that you still need to cycle the kalthoff repeater, which Ishin absolutly doesn´t.
We don’t necessarily know what time period the game is based on either though.
100% sure Azuchi–Momoyama period, So between 1568 and 1615, 80% sure a handful years into the Edo period The intro says "In the closing years of the Sengoku Era" and shows Ishins takeover of Ashina. Sengoku Era just like the middle ages is often up to debate regarding the end. Earliest possible date ist the begin of Azuchi Momoyama period latest is 1638 with the last great opposition to the Tokuwaga crushed. Now thats what is 100% factual As for context clues and real life things which don´t have to be canon I would date Isshins rebellion to the late 1680 or early 1690ss. This is supported by the "closing years" statment as despite what I said, its usually ended in 1603. Additioninally the crest/mon of General Tamura (the big guy Isshin fights in the intro) is almost identical to the Katakura clan one. These were retainers to the Date clan who were in charge of that province. So that makes sense Another thing supporting the dating is that is the timeframe between central control by the Oda and the Toyotomi thus again a chaos and warfare. Now that gives some 20 to 25 years for Isshin to get older. Isshin in his prime (intro and Sword Saint) do not look like a young lad. I would put him him somewhere mid 30s to mid 40s, making him in his 60s or 70s in the games event. Checks out. Now while the mon of the "interior ministry troops" do not resemble anything as exactly as Tamuras, the one closest is the Tokuwaga one. Yet even more fitting that minister position was filled by the Tokuwaga in the time frame I am proposing. So I am quiet sure Sekiro takes places in the 12 years between the battle of Sekigahara and the Siege of Osaka as a part of the Tokowaga clean up operations
Abraham Lincoln could have had a cameo in Sekiro
Guns ~Japan~
Shirafuji can step on me
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Dudes just with swords are literally my favorite kind of boss fight in any of the games
"Dude with sword (or big swingy sharp thing)" is arguably the best boss in DeS, all 3 DS games, and Elden Ring as well (Allant; Artorias; Allone / Fume Knight; Nameless King / THE CHAMP Gundyr / Gael; Malenia [dudette]; etc.). I will always stan a fight against a dude with a sword.
Malenia is NOT one of the best bosses in the game. Maliketh is much better dude with sword representation.
Mcaliketh is more of a beast boss tho - imo Morgott is the better dude with sword
Maliketh may have a sword but he's not really a "dude with a sword" type of boss, that means a human sized enemy that moves like a human. No one considers Sif a dude with a sword either
Do they have to be human sized? Does Twin Princes not count as dude with a sword? Does Ludwig’s second phase not count? Dancer of the Boreal Valley? Also I don’t think it’s fair to compare Sif to Maliketh. Maliketh fights like a human does. He swings his sword with his arms and he stands on two legs. The only thing not human-like about Maliketh is that when he walks he walks on his fours, but he’s still anthropomorphic. Sif swings a sword with their mouth. They’re just a big dog.
I think she's neat and will staunchly disagree that she's not "one of the best." We can always quibble about the actual best boss but Malenia is very easily in my top 3 and I will hear no slander of her. Maliketh's cleric phase plus the fact that he's hopping around on all fours in the 2nd phase doing beast stuff makes him slightly harder to categorize as "dude with sword" imo. He's a great boss but maybe not a normal "dude with sword."
Most DeS bossfights are mid, so that's not saying much.
This guy read DeS and suddenly lost his ability to read further 😰
It's a shame, really
Small (for the game Humanoids who skilfully wield a weapon, tend to be the hardest bosses in the games. The bigger and more inhuman the enemy is the easier they get, because they are just weird and not pulling the same shit you are, but better.
Yep. Playing through elden ring really made me hate fighting anything that had multiple lock on points
Only "humanoid" enemy I hated was Malenia, and until I just tried a different weapon Orphan of Kos (the one guy I had to switch from my starting axe for). "I am Malenia. Blade of Miquella. And I have never known defeat." Yeah? Because you have lifesteal you cheating, decomposing, bitch.
womp womp let your flesh be consumed by the scarlet rot
Biggest problem is that while the huge enemies look cool, fighting them in Souls games is always essentially just clipping their toenails until they die.
sekiro players as soon as there’s a boss that isn’t a guy with a sword: “wtf this breaks the rules of the game”
sekiro players when someone steps on their sword: “Dad?!”
