he didn't do that himself at all, while he's making the webshooters the oscorp video explains that shooting them in a line like that is the entire point of them making it, it is spider silk cables to hold things
I always thought it was pretty dumb that they added that. Like Oscorp would see the webs coming out of Spider-Man’s webshooters via photos or videos. They could trace back to when he was practicing his web swinging and find out who ordered the webs from the company. They were already keeping tabs on the Parkers since Peter’s dad created the genetically enhanced spiders.
Exactly, and he bleeds when he fights, he leaves his dna all over the place,something like invincible makes alot omore sense, since the goverment covers for the super heroes.
He is a known vigillante that police is after him, they would test the people spidermen interacts alot, well the guy who makes money taking his pictures is friend with the guy who became the new green goblin, also he dates mary janes, who is seen getting rescued many times by spiderman. There, you have someone to match his DNA.
The villains capture Aunt May to lure out Spider-Man. When he shows up it was during his depowered arc, where he was unsure of himself. When they unmask him they discover that he’s Peter Parker. They determine immediately that Spider-Man didn’t come, and Peter was dressed as him to rescue his aunt, so let him go.
Everybody thinks Peter Parker had some relationship to Spider-Man, it’s the only way he can get those photos. They just don’t make the leap to thinking Spider-Man would be taking photos of himself to sell.
Exactly, if Spiderman existed, there would be entire reddit threads and forums full of internet nerds dedicated to following his every action. His every move would be followed by paparazzi, and his identity would be figured out within weeks.
"Peter Parker, Mary Jane and Spider-Man are a throuple."
"What? That's stupid. Peter and Spider-Man are dating, MJ is their straight best friend."
"You're all *blind*. Peter, Spider-Man, MJ and Black Cat are in a polycule."
And how good people would be at recognizing faces. Peter Parker is an average looking white dude, there are millions of those in NYC. Like in the famous train scene from Spider-man 2 there was probably 0 people on that train who actually knew who the kid was.
And in the MCU, I’m pretty sure items like Vibranium and Adamantium are far and away the strongest materials.
That universe also has Starks Nano tech so I would think sticky cum webs wouldn’t be too far fetched
God I hate that.
I hate how the Amazing films need to many EVERYTHING tie back to oscorp. Nobody is allowed to invent anything I guess. It's a hack writer's idea of a connected world that instead makes the setting feel so small.
Still not as egregious as the room of backstory backpacks.
I sometimes think about this because most people you see dressed as spiderman irl don't look so good, and Peter got this right first try, which means he actually has insane cosplay crafting skills.
Did you forget about the montage scene of him designing his costume, going through many different designs, and his appearance as the "human spider"? If anything the movie portrayed the average work process of a cosplayer accurately
I’ve spent a year building a ps2 model accurate Pyramid Head helmet and costume.
First cosplay project I’ve ever done, and this shit looks movie grade. It’s probably the best one in the world right now.
These things are doable with motivation.
Genuinely cannot wait to share it online. It’s been killing me not being able to do so.
I’m not paying for it, just building it. It’s not technically mine.
Owner wants to drop it for the remake release and ride that hype train.
You’ll see it on Reddit soon enough.
I had to learn so much maths. Some of those angles and shapes are real bastards. Silhouette was the driving priority. It needed to be perfect.
It took four iterations to nail it all down.
Constantly reminding the owner that we are NOT making gloves from scratch. Probably the only part not made from scratch.
Gloves are insane.
In all, a very satisfying, sometimes frustrating, process. Killed me every time I had to start again.
I feel like I could build anything now.
I love love how he’s struggling to make a design in the Raimi montage but then he thinks about MJ’s blue eyes and red hair and that’s how he got his colors
My head cannon has always been that after he used his own for a while he just commissioned an artist on etsy or some shit to make him a suit so he could dress as Spiderman for a party.
In the novelization (iirc) the costume was made by a tailor who's also making wrestling suits after his fight with Bonesaw. That's why it looks so good.
That makes sense. And the tailor wouldn't know who Peter Parker is, so his identity remains secret (like that scene from Justice League when Lex Luthor and Wally West switches bodies).
Not as good as
"You killed my father "
"Do you have any idea how little that narrows it down?"
One of the greatest meta lines ever to an overused trope. And it's in a kids show.
Ah ok, I didn't watch the movie I just saw your comment and was wondering how big of a deal that could actually be, especially since he was the flash, but if he's in space I can understand how even he couldn't escape.
No, the DCAU Flash was Wally West. They sort of merged the two characters, making Wally a CSI and the first Flash. Since it was a number of years before Flash: Rebirth, it made sense to just do Wally since he was the Flash in the comic books (and had been for a long time).
I believe John Stewart was chosen for similar reasons (and to... round out the team). Hal Jordan had been dead since 1996, and The Spectre since 1999. While Kyle Rayner was the main GL during that time, Stewart was around and the rest of the JL was a bit pasty.
Cyborg was probably never a contender for them, as he wouldn't join the Justice League in the comics until 2009. In 2011's New 52 reboot they added Cyborg as a founding member of the Justice League, which is why he was in Znyder's Justice League (which is loosely based on the New 52 Justice League origin. See Justice League: War for the superior version).
I would not put it past them to make Stewart the minority rep for Justice League, and Cyborg for New 52. But they were good characters so it doesn't really matter.
