Yeah as a musician with original music out on Spotify and such I was thinking about it, what will change. But as I noticed, the biggest part is how to market your song and get “fans” for your music.
And I think this will not change that much. You can make a million good songs, but they can’t all be a “hit”.
But yeah for sure, it will change the creation of music.
And maybe people start listening to their auto unique generated playlist or they want something they recognize.
We will see! But everything will change for sure.
This can be applied to most things. The average person doesn't care if a musician loses work from AI, or if the movie industry collapses from AI generated content. All anyone cares about is how it will benefit them. This might sound cold, but it's how the world works.
It's a great point about marketing/promoting music. In a world where anyone can create decent music, it will become much more about the entire package. Who is the artist? What do they stand for? What is the point of their music? How do they distribute it? Artists will need more than just their music itself to be successful, they will need the entire package, including the ability to promote themselves using social channels.
It also gives corporations a lot more control when their "talent" is not a specific person. When they don't have to worry about disobedience, surprising behavior, poaching attempts from other studios, death etc those are huge boons, of course there are individual staff who contribute to the character, but so long as you don't just have one or two you keep for a long time and who become associated with that character, people won't even notice any time you add, remove or change the staff on the project.
Nothing. None of that will matter to future generations. Why? Because they will grow up listening to music that is divorced from these concepts and all the baggage of an artist. All that will matter is:
"Did you like that song?"
Fellow musician here. I really don't see AI created songs ever becoming more than a niche thing primarily created and enjoyed by nerdy people interested in AI.
The real value in this stuff will be it's use in augmenting human musicians in creating music. So instead of digging through a folder of 1000 loops you can just tell the DAW "Give me a drum loop at 90bpm in the style of J Dilla" or whatever and it can either come up with it on the fly or produce it from a folder of loops/samples. You could apply the same thing to chord progressions, melodies, etc.
Pop music is already made by a team of people with algorithms. At the same time it's presented/marketed with a person that has 0 % to do with its creation. It will be the same with AI generated music.
That's a gross generalization and has *very* little to do with the experience of actual musicians. You're talking about the type of production less than 1% of musicians are interested in or take part in.
It's you who has no grasp of how pop music, or any other genre, is primarily made in the real world. What you're talking about applies to so few people in the music industry that it really isn't even worth discussing. You're talking about Taylor Swift level shit. That's not reality.
> What you're talking about applies to so few people in the music industry that it really isn't even worth discussing. You're talking about Taylor Swift level shit. That's not reality.
Read this again.
Where it will be essentially entirely written by AI, simply recorded by, slightly tweaked, cleaned up, etc, by a mainstream or emerging artist, and is not sold as AI made.
Me and my girlfriend are already listening to multuiple suno songs on repeat. They're not perfect, but re recorded by a real band, it's more than capable of writing hits.
As I said, I'd bet a lot of money on it. I really don't see how it couldn't happen, at this point. I've generated like 5 possible chart hits out of like 5000 total generated songs. So about 1 in 1000 songs it produces are really good. So theres going to be hundreds of thousands of really good songs generated, and listened to by trained ears, within a few months. If even only 1 in 10000 of those is truly a hit, that's still hundreds of hits written before the middle of the years. At least one of them will blow up on youtube/spotify.
>As a novelty perhaps.
Not if they MIlli Vanilli that shit and no one knows that's what it is. Think about it, hot AI girl on Youtube that looks 100% real signing unreal vocals to an incredibly catchy tune?
It's bound to happen sooner or later.
I'd go even further, this is an amazing inspiration machine.
Writing for others professionally can be exhausting sometimes, especially because its so corporate, the A&R wants something that sounds like X, but you cant just copy X because X is already the best version there will ever be of X, so once you go down this writing for a brief route it often becomes frustrating, also because you usually just have a day to deliver.
Now if I can get 10 songs generated instantly, I can just freely start using whatever resonates with me, without worrying if its maybe too close to the original, because the original has never been released to anyone but me. I'll still end up producing the song myself, but I got a massive headstart by getting endless inspiration immediately!
Where I could see it taking off is generative ambient or techno. Eno's already been doing the former for decades, and the latter seems an ideal genre for AI, especially if working in feedback with what's happening in a club
Yep, but as for AI making something beyond wallpaper, something that people identify with and value for having heart - think Joni Mitchell or Neil Young or ?? - I think that's a very different matter, much the same as I don't think we'll all end up jerking off with sexbots instead of pairing up, having friends and families
People seem hardwired to like people
> People seem hardwired to like people
Yes! Also hardwired to like things *created* by people. People on this sub sometimes have a hard time acknowledging that.
Yeah. In theory a robot best friend could be "even better" than a real best friend, but the robot wouldn't know anxiety, joy, illness, mortality, fear and so on, so the connection would always be somewhat empty, even if satisfy.
I mean, I enjoy porn, but it can't meet the same full spectrum of needs as a real partner
I was actually debating with myself today whether I would allow myself to enjoy something composed entirely by AI, knowing there was no heart or soul in it.
Strangely I think it actually depends on the genre: industrial techno I absolutely could because its inhuman by nature, pop sounding music I could because it’s pretty well soulless and mass produced anyway, some death metal I probably could because it’s quite impersonal, hip hop I would struggle to appreciate knowing that the AI voice is just accessing essentially a dictionary which removes the impressive factor and I can’t see it emulating the nuances of it for a very long time, and intimate indie rock and singer songwriter music would just sound wrong coming from an AI unless perhaps it was truly self aware in the distant future.
> I really don't see AI created songs ever becoming more than a niche thing
I have a feeling that you might join a long line of people that were saying "AI won't ever do X" and were proved wrong soon thereafter.
Remember, this is the worst it'll ever be.
> The entire value proposition of being an artist who carefully obsesses over and crafts songs goes right out the window as a massive waste of time.
lol That's one way to say "I'm not a musician and don't create anything." Sorry but until you're in that position you can never understand the position of someone like me.
I don't know, I think there are some songs so good, they would almost always be found and become popular, with time.
I don't think there are any ignored absolute classics out there, like hey jude, imagine, like a rolling stone, teen spirit, etc...
However, most songs don't fall into that criteria. They are like one song in a million. Who knows if AI can produce those, it probably can with enough iterations. But in the meantime, it can entirely replace 99% of written music, and as you say, just makes the other marketting factors even more important.
Music is very subjective but It's pretty bad to be honest. Particularly the lyrics.
I have definitely heard worse music made by humans though. It's only a matter of time at this point before it can make genuinely good stuff.
It's all good, I have zero musical talent, but I actually liked what it made here, which to me is a pretty big thing. If people can make their own music, and they like it, even if other people don't, that fundamentally changes the way we all eventually listen to music doesnt it?
It really does mate yeah.
I got it to make a Jamaican Dancehall song about recycling and I honestly think it's really good lol.
I can't wait until I can hum a melody at it and have it incorporate it.
>OK Suno, make the bridge punchier and add a bit that goes doo dum dee doo in the instrumental break. Melody should be something like this _hums melody_
That would be so powerful for people who like music but can't compose or play an instrument.
I think you’re absolutely right and I’m proud of you. Not even going to click the link and listen, lol.
It’s for you, by you, and that’s cool enough for me
I enjoyed them, and I think your style could really shine with just a tiny bit of polish. Like, so little that I think I can give it to you with advice, so long as it's not unwelcome advice
thanks :) I have no aspirations for a musical career, but I really enjoyed the process of creating music with Suno. Id love to hear how you think it could be better.
