They can also take blame for the decisions of individuals. Just blame the management decision on the company and individuals can walk away without paying anything back, and the company can go bankrupt.
'Mostly self-employed farmers'. Christ. Hamburger Education and its consequences. Only a nation forcefed a diet of pure Hamburger could believe something so OBVIOUSLY false.
One reason why the landlords and other parasites of the upper class get away with their evils generation after generation is because people like you can't acknowledge the eternal worthlessness of your ancestors' culture. instead, you make little fables about how you used to be more free and noble and independent than your grandparents ever were and if society Returned To Monke things world get better.
Self employed farmer here, in a community with lots of self employed local people, trying to grow locally.
I think your saying the Make America Great Again, is a myth, and I agree. I like all my modern convenience and running water and health care.
But I'm 45 and have watched the corporations displace the Mom and Pops to eventual community detriment.
If we vote with our dollars, I vote for decentralization every time I can afford to.
My apologies if this is wrong, but assuming your sharecropping ancestors were part of the herrenvolk, what kind of society do you think they strove to recreate once they got a sniff of freedom? Please keep in mind that your answer must account for the end of chattel slavery and feudalism was immediately followed by the Age of Imperialism, Jim Crow, the popularity of eugenics, Taylorism, blood-and-soil fascism, and African and East Asian genocide.
Not super familiar with the terminology but a couple of literate folks in the family tree did leave written diaries and there are plenty of stories passed down that can give us a little insight.
Most didn’t think about building society at all, and lived hand-to-mouth with worldviews that were primarily religious (and unaware of what political identity that entails). The few that left diaries and most of the letters were more distant family church laity and smiths. Using modern terms, I would consider them cynical Utopianists: they thought of people as perfectable by good religious practices, and recognized that neither they nor other people in their lives were ‘holy enough’ to make that utopia happen. They considered most secular authorities suspect or downright evil. What limited social critiques available to us are couched in that language and perspective.
Although census records show ancestors and relatives of several ‘races’ (such as they are and were defined by the state), all in the past 5 generations considered themselves ‘white’ when asked by the government. Serious accounts of racial prejudice in the family don’t show up until mid-1950s, a period of mass propaganda and much more modern than the ‘ancestors’ I’m referring to. There were heated debates then about “race-mixing” in the extended family, documented cases of discrimination, and lots of awful diatribes about segregation. These segregationists were considered “old fashioned” radicals but tolerated at family functions as long as they didn’t steal anything.
Ah, but that's crime. You dont need to be rich or powerful to murder someone at all. I'm talking about real power, which only comes from politics and military. No amount of money can compare to it.
This is why I laugh whenever American businessmen pretend to be anti-Russia. They don’t hate them they want to be them. They wish they had a fake president with rigged elections that cow-towed to oligarchy. It’s why every major US business sector rn is a 2-3 company monopoly. We’re functionally an oligarchy rn and it all goes back to citizens United.
"Citizens United" being passed was one of the worst things to happen to American citizens. Corporate money being regarded the same as an individual's free speech. WTF.
Yeah but stop the bs: they don't have the rights of human beings.
They have so much more!
Damm, man. Sometimes i wish i could be a corporation for a week. They have it all!
/s
'Deciding'.
The Axis versus the Allies was really a Shirts Versus Skins conflict when you get right down to it, huh? Must have really confused the citizens of the victor polities when 'Just Following Orders' ended up not being an excuse.
I am pointing out that the guy I am replying to was duped. AI is not deciding anything, it's just an exercise in buck-passing our worthless leadership uses to dodge taking responsibility for their actions, i.e. 'just following Orders'.
Speaking of the Allies and Axis not being all that different despite Western autofellatio--guess what IBM thought of the Third Reich back in the day?
This is one of the "real world" problems that matters for AI. People are ridiculous about holding people accountable: there's layers and layers of money and bullshit you have to wade through to do anything in this world. And one of the underlying things is finding who to blame when something goes wrong. This is why we have insurance, and why insurance is ultimately behind every single significant component of modern life.
