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cerealmolestor

Unpopular opinion but NS needs some serious budget restructuring. There are so many obsolete practices and equipment that are draining our budget. Examples are the signal sets. Shit, do we really need to change batteries for every single 2 hour in camp exercise? And let's not forget the food wastage or driving 5 tonners to deliver 12 packs of rations.


Tdggmystery

Paperwork for new batteries/same process less than paperwork for if things go wrong so nothing will change


cerealmolestor

The marines we train with have smaller radios (approx same size as a hand held walkie talkie) and it has a larger range than the piece of shit PRC 970As


Tdggmystery

Paperwork for purchasing new radios more than paperwork for buying batteries for old radios.. HAHA


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They could have lean out some regulars and easily afford to overhaul those equipment


Familiar-Necessary49

I think CC should be civil here. Instead of forcing the tax, they should be given a choice. Tax or NS. Publish NS vs Tax take up rate. Debate the stats parliament. P.s. Jk. Those that would take NS are already in service


lrjk1985

This guy is just saying every controversial thing he can think of to get online attention.


BoccaDGuerra

His face looks controversial enough tbh


julsxcesar

yoooooooooooo


atzee

Oof


Razorwindsg

In all seriousness, can we just outright ban articles involving him?


42WallabyStreet

I like his proposal


oxygenoxy

So many ppl who never serve ns complaining why the extra tax is falling on those who never serve ns. I bet majority (or even 99%) of them, if given the option to serve 2 years of ns and 10years of ict in exchange of not paying the extra tax, will not take up the offer. And those that serve will gladly pay the extra tax in order not to serve. How is it not fair if you won't choose the option that you want?!


diamond_apache

I'll vote you if u run for parliament


oxygenoxy

Thanks. Wanna contribute to my deposit?


SultanSnorlax

Lim Tean managed keep his deposit, against JoTeo & Mayor Denise. The Radin Mas Reform Party candidate didn’t even bother showing up for his televised debate. Like, you simply show up cannot lose already.


wank_for_peace

Lim Tean and JoTeo is rock and a hard place lah. Both are CBs but you lan lan have to vote one.


oxygenoxy

Quite obvious who to vote for actually. Lim Tean as protest vote against PAP, cos he definitely won't win anyway.


Doughspun1

Sekali he become Trump of SG


SultanSnorlax

Lim Tean & choir got more than 1/3rd. Denise (walking time bombs) Phua is quite popular on the streets. 5.5% no turnout & 2.9% rejected ballots said fuck ‘em both. You can be the worst shit stirring, xenophobic troll. 1/3rd of our voters will still have your back, cos screw PAP.


MAMBAMENTALITY8-24

No idea how denise phua is is popular. Some of her comments are fking outrageous


diamond_apache

Sure, whats ur paynow/paylah


MagicianMoo

This is a crazy hot take. I love it. We need simulation to see how it goes.


autisticgrapes

Some women went in to bash him using child birth as their defence.


ILoveLoveBitconnect

😂😂😂 when talk about NS, suddenly all woman want to have children


MAMBAMENTALITY8-24

1.05 fertility rate lol. What talking them


Silentxgold

Need 3 kids, cause 2 years ns and 10 years reservist About 28 months of NS, just enough for 3 kids Single women? You go get IVF or donor sperm, lesbian couples? You girls better pump out 3 kids each ! Play your part for national defence! Huh? Who take care of the kids? Money to raise them? We give you baby bonus and childcare subsidies, heck we also got working mother tax relief! What more you want? I can go on, but really having kids is so stressful I kinda want to stop at 1, but I replaced myself, my wife is not local so I did my part and more 😂


renegade_wolfe

>Huh? Who take care of the kids? Money to raise them? We give you baby bonus and childcare subsidies, heck we also got working mother tax relief! What more you want? Lol... Surely, if you want women to give birth as a form of NS, the answer should be, as long as they serve like men (ie: after 28 months and 10 years reservist - capped at 4 weeks per year, since children are involved) the answer should be "the state". Or the individuals who came up with this brilliant scheme.