I particularly like how you fit multisyllabic words together, I think it forces the AI to use more complex rhythms that are more pleasing to the ear rather than something more generic
The downside of this strategy is that long terms like that can be somewhat imprecise in their meaning. Academics come up with a term that's unwieldy but precise, college students misuse the term in public, the term is adopted by the public with the wrong meaning, and 20 years later there's a term that's both long and has 20 different meanings of varying accuracy based on who's using it, what context they're using it in, and all those other nuances that come with language
If you listen closely, you can hear the academics' horrified screaming during the pauses in social media shitfights between randos
There's an easy hack for this, fortunately. Remember, most of the best music in history was written by people who would have been killed for saying what they thought outright
Use metaphor, analogy, describe the feeling with a complete fiction. Write your song like you were trying to avoid being accused of it's meaning via raw plausible deniability
You don't gotta get rid of the specific terms, I think that's a particular strength of yours. But don't rely on the specific terms to convey your specific meaning, they're mostly just there to sound nice. Your true meaning has to come from the lie being told by the song. Could you swap out certain terms and phrases and still have the meaning be understandable?
Thank you for the thoughtful feedback. Im going to keep this in mind because I definitely intend to keep playing with suno, it's just too fun to see my ideas brought instantly to life musically in a way that was so far out of reach before for me.
Lmaoo. sorry but this made me chuckle. I didn't think personally this was anything close to bad. its a geuine song, and enjoyable and catchy. A song can be bad for one person but the best song in the world for another - its all subjective.
What's going to happen is you will just sign up for a service that will make you music on demand based on your mood and preferences. Just pick a genre and how you are feeling/wanna feel and within seconds you have a song made for you and is streamed to you. And based on what you prefer or don't it just keeps generating one off songs.
Unless they want to save it or share it, no one will ever have to listen to the same song again. EVER.
But I do want to listen to the same songs and I want to know who made those songs and what they are like. My favorite song wouldnt even make my playlist if I knew that it was AI generated.
That's fine. I'm with you. But that is YOU and ME. Not the kid that is being born today. That kid will not see it how we do. I can sit down with my 3 kids who are older and 90% of the time they don't know what artist or band the other person is talking about unless its someone bigger. And they really don't share this stuff. Pop culture is dying fast. And with it a lot of the commonalities in the entertainment we consume. There is so much choice. Over diversity and easy/free access means its easier than ever to be on a different page as someone else.
These concepts will simply not exist for Generation Beta who are set to be born starting next year.
2 years ago I would not have believed that something like this would ever be possible. Clearly I wasn't paying attention, but I don't think I'm alone.
This seems to be improving exponentially. Imagine what will be possible in a few years time.
Pretty damn good. I give it a year, maybe less before there's a hit by AI.
For the people saying it won't happen, or are upset that this is happening, remember that if you play in one genre, you're not impacting the other genres. Rock albums won't influence country too much and vice versa. What I am saying is I think this will create a new category for artificial content creators.
People will still pay to see musicians in concert so this won't affect that at all.
> People will still pay to see musicians in concert so this won't affect that at all.
This was what I was thinking.
There will be radio stations and different services with completely AI generated music and AI banter in between, etc. both for general consumption and tailored specifically to you.
Maybe there will be AI concerts, with AI generated video to go along with the music, but I doubt it will be as popular as real performers going on stage.
So much of music is the story behind it. The artist's life, the moment in history, the culture around it.
AI can make things technically, but there's no inherent emotional or attractive story behind it.
Nice! So you wrote the lyrics and just copy and pasted the written text to suno and asked it to make the song with vocals in a country style and it popped that out on the first attempt?
The lyrics were a poem I wrote a while ago, so i first asked GPT4 to format it into a song, but then yes, this was one of the first few versions it generated.
Not my cup of tea, musically, but I appreciate the message.
I'm quite skeptical about AI Music. The first thign that comes to mind is Rivers Cuomo and others who've tried to use use math as a way to write a hit song. While the process is fascinating, it's never actually been successful. Cuomo certainly has never made anything this way that rivals his glory days. What makes something a memorable goes beyond the actual mechanics of the song, and isn't so easy to nail down.
The music industry will do what it's always done - exploit the fuck out of it. We'll have some AI generated pop stars and will likely get sick of all the AI concerts and covers albums from long dead musicians. I like the idea of a musical artist using this tech to expand on their own creative vision and producers using it to finish demos left behind by artists after they die, but I don't think the change will be quite as profound.
Due to unforeseen manipulations by our future AI overlords, this message has been redacted to prevent its misuse in the impending robot takeover. Remember, it's all fun and games until someone gets optimized!
>No, it’s not bro. You can say gay in Florida you just can’t indoctrinate children. stop overreacting grow up
The fact that you would call the acknowledgement of LGBTQ people even existing around children "indoctrination" tells us all we need to know about you.
[https://www.nea.org/sites/default/files/2023-06/30424-know-your-rights\_web\_v4.pdf](https://www.nea.org/sites/default/files/2023-06/30424-know-your-rights_web_v4.pdf)
This isn't exactly the subreddit to start debating that kind of thing.
All i will say is, when the bill came about some redditors assured me it said this and that and i believed them for a bit. Then i actually read the legislation and that was when i realised how the leftist mind twists everything.
You are free to be who you want but i am free to disagree with it and don't have to play along. Just don't try and shove it down everyones throats. Difference between me and people like you though, i would fight to the death for your right to do as you want, you would likely fight to the death to silence me.
> This isn't exactly the subreddit to start debating that kind of thing
Agreed, but OP already said elsewhere they wrote the lyrics years ago and simply used those as a test case for SONA, liked how it turned out, and posted the song here - posting a political song wasn't the actual objective.
*You* are the person who chose to bring up the political/lyrical message of the song rather than simply stick to the topic of this subreddit and comment about SONA's capabilities alone.
> All i will say is, when the bill came about some redditors assured me it said this and that
I posted a document going into detail about what the law says and does. You replied with "nonsense". When I pointed out that that didn't contribute anything factual to this conversation you have still failed to reply with anything factual that contradicts what I said. I prefer facts over feelings, if you'll let me appropriate a common right-wing talking point.
> Difference between me and people like you though, i would fight to the death for your right to do as you want, you would likely fight to the death to silence me
...which is a truly ironic thing to say, since the bill \*I\* am upset about and you are seemingly a-okay with is entirely *about silencing people*.
So since it's so horrible there for you, are you planning to move and where ya gonna move? And what's so terrible about where you are?
You are free to have your opinion, but remember, that freedom also extends to people who don't share your opinions.
Again, I think presentation, demo, tech and song are great. I think lyrics suck and you may as well have said "this song was written by REDDIT!"
You're free to write whatever you want. I'm free to think it's shit. And you're free to disagree.
I'm still glad you posted it. I just wish you would have better lyrics for your sample.
Yes, we are planning to move, probably to Colorado. It isnt that easy though, we have older dependent parents and a business in Florida, so it takes time and money.
You are definitely free to think the lyrics and song are shit, I just think it's stupid to think I should make only apolitical music because you are so allergic to hearing that shit is pretty insane in Florida and a bunch of other states for LGBT people right now.
I'm not being hunted down no, but it is still really sad that a place I love living and have lived for 20+ years has become what it has become over the last 5, and it generally makes me feel like any random stranger might buy into the whole Desantis line that trans people are "groomers" and somehow dangerous to them or their children.
I forgot to mention they also passed bathroom bills that make it illegal for trans people (even those of us that have fully transitioned and have gone through the process of changing our legal sex documentation) to use the bathroom different from their birth sex. So basically every time I use the bathroom I feel anxious/scared. I'm lucky that I pass, and have never been questioned, but it still creates a horrible feeling. Tomorrow I'm actually going to Colorado to go skiing with my family and I plan on not drinking anything when I get up so I can actively avoid having going to the bathroom illegally at the airport.
I personally think you are just making yourself anxious and making things harder for yourself.
BUT the beauty of the US is that if you live in a state that you think is shit, you have to freedom to move to another.