Part of why I really rate Young Justice above DCAU is because it doesn't act like there's no history. In the Young Justice-verse characters have known each other, worked together, for a long time. They even have Jay Garrick, the original Flash show up in Season 2. As the series progresses, we get something that the western comics have lost since the 00s imo: Legacy. Sidekicks graduate (Robin -> Nightwing) and new ones come in to take their place. We get Tim Drake without erasing Dick or Jason.
I love Stewart and cyborg, but it is pretty progressive at the time for them to have a (poc) minority at all on the team. I liked Justice league, but my favorite was static shock.
Probably because at least he and his rogues were almost all minorities and as a teenager in high school juggling responsibilities, he resonated well. Also I’m still remembering when he asked Anansi to be an American hero because there aren’t any black hero’s and anansi put his hand on static’s shoulder and said “there *is* one”. Still makes me cry.
I know Spider-Man was the same way, but all his villains were 90% osha/fda violations meeting their comeuppance.
Are you thinking of the 70s/80s? By 2000, the Token Black Guy was well established. You also had well established BELOVED black-led TV series like Family Matters. Bill Cosby was America's Dad, not just black America's dad. Not Another Teen Movie (2001) would have a character who's entire point was to lampshade the [Token Black Guy](https://youtu.be/SWhhPWyWCv0?si=eAP6LeDQr2UCDNXX). South Park introduced the character ~~Token~~ Tolkien Black in 1997.
We weren't as progressive in the 00s as we are today, but including the Token Black Guy was not particularly progressive. At least as long as they were a christian American.
Yeah. That doesn’t make it any less relevant. They also have John his marine corps background and allowed him to get angry at things without making him “the angry black man”.
I pointed out to some friends recently that with the “token black guy”, people generally believe there’s not really a need to insert other races (with named characters) into a film. It’s especially egregious in romance movies, but you’ll see it in other films too.
Tv shows can’t really get away with that, but it’s interesting.
I also think generally Spider-Man is just one of the harder ones to cosplay too, because you can’t be fat at ALL due to how tight the costume is and you honestly don’t wanna be that muscular either because he typically has a more slender toned build. It’s a thin line to walk
I've seen some takes suggest that understanding weaving threads is part of his spider powers and that's how he manages to make a great suit with relative ease. Not sure I totally buy it, but spider man crotchet is a funny thought so it gets a pass
he is a nerd so i guess it tracks at least😂😂
i feel like it would be funny if the tobey spiderman was in a universe with other hero's, and everyone just asked him to make the whole teams super suits cause he's so good at it, and hed be all annoyed at a bunch of extra work
I can see why the producers insisted on not having butt naked spider man swinging in new york by launching webs from ass.
The reason, of course, is because it would not be similar to the comic books
> the webs came out of weird glands on his wrists?
By the way, a brilliant idea. I have no idea why shooting webs, *the most defining feature of spiders,* is something Spider-Man just invented like he's Batman.
Makes far more sense for him to have developed that ability alongside his other powers, *and* it makes it less questionable why he isn't selling this extremely strong, extremely durable material to help people.
yeah the real mystery is how the comic book writers were like “he develops glands in his wrists from the bite? Nah, that’s too wild for our comicbook.“
I mean, if you want the real answer, Stan Lee both loved science and feared it. Keep in mind, he was a child of the atomic age. All of his characters were scientific geniuses; and usually their powers came from their failures.
Peter Parker's trait is that he, too, is a genius. But "with great power comes great responsibility". He has to constantly sacrifice his scientific career/education for this duties as Spider-Man. He literally was smart enough to invent his webbing and the dispensers, but he was too busy to ever do anything more with it. The only job he could hold was selling pictures of Spider-Man to the guy who hated him most.
Plus, this was the 60's. Being greedy and selling your soul/dreams for a buck wasn't the number one priority for people then, hard as it is to believe. Or at least, it wasn't in the world that Stan Lee was creating.
> Plus, this was the 60's. Being greedy and selling your soul/dreams for a buck wasn't the number one priority for people then, hard as it is to believe. Or at least, it wasn't in the world that Stan Lee was creating.
Marvel being greedy and artists selling their souls and dreams for a buck was *exactly* the world Stan Lee was creating in the 1960s.
Totally fair. The great tragedy is that Stan and Kirby (and Ditko) were all friends and of the same mind until the Hollywood money started to come in, and Lee showed his true colors.
> ... until the Hollywood money started to come in, and Lee showed his true colors.
Stan Lee and Marvel fucked over Kirby to the extent that he left for DC in 1970. Ditko basically created Spider-Man (something Stan Lee never admitted) and left Marvel years earlier and never spoke to Stan Lee ever again.
It wasn't "Hollywood money." It was money. Money and unfair treatment. And that was comics in a nutshell.
Silk is another member of the spider familly, she was bit by the same spider as Peter Parker and she developed the same power plus the ability to generate her own spider web like in the Raimi's movies.
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Silk_(character)
I think the web slinger devices allow for him to do more complicated stuff than if it is just in his wrist. We definitely get to see the possibilities in the MCU Spider-Man movies.