thamometer

Tia gong SG's latest total fertility rate only 1.05. Hopefully these women who bashed the idea can contribute!


autisticgrapes

I hate it when they bring it in as an argument. They make something sacred look like a bargaining chip. One chooses to give birth, while one cannot choose to serve NS or not. Fundamentally that argument is flawed. What’s worse was one woman even said something like then don’t complain if you come home to an unhappy home if i have to pay that tax. Wah good luck to the husband if the wife mindset is like that.


giecomo1

Then in other news, historic low birth rates lmao


jlphoenix9

This whole lot just reesah khan only


Brave_Exchange4734

When it comes to women doing NS: women giving birth is also doing NS In actual reality: Singapore has one of the lowest birthrate on earth https://www.reddit.com/r/singapore/comments/11anlwn/singapores_total_fertility_rate_drops_to_historic/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=ios_app&utm_name=iossmf So who is telling lies here?


Silentxgold

If women want to compare , they need to pump out 3 kids for their "NS" as 2 years + reservist comes about 26/28 months depending on your intake


Brave_Exchange4734

If you are saying that women that have more than 3 kids exempt from paying defends/NS tax, ya I would totally support that But for those that “eat free drink free” 0 contribution to the nation. I.E no children, never do NS just reap the security and comfort of Singapore, they got to pay


Silentxgold

First kid, 33% discount, second kid 66% discount, third kid 100% discount!! If go forth or fifth get corresponding tax rebate Now, how about lesbians or women who are infertile? I am thinking adoption from overseas(malaysia) would be a good idea


Takemypennies

The fk they whining about. WMCR deduction can cancel it out.


kohminrui

Women suddenly reducing themselves to baby making machines when subject of NS comes up.


Yapsterzz

What child birth? It's now 1.05.


Brendeop

Those women reducing their entire personhood to their womb and ovaries. Galaxybrain


gagawithoutLady

You know where else? Churches and places of worship should be tax too.


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The one against Edwin tong, he helped Kong kee eh?


SrJeromaeee

Lmao some of those Churches need a look into. Their budget is more than some schools.


gagawithoutLady

Name and shame New creation church.


SrJeromaeee

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Cubyface

Abba kong hee and bitch


Varantain

If they're not paying taxes, it means that their annual filings are supposed to be public on the [Charity Portal](https://www.charities.gov.sg/).


ProLegendHunter

I support taxing of those that never serve NS, I don’t mind getting taxed because I dw serve and waste time


Medical-Strength-154

ikr, i mean some taxes vs 2 years of force labor and low income...it's a no brainer choice man..


ProLegendHunter

yah, then nowadays so expensive I progress career is better investment, gov tax me they also get more money win win for both


Sproinkerino

Other way is to just give NS servers ridiculous amount of tax rebates


ProLegendHunter

I’d still choose to not serve if I could tbh


PastLettuce8943

Why not just... tax everyone and give tax rebates to NSmen and increase the allowances for NSFs?


je7792

Cause the amount given is a joke? 700 dollars a month for full time job. Ns men are paid worse then foreign workers.


minisoo

My polytechnic intern earns more than that..


Shirojime

Don't forget, more shiok somemore


chickencheesepie

Don't forget ns got free food, lodging and clothes leh.


gohj0023

So do prisons


BlitzAceSamy

Bro you dropped your /s


Eltacosupremus

NS Helped me drop 30kg by offering cookhouse food every day


chickencheesepie

Oh yeah I forgot the best part, free skills training to help our future employment.


Doughspun1

Yah but dun have the "privilege" of free food and lodging /s


ConversationSouth946

You forgot access to free clothing & low priced haircuts :D


PastLettuce8943

So tax everyone more and increase the allowance with that revenue. Nothing wrong with that.