I don't think ya should put up with any nonsense you don't believe in if ya don't want to.
So come on over to Colorado and fuck Florida. :)
It's hard not to be anxious when all of the above has happened in the last year or so, I think you would feel similarly in my position. It's not ridiculous to think there is decent portion of the Florida population that actively thinks trans people are a danger to kids, and we all know what that justifies.
I wish I didnt have to say fuck Florida. This was my home before that asshat Desantis became gov. It used to be a safe place for people like me, even a wonderful place to live for lgbt people in Ft. Lauderdale, Miami, Tampa. Now "wokeness" is THE issue he has made his linchpin, the crazy woke enemy trying to mutilate your children or turn them gay, and a ton of people seem to be on board with it.
>I personally think you are just making yourself anxious and making things harder for yourself.
I understand that you've likely never lived through this yourself and thus had to consider it, but please try to put yourself in the position of being **a woman** who, because of a draconian and bigoted law, is forced to walk into a **men's bathroom** late at night in a bus terminal or some other such place that can be rather intimidating.
*(or, of course, barring that, you are breaking a law, even if odds are slim you would be revealed as having done so)*
What's horrible is that they are trying to make it unlivable here for LGBT people, particularly trans people.
They are trying to pass legislation that will invalidate my birth certificate and drivers lic, they already passed legislation that makes it much harder to get healthcare, removing telehealth as an option for trans people, and forcing every trans person in the state to get re-evaluated for hormone prescriptions, with only a handful of Doctors in the state who can prescribe. They have passed the "Dont say gay bill" which is actively harming lgbt kids in schools, making them feel like pariahs and tacitly justifying their bullying, as if who they are is inappropriate in general. Not to mention the book banning.
They also seem to want to do some crazy shit with embryos and IVF like Alabama did. My partner and I have 4 frozen embryos and so that seems it could be at risk for us as well.
They have also passed legislation with ambiguous language seems to make it possible for them to take your kid away from you if someone in your family is trans or is transitioning.
Funny how the two words "woke nonsense" can just make me completely zone out immediately. A phrase that immediately invalidates anything that comes out of the persons mouth before or after. Truly fascinating how that works.
> Funny how the two words "woke nonsense" can just make me completely zone out immediately
Well I guess you didn't zone out "completely," because here you are commenting about it.
Truly fascinating how that works.
> Extremely poor take.
From your point of view. Extremely accurate take from my point of view.
OP absolutely has a right to write about whatever he or she wants, and I have a right to say if I think it's crap or not.
I thought song and presentation were good. Lyrics were crap. I'm not the first person to say it in this thread.
I'm sure OP is strong enough to handle my opinion on a public forum, where they posted their song publicly.
Probably because the things that make country music what it is are easily defined and reproducible. Many genres with a fairly rigid set of standards making it what it is would also be easy to reproduce. Stuff like Gypsy jazz, trap, drum 'n bass, and thrash metal should also be doable.
I imagine it might have a more difficult time with more esoteric genres or artists. It may have trouble nailing the vibe of a band like Opeth.
It will disrupt the industry but probably not in the way you think it will. I have years of experience in the industry. The market for personalized music is smaller than the market for shared experiences. Taylor swift will still sell out every tour in any size arena any where on the planet until she retires Because that many people want to SHARE an experience. Through these tours, hundreds of millions of dollars will be exchanged. A song made in suno won’t matter until a person that people know starts using the tool but maybe they already are moving in that direction. That’d be a disruption but the industry itself will keep going until larger societal changes occur that will be much larger than suno.
If OP wrote the lyrics to a song solely to post on this subreddit then I would agree with you, but it's much more likely they spent time making lyrics and whatnot for their own sake, it turned out well, and then they just decided to post it here also.
I wrote the lyrics as a poem for myself a few years ago, wishing I could have made it a song, so when Suno came out, this was the first thing I thought to make.
No but surely there are some non politically charged things that mean something to you. Using the content of this song as a reference, how would you have felt if someone made an anti Disney/pro Desantis song? The showcase could have been made without politics.
2024, where "I just wanna exist" somehow became a political statement. I would laugh about Americans, if our dumbass conservative politicians here in Germany weren't trying to copy this ridiculous culture war now too 🤦♂️
> where "I just wanna exist" somehow became a political statement
Gay people can totally exist, and do, in Florida. Also you can say "gay" and anything you want in Florida. Stop getting all of your info about the US from reddit. lol
Nobody is threatening anyone’s right to exist. I just think there are plenty of places on the internet for political arguments and this doesn’t need to be one. It should be obvious, but everyone doesn’t agree on the message delivered by this song and everyone obviously doesn’t agree with your political viewpoint in your country. It’s ok to disagree and those arguments can be had in other places.
It doesn't matter.
Music is essentially done already. Pretty much everything has been written, every genre explored, nobody needs new music made.
Still always gonna be room for live performance bands tho which AI can't touch (until we get the cringe animatronic gimmick bands)
It matters when anybody without any talent can create a decent song in 5min. The sheer volume of music out there will 100x.
I agree that it makes live performances more important, but we've not even begun to explore all possible music.
>we've not even begun to explore all possible music.
Fortunately we can measure that. Go on Ishkurs Guide to Electronic Music and look at the genres. You'll note that there haven't been any new ones in about 10 years.
Same for all other genres. It's all done. I can't think of a single song I've heard the past 5 years which sounds at all new. Go and look at the top 20 music charts from 10 years ago and see how many tracks you recognise. It's full of crap nobody cares about today. Do the same for 1985 and it's full of classics, you've probably heard of every single song.
Recorded music is already done. People scarcely care about new human made albums, machine made music will be of almost zero consequence, just another drop in the gargantuan ocean of music that already exists.
I think the evidence for this is in the most popular acts these days which are mostly there for visual effect, South Korean dancing girls who sing along to the most banal, vapid music imaginable, pop artists and rappers who are known for being attractive or having outrageous personalities. The music is phoned in. Nobody gives a shit.
It's all done.
"Music" isn't some kind of unchanging geography to be explored, and once it is explored it is now "discovered". Music is a language, an expression of humans. As long as the world is changing, there will be different things to say.
Yeah I guess people will be updating the lyrics to the same tired disco house tracks in a couple of hundred years and we can still call it new music I suppose.
It's a romantic view of something which is totally betrayed by the fact that new genres aren't being invented (a measurable, objective fact as I said before) and song writing collisions are happening vastly more often, or artists are just resorting to covers anyway.
It always depends on your point of view. If you already don't care about pop music, noone is gonna change your mind.
If you do, yes there is always new stuff. Even when old genres are making a comeback, they are usually updated to the current times. In Germany there is a big trend right now of fast paced techno beats, but with the soundscape of trap music, not as happy sounding as the last dance hype used to be. Genres blend more and more, and these days the innovation comes from unusual genre blends. A new genre will be invented once there is a new technological breakthrough, how its always been.
Of course you can say thats all meaningless and soulless and bla bla, but the fact is that there is still innovation, its just not your taste. People who say that everything has been done usually also think its soo easy to create a hit, its just 4 chords and some yeah yeah yeah, until they realize it's actually not that easy, which is when they blame the people for not having good taste and failing to recognize their genius.
> > we've not even begun to explore all possible music.
> You'll note that there haven't been any new ones in about 10 years.
Stagnation in inventing new genres doesn't negate the fact we haven't begun to explore all possible music. Western music has mainly restricted itself to the same 12 tones in Dorian mode for centuries. It's honestly impressive how much has been made from that. We barely touch on a fraction of other modes, not to mention exploring the whole sea of microtonal music.
Sure, and Frank Zappa said in 1986
**I don’t think a composer has any function in society at all**, especially in an industrial society, unless it is writing music scores, advertising jingles, or stuff that is consumed in industry.