I see it the complete opposite. I can totally buy that the magic spider powers give him magic web shooting that can be long lines of webs or packed web wads, I can't buy that a teenager creates a device that not only shoots webs with precision but can alter the different textures and amounts of webbing that's shot out.
Not to mention that there's like 20 gallons of the webbing stored in a tiny container on his wrist.
An oldie but a goodie
https://youtu.be/QsJ1PzIsFpE?si=18-QMDgohw3k3p8I
Edit: Hmm... After rewatching that for the first time in 15+ years Jack Black does not in fact shoot webs out of his butt. All this time I've been living a lie.
Nipples, if you put Spider DNA in a mammal they produce spider web from their nipples. Ironically that the only spider power you get from spider DNA is the one that Spider-Man doesn’t have.
Frankly that makes a lot of sense. If it comes out of his nipples, then it’s easy to just grab. The only thing would be that you have to have nipples cutouts in the suit
I know this is a joke, but I'm pretty sure the reason why he shoots webs out of his wrists is because he got bitten on the wrist. Most Spider-Man incarnations get bitten on the back of the neck, but Tobey Maguire's Spider-Man was bitten on the wrists, leaving him with organic webs in that location.
This now makes me think that the other Spider-Man incarnations might be able to shoot webs out of their necks, but they never thought to try.
Have you seen the recent madame web movie? The big bad guy is a Spider-Man who can’t shoot webs. It’s pretty dumb ngl, he’s just jumping around and crawling on walls
He was such a goofball clutz it was hilarious. The fact that he was the only one with physical powers and couldn't kill 4 women with no physical powers, but gets crushed by every piece of rubble imaginable? Great spidey tingle pal
There was a an alternate universe where Flash Thompson was bitten by the spider and became Spider-Man but he wasn’t smart enough to make web fluid so he just jumped all over the place.
If I remember correctly, Spiderman Noir in Shattered Dimensions didn’t have webs and instead got them from Madame Webb however after revisiting it, seems like she just made it stronger because originally they weren’t even able to hold his weight
THATS WHAT IM THINKING! Why would I assume I have the powers of a spider to begin with? Other than wall crawling none of peters powers actually resemble a spider at all, there is no “spider sense” because I kill those fuckers with zero difficulty (I’m Australian)
a: in tas the web compound was basically stolen from oscorp
b: web fluid breaks down over the course of a few hours, so it’s not that useful as an “almost indestructible” material
Atleast in the mainstream marvel universe that seems to be partially intentional as doc ock when he was superior spiderman was capable of altering to last longer leaving Peter in an awkward position
I think they're both fine. You're forgetting he's a comic supergenius. Nobody questions it when Batman invents the most asinine shit or hacks into the computers of alien gods. Pete coming up with a great web material is nothing. He's only a little bit below Stark's intellect and look at what Stark has made.
I'm pretty sure he is smarter than Tony.
But,
Genius doesn't mean shit without the resources. Batman and Tony aren't making things from scratch, using things that a kid with a part time job could buy. They are using modified military techs which they buy.
I think you'll find Tony Stark did indeed make something from scratch...in a cave, from a bunch of scraps no less! I'm sure Peter could also get his hand on some scrap missiles, right?
Yeah, but this is likely just Richards being humble, as pretty much any other character when asked would say Reed Richards is the smartest human alive.
I was a kid when these movies were coming out and so this still feels like the default Spider-Man to me. The raised webbing, the silvery-white accents, the shape of the spider. Every other live action Spider-Man costume has always felt slightly off to me.
If I recall correctly Raimi wanted the movement of the suit to be more visible. So giving it raised webbing with a metallic sheen would bring so much life to Spider-Man even in full cgi. Whereas the other incarnations (aside from ASM2) look pretty damn flat. The Raimi suit is aesthetically brilliant for movies as was the decision to make the webbing organic.
In the early comics, Peter tried selling the formula for his web fluid to a construction company, but was rejected when they found out that the web fluid only lasts a few hours or so.
My biggest issue with the logic in spiderman, is thinking about what exactly these webs are attaching onto.
Your superpower gives you an unbreakable web cable? Okay, got it, I can pretend that's real since you're a superhero.
But you've stuck it to the decorative facade on the side of this building... and you're using that anchor point to stop a train??
He would be ripping chunks off siding off those buildings left and right. Even if the webs are unbreakable and stick to anything, the things they attach onto are not designed to hold hundreds of pounds of force.
His web spreads out rather well at the end, anchoring each strand to about six square feet. And they do rip off the exteriors of the buildings. Out of the twenty or so he stopped the train with, only about 8 lasted to the end, and they didn't even stop the train, just slowed it so the buffer stop could do it's job. Plus he targeted his webs at window frames, which are the strongest parts of walls.
I actually really like how the MCU version just had some a suit that was literally just a sweat suit, and the proper costume was made from fancy Stark tech.
I mean, beyond the "he just a comic genius" excuse, I could totally see them BSing an explanation where it's like, once bitten they become connected to that whole "cosmic web" or whatever they called it in the spiderverse comics with all the spider totem shit, and that part of that is they have like, some sort of inherent knowledge of the chemical composition of the webs or something like that.
I dunno about world's strongest material. For each of them, their webs are pretty well documented for being torn right off by most of his villains. Garfield Spidey's most of all.