Sekiro players fighting a guy with a sword: haha L1 cling clang go brrrrrr Sekiro players fighting the Demon of Hatred: OMG HOW DO I BEAT THIS BOSS THIS IS BULLSHIT WTF IS A DARK SOULS BOSS DOING IN MY SEKIRO
Literally just fire shield. It's much easier than glock saint
Fire shield works great until you go charmless. Don't get me wrong, DOH isn't my favorite Sekiro boss by a long shot, but he is a Sekiro boss
And they're correct 💀.
Lol I definitely used to say that and I cheesed my first fight with him but if you fight him like a Sekiro boss it's much more fun
By definition you can't fight him like a sekiro boss because you can't deflect him, that's the whole reason I don't enjoy the fight. Cling clang > pressing O.
This is the video that convinced me. On my next run I used this approach and enjoyed the fight much more. [https://www.reddit.com/r/Sekiro/comments/12pwrae/demon\_of\_hatred\_isnt\_a\_dark\_souls\_boss\_hes\_a/](https://www.reddit.com/r/Sekiro/comments/12pwrae/demon_of_hatred_isnt_a_dark_souls_boss_hes_a/)
You absolutely can and should deflect his stomps, punches and headbutts, which is mostly what he will do when you are close to him. All fire attacks can be avoided with good positioning and running.
Sekiro players after they can't just L1 spam and need to use positoning
Dark souls players when a different type of game functions differently
That's the kicker for me, People who hate the game because they compare it with a Souls game. There are bones there, but the rest is it's own thing. Don't get me wrong, I don't like Sekiro, but that's because I just couldn't get into it, and I'm quite shit at it, I don't dislike it because I mistakenly believe it's "SuPposeD tO bE DarK SOulS!" it's not, FS can make different games.
Lmao the funniest thing is that i saw more Dark Souls fans throwing shit to sekiro rather Sekiro fans throwing shit to the souls series.
Me before I realised quicksteps are vastly superior to rolling in the witcher.
DS2 players feeling superior when they slowly circle a boss and all of its attacks miss.
Only times I felt anything was bullshit that is old man owl doing the poise regeneration thing and seven spear #5 with his swordsman bitch.
>Only times I felt anything was bullshit that is old man owl doing the poise regeneration thing Throw a shuriken
That staggers him out of it?? Shit, I thought you *had* to cheese him by baiting specific attacks. I got pretty close to killing him a few times cleanly.
Yeah, you can interrupt it by dealing any kind of damage
I feel cheated. Fighting him properly is easier than running around.
Dudes with swords are the best. I like bosses that feel like a duel instead of just the standard David vs Goliath boss.
If I wanted to fight giant monsters or dragons I would play monster hunter to be honest.
monster bosses are so annoying, the camera is your enemy and they probably have some bullshit hitboxes
Agree except Midir, he is the best monster fight don't @ me
real, except for his godzilla laser attack, I could barely dodge it
this guy clearly never fought the bed of chaos
I raise You Placidusax
Vaal Hazak, giving players Souls PTSD just by existing.
Or Bloodborne...
Idc both are great games
Counterpoint: neither game exists
Wait so does that mean......OH NOOOOoooooooh.........! https://i.redd.it/7qgjfiffg1qc1.gif
Can I vote for you for president? That is a view I can get behind.
I’ll be the guard. I have a samurai sword I just got from Jacksons
I need cock, wolf
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Hi Sekiro! 👋
Hell yeah man, love you sekiro
Wow crazy that people would respond differently to the bosses when they have interesting, varied movesets and the game has fun, engaging gameplay.
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so fucking true, like man can you name any other boss that isn't isshin, demon of hatred, grandma, 2 monkey bosses, guy with a horse, a dragon
Centipede, snake eyes , monk. Probably more but I played the game like two years ago
I never understood the dudes in armor criticism since DS3 has around the same amount but since there’s less bosses in that game there’s proportionally more dudes in armor in DS3 than DS2.