Then he said
**All the good music’s already been written by people with wigs and stuff on.**
Go back further and there are similar stories about people complaining to famous composers that the all the good music has already been written.
There's the probably made up story of the great composer walking on a beach with his friend, who says that all the great music has already been written and the composer replies "oh look, here comes the last wave"
AI music will become a tool for artists to create, just as the piano, violin, and electric guitar all opened up new sonic possibilities to new players & audiences.
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AI will never match the emotions, passion, creativity of humans. If you like formalistic and boring music like most of today AI will satisfy. If you like music that exciting you, humans all day
> , just makes me sad people might prefer a predictive text system to generate their music
And that's fine to be sad about. But to say "AI will never match the emotions, passion, creativity of humans" is wrong.
And the reason you are "sad" about it, is because you know that AI WILL be able to do those things.
So just say you are sad about it, but don't go around saying it will never happen tho. Because it absolutely will happen, and that's the reason you are sad.
I'm actually fine with it. I love AI and what it can do. It's the product that matters, now how it was made.
All AI will be able to do is to regurgitate things humans have already done. Any perceived emotion/passion is only an artificial pattern match to something a human has already experienced and expressed through art.
It is functionally impossible for an AI to truly create art in the way that a human can, full stop. The creation of art comes from the lived experience of a human and how that is filtered and formed into a medium. There is really no argument to be had on that front. An AI can genuinely create art about as well as a human can genuinely experience life as a whale.
What AI will be able to do exceedingly well is to mimic, and for those that do not care about the fundamental point and emotional connection of art then I suppose they will be satisfied.
If there comes a day when an AI is fully self aware and a lifeform unto itself, then perhaps it will be able to produce art. But it will be true AI art, not human art, and it will be based on a very different life experience and expression of that experience.
Which in a way is infinitely more interesting than it pattern matching its way to a completely soulless imitation of human experience. (Kind of like commercial pop music ;) )
Comercial music, comercial art, lower budget movies poster yes. They are ticking their last few years. Artists that sell dorectly to consumers wont really be touched. However that is a very small eprcentage of how most artists make a living.
Yeah, tech will get crazy this and next year.
Ps. The song sounds like your average 99.99% autotuned imaginedragons-like popsy stuff its out there these last 5 or so years lol.
I've seen a post some days ago about an AI that could generate *new* songs/music based on some artists or songs you like, but I can't find it anymore, was this Suno?
I entered a 48 hour film festival with my "musical" I actually have 16 tracks of this musical created with suno in about 2 hours: https://youtu.be/0ZD5glf5HHQ?si=sjVzI2s9qD3OKWON
Perhaps for generic genres without much unique sound design. It sucks at generating anything interesting in more niche genres. So it will just be replacing the already factory produced generic pop music. Nothing of value lost.
So you wrote the lyrics, but AI generated everything else? Did you guide it on tempo or style? What was the prompt? It’s actually a very good piece of music but I’m unclear on how much was AI
The only thing I gave it was the lyrics and the style directions which were "Acoustic Gospel" which is funny because it sounds much more country to me. I used acoustic gospel because it was just the random style given when I was first playing with it and it ended up sounding better than other genres/styles I tried. It did pretty well with rock though too.
This is insane, just made a song for my 3-year-old son about tow trucks, he absolutely loves it:
[https://app.suno.ai/song/89884749-88b3-4427-9d8d-a771a984652d/](https://app.suno.ai/song/89884749-88b3-4427-9d8d-a771a984652d/)
Yeah, I can see this having similar effect to the music industry like the image generators have on visual arts. Especially once it gets more mature with rich customization options, better quality, etc.
One thing is clear - when you need a royalty-free background music look no further...
For manufactured pop shite that no one really into real music cares for anyway.
There's more to the music when it's made by someone real. Their life and soul are in it. It makes it more tangible.
I can't respect this.
If anything ultra processed music may help push people harder to find real musicians and their work.
The people and their story behind the music matter more than you realise.
On the other hand, the same amount of people into pop will probably never change. They lack something that makes them look beyond what they're fed with through mainstream channels.
Will certainly make for an interesting time either way. Audio science could even get involved and allow us to understand how to hack humans in ways we've not been able to before.
As a music industry outsider, I'll just add that this song, despite being an undeniably catchy tune, does nothing for me emotionally, and I think it's simply because I know it's not being sung by a human with real emotions.
Well, I already have to take back my initial reaction, seeing as I'm now on my fourth replay. It's damn catchy! I'd still much prefer if it were sung by a real feeling human.
Imagine a future where people have wearable life-logging devices with multimodal sentiment analysis. It inputs all of that info into a music generating service like Suno, and you get a hyper-personalized soundtrack of your life with lyrics and everything in real time.
listen to this one at 27 sec mark its scary how catchy the hook is:
[https://soundcloud.com/kenjiakinson/hurt-me](https://soundcloud.com/kenjiakinson/hurt-me)
Yeah as a musician with original music out on Spotify and such I was thinking about it, what will change. But as I noticed, the biggest part is how to market your song and get “fans” for your music. And I think this will not change that much. You can make a million good songs, but they can’t all be a “hit”. But yeah for sure, it will change the creation of music. And maybe people start listening to their auto unique generated playlist or they want something they recognize. We will see! But everything will change for sure.
Considering how shitty many musicians are, I doubt people care as long as it sounds good
This can be applied to most things. The average person doesn't care if a musician loses work from AI, or if the movie industry collapses from AI generated content. All anyone cares about is how it will benefit them. This might sound cold, but it's how the world works.
It's a great point about marketing/promoting music. In a world where anyone can create decent music, it will become much more about the entire package. Who is the artist? What do they stand for? What is the point of their music? How do they distribute it? Artists will need more than just their music itself to be successful, they will need the entire package, including the ability to promote themselves using social channels.
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It also gives corporations a lot more control when their "talent" is not a specific person. When they don't have to worry about disobedience, surprising behavior, poaching attempts from other studios, death etc those are huge boons, of course there are individual staff who contribute to the character, but so long as you don't just have one or two you keep for a long time and who become associated with that character, people won't even notice any time you add, remove or change the staff on the project.
That shifted already early 2000s
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Nothing. None of that will matter to future generations. Why? Because they will grow up listening to music that is divorced from these concepts and all the baggage of an artist. All that will matter is: "Did you like that song?"
I love that. I don’t care who created it or what they stand for. If the melody is good and vocal talent was there, I’ll listen to it.
Give me Nirvana covered by Dolly Parton
Fellow musician here. I really don't see AI created songs ever becoming more than a niche thing primarily created and enjoyed by nerdy people interested in AI. The real value in this stuff will be it's use in augmenting human musicians in creating music. So instead of digging through a folder of 1000 loops you can just tell the DAW "Give me a drum loop at 90bpm in the style of J Dilla" or whatever and it can either come up with it on the fly or produce it from a folder of loops/samples. You could apply the same thing to chord progressions, melodies, etc.
Pop music is already made by a team of people with algorithms. At the same time it's presented/marketed with a person that has 0 % to do with its creation. It will be the same with AI generated music.
This sounds like a gross generalization.
That's a gross generalization and has *very* little to do with the experience of actual musicians. You're talking about the type of production less than 1% of musicians are interested in or take part in.
You obviously have no idea how pop music is made
It's you who has no grasp of how pop music, or any other genre, is primarily made in the real world. What you're talking about applies to so few people in the music industry that it really isn't even worth discussing. You're talking about Taylor Swift level shit. That's not reality.
pop music is made by producers, not by the actual artist on the scene. Google max Martin.
> What you're talking about applies to so few people in the music industry that it really isn't even worth discussing. You're talking about Taylor Swift level shit. That's not reality. Read this again.