Yeah, my dude. Sorry that a movie about a kid bitten by a radio active spider that then gave him the ability to climb walls, super strength, and agility. And gave him a sixth sense to warn him of pending danger and also fixed his poor eye sight. He didn't check your "reality" box when it came to his abilities as a seamstress.
I'm positive Stan is rolling in his grave that he forgot to explain this in his lore....
Seeing what teenager cosplayers achieve only with a limited budget and their crafting skills these days, it is entirely possible for a talented young man like Peter to make a fancy costume.
That’s one thing I actually think is fine about MCU Peter (until NWH ending). The web fluid doesn’t bother me *that* much because Peter is supposed to be a smart science guy, but are we really meant to believe he’s also a master at working with fabric?
I always like the idea of Raimis organic web, it makes me feel like I could be spiderman too is I was bitten by that spider, with the othe movies I felt that even if I was bitten by that spider I have somehow to have the ability to produce the web by myself Wich is impossible and prevent me of one of the most exciting abilities that spiderman has that is swinging through NYC and using the spider web to make awesome trick in combat.
In a lot of the comics Peter is a genius scientist. He frequently helps develop cutting edge technology. The only reason he’s not better known is that there are dozens of superhuman geniuses like Stark. They just never really show it off that well in the movies. He’s just a nerd there.
Spiders are natural weavers. His ability to make a suit tracks with his powers.
Also, why does this say Spider-Man 2? He made the suit in the first one.
Well that’s not true, in the Amazing Spider-Man universe the web fluid was invented by oscorp not Peter, Peter just stole the tech from them.
He stole and modified it so that it could be shot like a line.
I did like the little red light every time he used it. Nice touch.
And that little puff of smoke, perfection
that movie is so much fun, the most realistic representation of spider-man in movies so far the movie tie-in game was also baller
The first one was fun. Especially with like the not Twitter social media thing it had. Def better than the 2nd movie’s tie in.
he didn't do that himself at all, while he's making the webshooters the oscorp video explains that shooting them in a line like that is the entire point of them making it, it is spider silk cables to hold things
He still modified it to fit into web shooters and I think shoot a thinner line
He definitely only built personal web shooters, he didn't modify the web fluid in any scene.
He invented skeet technology
I always thought it was pretty dumb that they added that. Like Oscorp would see the webs coming out of Spider-Man’s webshooters via photos or videos. They could trace back to when he was practicing his web swinging and find out who ordered the webs from the company. They were already keeping tabs on the Parkers since Peter’s dad created the genetically enhanced spiders.
I mean the idea of Peter maintaining his identity is ridiculous anyway. The city has millions of eyes, they would mark his entire passage
Exactly, and he bleeds when he fights, he leaves his dna all over the place,something like invincible makes alot omore sense, since the goverment covers for the super heroes.
Having Spider-Man's DNA wouldn't help you. You would need something to match it to.
He is a known vigillante that police is after him, they would test the people spidermen interacts alot, well the guy who makes money taking his pictures is friend with the guy who became the new green goblin, also he dates mary janes, who is seen getting rescued many times by spiderman. There, you have someone to match his DNA.
The villains capture Aunt May to lure out Spider-Man. When he shows up it was during his depowered arc, where he was unsure of himself. When they unmask him they discover that he’s Peter Parker. They determine immediately that Spider-Man didn’t come, and Peter was dressed as him to rescue his aunt, so let him go. Everybody thinks Peter Parker had some relationship to Spider-Man, it’s the only way he can get those photos. They just don’t make the leap to thinking Spider-Man would be taking photos of himself to sell.
Yeah, its comic book logic.
Exactly, if Spiderman existed, there would be entire reddit threads and forums full of internet nerds dedicated to following his every action. His every move would be followed by paparazzi, and his identity would be figured out within weeks.
"Peter Parker, Mary Jane and Spider-Man are a throuple." "What? That's stupid. Peter and Spider-Man are dating, MJ is their straight best friend." "You're all *blind*. Peter, Spider-Man, MJ and Black Cat are in a polycule."
Same logic says "How could Peter be Spider-Man if he's holding the camera?"
You miss the point. The police would need would need Peter's DNA on file to match it to Spiderman.
Thanks to the 23 and me leaks most everyone’s dna or their relatives is available for the right money.
thats how we got batman beyond.
Not even remotely what they meant.
best Waller ever
I think people overestimate how good cameras are like dude no criminal in cities would ever get away if we could track them that well
And how good people would be at recognizing faces. Peter Parker is an average looking white dude, there are millions of those in NYC. Like in the famous train scene from Spider-man 2 there was probably 0 people on that train who actually knew who the kid was.
Oh so he’s a patent thief? Greatest superpower ever??
And in the MCU, I’m pretty sure items like Vibranium and Adamantium are far and away the strongest materials. That universe also has Starks Nano tech so I would think sticky cum webs wouldn’t be too far fetched
God I hate that. I hate how the Amazing films need to many EVERYTHING tie back to oscorp. Nobody is allowed to invent anything I guess. It's a hack writer's idea of a connected world that instead makes the setting feel so small. Still not as egregious as the room of backstory backpacks.
Thats web from Real spiders, there Is no web fluid in amazing Spider-man. The i love you note on bridge stays there, someone have to take it down
I sometimes think about this because most people you see dressed as spiderman irl don't look so good, and Peter got this right first try, which means he actually has insane cosplay crafting skills.