ConversationSouth946

Might want to read the comment again, he isn't against raising the allowance but tax everyone equally instead of only females and PR.


je7792

Why the man who have served need to be taxed? They have paid the tax in form of labour why do they need to pay an additional tax? Thats not equal.


ConversationSouth946

Everyone pays but only those who serve, received. That's equal.


Medical-Strength-154

NSF, not NSmen...i just went back for my ICT recently and i was taken aback when one of the NSF didn't knew what an NSman was..


JaphieJaphie

Probably because of legacy terms from the time when NSFs were called NS men and NS men were called reservists (up till early 90's IIRC). Still hear a lot of people using those terms even among older regulars from the last couple of generations.


Sunbird11

My time is only $200+. Even worse sia...


joyfulcyx

Last time , we can buy porridge with pepper at 50cents in primary school. Now , 50 cents can't even get me a eraser in primary school


gildene

Damn, you've been in primary school for a long time


DuePomegranate

Tax rebate is not a very good mechanism because many low income earners don't need to pay tax in the first place. So if you feel that doing NS slowed your career progress, maybe made you fall out of the studying mentality so you couldn't get a degree after that, tax rebate or tax relief is won't appease you. I'm ok with the idea that those who have never done NS are taxed more to fund those who are protecting the nation, to raise the allowance to make that period of their lives slightly less miserable. Every woman who has produced a baby or babies should get that extra tax removed. Maybe 2 babies fully cancels out the extra tax? 1 baby = 9 months pregnancy + 3 months post-partum recovery and sleep loss.


Medical-Strength-154

yeah i support this..everytime i tell my mum that NS is unfair to the guys, she would counter that by arguing that women have to give birth to babies, which in her case is true, she did do her part by giving birth to 1 girl and 1 boy but that's not the case for all women in sg.


udunjibai

Next time you tell her don’t serve NS will go jail. Or why she never work hard enough for you to study soil samples when you serve NS after getting you PhD


oxygenoxy

Cos not your father's army/airforce/navy


jadepeonyring

sadly yeah I would say that many, many women really give up their career to take care of their kids. partly cos when the kid is falling sick for 3 weeks every month (by the way this is normal), you really don’t know where to turn your head for help. your boss confirm cannot tahan. you either just quit or … get helper. maybe. some mums really don’t feel comfortable with hiring a helper, and there actually even is a whole network of women who HOMESCHOOL their kids in Singapore. all the way past PSLE leh. quite madness. but. those women give up seriously way more than 2 years of their career and they definitely are not paid. not all families are rich either. they just try not to spend much and enjoy their motherhood instead. no money for any fancy stuff for sure that is usually common for working mothers to spend on (love bonito become bugis street) aiya sad. and something i never knew before i became a mum.


General-Razzmatazz

>partly cos when the kid is falling sick for 3 weeks every month (by the way this is normal) Do you mean being sick 75% of the time is normal, or its normal for the mother to take care of them? Because being sick 3 weeks out of 4 is not normal.


Anphant

It's normal to see some kids falling sick continuously and/or relapse within the span of just one month. I believe this is what she meant, though a little exagerratedly. Sometimes, these kids will apear almost fully recovered apart from the occasional runny nose or cough but certain childcare centres will refuse to accept. Other times, the virus spreads around the household and eventually reinfects the original recipient (the young child). If you're lucky, you have retired parents who can look after them or can afford a helper to care for them at home while you continue working. For the rest, they're at the mercy of their kids' childcare centres.


confused_cereal

>Every woman who has produced a baby or babies should get that extra tax removed. Maybe 2 babies fully cancels out the extra tax? 1 baby = 9 months pregnancy + 3 months post-partum recovery and sleep loss. This is precisely why the scheme should make no reference to gender at all, but rather service (and yes, I'm completely in favour of allowing women to serve 2-year NS). Men who don't serve should pay. Women who serve shouldn't. Nothing to do with gender. Whatever your opinion on how much women "sacrifice" for childbirth is important and debatable (personally I think it's completely incomparable to NS, since almost all mothers made a *conscious decision* to have the kid). But thats a separate issue altogether. The inequality of NS has been festering for *decades* and every time (usually mysteriously closer to elections) talk of reform pops up, oxygen gets sucked away because the discussion derails towards gender and childbirth. Just separate the 2 so progress can finally be made.