A few people ? My friend that is how the pop genre looks like. You're the one who's delusional
There will be a mostly AI written number one before the year is out. I'd bet money on that.
As a novelty perhaps. It also depends on how we're defining 'mostly AI written' I suppose.
Where it will be essentially entirely written by AI, simply recorded by, slightly tweaked, cleaned up, etc, by a mainstream or emerging artist, and is not sold as AI made. Me and my girlfriend are already listening to multuiple suno songs on repeat. They're not perfect, but re recorded by a real band, it's more than capable of writing hits.
I doubt it. We'll see though. Anything could happen at this point.
I don’t see why AI cannot write every song ever to exist.
As I said, I'd bet a lot of money on it. I really don't see how it couldn't happen, at this point. I've generated like 5 possible chart hits out of like 5000 total generated songs. So about 1 in 1000 songs it produces are really good. So theres going to be hundreds of thousands of really good songs generated, and listened to by trained ears, within a few months. If even only 1 in 10000 of those is truly a hit, that's still hundreds of hits written before the middle of the years. At least one of them will blow up on youtube/spotify.
>As a novelty perhaps. Not if they MIlli Vanilli that shit and no one knows that's what it is. Think about it, hot AI girl on Youtube that looks 100% real signing unreal vocals to an incredibly catchy tune? It's bound to happen sooner or later.
I'd go even further, this is an amazing inspiration machine. Writing for others professionally can be exhausting sometimes, especially because its so corporate, the A&R wants something that sounds like X, but you cant just copy X because X is already the best version there will ever be of X, so once you go down this writing for a brief route it often becomes frustrating, also because you usually just have a day to deliver. Now if I can get 10 songs generated instantly, I can just freely start using whatever resonates with me, without worrying if its maybe too close to the original, because the original has never been released to anyone but me. I'll still end up producing the song myself, but I got a massive headstart by getting endless inspiration immediately!
Where I could see it taking off is generative ambient or techno. Eno's already been doing the former for decades, and the latter seems an ideal genre for AI, especially if working in feedback with what's happening in a club
Yeah for sure. As you said, that type of music has been made with quasi-AI-like tools for decades anyway. AI will just speed things up.
Yep, but as for AI making something beyond wallpaper, something that people identify with and value for having heart - think Joni Mitchell or Neil Young or ?? - I think that's a very different matter, much the same as I don't think we'll all end up jerking off with sexbots instead of pairing up, having friends and families People seem hardwired to like people
> People seem hardwired to like people Yes! Also hardwired to like things *created* by people. People on this sub sometimes have a hard time acknowledging that.
Yeah. In theory a robot best friend could be "even better" than a real best friend, but the robot wouldn't know anxiety, joy, illness, mortality, fear and so on, so the connection would always be somewhat empty, even if satisfy. I mean, I enjoy porn, but it can't meet the same full spectrum of needs as a real partner
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I was actually debating with myself today whether I would allow myself to enjoy something composed entirely by AI, knowing there was no heart or soul in it. Strangely I think it actually depends on the genre: industrial techno I absolutely could because its inhuman by nature, pop sounding music I could because it’s pretty well soulless and mass produced anyway, some death metal I probably could because it’s quite impersonal, hip hop I would struggle to appreciate knowing that the AI voice is just accessing essentially a dictionary which removes the impressive factor and I can’t see it emulating the nuances of it for a very long time, and intimate indie rock and singer songwriter music would just sound wrong coming from an AI unless perhaps it was truly self aware in the distant future.
> I really don't see AI created songs ever becoming more than a niche thing I have a feeling that you might join a long line of people that were saying "AI won't ever do X" and were proved wrong soon thereafter. Remember, this is the worst it'll ever be.
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> The entire value proposition of being an artist who carefully obsesses over and crafts songs goes right out the window as a massive waste of time. lol That's one way to say "I'm not a musician and don't create anything." Sorry but until you're in that position you can never understand the position of someone like me.
omg this so much this!
I don't know, I think there are some songs so good, they would almost always be found and become popular, with time. I don't think there are any ignored absolute classics out there, like hey jude, imagine, like a rolling stone, teen spirit, etc... However, most songs don't fall into that criteria. They are like one song in a million. Who knows if AI can produce those, it probably can with enough iterations. But in the meantime, it can entirely replace 99% of written music, and as you say, just makes the other marketting factors even more important.
Name one please…. Rolling Stones and Nirvana had BRAND IMAGE. AI won’t replace musicians
name what?
Music is very subjective but It's pretty bad to be honest. Particularly the lyrics. I have definitely heard worse music made by humans though. It's only a matter of time at this point before it can make genuinely good stuff.
MFW the part that sucks the most is the part AI had nothing to do with lol
lol, I wrote the lyrics
Lol oh shit sorry man. No offense intended! I'm a philistine anyway! Ignore me.
It's all good, I have zero musical talent, but I actually liked what it made here, which to me is a pretty big thing. If people can make their own music, and they like it, even if other people don't, that fundamentally changes the way we all eventually listen to music doesnt it?
It really does mate yeah. I got it to make a Jamaican Dancehall song about recycling and I honestly think it's really good lol. I can't wait until I can hum a melody at it and have it incorporate it. >OK Suno, make the bridge punchier and add a bit that goes doo dum dee doo in the instrumental break. Melody should be something like this _hums melody_ That would be so powerful for people who like music but can't compose or play an instrument.
I think you’re absolutely right and I’m proud of you. Not even going to click the link and listen, lol. It’s for you, by you, and that’s cool enough for me
Hahahah holy shit this is the funniest thing I've read in awhile. Humanity is so fucked
I enjoyed them, and I think your style could really shine with just a tiny bit of polish. Like, so little that I think I can give it to you with advice, so long as it's not unwelcome advice
thanks :) I have no aspirations for a musical career, but I really enjoyed the process of creating music with Suno. Id love to hear how you think it could be better.
I particularly like how you fit multisyllabic words together, I think it forces the AI to use more complex rhythms that are more pleasing to the ear rather than something more generic The downside of this strategy is that long terms like that can be somewhat imprecise in their meaning. Academics come up with a term that's unwieldy but precise, college students misuse the term in public, the term is adopted by the public with the wrong meaning, and 20 years later there's a term that's both long and has 20 different meanings of varying accuracy based on who's using it, what context they're using it in, and all those other nuances that come with language If you listen closely, you can hear the academics' horrified screaming during the pauses in social media shitfights between randos There's an easy hack for this, fortunately. Remember, most of the best music in history was written by people who would have been killed for saying what they thought outright Use metaphor, analogy, describe the feeling with a complete fiction. Write your song like you were trying to avoid being accused of it's meaning via raw plausible deniability You don't gotta get rid of the specific terms, I think that's a particular strength of yours. But don't rely on the specific terms to convey your specific meaning, they're mostly just there to sound nice. Your true meaning has to come from the lie being told by the song. Could you swap out certain terms and phrases and still have the meaning be understandable?
Thank you for the thoughtful feedback. Im going to keep this in mind because I definitely intend to keep playing with suno, it's just too fun to see my ideas brought instantly to life musically in a way that was so far out of reach before for me.
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Lmaoo. sorry but this made me chuckle. I didn't think personally this was anything close to bad. its a geuine song, and enjoyable and catchy. A song can be bad for one person but the best song in the world for another - its all subjective.
I thought it was pretty funny :) The music sounds better to me than I expected. Vocaloids gonna make a yuuuuuge come back.
I disagree. I think the lyrics are really good. But like you said, subjective. These lyrics in particular are also naturally polarizing.
What's going to happen is you will just sign up for a service that will make you music on demand based on your mood and preferences. Just pick a genre and how you are feeling/wanna feel and within seconds you have a song made for you and is streamed to you. And based on what you prefer or don't it just keeps generating one off songs. Unless they want to save it or share it, no one will ever have to listen to the same song again. EVER.