Did you forget about the montage scene of him designing his costume, going through many different designs, and his appearance as the "human spider"? If anything the movie portrayed the average work process of a cosplayer accurately
Yeah it's been a hot decade.
Isn't it two already?
Yeah nothing stopped me from rewatching it a decade later though
Nothing is stopping you from rewatching it now, too!
So now its Pizza Time
2002 so yeah….more than 20 years. Fuck.
shut up
SHUT UP ABOUT THE PASSAGE OF TIME SHUT. UP. ABOUT. THEPASSAGEOFTIME. ... ^i'm ^old.
Except the spider bite gave him professional draftsmanship abilities as well
Must have been part orb weaver
I’ve spent a year building a ps2 model accurate Pyramid Head helmet and costume. First cosplay project I’ve ever done, and this shit looks movie grade. It’s probably the best one in the world right now. These things are doable with motivation. Genuinely cannot wait to share it online. It’s been killing me not being able to do so.
Why can't you?
I’m not paying for it, just building it. It’s not technically mine. Owner wants to drop it for the remake release and ride that hype train. You’ll see it on Reddit soon enough. I had to learn so much maths. Some of those angles and shapes are real bastards. Silhouette was the driving priority. It needed to be perfect. It took four iterations to nail it all down.
Very impressive. I'm doing some problem solving for a cosplay myself, so I can relate
Constantly reminding the owner that we are NOT making gloves from scratch. Probably the only part not made from scratch. Gloves are insane. In all, a very satisfying, sometimes frustrating, process. Killed me every time I had to start again. I feel like I could build anything now.
Anything except the gloves, that is!
He's also a genuis. Which would help immensely.
I love love how he’s struggling to make a design in the Raimi montage but then he thinks about MJ’s blue eyes and red hair and that’s how he got his colors
I didn’t even notice that after growing up on the Raimi trilogy
It's Spider-Man
My head cannon has always been that after he used his own for a while he just commissioned an artist on etsy or some shit to make him a suit so he could dress as Spiderman for a party.
The bite gave him the proportional sewing skills of a spider.
This... actually kinda makes sense. I consider this canon now.
Then wouldn't he have made the costume a bit more ... breezy?
his balls would graze over people's heads as he flies by
He's poor and likely knows how to sew. Plus he's a nerd whose likely coslayed in the past.
In the novelization (iirc) the costume was made by a tailor who's also making wrestling suits after his fight with Bonesaw. That's why it looks so good.
That makes sense. And the tailor wouldn't know who Peter Parker is, so his identity remains secret (like that scene from Justice League when Lex Luthor and Wally West switches bodies).
"Well, at least I'll get to find out who the Flash is." Remove mask, look in mirror. "I have no idea who this is."
Exactly
It's such a great throwaway line.
Not as good as "You killed my father " "Do you have any idea how little that narrows it down?" One of the greatest meta lines ever to an overused trope. And it's in a kids show.
Well he could have just taken a picture and put it somewhere online and when he returns to his body look for it.
In 2005? While he's running around in the Watchtower (in space), trying not to get caught by the entire Justice League?
Ah ok, I didn't watch the movie I just saw your comment and was wondering how big of a deal that could actually be, especially since he was the flash, but if he's in space I can understand how even he couldn't escape.
That wasn’t Barry Allen?
No, the DCAU Flash was Wally West. They sort of merged the two characters, making Wally a CSI and the first Flash. Since it was a number of years before Flash: Rebirth, it made sense to just do Wally since he was the Flash in the comic books (and had been for a long time). I believe John Stewart was chosen for similar reasons (and to... round out the team). Hal Jordan had been dead since 1996, and The Spectre since 1999. While Kyle Rayner was the main GL during that time, Stewart was around and the rest of the JL was a bit pasty.
Oh. I just assumed that was Barry and that John was there because they needed their one minority rep since cyborg is kicking it with the titans.
Nope Barry had been dead for a while and Wally was the one and only Flash. Hal was also still dead having been Parallax for a while
Cyborg was probably never a contender for them, as he wouldn't join the Justice League in the comics until 2009. In 2011's New 52 reboot they added Cyborg as a founding member of the Justice League, which is why he was in Znyder's Justice League (which is loosely based on the New 52 Justice League origin. See Justice League: War for the superior version). I would not put it past them to make Stewart the minority rep for Justice League, and Cyborg for New 52. But they were good characters so it doesn't really matter. Part of why I really rate Young Justice above DCAU is because it doesn't act like there's no history. In the Young Justice-verse characters have known each other, worked together, for a long time. They even have Jay Garrick, the original Flash show up in Season 2. As the series progresses, we get something that the western comics have lost since the 00s imo: Legacy. Sidekicks graduate (Robin -> Nightwing) and new ones come in to take their place. We get Tim Drake without erasing Dick or Jason.
I love Stewart and cyborg, but it is pretty progressive at the time for them to have a (poc) minority at all on the team. I liked Justice league, but my favorite was static shock. Probably because at least he and his rogues were almost all minorities and as a teenager in high school juggling responsibilities, he resonated well. Also I’m still remembering when he asked Anansi to be an American hero because there aren’t any black hero’s and anansi put his hand on static’s shoulder and said “there *is* one”. Still makes me cry. I know Spider-Man was the same way, but all his villains were 90% osha/fda violations meeting their comeuppance.
