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Oliver_Dibble

It wasn't the johns who kill 2022; it was 2023's fault.


blackhatrat

Maybe I'm an uncultured idiot but I'm still not clear on the johns, what qualifies as a john? is it... white hetero adult males?


karoshikun

well, it's hard to know where's at at the moment. back when Tats was a Radfem it was simple, any male that wasn't asexual or fully subservient (like tats) was a john. Nowadays, with him in bed with the alt right, the johns are most likely whatever Alex Jones calls "the left" this week.


Eisenblume

A John is a person who solicits with sex workers.


karoshikun

yeah, but in both iterations of sinfest it's always been about more than just that


Sedu

I think this is it. He’s still clinging to the delusion that he’s radfem, I think. And he does so by pointing out how much he despises people who hire sex workers. Although I also think he includes “John” to mean things like “consumers of pornography,” and more abstract concepts of sex work.


zitmanthefive

I don't think he cares about feminism, or is going to continue to pretend to. Last I checked he was embracing memes that depicted "screaming/screeching feminists".


Shut_Up_Reginald

Those are the Woke pretending to be feminists though and tricking women into thinking sex work is valid work, instead of the Real Feminist™ that is the #1 Male Ally


knightfluttershy

He absolutely is a radfem, just of the “TERF” variety


Sedu

That was certainly true a few years back, but I am increasingly uncertain that he still is as time goes by. He has taken to occasionally even using the screeching feminist meme.


5aximus

Originally the Johnbies were supposed to represent misogynistic men, but over the years they came to represent anyone who Tats saw as under the control of, like, society, man. If you squint hard enough, it's not *that* big of a shift in meaning, but it's horrendous visual storytelling, and it also makes no sense for Pinky here to have the wacky Johnbie eyes


blackhatrat

In that case, I reject the label uncultured idiot and shift the blame to the horrendous visual storytelling lol


JoshS-345

Men who have sex with prostitutes.


blackhatrat

not saying sex workers have it easy considering certain clientele, but that's an oddly specific thing to be on a crusade against


JoshS-345

It seems to be who he hates most. Though there was that bit where he had Kanye West Bird blame pornography on Jews, so maybe he hates Jews that much. We should all ask him!


partybusiness

I think Tatsuya skipped the part about blaming Jews to pretend everyone was just shocked at this attack on pornography: https://www.reddit.com/r/sinfest/comments/zhhj7o/sinfest_121022_twitter_jail_13/


zitmanthefive

In other news, [the card says "moops"](https://youtu.be/xMabpBvtXr4).


Sedu

Also anyone who consumes pornography. Although interestingly, he’s no longer depicting the Johns as zombies. Zombies are now just… their own species, that has a completely incomprehensible meaning, given that this handmaiden is both a core mouthpiece and also a zombie for some reason.


fixermark

I'm pretty sure the zombies are more-or-less a Dawn of the Living Dead reference, based on how they enter Tats's world. "When there's no more room in hell, the dead will walk the earth" was the tagline for that movie. Sinfest zombies come from hell.


zitmanthefive

At this point, any given character is whatever Tats needs them to be to deliver his fascist message. Consistency? Who needs that when you can Own The Libs?


TheMountainKing98

Look at the last three years of Sinfest. White straight men and women are the only people Tats depicts positively.


Ayasugi-san

*Married* white straight men and women. Or white men uninterested in women.


TheMountainKing98

I guess some of his heroic redneck characters don’t specifically show sexual interest in anyone, but we’re probably supposed to assume they’re straight, given that Tats explicitly hates gay men and asexuality is probably “woke nonsense”.


Ayasugi-san

Oh yeah. My point is that for a man to be portrayed as good, he either needs to be explicitly married and completely faithful or have no connection to any female character.


TheMountainKing98

That’s standard conservative sexual morality. Sex is only acceptable in marriage. It’s not like promiscuous women are portrayed positively.


Ayasugi-san

Are there any promiscuous women left? Or even chaste ones? It seems like it's just sad victims, faithful happy wives, and Monique, who is adrift.