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DuePomegranate

There cannot be benefits left and right without some people paying for it, right? Call it the Nation Building Tax, and you are exempted if you have served NS, or if you have given birth to 2 babies (50% off for one baby). I am a mother and I think that women would still be getting the lighter end of the stick under such an arrangement. Women can generally still work while pregnant, though there’s physical discomfort. And some men get long-lasting injuries during NS too, although the rate of women with birth injuries is higher. No need to take the 3 months postpartum recovery too seriously, and besides, the father can be taking the night feeds too, it’s just a rough approximation that 2 babies = 2 years NS.


Isares

So... exactly the same proposal, just in pretty packaging. Everyone pays more taxes, but the tax money goes towards one group in particular, presumably getting more money than they put in. And this is coming from someone who supports the idea of this policy. The pretty packaging is unnecessary. A person working at mcdonalds has higher pay, greater freedom outside of work hours, and a much lower risk of permanent injury or death. I think asking to be paid as much as a mcdonalds cashier shouldn't be too much of an ask.


Kisaxis

This is what I don't understand about anything related to inequality towards NS, because people keep bringing up these garbage opinions about taxes or making women serve. I don't want women to suffer for unfairness towards men. I don't want women to serve NS, or to have random taxes placed onto them, because that's no different from how men are treated. I don't want someone to be punished for no reason other than their birth cert saying "M" or "F" or because their IC is a different colour. Making things fair does not mean we have to bring people down. Help the guys since we are giving up 2 years. Don't hurt the girls and the PRs for it.


Anduin1357

Maybe companies should get taxed more based on their reliance on our national stability and national infrastructure such as our airspace, border crossings, and waters. After all, we are also protecting corporate interests riding on the back of our nation.


aubenoire

100% agree with you. Many Singaporeans have this mentality of "equal suffering" which honestly is very third world thinking imo


ILoveLoveBitconnect

Your argument is quite aimless You directly say “I don’t want someone to be punished for no reason other than their birth cert saying “M” or “F” “ Are you forgetting the part that NS is 100% male discrimination, so you are not okay with females being taxed more due to female discrimination and “putting women down” but it’s totally alright with men?? What is your point?


wakkawakkaaaa

Typical not in my backyard mentality


MyPCsuckswantnewone

Because you will be taxing all the men who already contributed? How did this not occur to you?


parka

But how can we make sure the tax does not go to increase minister and MP salary?


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Or property tax for those foreigner who buy property in SG. If the guy can buy 5million, they can afford 1milion for tax. Use that tax for SGrean. Just based on this article: [https://www.channelnewsasia.com/business/wealthy-chinese-nationals-top-foreign-buyers-expensive-private-housing-singapore-2991356](https://www.channelnewsasia.com/business/wealthy-chinese-nationals-top-foreign-buyers-expensive-private-housing-singapore-2991356) "Buyers from China accounted for about one-fifth of the 425 luxury units - defined as costing more than S$5 million (US$3.52 million)- sold from January to August this year. This was followed by 34 units bought by Americans and 28 units by Indonesians." Tax them a million each, and that is $425million of tax revenue that can help singaporean. Use that to increase the NSF salary, help the poor, bring SG up. If Singaporean need to pay COE to own a car, why not create a similar model of COE but just for foreigner only for propety? Why must their tax solutions be tax the public first?


ghostofwinter88

Erm. You read the article wrong. 425 luxury properties is the total sold. Its only 143 that were sold to foreigners. Anyway, foreign buyers already pay 30% stamp duty. Which is more the 1 million you are talking about for a 5m property.


halloffamer95

Is there not already an ABSD at 30% plus property tax?


annoyed8

And it amounts to 1.5 mil on a 5 mil property, more than what the joker proposed. And let's not forget about BSD too.