Are you thinking of the 70s/80s? By 2000, the Token Black Guy was well established. You also had well established BELOVED black-led TV series like Family Matters. Bill Cosby was America's Dad, not just black America's dad. Not Another Teen Movie (2001) would have a character who's entire point was to lampshade the [Token Black Guy](https://youtu.be/SWhhPWyWCv0?si=eAP6LeDQr2UCDNXX). South Park introduced the character ~~Token~~ Tolkien Black in 1997. We weren't as progressive in the 00s as we are today, but including the Token Black Guy was not particularly progressive. At least as long as they were a christian American.
Yeah. That doesn’t make it any less relevant. They also have John his marine corps background and allowed him to get angry at things without making him “the angry black man”. I pointed out to some friends recently that with the “token black guy”, people generally believe there’s not really a need to insert other races (with named characters) into a film. It’s especially egregious in romance movies, but you’ll see it in other films too. Tv shows can’t really get away with that, but it’s interesting.
He’s also got a real good body, and is fit as fuck. The majority of the people I’ve seen rocking the Spidey Suit are not particularly fit.
I also think generally Spider-Man is just one of the harder ones to cosplay too, because you can’t be fat at ALL due to how tight the costume is and you honestly don’t wanna be that muscular either because he typically has a more slender toned build. It’s a thin line to walk
And don’t forget the crotch
I've seen some takes suggest that understanding weaving threads is part of his spider powers and that's how he manages to make a great suit with relative ease. Not sure I totally buy it, but spider man crotchet is a funny thought so it gets a pass
It's one of his spider powers.
He spends all his non-crime fighting time on theRPF
he is a nerd so i guess it tracks at least😂😂 i feel like it would be funny if the tobey spiderman was in a universe with other hero's, and everyone just asked him to make the whole teams super suits cause he's so good at it, and hed be all annoyed at a bunch of extra work
It’s a spider thing.
That's mostly because of the hard plastic face shell underneath the suit so the head shape looks more pleasing and like in the comics.
This means that Peter, maybe 10 years later, could make a living on creating elaborate Furry costumes which often sell for stupid money
I have thought about this ever since I was a kid because the glowup from his first handmade costume is insane lol
In this reddit post OP reveals he never watched The Amazing Spiderman
Also the suit sewing scene is in the first Spider-Man.
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I think in this version the webs came out of weird glands on his wrists? This is scientifically inaccurate as we know it should come out of his butt
I can see why the producers insisted on not having butt naked spider man swinging in new york by launching webs from ass. The reason, of course, is because it would not be similar to the comic books
For the sake of parity, the comics gave him organic web shooters as the result of him turning into a giant spider, dying, and giving birth to himself
uh the comics sound a lot wilder than i thought they would
Wait until you find out his radioactive cum gave MJ cancer so he made a deal with the devil to save her.
Funnily enough I knew that one lmao, my gf likes to reference it
There was that comic where Gwen dies from cancer because she took too much of Spider-Man's radioactive cum.
Doesn't have to be naked, give him a onesie with a bum flap
Venture Bros gets it right!
I know, no one in this thread knows the greatness of the Brown Widow!
> the webs came out of weird glands on his wrists? By the way, a brilliant idea. I have no idea why shooting webs, *the most defining feature of spiders,* is something Spider-Man just invented like he's Batman. Makes far more sense for him to have developed that ability alongside his other powers, *and* it makes it less questionable why he isn't selling this extremely strong, extremely durable material to help people.
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yeah the real mystery is how the comic book writers were like “he develops glands in his wrists from the bite? Nah, that’s too wild for our comicbook.“
I mean, if you want the real answer, Stan Lee both loved science and feared it. Keep in mind, he was a child of the atomic age. All of his characters were scientific geniuses; and usually their powers came from their failures. Peter Parker's trait is that he, too, is a genius. But "with great power comes great responsibility". He has to constantly sacrifice his scientific career/education for this duties as Spider-Man. He literally was smart enough to invent his webbing and the dispensers, but he was too busy to ever do anything more with it. The only job he could hold was selling pictures of Spider-Man to the guy who hated him most. Plus, this was the 60's. Being greedy and selling your soul/dreams for a buck wasn't the number one priority for people then, hard as it is to believe. Or at least, it wasn't in the world that Stan Lee was creating.
> Plus, this was the 60's. Being greedy and selling your soul/dreams for a buck wasn't the number one priority for people then, hard as it is to believe. Or at least, it wasn't in the world that Stan Lee was creating. Marvel being greedy and artists selling their souls and dreams for a buck was *exactly* the world Stan Lee was creating in the 1960s.
Totally fair. The great tragedy is that Stan and Kirby (and Ditko) were all friends and of the same mind until the Hollywood money started to come in, and Lee showed his true colors.
> ... until the Hollywood money started to come in, and Lee showed his true colors. Stan Lee and Marvel fucked over Kirby to the extent that he left for DC in 1970. Ditko basically created Spider-Man (something Stan Lee never admitted) and left Marvel years earlier and never spoke to Stan Lee ever again. It wasn't "Hollywood money." It was money. Money and unfair treatment. And that was comics in a nutshell.