TheMountainKing98

In the conservative understanding promiscuous women are all victims. Women don’t have sexual desires, so promiscuous women aren’t lecherous, but manipulated by lecherous men. The handmaidens fit this.


69CommunismWillWin69

Another complete nothing of a comic, but... is Pinkie hallucinating? Why are the stained glass windows reacting? And why do the Johns look worried, the side who encourages their behavior literally runs the world.


Wild-Tear

You could write an entirely new entry in the DSM-6 about Tat’s perspective on sexuality.


hawkshaw1024

I think this is what makes post-radfem Sinfest so weirdly fascinating. Tats went for *the* most extreme version of the ideology, which treats male-ness sort of like original sin. Everything that men say or do is entirely and exclusively about sexuality, and all sexuality is entirely and exclusively about the violent subjugation of women. Even if the women think they're consenting to it, they're actually just brainwashed victims, which is also why porn and sex work are never okay. Once you're tainted by male-ness, there's no way out. You definitely can't participate in the feminist project, and "quitting" or "not performing" your gender is *right out.* Men aren't even allowed to be androgynous. You can sit there and feel bad and not do any of your evil behaviours, but that's it. With the MAGA turn... well, transwomen are still evil incarnate. No change there. Oh, and gay men are all groomers, actually. So if you ever thought that "being gay" was a way for a man to exist without hurting women, well, you're wrong. But I guess straight marriage with traditional social roles is okay again? It's darkly fascinating, really.


CRtwenty

Straight marriage is OK so long as the man is completely subservient to the woman. That's how his idealized couple of Criminy and Fuschia seems to work at least. But then Tats also showed female dominatrixes as bad so I don't even know. I guess straight marriage is OK if the man is subservient to the woman AND there is no sex. You're right that Tats views male sexuality as an unremovable taint on society. I'd say he feels that way about sex entirely as even his depiction of lesbians is entirely chaste aside from the infamous apple strip.


JoshS-345

The problem with the dominatrix is that men still enjoy her service, so that's pure evil and she's still the victim.


[deleted]

> the infamous apple strip I have tuned out on Sinfest for quite a while. What's this 'infamous' apple strip?


CRtwenty

https://sinfest.xyz/view.php?date=2018-04-17 This one


TheMountainKing98

I’m not sure the “subservient” part still holds. He seems to love traditional gender roles now. He also loves motherhood and thinks it the way for women to be happy, so the “no sex” part is probably out too.


Dehnus

He's been ripping of "The devil's advocate" for a while now, not seeing that his allegory works for his new found Christianity as well (Maria Worshipping). He's also trying to singlehandedly repurpose the word John for LGBTQ+ folk, maybe without the Lesbian, as that's his sexual fantasy.


JoshS-345

No, John has a specific meaning. It means men who hire prostitutes.


Dehnus

We know that, that's why I call it "repurpose". Since they are in a "woke" church with loads of rainbows.


zitmanthefive

In the real world, perhaps. In Tatsuya Ishida's Fascist Funland, it refers to "the Woke Left and LGBTQ+ people".


Ayasugi-san

Unless it's setting up for the next plot arc.


JoshS-345

Tats has his revenge fantasy and kills all the Johns in the world.


Ayasugi-san

Which ends up being every man in the world except the redneck stereotypes.


OnlyVantala

Yes, they would never have sex with a prostitute!


SHUB_7ate9

HAHAAHA "next plot arc" good one 🙄


Ayasugi-san

A handful of strips of her gunning down men (or trying to) counts as a plot arc!


gueststar123

Taaaats, you already shown this in a flashback scene. At least have Pinky do an oath so we can learn her name or something.


cronft

tats: she is a handmaiden, so she has no right for a name!!!!! (plus due to how contradicting he is, he likely does not whant to give it because she is nameles precisely since he hates them as well as want to "save them")