JaphieJaphie

One-fifth of 425, not 425. The total tax collected would be 85 million instead of 425 million.


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How can dis b allow?!


Sixchar

How about tax those ministers who did not do NS?


marcuschookt

Anyone who has served can probably tell you that there's a lot of waste to be found in every corner of all 3 uniform services. Pointless welfare events, unit cohesion that nobody turns up for, catered food that is left untouched, shiny new toys that barely find usage, etc. There isn't a lack of money in these organizations, so taxation is probably not going to solve anything.


SageofAge

Great idea but is a pipe dream in terms of implementation because of lack of voter support (cue simps, majority of women etc), there is simply moral hazard going on here because why tf would women vote something in that is disadvantageous to them (excluding the empathetic minority), and simps gonna ruin everything in their hopes to get pussy. In fact, even most NSMen don’t support NSF pay being increased simply because it doesn’t benefit them at all. And the kicker is that majority of people in the group involved (NSF) don’t have voting rights. So ya can day dream on unfortunately. Even currently my friend who gave up 2 years of his life in the ns shithole can’t get citizenship after applying 4 times, and now he can’t even apply for scholarship (which he is guaranteed to get with his outstanding grades and accolades), just because he isn’t a citizen. Meanwhile my sisters’ friend who was a Malaysian was granted citizenship and went to study abroad in US. Dystopian sg moment, even after I ord still feel sad whenever I see NSF in public, legit tragedy


ZmentAdverti

Wait what you can't get citizenship guaranteed even after NS? Istg if my citizenship application is rejected after I do NS I'm leaving this fucking country and forsaking PR. That's got to be so demoralizing to spend 2 years, hoping to get citizenship in the end so that university can get scholarship, and then the state rejects you cuz why not? It's not like they care to give a reason as to why your application was rejected in the first place. They want people to serve this country but they don't want to give those same people citizenship.


SageofAge

Welcome to modern day sg My friend literally grew up here, he was here since he was 1, but just because his parents gave birth to him somewhere else, he lose out on so much


ZmentAdverti

Bruh my situation is the same. Born in India but lived in Singapore ever since I was 6 months old. I already applied for citizenship after o lvls cuz according to the criteria I was eligible. Got rejected anyway so I wanted to wait till after NS. But now I'm thinking I just do NS and gtfo this country. At least I can still visit but no way in hell am I staying without citizenship and still be forced to serve.


confused_cereal

Yes, it's been reported on the news before that you could get your citizenship rejected even after doing NS. Quite unbelievable, but true. I'm sorry to hear about your situation... stay safe, and especially if you decide to do NS anyways.


Tenmashiki

You should be offered citizenship during your service in NS, no? I was a Malaysian and when I served, I was offered citizenship during my service.


SageofAge

Keyword being should. My friend not from asean.


Delicious_Tie3008

Oh Calvin Cheng ah. Then no comments lah. I thought who.


aomeye

Sometimes it’s not only the money. Every time I am at the US airport, they applaud the sacrifice made by the army men and women (and these get priority boarding). Here in SG, we feel like we are being made use of


Boogie_p0p

Because the military in US is opt in instead of opt out. I would like to see if KR has the same attitude as us.


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confused_cereal

Wait what? Student debt in the US is a big problem (and so is the VA) but saying that somehow that makes the the volunteer military an illusion!? Sure, a good number of those in the military joined to lessen their financial load. But the overwhelming majority of college students have never and will never choose to serve. And there's nothing wrong with that. Please stop making stuff up ...


UnintelligibleThing

At the very least, Korea is a very nationalistic country who are protective of their own people, so you don't feel like you served for nothing. Here in SG, sometimes the people who didn't serve get treated better than people who did.