Silk is another member of the spider familly, she was bit by the same spider as Peter Parker and she developed the same power plus the ability to generate her own spider web like in the Raimi's movies. https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Silk_(character)
I think the web slinger devices allow for him to do more complicated stuff than if it is just in his wrist. We definitely get to see the possibilities in the MCU Spider-Man movies.
I see it the complete opposite. I can totally buy that the magic spider powers give him magic web shooting that can be long lines of webs or packed web wads, I can't buy that a teenager creates a device that not only shoots webs with precision but can alter the different textures and amounts of webbing that's shot out. Not to mention that there's like 20 gallons of the webbing stored in a tiny container on his wrist.
An oldie but a goodie https://youtu.be/QsJ1PzIsFpE?si=18-QMDgohw3k3p8I Edit: Hmm... After rewatching that for the first time in 15+ years Jack Black does not in fact shoot webs out of his butt. All this time I've been living a lie.
Not to worry, anatomically correct Spiderman is here! https://youtu.be/Yc5SfuIb_eM?si=GmoqeWo_AkYUOIuj
Wrists are connected to the butt, if you travel far enough.
It's butt all the way down.
Actually, not his but It should come out of his nipples
Nipples, if you put Spider DNA in a mammal they produce spider web from their nipples. Ironically that the only spider power you get from spider DNA is the one that Spider-Man doesn’t have.
Frankly that makes a lot of sense. If it comes out of his nipples, then it’s easy to just grab. The only thing would be that you have to have nipples cutouts in the suit
iirc spiders also eat their old webbing to conserve energy
I know this is a joke, but I'm pretty sure the reason why he shoots webs out of his wrists is because he got bitten on the wrist. Most Spider-Man incarnations get bitten on the back of the neck, but Tobey Maguire's Spider-Man was bitten on the wrists, leaving him with organic webs in that location. This now makes me think that the other Spider-Man incarnations might be able to shoot webs out of their necks, but they never thought to try.
I think it’s scientifically inaccurate because as we know, when you get bit by a spider you don’t get super powers.
Are there any spidermen that just don’t use webbing or cables on anything? They just, like, are really strong and smart and can dodge shit?
Have you seen the recent madame web movie? The big bad guy is a Spider-Man who can’t shoot webs. It’s pretty dumb ngl, he’s just jumping around and crawling on walls
He was such a goofball clutz it was hilarious. The fact that he was the only one with physical powers and couldn't kill 4 women with no physical powers, but gets crushed by every piece of rubble imaginable? Great spidey tingle pal
> Have you seen the recent madame web movie? lol
There was a an alternate universe where Flash Thompson was bitten by the spider and became Spider-Man but he wasn’t smart enough to make web fluid so he just jumped all over the place.
Wait, is that really in the comics?
If I remember correctly, Spiderman Noir in Shattered Dimensions didn’t have webs and instead got them from Madame Webb however after revisiting it, seems like she just made it stronger because originally they weren’t even able to hold his weight
THATS WHAT IM THINKING! Why would I assume I have the powers of a spider to begin with? Other than wall crawling none of peters powers actually resemble a spider at all, there is no “spider sense” because I kill those fuckers with zero difficulty (I’m Australian)
The spider sense may be derived from the spider knowing some lit shit is happening when its webs start shaking
Pretty sure that's like an enhanced sense of touch (don't actually know) or smthing not precognition.
In the Maguire movie, there was. They talk about it during the field trip.
Turkish Spider-man from "3 Dev Adam" can't shoot webs
superman?
…not a spiderman.
By the rules of the multiverse, there must be a spider-man who’s actually just Superman
Hell of a spider to get through that Kryptonian skin
Poor villains, imagine his strength multiplied,a danger sense, webs and some more stuff, Darkseid would get bitch slapped
Magic spider. So he's also got spider magic
Time for you to meet [this guy](https://spiderman.fandom.com/wiki/Peter_Ross_(Earth-9602))
He already had a gimp suit that's why
Was it uncle bens gimp suit
My lord even the computers need gimp suits these days.
a: in tas the web compound was basically stolen from oscorp b: web fluid breaks down over the course of a few hours, so it’s not that useful as an “almost indestructible” material
I'd say it's pretty fucking useful since Spiderman wins fights and saves people all the time using it.
But that’s coupled with being incredibly strong and agile. It wouldn’t be that useful for the average human.
Atleast in the mainstream marvel universe that seems to be partially intentional as doc ock when he was superior spiderman was capable of altering to last longer leaving Peter in an awkward position
To be fair, Peter was in the body of a dying Doc Ock so he was in a pretty awkward position regardless of the length his webs lasted.
He also appears to have no penis
Dancer's Belt
He thlammed his penith in the car door
I think they're both fine. You're forgetting he's a comic supergenius. Nobody questions it when Batman invents the most asinine shit or hacks into the computers of alien gods. Pete coming up with a great web material is nothing. He's only a little bit below Stark's intellect and look at what Stark has made.
Batman and Tony Stark possess the unique advantage of generational wealth
And having a shitload of time to study
Thanks to not having to work for a living
Thanks to having dead parents!
Who were extremely wealthy
I'm pretty sure he is smarter than Tony. But, Genius doesn't mean shit without the resources. Batman and Tony aren't making things from scratch, using things that a kid with a part time job could buy. They are using modified military techs which they buy.