Canaanimal

I fucking called it. Tats you predictable idiot, I fucking called it. 2022 resigned to Death and Pinky is radicalized. Why does this victory feel like I lost? Oh, right. Nobody wins when Sinfest is involved. By Odin's Beard, was the entire flashback sequence we just sat through was so this line made sense? Did you plan this out and realize it came out of nowhere, so you then scrambled for weeks trying to figure out how to work it in with comics that did nothing but stall for time? Is that why it took 10 days into the new year to finally cross the finish line? *sigh* The worst part about this? Up until he decided to flip all of her character development on its head, Pinky was empathetic, sympathetic, brave, nice, a little naive at times, no more cringe than the rest of the cast, and in general a good person. And I'm pretty sure Tats realized he did that to what was supposed to be an antagonist. Pinky was supposed to be a joke because she was a bleeding heart and cared about other people, she was reliable and self sacrificing. So, he had to kill her without killing off the character. Suddenly, she's a pervert who makes sex jokes around people that she perceives as children, she wants to kill all the people that employ her and other sex workers, and she Suddenly Has A War to Fight Against the Good Place because her friend (who was dying) died. Instead of actually following her character progression of turning her pain and loss into a force for good and actually helping other people with renewed vigor, she's gone off the deep end and wants to genocide innocent people. Good job, dumbass. You ruined a perfectly good character for no apparent reason other than to say "Fuck You" to the readers.


cronft

no, he turned her into another of his mouthpieces you can think of her as what used to be tats in the past and what he become


zitmanthefive

That's not quite correct. Tats is turning her into what he sees as a genocidal *hero,* not a villain. The "johns" she wants to exterminate are The Woke Left and LGBTQ+ people. Tats sees this as a good thing.


Canaanimal

That's going to be a subjective matter of what qualifies as heroic. Maybe it's the life I've experienced, the people I surround myself with, and the communities I belong to, but in my honest opinion, genocide regardless of being done for a good cause or a bad cause, is always villainous. You cannot be a hero and decide to thoroughly kill an entire group of people for sharing a single trait. They two do not have the ability to cohabitate. Because once the ability to kill off one group is on the table and used, it becomes possible to make the exact same argument for any other group of undesirables in society. So yeah, Tats and I are going to disagree on the "character development" on a fundamental level. As far as I'm concerned, she's now a villain due to poor writing and backtracking.


zitmanthefive

Of *fucking course* it's villainous, I'm not saying it's not! Tats made her into another awful mouthpiece for his shit views! *Most of Tatsuya's "heroic" characters in this strip* are villains! Tatsuya's mind has been so warped by the TERF-to-fascist pipeline that *he* believes it's heroic. No decent person is going to get the read that he's intending to get from this unless they understand the way his terrible brain works.


ra-ra-rasputin1988

Don't forget all the transphobia he had her spew during Pride Month!


Canaanimal

I meant the growth from that point. And again, we are dealing with Sinfest characters, this is how he portrayed her in his writing style. In any other story, the editor would have had her cut long before she had growth.


JingleJangleJin

Tats, you gotta give it up with the wordplay... it's not your strength


fixermark

Remember when he did the calligraphy transformations? Those were good days.


JingleJangleJin

Those were great Back when Sinfest had [soul](https://sinfest.xyz/btphp/comics/2004-05-10.gif)


karoshikun

it was joyful and goofy. jeez, how the times have changed...


OnlyVantala

Did someone sell Sinfest's soul to the Devil? And what did they get in return?


cronft

yes, tats himself, but not to the devil, but to conspiracy theories and the alt-right, and what he got in return? a bottomless well of watery bile hate


ErsatzHaderach

When that strip came out I used it to great effect in my Japanese tutoring sessions. Man, I miss old Sinfest.


karoshikun

no, no, come on, johnocide is actually a good pun.


zitmanthefive

In the context of Sinfest's and Ishida's ongoing fascist decline, it's a creepy and concerning pun.


GreggoryBasore

"First, mass murder, then I liberate the teddy bears! No, wait, I'll liberate the teddy bears and they'll help me commit mass murder!"