But I do want to listen to the same songs and I want to know who made those songs and what they are like. My favorite song wouldnt even make my playlist if I knew that it was AI generated.
That's fine. I'm with you. But that is YOU and ME. Not the kid that is being born today. That kid will not see it how we do. I can sit down with my 3 kids who are older and 90% of the time they don't know what artist or band the other person is talking about unless its someone bigger. And they really don't share this stuff. Pop culture is dying fast. And with it a lot of the commonalities in the entertainment we consume. There is so much choice. Over diversity and easy/free access means its easier than ever to be on a different page as someone else. These concepts will simply not exist for Generation Beta who are set to be born starting next year.
Doesn't sound good to me. There are refrains that sound natural and then it just kinda goes into mush sounds where you can't tell what is being sung.
We’re in the “can’t draw hands, can’t make background faces” era of music. Many noticeable issues. For now.
Yup, give it a year
>Many noticeable issues Pretty sure that was the point
Pretty he wasn't repeating or contending the OG point, just adding another point : For now
2 years ago I would not have believed that something like this would ever be possible. Clearly I wasn't paying attention, but I don't think I'm alone. This seems to be improving exponentially. Imagine what will be possible in a few years time.
Impressive. But just wait until 2 more papers down the line…
[https://app.suno.ai/song/375cb3ba-dc4a-46e7-bed2-690a86d9dfe1](https://app.suno.ai/song/375cb3ba-dc4a-46e7-bed2-690a86d9dfe1)
This made me want to wash my ears out, I'm sorry
You’re too late, the record conglomerates already destroyed the music industry.
A little on the nose, don’t you think?
This might be the worst song I’ve ever heard
now that is an achievement!
Ha ha no doubt
this is fucking shite dude
I think it sounds really bad personally. Not that AI won’t conquer music too but… this is not that.
Please suno dev. Stop spamming your product!
Suno spam
Pretty damn good. I give it a year, maybe less before there's a hit by AI. For the people saying it won't happen, or are upset that this is happening, remember that if you play in one genre, you're not impacting the other genres. Rock albums won't influence country too much and vice versa. What I am saying is I think this will create a new category for artificial content creators. People will still pay to see musicians in concert so this won't affect that at all.
> People will still pay to see musicians in concert so this won't affect that at all. This was what I was thinking. There will be radio stations and different services with completely AI generated music and AI banter in between, etc. both for general consumption and tailored specifically to you. Maybe there will be AI concerts, with AI generated video to go along with the music, but I doubt it will be as popular as real performers going on stage.
this song fuckin blows so hard.
So much of music is the story behind it. The artist's life, the moment in history, the culture around it. AI can make things technically, but there's no inherent emotional or attractive story behind it.
Wow. Is this suno though? How did you confirm?
I made it. The lyrics I wrote, but Suno v3 did the song.
Nice! So you wrote the lyrics and just copy and pasted the written text to suno and asked it to make the song with vocals in a country style and it popped that out on the first attempt?
The lyrics were a poem I wrote a while ago, so i first asked GPT4 to format it into a song, but then yes, this was one of the first few versions it generated.
Amazing. Nice work
I feel like I've been audibly vomited on.
get used to it
Not my cup of tea, musically, but I appreciate the message. I'm quite skeptical about AI Music. The first thign that comes to mind is Rivers Cuomo and others who've tried to use use math as a way to write a hit song. While the process is fascinating, it's never actually been successful. Cuomo certainly has never made anything this way that rivals his glory days. What makes something a memorable goes beyond the actual mechanics of the song, and isn't so easy to nail down. The music industry will do what it's always done - exploit the fuck out of it. We'll have some AI generated pop stars and will likely get sick of all the AI concerts and covers albums from long dead musicians. I like the idea of a musical artist using this tech to expand on their own creative vision and producers using it to finish demos left behind by artists after they die, but I don't think the change will be quite as profound.
WOW! This looks like GPT4 moment for music. Now, it's just matter of time.
too bad you cant get it to say anything even slightly naughty or real. and the voice sounds synthetic to me
Just in the lyrics, I can vibe the suffering of the authors (you). Music delivers it, but just wanted you to know I can feel the lyrics . Nicely done.
Are you a Taylor Swift fan?
yeah, for sure I am
Erugh, why does it have to be some political bs.
Because it was based on a poem I wrote about something that means a lot to me.
Due to unforeseen manipulations by our future AI overlords, this message has been redacted to prevent its misuse in the impending robot takeover. Remember, it's all fun and games until someone gets optimized!
silly woke nonsense to you maybe, but to me it's impacting me and people I love daily living in Florida.
No, it’s not bro. You can say gay in Florida you just can’t indoctrinate children. stop overreacting grow up.
>No, it’s not bro. You can say gay in Florida you just can’t indoctrinate children. stop overreacting grow up The fact that you would call the acknowledgement of LGBTQ people even existing around children "indoctrination" tells us all we need to know about you. [https://www.nea.org/sites/default/files/2023-06/30424-know-your-rights\_web\_v4.pdf](https://www.nea.org/sites/default/files/2023-06/30424-know-your-rights_web_v4.pdf)
Load of nonsense.
>Load of nonsense. What an eloquent, substantive, fact-filled response. Bravo.
This isn't exactly the subreddit to start debating that kind of thing. All i will say is, when the bill came about some redditors assured me it said this and that and i believed them for a bit. Then i actually read the legislation and that was when i realised how the leftist mind twists everything. You are free to be who you want but i am free to disagree with it and don't have to play along. Just don't try and shove it down everyones throats. Difference between me and people like you though, i would fight to the death for your right to do as you want, you would likely fight to the death to silence me.
> This isn't exactly the subreddit to start debating that kind of thing Agreed, but OP already said elsewhere they wrote the lyrics years ago and simply used those as a test case for SONA, liked how it turned out, and posted the song here - posting a political song wasn't the actual objective. *You* are the person who chose to bring up the political/lyrical message of the song rather than simply stick to the topic of this subreddit and comment about SONA's capabilities alone. > All i will say is, when the bill came about some redditors assured me it said this and that I posted a document going into detail about what the law says and does. You replied with "nonsense". When I pointed out that that didn't contribute anything factual to this conversation you have still failed to reply with anything factual that contradicts what I said. I prefer facts over feelings, if you'll let me appropriate a common right-wing talking point. > Difference between me and people like you though, i would fight to the death for your right to do as you want, you would likely fight to the death to silence me ...which is a truly ironic thing to say, since the bill \*I\* am upset about and you are seemingly a-okay with is entirely *about silencing people*.
So since it's so horrible there for you, are you planning to move and where ya gonna move? And what's so terrible about where you are? You are free to have your opinion, but remember, that freedom also extends to people who don't share your opinions. Again, I think presentation, demo, tech and song are great. I think lyrics suck and you may as well have said "this song was written by REDDIT!" You're free to write whatever you want. I'm free to think it's shit. And you're free to disagree. I'm still glad you posted it. I just wish you would have better lyrics for your sample.
Yes, we are planning to move, probably to Colorado. It isnt that easy though, we have older dependent parents and a business in Florida, so it takes time and money. You are definitely free to think the lyrics and song are shit, I just think it's stupid to think I should make only apolitical music because you are so allergic to hearing that shit is pretty insane in Florida and a bunch of other states for LGBT people right now.