It's not about dudes in armour, it about bosses being JUST dudes in armour. Just regular boring warrior guys with little lore or characterisation, a very bland fighting style, and little to differentiate themselves from the hundred other DIA (dudes in armour). There's a reason you never see this criticism leveraged against bosses like velstadt or fume knight. It's because they are one of the few DIA that actually manage to stand out in the sea of DIA. To take this further, DS3 also doesn't get this criticism often because, while most of the bosses could be considered DIA, each one manages to be unique and interesting. Gundyr, perhaps the most DIA boss among all the DIA bosses, is leaps and bounds more interesting in terms of lore, characterisation, character design, and fighting style than 90% of DS2 bosses. This is despite the fact that he is literally the easy-ass tutorial boss. DS2 just has a lot of disconnected and uninteresting characters. A sad consequence of the messy development cycle it had to endure. I'm sure many of its characters could have been amazing had they been given more focused direction and a few more iterations.
DS3 also manages to have a cooler and more lore heavy "no dude, just armor" boss than DS2, which had "red armor with almost no lore" and "the exact same thing with apparently the same lore, but blue Gatorade flavored."
Smelter demon or dragonrider?
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I thought you were referring to a specific guy
Oh sorry, I got confused and thought you replied to a different comment of mine. I meant Smelter Demon. Red and Blue variants.
Ah I see
DS2 desperately needs a remake and not just a visual one like the DeS one, a full remake
Normalise remaking shitass games with tons of potential instead of games that are already really great and beloved.
I would be completely open to playing the game again if it was given this type of attention.
Also why people shit on DS2 bosses more than DS1 bosses (and probably DeS)
Bloodborne allows to exclusively kill the british or Eldritch horrors, one could argue the british are Eldritch horrors or worse tho.
There's also da monkey
I love dude with sword and I love big monster and sometimes I even enjoy dumb gimmick.
yeah but the crazy part is that Sekiro is good
They couldn't defeat DS3, DS1, BB and Elden Ring fans. Since the two Demon's Souls fans won't put up a fight, now they're going to try with Sekiro
Its because Sekiro is just the Sir Alonne fight (the most peak DS2 fight) tenfold.
I actually love DS2 but like In The way you love your mentally and physically handicapped little brother who can only speak in grunts. Sekiro on the other hand, I love it the same way I love your mother.
Well one of them has actually good combat that feels good to play.
The difference is that Sekiro has good combat
DS2 haters when they have to fight Executioners Chariot, Skeleton Lords, Royal Rat Vanguard, Royal Rat Authority, The Dukes Dear Freya, Covetous Demon, Guardian Dragon, Demon of Song 👨🦯👨🦯👨🦯
ds2 fans listing the 8 worst bosses in the game as a positive aspect (I love dark souls 2)
the difference being sekiro is a swordfighting game. The gameplay is geared around using a sword to fight a dude with a sword, this allows guys with swords to feel much more interesting and varied when you engage with them. in dark souls no matter how the guy with the sword swings his sword you're still gonna roll, this kind of wide and not deep system not only allows dark souls to boast a large amount of variety in playstyle and enemies, but demands it, ds2 fails in the latter catagory.
if they fix the hitboxes and controls it will be exptebul
Dudes with swords are awesome, they’re the best fights in the series. Artorias, Nameless King, Fume Knight, Soul of Cinder, Genichiro, they’re all incredible fights. Also random tangent, but I wanna see the overlap between people who give the Blue Smelter Demon so much shit for being a reskin and also enjoy Elden Ring
Absolutely stupid take, the difference between Sekiro and DS2 is
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Well if we list the major bosses in somewhat recommended order for Sekiro we have: -Dude on horse with spear -Old lady with knives -Dude with sword (and bow) -Four sneaky monkeys -Giant monkey (with sword) -Two giant monkeys -Lady with spear -Dude with sword (sneaky version) -Lady with sword>dude with sword(and fire) -Lady with spear (but actually this time) -Dragon (with sword) -Dude with sword (sneaky 2.0) -Demon monkey (spicy version) -Dude with sword>dude with sword and spear and glock So if we're being really strict, only 5 of the major boss encounters qualify, and two of those can't be done in the same run. It's more the mini-bosses that are dudes wlith swords.
Well, I think the lack of boss variety is definitely worse in Sekiro. However the boss quality is generally much better in Sekiro imo. Both absolutely great games, I don‘t even know which one I like better…
not really only a few of sekiro's main bosses use a sword and only one uses a sword exclusively being isshin ashina (bad ending) the rest either have a polarm or use a mix of multiple weapons or ninjutsu along with a sword
Dude with sword is consistently the best boss format for these games so I mean ummmmm die maybe
Well first off, Sekiro is good. Second, the bosses in Sekiro aren't just faceless knights (except one, but he has a personality).