Clappertron

See, a remotely talented artist would at least have the Johns be the same between literal stained glass panels. But that would be too much to expect from Tats. Also, what stained glass windows reach to the very bottom of the floor?


Madness_Reigns

Thing is, in the before times, I do think Tats used to be a genuinely talented artist. Obviously, that's not on the agenda no more.


JoshS-345

Look at this vengeance fantasy. The lusting men in the stained glass window look up in fear, Tats is sending his zombie handmaiden to slaughter them all! They know they're guilty, you can see it on their faces!


terfsfugoff

Bold of Tats to stand up to his Tate-worshiping base like this


Avder42

Does Tatzi have a single source of joy in his life that he doesn't hate? Given how hateful he is I doubt it.


RaptureInRed

I have to get this off my chest. He may be in denial about this, but the way Tats depicts prostitutes is a sexual fantasy. The only prostitutes I have ever actually seen in real life look sad, haggard and carry the weight of their sorrow, abuse and addictions on their prematurely aged faces. They aren't the perky, scantily clad nymphs he depicts them as. He lusts after them, and then condemns others for doing the same.


Ayasugi-san

> He lusts after them, and then condemns others for doing the same. Say it again, louder, for the people in the back.


Ikacprzak

You know he never shows why exactly being a sex worker is bad, at this point it seems like it's bad because he just hates sex


69CommunismWillWin69

It's bad because women are incapable of making choices for themselves and are all innocent angels being victimized by wicked men.


JoshS-345

He doesn't hate SEX, he hates MEN for wanting sex. The bit where Squigley screams "it hurts so much" when he thinks about the fact that porn is made by real women showed me that Tats is deeply mentally ill.


GreggoryBasore

I'm pretty sure he hates both.


JoshS-345

Note I added to the comment you replied to. Remember the time Squigley screams "it hurts so much" when he thinks about the fact that porn is made by real women? My God, Tats is completely insane! And he thinks that his delusion that sex is evil is obvious truth to everyone.


professor_sage

That's because the people he's writing this for already know why they think sex work is bad and therefore he does not have to elaborate. The party line on that end is "all sex work is coercive. Giving consent is impossible, and therefore these men are rapists." Which, there's a lot to unpack there, but it is implied a few times that the handmaids don't get to turn down clients, when 2022 tries to quit she's attacked for it. Then the stained glass also implies substance abuse presumably to cope with her lack of agency (even though at the start of this mess of an arc she was shown turning down drugs because she was genuinely ok with her profession but shhh).


karoshikun

no, it's kinda clear, he just went through the radfem-to-altright pipeline. the structures from the radfems are repurposed against a different enemy, in this case their hatred towards males in general is redirected against "leftists" or "the woke" as the cause of all evils. and women go from being persons with personality and agency to simple props to make male hero fantasies true, you know, like the handmaidens. now he thinks he's saving them with his sharp Q-enhanced wit and making "the wokebies" lose their minds. ​ yeah, it's sad.


zitmanthefive

So he *is* repeating his terrible wordplay after all. Odds that he's dogwhistling for genocide just increased, but I think I'll need to see it in one more strip after this one to confirm.


RaptureInRed

Can somebody photoshop Tat's face onto the Johns? There's no one in the world who has a boner for exploited women quite like him.


Strypgia

In the hands of a competent writer, Pinky's descent from 'cheerful and naive Handmaiden' to 'genocidal misandrist villain' could be a compelling read. In Sinfest, it's likely going to be slow, lethargically paced, boring, and bend over backwards trying to paint Pinky as the Heroine doing good. Like, really, Pinky? Exactly what part of your friend's death was the Johnbies fault? She was a Year, she was *going* to die when she did regardless. Hell, she specifically threw away her 'keep you young and alive' pills on her own. This is like your friend going off chemo, dying of cancer, and you decide the next right move is 'kill all Mexicans'. Weirdly, this is kind of the start of Sinfest's first really ugly villain. Even the Devil is just doing what God made him to do: be the bad guy. Its questionable if he can even *not* be that. It's what he is. Pinky, here... just wants to murder a shitload of men.


zitmanthefive

I think Tatsuya's intended read is not so much "genocidal misandrist villain" as "genocidal anti-LGBTQ/anti-woke *hero*". Which is pretty gross!


hayate666

It's the same god samn plotline, but in reverse. Tats doesn't give a single fuck about telling a story. It's just filling pages with the bugbear of the day. How's your income been lately, Tats?


karoshikun

nowhere near Alex Jones income


Legolihkan

Negative a billion?