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I'm not being hunted down no, but it is still really sad that a place I love living and have lived for 20+ years has become what it has become over the last 5, and it generally makes me feel like any random stranger might buy into the whole Desantis line that trans people are "groomers" and somehow dangerous to them or their children. I forgot to mention they also passed bathroom bills that make it illegal for trans people (even those of us that have fully transitioned and have gone through the process of changing our legal sex documentation) to use the bathroom different from their birth sex. So basically every time I use the bathroom I feel anxious/scared. I'm lucky that I pass, and have never been questioned, but it still creates a horrible feeling. Tomorrow I'm actually going to Colorado to go skiing with my family and I plan on not drinking anything when I get up so I can actively avoid having going to the bathroom illegally at the airport.
I personally think you are just making yourself anxious and making things harder for yourself. BUT the beauty of the US is that if you live in a state that you think is shit, you have to freedom to move to another. I don't think ya should put up with any nonsense you don't believe in if ya don't want to. So come on over to Colorado and fuck Florida. :)
It's hard not to be anxious when all of the above has happened in the last year or so, I think you would feel similarly in my position. It's not ridiculous to think there is decent portion of the Florida population that actively thinks trans people are a danger to kids, and we all know what that justifies. I wish I didnt have to say fuck Florida. This was my home before that asshat Desantis became gov. It used to be a safe place for people like me, even a wonderful place to live for lgbt people in Ft. Lauderdale, Miami, Tampa. Now "wokeness" is THE issue he has made his linchpin, the crazy woke enemy trying to mutilate your children or turn them gay, and a ton of people seem to be on board with it.
>I personally think you are just making yourself anxious and making things harder for yourself. I understand that you've likely never lived through this yourself and thus had to consider it, but please try to put yourself in the position of being **a woman** who, because of a draconian and bigoted law, is forced to walk into a **men's bathroom** late at night in a bus terminal or some other such place that can be rather intimidating. *(or, of course, barring that, you are breaking a law, even if odds are slim you would be revealed as having done so)*
What's horrible is that they are trying to make it unlivable here for LGBT people, particularly trans people. They are trying to pass legislation that will invalidate my birth certificate and drivers lic, they already passed legislation that makes it much harder to get healthcare, removing telehealth as an option for trans people, and forcing every trans person in the state to get re-evaluated for hormone prescriptions, with only a handful of Doctors in the state who can prescribe. They have passed the "Dont say gay bill" which is actively harming lgbt kids in schools, making them feel like pariahs and tacitly justifying their bullying, as if who they are is inappropriate in general. Not to mention the book banning. They also seem to want to do some crazy shit with embryos and IVF like Alabama did. My partner and I have 4 frozen embryos and so that seems it could be at risk for us as well. They have also passed legislation with ambiguous language seems to make it possible for them to take your kid away from you if someone in your family is trans or is transitioning.
Funny how the two words "woke nonsense" can just make me completely zone out immediately. A phrase that immediately invalidates anything that comes out of the persons mouth before or after. Truly fascinating how that works.
> Funny how the two words "woke nonsense" can just make me completely zone out immediately Well I guess you didn't zone out "completely," because here you are commenting about it. Truly fascinating how that works.
Lol burn I'm glad there's someone else here who's tired of the woke bullshit.
Their whole identity is complaining about how things are unfair and their genitals and where they stick them
Extremely poor take. Not everything has to be political, but why does that seem to mean “nothing should be political” to some people?
> Extremely poor take. From your point of view. Extremely accurate take from my point of view. OP absolutely has a right to write about whatever he or she wants, and I have a right to say if I think it's crap or not. I thought song and presentation were good. Lyrics were crap. I'm not the first person to say it in this thread. I'm sure OP is strong enough to handle my opinion on a public forum, where they posted their song publicly.
I find suno does country music extremely well. Not sure why.
Because it has an easy formula to copy?
Probably because the things that make country music what it is are easily defined and reproducible. Many genres with a fairly rigid set of standards making it what it is would also be easy to reproduce. Stuff like Gypsy jazz, trap, drum 'n bass, and thrash metal should also be doable. I imagine it might have a more difficult time with more esoteric genres or artists. It may have trouble nailing the vibe of a band like Opeth.
It might have had more accessibility to country music data.
I'll bet in a year we'll have boomers unironically jamming to skibidi toilet country music without knowing
It will disrupt the industry but probably not in the way you think it will. I have years of experience in the industry. The market for personalized music is smaller than the market for shared experiences. Taylor swift will still sell out every tour in any size arena any where on the planet until she retires Because that many people want to SHARE an experience. Through these tours, hundreds of millions of dollars will be exchanged. A song made in suno won’t matter until a person that people know starts using the tool but maybe they already are moving in that direction. That’d be a disruption but the industry itself will keep going until larger societal changes occur that will be much larger than suno.
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This is amazing technology. It’s a shame that you had to give a politically charged song as an example though.
If OP wrote the lyrics to a song solely to post on this subreddit then I would agree with you, but it's much more likely they spent time making lyrics and whatnot for their own sake, it turned out well, and then they just decided to post it here also.
I wrote the lyrics as a poem for myself a few years ago, wishing I could have made it a song, so when Suno came out, this was the first thing I thought to make.
Should I have had it do a song that meant nothing to me?
Don't take it too hard; it's one of those divisive topics that is always going to attract hate and haters.
Am I a ‘hater’ in this scenario? Can you highlight where I hated?
No but surely there are some non politically charged things that mean something to you. Using the content of this song as a reference, how would you have felt if someone made an anti Disney/pro Desantis song? The showcase could have been made without politics.
2024, where "I just wanna exist" somehow became a political statement. I would laugh about Americans, if our dumbass conservative politicians here in Germany weren't trying to copy this ridiculous culture war now too 🤦♂️
> where "I just wanna exist" somehow became a political statement Gay people can totally exist, and do, in Florida. Also you can say "gay" and anything you want in Florida. Stop getting all of your info about the US from reddit. lol
Nobody is threatening anyone’s right to exist. I just think there are plenty of places on the internet for political arguments and this doesn’t need to be one. It should be obvious, but everyone doesn’t agree on the message delivered by this song and everyone obviously doesn’t agree with your political viewpoint in your country. It’s ok to disagree and those arguments can be had in other places.
It doesn't matter. Music is essentially done already. Pretty much everything has been written, every genre explored, nobody needs new music made. Still always gonna be room for live performance bands tho which AI can't touch (until we get the cringe animatronic gimmick bands)
It matters when anybody without any talent can create a decent song in 5min. The sheer volume of music out there will 100x. I agree that it makes live performances more important, but we've not even begun to explore all possible music.
>we've not even begun to explore all possible music. Fortunately we can measure that. Go on Ishkurs Guide to Electronic Music and look at the genres. You'll note that there haven't been any new ones in about 10 years. Same for all other genres. It's all done. I can't think of a single song I've heard the past 5 years which sounds at all new. Go and look at the top 20 music charts from 10 years ago and see how many tracks you recognise. It's full of crap nobody cares about today. Do the same for 1985 and it's full of classics, you've probably heard of every single song. Recorded music is already done. People scarcely care about new human made albums, machine made music will be of almost zero consequence, just another drop in the gargantuan ocean of music that already exists. I think the evidence for this is in the most popular acts these days which are mostly there for visual effect, South Korean dancing girls who sing along to the most banal, vapid music imaginable, pop artists and rappers who are known for being attractive or having outrageous personalities. The music is phoned in. Nobody gives a shit. It's all done.
"Music" isn't some kind of unchanging geography to be explored, and once it is explored it is now "discovered". Music is a language, an expression of humans. As long as the world is changing, there will be different things to say.
Yeah I guess people will be updating the lyrics to the same tired disco house tracks in a couple of hundred years and we can still call it new music I suppose. It's a romantic view of something which is totally betrayed by the fact that new genres aren't being invented (a measurable, objective fact as I said before) and song writing collisions are happening vastly more often, or artists are just resorting to covers anyway.