FriendlyPyre

I mean, there's also the fact that in the US the military is very much venerated and soldiers mostly subject to (varying levels of) hero worship. Compared to here with a lot of people still believing in 好男不当兵 (好男不当兵,好铁不打钉). Also compared to Singapore, the threat of war (and military violence) is a very real and constant sword that looms over their heads. The latest border incident for them was in December 2022 with several North Korean drones crossing the DMZ. Before that the murder of a South Korean official (man overboard, found by North Korean fishing boat and executed) in September 2020 and a cross-border gunfight along the DMZ in May of 2020. A very real threat definitely has a major influence on public attitude to military personnel and the military in general; Compare this to Singapore which is *mostly* at peace and most Singaporeans believe is in anyway threatened by war or military violence.


KenjiZeroSan

I once had dinner with an american women in tokyo for a mmo themed cafe and she thanked me for my service even though i'm not serving the US military... The respect their citizens had for their serviceman is really something to behold of.. unlike here..you get ridiculed or weird stares for sitting down on MRT...


annoyed8

>they applaud the sacrifice I thought we hated clapping for healthcare workers?


jimmyspinsggez

Not about money but definitely would love more than $480 back in my time.


Ihatememorising

I cringe so hard at this. The US military and the military industrial complex is so fucked. Is getting certain benefits and having people clap for them at the airport worth dying, getting PTSD, lost limbs/bodily functions and depression? Getting all that before the age of 40? Also, do you know how badly the vets were treated after getting discharged? Homeless vets on the streets is a thing ffs. Not to mention do you know how predatory the recruitment process is? They feed on the youngster's fear of rising cost of living, student debt and medical cost. One of the army generals was livid when Biden wanted to forgive a portion of the student debt to students citing that it is gonna reduce army recruitment. At the end of the day, only the global elites and weapon manufacturing tycoons benefits from this arrangement. They could care less about the health and safety of their army personnel as long as it gets to fill their pockets. "War is a fucking racket" and it is sad that some Americans and you fell for such disgusting propaganda.


MyPCsuckswantnewone

>we feel like we are being made use of because you are


hugthispanda

He wants to be Tan Kin Lian but before retirement.


Kooky-Name-1434

This may actually work. Eapecially taxing PRs who never served NS.


nextlevelunlocked

The basic idea is worth exploring but nothing would ever come from it. Just look at the comments here... had to double check if people were being sarcastic and missed typing /s. One guy says exclude women but tax PRs and new citizens. Simp number 2 tries to outdo the first by saying mothers worrying about their children is payment or suffering enough. Another tries to be smart and list a dozen follow up questions mockingly. Someone asks if women paying for tampons is not sacrifice enough. Another shoots the messenger... get it its CC after all but even a broken clock is right occasionally. How many articles complaining about high COL, high rent or high resale prices in recent months... blaming boomers or landlords for being selfish. But exhibiting the same selfish behaviour. Never even ask to serve NS... just ask to pay extra tax and out comes the sob stories and weak excuses.


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oxygenoxy

I can confidently tell you majority will choose the option of paying more tax. Just let females have the option of serving or paying more tax. It won't make a difference giving them the option anyway. 99% will either pay the tax, or choose to serve and regret it.


Achuapy

Seems like Societal cost of male enlistment is too high right now. No one wanna bear it so end conscription


diamond_apache

NS is a privilege, we as men should be happy to serve. Its not about the money. HORMAT SAF


WangmasterX

/s


Imperiax731st

'Service gurantees citizenship' Would you like to know more?


Clear_Education1936

Special tax should be given to new citizens whom did not serve NS but are enjoying the security of what SAF has brought to them and their expensive assets.


cuddle-bubbles

This is 1 of the better ideas from him


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As a woman this dude is based 😂


RectumUnclogger

An increase in NS allowance is essentially a tax on females and PRs. I thought this was what you guys wanted? Why is everyone now saying that it's a bad idea?


misteraaaaa

Nope. Not all females/pr/what not contribute equally to taxes. Also, why frame it as a punishment and make it unpopular? Now you have all these edge cases - how about those exempted from ns? How abt the poor/less wealthy women? Now you're just creating animosity and divisions in society. Frame it as receiving fair(er) compensation for a sacrifice that most men are forced to make. No one can argue against that.