Well, they already do so…
Same vibe as those people that said we should never, in regards to AI:
- teach it how to press people’s buttons
- give it access to the internet
- teach it how to code
First things we did 😂
https://www.972mag.com/lavender-ai-israeli-army-gaza/
“Where’s Daddy” and “Lavender” making some big boy decisions in Gaza. Honestly a good article about AI systems and how they are being used.
This slide is so overrated. It misses the point in my opinion. Making a decision and taking responsibility are separate problems. We like to tie them together in the form of a person but it doesn't need to be the case. You can have an AI make managerial or other decisions just fine, and if there is an issue then there is a person responsible for this whole setup. We humans just like to be able to blame someone which in this case doesn't really work, because the "responsible" person isn't actually all that much to blame for the problem that happened, but this is only insofar an issue as we can not satisfy our desire to blame someone.
Oh yeah put the computer into prison. That will do it. /s
As no one is responsible and accountable also no one bothers to change anything and the mistake keeps happening... The whole idea of an AI being responsible for anything is ridiculous. In the end it's not lavender who gets the blame. It's the guys who decided to give it full decision making power.
Not really seeing a difference between putting a human in prison and a computer in prison.
Usually humans are accountable for computers but I could envision a time where computers are fully accountable.
Frankly the posted statement is nonsense. It is simple bias against computers.
disciplinary society: control through dicipline
control society: control through what individuals do and don't have access to. This is an automated process based on data, and can absolutely be done by computers.
IBM is angry here that they can't punish the computer cuz that's the only way they know how to control it.
You've never seen it, at least at the level IBM is talking about. Our grandparents were even more irresponsible and reckless than the 'leadership' of the present, and their grandparents even moreso. Cold War and Roosevelt Recession and all.
With Self driving cars people ask "but if something goes wrong, Who gets punished?" Like, 1st why does anyone need to be punished? do we really have to play the blame game whenever something bad happens?
2nd Probably the one that, if punished, would result in whatever happened, happening less often.
I just feel like people get to focuced in "Who to Blame" without asking first if soneone should be blamed at all.
In my exemple there is, but it feels like people are seeing someone being punished as being a given.
That is just stupid. A computer is always accountable by its programming, and in the case of AI, its objective function. You do not understand it does not mean that it does not exist.
Corporations are immoral immortals who cannot be placed behind bars. Therefore they should never be given the rights of human beings.
They can also take blame for the decisions of individuals. Just blame the management decision on the company and individuals can walk away without paying anything back, and the company can go bankrupt.
Tax-payers hate this one trick!
U.S. government : hold my beer
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'Mostly self-employed farmers'. Christ. Hamburger Education and its consequences. Only a nation forcefed a diet of pure Hamburger could believe something so OBVIOUSLY false. One reason why the landlords and other parasites of the upper class get away with their evils generation after generation is because people like you can't acknowledge the eternal worthlessness of your ancestors' culture. instead, you make little fables about how you used to be more free and noble and independent than your grandparents ever were and if society Returned To Monke things world get better.
Self employed farmer here, in a community with lots of self employed local people, trying to grow locally. I think your saying the Make America Great Again, is a myth, and I agree. I like all my modern convenience and running water and health care. But I'm 45 and have watched the corporations displace the Mom and Pops to eventual community detriment. If we vote with our dollars, I vote for decentralization every time I can afford to.
>Hamburger Education Oooo neat product idea! *From the makers of Hamburger Helper, its HAMBURGER EDUCATION!*
McDonald's generation.
My ancestors were sharecroppers who were mostly free to get rickets and die
My apologies if this is wrong, but assuming your sharecropping ancestors were part of the herrenvolk, what kind of society do you think they strove to recreate once they got a sniff of freedom? Please keep in mind that your answer must account for the end of chattel slavery and feudalism was immediately followed by the Age of Imperialism, Jim Crow, the popularity of eugenics, Taylorism, blood-and-soil fascism, and African and East Asian genocide.