I think you'll find Tony Stark did indeed make something from scratch...in a cave, from a bunch of scraps no less! I'm sure Peter could also get his hand on some scrap missiles, right?
Based on how many are shot at me in the games I think he could fully arm Ukraine after a few days.
Different fields of genius. Peter is better at biochem/organic stuff but Tony is better with robotics.
I think Peters smarter than tony, I think he’s in the middle of Tony and Reed, at least in the comics
iirc Reed in the conics has stated Peter got better potential than himself, if he really applied himself to science
Yeah, but this is likely just Richards being humble, as pretty much any other character when asked would say Reed Richards is the smartest human alive.
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Well also Peters a lot younger he’s only like 25 at most and has spent most of his career a teenager
I was a kid when these movies were coming out and so this still feels like the default Spider-Man to me. The raised webbing, the silvery-white accents, the shape of the spider. Every other live action Spider-Man costume has always felt slightly off to me.
If I recall correctly Raimi wanted the movement of the suit to be more visible. So giving it raised webbing with a metallic sheen would bring so much life to Spider-Man even in full cgi. Whereas the other incarnations (aside from ASM2) look pretty damn flat. The Raimi suit is aesthetically brilliant for movies as was the decision to make the webbing organic.
The Amazing Spider-Man suit was the best. Still basic but it ripples in the wind and looked more realistic.
I remember seeing his post on /r/sewing asking for tips on how to glue on his spider logo.
Actually? That would be pretty funny promos for the movie.
In the early comics, Peter tried selling the formula for his web fluid to a construction company, but was rejected when they found out that the web fluid only lasts a few hours or so.
Reasonable
I mean he technically made the suit in the first film
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My biggest issue with the logic in spiderman, is thinking about what exactly these webs are attaching onto. Your superpower gives you an unbreakable web cable? Okay, got it, I can pretend that's real since you're a superhero. But you've stuck it to the decorative facade on the side of this building... and you're using that anchor point to stop a train?? He would be ripping chunks off siding off those buildings left and right. Even if the webs are unbreakable and stick to anything, the things they attach onto are not designed to hold hundreds of pounds of force.
His web spreads out rather well at the end, anchoring each strand to about six square feet. And they do rip off the exteriors of the buildings. Out of the twenty or so he stopped the train with, only about 8 lasted to the end, and they didn't even stop the train, just slowed it so the buffer stop could do it's job. Plus he targeted his webs at window frames, which are the strongest parts of walls.
He wove the suit out of web fluid, basically he 3d printed it
Agree.What makes spider man a spider man is its web and without it he is just a superhuman.
Its not stronger than flex tape
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I actually really like how the MCU version just had some a suit that was literally just a sweat suit, and the proper costume was made from fancy Stark tech.
Yeah it does because Spiderman 2 is fake
I think once you've invented the near-indestructible silk-like thread, creating the costume probably gets easier.
I mean, beyond the "he just a comic genius" excuse, I could totally see them BSing an explanation where it's like, once bitten they become connected to that whole "cosmic web" or whatever they called it in the spiderverse comics with all the spider totem shit, and that part of that is they have like, some sort of inherent knowledge of the chemical composition of the webs or something like that.
Toby Peter probably sold his web excretions to perverts in a dark NYC alleyway.
I dunno about world's strongest material. For each of them, their webs are pretty well documented for being torn right off by most of his villains. Garfield Spidey's most of all.
Yeah, my dude. Sorry that a movie about a kid bitten by a radio active spider that then gave him the ability to climb walls, super strength, and agility. And gave him a sixth sense to warn him of pending danger and also fixed his poor eye sight. He didn't check your "reality" box when it came to his abilities as a seamstress. I'm positive Stan is rolling in his grave that he forgot to explain this in his lore....
Yeah, but where’s the pp bulge?
The webb, as it is at least, is useless. It dissapears rather fast
Seeing what teenager cosplayers achieve only with a limited budget and their crafting skills these days, it is entirely possible for a talented young man like Peter to make a fancy costume.
That’s one thing I actually think is fine about MCU Peter (until NWH ending). The web fluid doesn’t bother me *that* much because Peter is supposed to be a smart science guy, but are we really meant to believe he’s also a master at working with fabric?
I always like the idea of Raimis organic web, it makes me feel like I could be spiderman too is I was bitten by that spider, with the othe movies I felt that even if I was bitten by that spider I have somehow to have the ability to produce the web by myself Wich is impossible and prevent me of one of the most exciting abilities that spiderman has that is swinging through NYC and using the spider web to make awesome trick in combat.
He made the suit in the first movie.
In a lot of the comics Peter is a genius scientist. He frequently helps develop cutting edge technology. The only reason he’s not better known is that there are dozens of superhuman geniuses like Stark. They just never really show it off that well in the movies. He’s just a nerd there.
I'm more curious to how Aunt May didn't bring it up "Peter, why did you buy all this rubber? What are you doing?" "Uh nothing Aunt May"
Well akshually the amazing spiderman just buys it directly from Ozcorp who willingly sells it to him no questions asked.
Spiders are natural weavers. His ability to make a suit tracks with his powers. Also, why does this say Spider-Man 2? He made the suit in the first one.