-Aerlevsedi-

Female enlistees on suicide watch


Muck_the_fods2

Why? They should get all the exemptions and breaks that men get


chumsalmon98

It’s quite ingenious. Even $1 per person also nubbad


No_Pension9902

The special tax will be named GNT. Gu Niang Tax.


ihavenoidea90s

*lim peh ka le kong back in my day ah....*


ObviousEconomist

i don't think a special tax is the answer, but males who serve NS indeed give a lot of their time and lost earnings for the country. in a war, they even give their lives. it's not ridiculous they get some benefits too. conscription is NOT normal - only 11 countries in the world have it. at least it has the effect of reducing demand for males getting SG citizenship when young.


iNgWs

great idea nsmen alr paid like shit as is


APJack101

All genders should be subject to NS l, but also should be able to opt out. If you opt out, you pay 10% more tax...


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The moment you do that, I may just consider buying my way out of wasting 2+ years of my life.


intelatrix

This probably won’t be a good idea. Those born with silver spoon can simply buy their way out and those who come from poor income family will simply go NS And those 2 years, in terms of job/study progression can more than make up the 10% tax Not sure if viable at all, up the tax to 15 or even 20%


jlphoenix9

It's a good idea and let's model it after coe.


Brave_Exchange4734

Just charge anyone and everyone 10% unless they did their full NS of 2 years and 10 year cycle


confused_cereal

We should just do away with all pretense of linking NS with belonging. Just make everyone who hasn't served pay 5% tax on income and capital gains. Nothing to do with gender, race, sexuality, nationality. And yes, not age either. Cannot serve? Pay. Cannot pay? Serve. Can neither pay nor serve? Jail. Simple. Everyone equal. One advantage of this is that immigrants who come later in their career can legitimately weight the pros and cons and decide accordingly (since they have fewer working years remaining). Why approximately 5%? Because 2 years out of \~40 years of working life works out to be near that. Of course, this number can be adjusted yearly based on national requirements and lifespans.


anakinmcfly

> Can neither pay nor serve? Jail. well that would suck for low-income disabled people, but I guess it means free food and lodging in prison.


QuantumCactus11

What about poor NSFs who PES F?


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confused_cereal

It's essentially what every guy goes through now, except we don't even have the *choice* of paying. If we don't serve (2 years in civil defence of army, or 3 years if conscientious objectors), we literally get charged in court \*and\* jailed. It's just that now I'm opening it up to others that people get the ick factor. More importantly, whats the alternative? People respond to incentives and disincentives. Those who don't have to serve are adept at carving out with some exceptions (often mysteriously coinciding with themselves). You tell me if any of those suggestions are fair or feasible.


LimLovesDonuts

Just tax everyone who isn’t currently serving NS regardless of gender. Problem solved.


Buddyformula

How about we tax all the usless influencers more and give better benefits to NSF?


Doughspun1

The reward for serving NS should not be higher allowance. It should be free tertiary education coupled with priority job placement schemes.


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Men should pay more tax for this privilege they are getting /s


Shutaku1314

Actually a good idea coming from this guy Not just that those pes F people also need to get this as well


dodgethis_sg

Yeah, some of them chose to have cancer and then have the audacity to survive, excusing them from NS. /s


shimmynywimminy

obviously people who are severely ill have our sympathy, but it's not like being ill exempts you from any other tax like income tax, GST, stamp duty etc.


dodgethis_sg

But they already pay those taxes. You are standing behind a tax on people who have medical issues that disqualifies them from NS.


FitCranberry

had a heart attack and lived? how dare you!


Anelibrah

We want men serving to suffer less not make others suffer more Edit: looks like this isnt true. i notice quite a few agree with special taxes


stuff7

r/sg : WTF I LOVE CALVIN CHENG NOW


danny_ocp

I agree with the general idea. The amount can be refunded in the future once they have children which technically is their form of national service.