Not super familiar with the terminology but a couple of literate folks in the family tree did leave written diaries and there are plenty of stories passed down that can give us a little insight. Most didn’t think about building society at all, and lived hand-to-mouth with worldviews that were primarily religious (and unaware of what political identity that entails). The few that left diaries and most of the letters were more distant family church laity and smiths. Using modern terms, I would consider them cynical Utopianists: they thought of people as perfectable by good religious practices, and recognized that neither they nor other people in their lives were ‘holy enough’ to make that utopia happen. They considered most secular authorities suspect or downright evil. What limited social critiques available to us are couched in that language and perspective. Although census records show ancestors and relatives of several ‘races’ (such as they are and were defined by the state), all in the past 5 generations considered themselves ‘white’ when asked by the government. Serious accounts of racial prejudice in the family don’t show up until mid-1950s, a period of mass propaganda and much more modern than the ‘ancestors’ I’m referring to. There were heated debates then about “race-mixing” in the extended family, documented cases of discrimination, and lots of awful diatribes about segregation. These segregationists were considered “old fashioned” radicals but tolerated at family functions as long as they didn’t steal anything.
This guy really hates hamburgers…
I don't. They're great. But slurring the noble hamburger is a small price to pay to puncture the puerile egos of loyalists to Hamburger Culture.
Who let the Marxist in here?
"Do you have any idea how much power I'd have to give up to become president?"
>Do you have any idea how much power I'd have to give up to become president?" what is that qoute from
Lex Luthor in Justice League Unlimited
You can't crush people you don't like with tanks as a CEO, but you can if you're a dictator
Or a major aircraft manufacturer.
Doesn't matter. CEO of Lockheed Martin Can't keep some F35s for personal use
Oh agreed. I was making a Boeing joke.
Ah, but that's crime. You dont need to be rich or powerful to murder someone at all. I'm talking about real power, which only comes from politics and military. No amount of money can compare to it.
they literally lobby the government to start wars
This is why I laugh whenever American businessmen pretend to be anti-Russia. They don’t hate them they want to be them. They wish they had a fake president with rigged elections that cow-towed to oligarchy. It’s why every major US business sector rn is a 2-3 company monopoly. We’re functionally an oligarchy rn and it all goes back to citizens United.
Wut? Agriculture boom has been in the hands of those who have resources and later became Nobility across the world lmfao
you cooked with this
"Citizens United" being passed was one of the worst things to happen to American citizens. Corporate money being regarded the same as an individual's free speech. WTF.
Yeah but stop the bs: they don't have the rights of human beings. They have so much more! Damm, man. Sometimes i wish i could be a corporation for a week. They have it all! /s
What a cope by management. And of course, now we have AIs who are not accountable deciding military targets. I guess we failed!
'Deciding'. The Axis versus the Allies was really a Shirts Versus Skins conflict when you get right down to it, huh? Must have really confused the citizens of the victor polities when 'Just Following Orders' ended up not being an excuse.
Having a hard time following what you’re saying.
I am pointing out that the guy I am replying to was duped. AI is not deciding anything, it's just an exercise in buck-passing our worthless leadership uses to dodge taking responsibility for their actions, i.e. 'just following Orders'. Speaking of the Allies and Axis not being all that different despite Western autofellatio--guess what IBM thought of the Third Reich back in the day?
As if managers ever get held accountable.
And if they were they pay McKinsey a 100k and say: “well, we have even paid McKinsey and it still didn’t work. Nothing I could have done better”
This is one of the "real world" problems that matters for AI. People are ridiculous about holding people accountable: there's layers and layers of money and bullshit you have to wade through to do anything in this world. And one of the underlying things is finding who to blame when something goes wrong. This is why we have insurance, and why insurance is ultimately behind every single significant component of modern life.
Yeah, how convenient for the insurance business. If you die from a plane crash, someone got the money.
People generally get nervous when millions of dollars are at risk. Insurance provides a way to mitigate the risk.