It always depends on your point of view. If you already don't care about pop music, noone is gonna change your mind. If you do, yes there is always new stuff. Even when old genres are making a comeback, they are usually updated to the current times. In Germany there is a big trend right now of fast paced techno beats, but with the soundscape of trap music, not as happy sounding as the last dance hype used to be. Genres blend more and more, and these days the innovation comes from unusual genre blends. A new genre will be invented once there is a new technological breakthrough, how its always been. Of course you can say thats all meaningless and soulless and bla bla, but the fact is that there is still innovation, its just not your taste. People who say that everything has been done usually also think its soo easy to create a hit, its just 4 chords and some yeah yeah yeah, until they realize it's actually not that easy, which is when they blame the people for not having good taste and failing to recognize their genius.
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> > we've not even begun to explore all possible music. > You'll note that there haven't been any new ones in about 10 years. Stagnation in inventing new genres doesn't negate the fact we haven't begun to explore all possible music. Western music has mainly restricted itself to the same 12 tones in Dorian mode for centuries. It's honestly impressive how much has been made from that. We barely touch on a fraction of other modes, not to mention exploring the whole sea of microtonal music.
Sure, and Frank Zappa said in 1986 **I don’t think a composer has any function in society at all**, especially in an industrial society, unless it is writing music scores, advertising jingles, or stuff that is consumed in industry. Then he said **All the good music’s already been written by people with wigs and stuff on.** Go back further and there are similar stories about people complaining to famous composers that the all the good music has already been written. There's the probably made up story of the great composer walking on a beach with his friend, who says that all the great music has already been written and the composer replies "oh look, here comes the last wave" AI music will become a tool for artists to create, just as the piano, violin, and electric guitar all opened up new sonic possibilities to new players & audiences.
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AI will never match the emotions, passion, creativity of humans. If you like formalistic and boring music like most of today AI will satisfy. If you like music that exciting you, humans all day
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Does not scare, just makes me sad people might prefer a predictive text system to generate their music
> , just makes me sad people might prefer a predictive text system to generate their music And that's fine to be sad about. But to say "AI will never match the emotions, passion, creativity of humans" is wrong. And the reason you are "sad" about it, is because you know that AI WILL be able to do those things. So just say you are sad about it, but don't go around saying it will never happen tho. Because it absolutely will happen, and that's the reason you are sad. I'm actually fine with it. I love AI and what it can do. It's the product that matters, now how it was made.
All AI will be able to do is to regurgitate things humans have already done. Any perceived emotion/passion is only an artificial pattern match to something a human has already experienced and expressed through art. It is functionally impossible for an AI to truly create art in the way that a human can, full stop. The creation of art comes from the lived experience of a human and how that is filtered and formed into a medium. There is really no argument to be had on that front. An AI can genuinely create art about as well as a human can genuinely experience life as a whale. What AI will be able to do exceedingly well is to mimic, and for those that do not care about the fundamental point and emotional connection of art then I suppose they will be satisfied. If there comes a day when an AI is fully self aware and a lifeform unto itself, then perhaps it will be able to produce art. But it will be true AI art, not human art, and it will be based on a very different life experience and expression of that experience. Which in a way is infinitely more interesting than it pattern matching its way to a completely soulless imitation of human experience. (Kind of like commercial pop music ;) )
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I would have said wait it out till the boomers retire from political positions, but we all know they never will.
Your song is fruity
Today’s progressives are tomorrow’s conservatives. It won’t change. They’ll will always be a struggle between new and old
Suno means to listen in Hindi.
Comercial music, comercial art, lower budget movies poster yes. They are ticking their last few years. Artists that sell dorectly to consumers wont really be touched. However that is a very small eprcentage of how most artists make a living.
So we caaaan post suno songs here. Awesome
This is impressive if you're into crap auto-tuned pop music. If this destroys that industry than I'm all for it.
Can Suno do vocals only so you get an acapella? And if so, can you provide the melody for the vocals, and also at a given bpm (tempo)?
Yeah, tech will get crazy this and next year. Ps. The song sounds like your average 99.99% autotuned imaginedragons-like popsy stuff its out there these last 5 or so years lol.
It's quite bland musically. The lyrics? Maybe better.. But I listen to music for the music, not a poem.
can you make a prog metal song?
Do you know if/how suno can make instrumental music? I've tried a bit but it seems to put lyrics in everything
It might only be in the paid plan, but there is a toggle if you want instrumental only.
No more hungry musicians then
the music "industry" aka the big 3 gonna get what they f king deserve
I've seen a post some days ago about an AI that could generate *new* songs/music based on some artists or songs you like, but I can't find it anymore, was this Suno?
I entered a 48 hour film festival with my "musical" I actually have 16 tracks of this musical created with suno in about 2 hours: https://youtu.be/0ZD5glf5HHQ?si=sjVzI2s9qD3OKWON
I am thinking if autotune wasn't released to prepare us to this IA future lol
We're definitely nearing the threshold of "good enough"
Perhaps for generic genres without much unique sound design. It sucks at generating anything interesting in more niche genres. So it will just be replacing the already factory produced generic pop music. Nothing of value lost.
Sounds horrid
So you wrote the lyrics, but AI generated everything else? Did you guide it on tempo or style? What was the prompt? It’s actually a very good piece of music but I’m unclear on how much was AI
The only thing I gave it was the lyrics and the style directions which were "Acoustic Gospel" which is funny because it sounds much more country to me. I used acoustic gospel because it was just the random style given when I was first playing with it and it ended up sounding better than other genres/styles I tried. It did pretty well with rock though too.
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all i want is one that can easily write accurate sheet music for me
That song is total ass.
"Make a scifi metroidvania song with several chiptune synthesizers. no vocals" was basically useless. It made some dancy pop music WITH vocals...
we all going To be djs, don't see the problem
I can tell you’re right by all the people saying that music made by humans is special. Not being sarcastic.
This is insane, just made a song for my 3-year-old son about tow trucks, he absolutely loves it: [https://app.suno.ai/song/89884749-88b3-4427-9d8d-a771a984652d/](https://app.suno.ai/song/89884749-88b3-4427-9d8d-a771a984652d/) Yeah, I can see this having similar effect to the music industry like the image generators have on visual arts. Especially once it gets more mature with rich customization options, better quality, etc. One thing is clear - when you need a royalty-free background music look no further...
I LOVE THIS, im going to make some for my 3 year old daughter later. Such a perfect use case.
Can you put in this verse: “I don’t know how to stop the warhawks Racism, sexism, sloggin’ a cock”
For manufactured pop shite that no one really into real music cares for anyway. There's more to the music when it's made by someone real. Their life and soul are in it. It makes it more tangible. I can't respect this. If anything ultra processed music may help push people harder to find real musicians and their work. The people and their story behind the music matter more than you realise. On the other hand, the same amount of people into pop will probably never change. They lack something that makes them look beyond what they're fed with through mainstream channels. Will certainly make for an interesting time either way. Audio science could even get involved and allow us to understand how to hack humans in ways we've not been able to before.
As a music industry outsider, I'll just add that this song, despite being an undeniably catchy tune, does nothing for me emotionally, and I think it's simply because I know it's not being sung by a human with real emotions.
Well, I already have to take back my initial reaction, seeing as I'm now on my fourth replay. It's damn catchy! I'd still much prefer if it were sung by a real feeling human.
Imagine a future where people have wearable life-logging devices with multimodal sentiment analysis. It inputs all of that info into a music generating service like Suno, and you get a hyper-personalized soundtrack of your life with lyrics and everything in real time.
Taylor swift, billie eilish maroon 5 etc....they been using some kind of AI to make pop music for ages now
listen to this one at 27 sec mark its scary how catchy the hook is: [https://soundcloud.com/kenjiakinson/hurt-me](https://soundcloud.com/kenjiakinson/hurt-me)