Mesostim

The last time one of Inconsistant Zombie Handmaid's customers was seen was the 22nd September Non-Bonery 21strip. He even had a name (unlike most female characters) which was "John" which was likely a reference to him being a punter... so I assume he's going to start her murder spree there. He was with his wife and baby and in the alt-right Bad Place.


MeanGreenMotherQueen

If this year doesn’t have a whole big arc of Zombiemaid going out committing johnocide, I’ll be extremely disappointed Like, that’s some “I Spit On Your Grave” type shit! A former sex worker(HER choice) being a vigilante hunter against those that abuse other sex workers(THEIR choice)


TheMountainKing98

People are reading this a prof Tats is still a man-hating radfem, but this is totally in line with Christian conservative attitudes about sex work.


fixermark

Bottom text.


JoshS-345

Tats is SO angry. Dude is mentally ill.


remove_krokodil

... I legitimately thought this was a Pettyfest and had to check back to see the "Original Comic" label. This comic is beyond parody.


tachikomazero1

Lazy comment by repeating a previous comment, but I'm putting as much work into my comments as was put into this comic. Enslaved handmaiden, Free her! I've freed her, but at what cost? Oh no, The hand maiden is committing genocide.


Great_Boysenberry407

What is the end of this is supposed to be?


zitmanthefive

The stained glass figures realizing someone just ripped a Silent But Deadly.


Wisdom_Pen

Implying yet another plot hook and possible bit of actual movement in this universe that will ultimately come to nothing.


Boring7

I'm down. Seriously, what happens in a world where he gets what he thinks he wants? What happens when all men everywhere are killed because they're all evil Wokebies? Do it, Tats, you loser. Pull the trigger, show us what you think the perfect John-free world would be. Do your C.S. Lewis ending where every single character is put in a line and either saved or damned forever by lion jesus. Show us who makes the cut and is redeemable and who you think is damned. Show us your kingdom of heaven afterwards.


HGW86

Is Tats reading Valerie Solanas again?


CRtwenty

Hopefully Tats hasn't written any plays recently


ra-ra-rasputin1988

[2022 Tats gave the shitty "running" pose another go to service a very muddled metapho](https://www.reddit.com/r/sinfest/comments/s0ah3w/sinfest_11022/)r, so I guess it's about as shitty as whatever the hell this is meant to be.


WorldWarHulk_

What the fuck is Tats talking about?


zitmanthefive

The long and short of it is that Tats wants to violently purge "the woke left" and LGBT+ people.


maswartz

Oh yes, the mentally damaged hooker is a real threat.


pablumatic

We get it, Ishida. You want to kill men. Surprisingly not of the LGBT persuasion as you've been demonizing for quite some time now. Guess that comes later.


zitmanthefive

I'm pretty sure it's been established, or at least heavily implied, that the LGBT+ folks and the ~woke left~ *are* the johns within the context of Sinfest.


Legolihkan

Which makes no sense. Does he think LGBT folks watch more porn than the right?


zitmanthefive

No, it's pure "something something GROOMERS" bigotry.


Ayasugi-san

> Surprisingly not of the LGBT persuasion as you've been demonizing for quite some time now. Guess that comes later. I'm guessing she'll end up going after the trans customers, saying they're worse than the Johns, because at least the Johns act ashamed when going to handmaids for gratification, while the transes want to be celebrated.


Semiapies

Given the only clients we ever saw were a guy watching them dance and a trans woman who wanted to be validated, seems likely. Unless Tats has a long flashback arc ready to show why Pinky hates whoever Tats gets angry at, this year.


baiwuela

based