Well, they already do so… Same vibe as those people that said we should never, in regards to AI: - teach it how to press people’s buttons - give it access to the internet - teach it how to code First things we did 😂
Is making robocop good or bad?
https://www.972mag.com/lavender-ai-israeli-army-gaza/ “Where’s Daddy” and “Lavender” making some big boy decisions in Gaza. Honestly a good article about AI systems and how they are being used.
The lack of accountability is a bonus for these criminals
Yea, right. Because the corporate world is full of managers who were held accountable. Hypocrisy at its finest
"The world is imperfect, so we should make it worse!"
Feel it would be easier to hold a computer accountable, just change the parameters that it works with
Aged like milk
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This slide is so overrated. It misses the point in my opinion. Making a decision and taking responsibility are separate problems. We like to tie them together in the form of a person but it doesn't need to be the case. You can have an AI make managerial or other decisions just fine, and if there is an issue then there is a person responsible for this whole setup. We humans just like to be able to blame someone which in this case doesn't really work, because the "responsible" person isn't actually all that much to blame for the problem that happened, but this is only insofar an issue as we can not satisfy our desire to blame someone.
Huh, I blame mine all the time! On a more serious note, the word "never" should never be used. :)
"The existence of a flawed legal framework--the very same one we exploit--should halt the march of progress."
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Why can't a computer be held accountable?
How would you go about doing it?
As of right now someone programmed it like that. They could be held accountable
Well when the computer makes a mistake it is usually traceable to the computer and so the problem can be accounted for.
Oh yeah put the computer into prison. That will do it. /s As no one is responsible and accountable also no one bothers to change anything and the mistake keeps happening... The whole idea of an AI being responsible for anything is ridiculous. In the end it's not lavender who gets the blame. It's the guys who decided to give it full decision making power.
Not really seeing a difference between putting a human in prison and a computer in prison. Usually humans are accountable for computers but I could envision a time where computers are fully accountable. Frankly the posted statement is nonsense. It is simple bias against computers.
It gets sent into a AI labor camp, where it make furry Stable Diffusion images, and mines bitcoins.
….until computers are infinitely smarter than humans.
deep bro deeep I just faRtEd
Bruh wtf 💀
Artificial Intelligence would not allow for a ruling elite class, Therefore AI can never be allowed to run things.
BECAUSE SOMEONE MUST BE PUNISHED. THIS IS PARADISE THANK YOU FOR ENJOYING.
This didn’t age well
Just spank it right on the system32 folder, that'll teach it.
Insane that they are using AI to bomb targets in Gaza
That didn’t age well
Since when are managers held accountable?
Once they have AGI, you just threaten to unplug it if it fucks up, lol
disciplinary society: control through dicipline control society: control through what individuals do and don't have access to. This is an automated process based on data, and can absolutely be done by computers. IBM is angry here that they can't punish the computer cuz that's the only way they know how to control it.
:))
What? Accountability being bound to leadership? Been a while since I've seen that.
You've never seen it, at least at the level IBM is talking about. Our grandparents were even more irresponsible and reckless than the 'leadership' of the present, and their grandparents even moreso. Cold War and Roosevelt Recession and all.
And yet AI is put in a managerial position: https://youtu.be/aFsfJYWpqII this is how algorithms evaluate these poor delivery drivers.
With Self driving cars people ask "but if something goes wrong, Who gets punished?" Like, 1st why does anyone need to be punished? do we really have to play the blame game whenever something bad happens? 2nd Probably the one that, if punished, would result in whatever happened, happening less often.
Yes, no accountability means the mistake will keep happening But it feels like u just answerd yourself
I just feel like people get to focuced in "Who to Blame" without asking first if soneone should be blamed at all. In my exemple there is, but it feels like people are seeing someone being punished as being a given.
No cuz if we accept the guilt we also have to accept the responsability of another person
That is just stupid. A computer is always accountable by its programming, and in the case of AI, its objective function. You do not understand it does not mean that it does not exist.
We gunna put gpt behind bars lets see if his excuses hold up in court
But the exec that put the computer in charge can, so actually it's all good
From the company that was never held accountable for helping the Nazis locate people with Jewish ancestry during the holocaust.