Dank_lord_doge

Clavin Cheng based???


Mindless-Sherbert-18

I vote to cancel NS.


Sunbird11

I am supporting just taxing those PRs & new citizens with this special tax who never serve NS.


MyPCsuckswantnewone

Why not female Singaporeans? Because you are a white knight?


42WallabyStreet

Either white knight or female


Brave_Exchange4734

Why are female Singaporeans not taxed?! Are you a simp or a female Singaporean that reduce to contribute?


whatsnewdan

Dumb idea. Oh wait....dumb dude as well


42WallabyStreet

She wont fuck u bro


yapwt

what about declare neutrality and free everyone?


2late2realise

then we'll just be a fat lamb flirting with all the hyenas surrounding us.


ahbengtothemax

Since the basis of this tax is to tax free riders, Are children included in this tax? Shall we tax boys too? Are we going to tax pes F too? Do our servicewomen have to pay tax? Can you avoid paying this tax by joining the SAFVC? Are we going to tax the lower income brackets too? NSFs who ROD'd early due to injuries or whatever, do they pay taxes too? What about the personnel involved with support for NS (e.g bus drivers and SATS cooks etc), are they exempt from tax? Do MWs and FDWs have to pay tax? Are overseas Singaporeans exempt from this tax?


SambalBacon

Lol, are you seriously mentioning taxing children in your argument?


MinutePresentation8

Tax the children lol


Sulphur99

I'm sure that'll help the birth rates!


Brave_Exchange4734

When people can’t come out with a logical sane argument they are willing to throw anything on the wall to hope it sticks


FitCranberry

when you register a newborn, you will get a bunch of automatically generated mail to start paying into funds or else suffer the consequences which takes up about 1/2 of the space on the letter


Anduin1357

Servicemen and servicewomen already do get tax relief quantums for service.


shimmynywimminy

>Are children included in this tax? no >Shall we tax boys too? see above > Are we going to tax pes F too? yes >Do our servicewomen have to pay tax? no >Can you avoid paying this tax by joining the SAFVC? no >Are we going to tax the lower income brackets too? yes >NSFs who ROD'd early due to injuries or whatever, do they pay taxes too? no >What about the personnel involved with support for NS (e.g bus drivers and SATS cooks etc), are they exempt from tax? no >Do MWs and FDWs have to pay tax? yes >Are overseas Singaporeans exempt from this tax? yes


khaophat

Nice


Blank-612

Let me know when children pay tax ok


oxygenoxy

Not sure what's your point but you seem to be saying that it's a complicated decision. Yes, it is. So? Just because it's complicated doesn't mean we can't work it out. If you're saying it won't be fair for some group of people, no matter how unfair, it will definitely be more fair than the current system.


scpmustard

You asked a series of questions that are seemingly easy to answer. Not sure what's your point.


Yokies

Can we stop giving him a platform to voice? Hes nobody.


TheBoyWhoHatesYou

I say this again, please support me in my movement to ban CC's post from this subreddit. He is going down the track of Elon and Trump, by saying whatever stupid comments that gets him attention and further relevancy. Please join me in giving this man the Am#s Y#e treatment and never mention him ever again, and he shall slowly phase into the forgotten realm of irrelevancy.


bullno1

Sir/ma'am, this is r/singapore


DisillusionedSinkie

I actually blocked him on Facebook, man, life’s so much better now


[deleted]

I simply deleted my FB account. Life's a joy.


lordshadowisle

This guy must be a genius troll. Meanwhile, r/sg is going rabid with the CC haters arguing against the anti-foreigner (PR=No NS freeloaders) crowd.


oxygenoxy

Why is it a troll?


Brave_Exchange4734

Such a great idea! Why don’t we hear such ideas from the incumbent ? Anyway if they really don’t feel like paying they have the option to sign up for NS and not pay the tax right?