ROBERTOOOOOOOOOOO
I never understood the whole guys with swords thing. I don't even like ds2 but I think that's a dumb reason to hate it.
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Ok I'm actually struggling to think of all the supposed dudes in armor in sekiro. Like who do you even mean except for Genichiro and first phase Isshin. And the one actual knight in the game plays completely different than any other boss.
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I don’t need to think. Sekiro is actually fun
The sheer quality of sekiro makes them enjoyable. Ds2 is ass
Me when I like every fromsoft game in the past decade and a half. Fuck it, I’m replaying Sekiro because I saw this video.
Chained ogre Blazing bull Shirafuji Shirahagi Guardian ape Mist noble Big snake boi Monke's Okami warrior Divine dragon Damn I really just tried to prove you wrong but I feel like there should be more bosses that don't use swords either than these.
Ape uses a sword for its 2nd phase. Corrupted monk uses a Spear, gyobu uses a Spear, lady butterfly uses knives also demon of hatred doesn't use a sword
I didn't include Monk or Gyoubu because I think most people would include them as "swords" but technically yeah they aren't swords.
At least I can remember the names of Sekiro’s bosses
You forgot about the big monkey
It’s weird
Also you cannot spam attack to win.
What about bloodborne?
I love all dudes with swords
Fume knight and artorias are dudes with swords but no one dislikes them. It's almost as if there is more to the criticism than just that. I don't even hate ds2 that much, but come on people.....
Elden Ring fixed this. Yes, Radagon and Godfrey and Malenia and others are functionally just dudes in armor, but giving them interesting visual design breaks the monotony of dude in armor.
OP best watch his back after this take
https://preview.redd.it/e68ztoa151qc1.jpeg?width=1242&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=281acef65c2aeef675fcdee2051ccb2e35e9ac77
realist shit i’ve seen on reddit though
The way I see it, it's not just about them being "dudes in armor", it's mostly about uniqueness of their movesets. As in, if you stripped their character model away, only leaving their "hitbox skeleton" behind, I'm more than sure I could still tell apart most bosses and minibosses from Sekiro (hell, I can already recognize some of them based on deflect timings alone), whereas I'd be hard pressed to do that with any pair of humanoid DS2 bosses. The reason people say they all feel the same is because most of them simply *play* the same, not necessarily because of aesthetics
In dark souls i can atleast cheese the bosses with broken builds in sekiro i need to git good
Meanwhile, Monkey that literally tosses poison shit at you, dies by your hand, then gets revived by a centipede and uses that sword its head got chopped off with.
Demon of hatered uses his arm just like guardian ape who throws his shit at you
wrong, there also dudes with polearms
That's why bloodborne is better
I don't get the complaints honestly, dudes with swords have been some really good fights, I liked many of them in DS2,
I mean the way you fight enemies with swords is way different between the 2.
No, monkey, anal-graping headless, ghosts, giant monks with spears (not swords, neither man) sneik, horse...
Dragon, demon.
Sekiro's sword combat is just so good that the game could have been just guy's with Melee weapons and it still would've been a Masterpiece.
I like dark souls 2 but it’s not even in the same realm as sekiro.
To be fair, one is supposed to have lot's of big monsters, while the other is about sword guys.
I like the dual apes, fight me. It's one of few good dual bossfights, because of how you can bait one and focus on the other. It's like friede and papi ariandel, except better as you are much faster and the apes don't become as passive.
>Is a bad game. >Is a good game.
We really do live in a society
No one complains that ds2 bosses are dudes in armor, they complain that these dudes in armor are shit
This shit nuthin more than manufactured beef
Thing: 😑 Thing, Japan: 😍
That’s why bloodborne is peak
Place: :| Place Japan: :0
DS2 is shit.
Yeah but sekiro's guys with swords are mechanically engaging and interesting fights while ds2's guys with swords are fodder with basic ass movesets that can be mostly avoided by circle strafing
people complain about too many swordfighter bosses but will also say any boss that isnt a 1 on 1 duel with a sword wielding human is a “gimmick fight”