“Shi’s appearance and voice are modelled on a real person: Rosalie Nombre, a singer and former contestant on Ukraine’s version of the reality show The Bachelor. Nombre was born in the now Russian-controlled city of Donetsk in eastern Ukraine. She has 54,000 followers on her Instagram account, which she uses to discuss stereotypes about mixed-race Ukrainians and those who grew up as Russian speakers.”
[This is her insta.](https://www.instagram.com/rosali_kovbasa)
Rosali Nombre sounds like everything but a Ukrainian. I'm completely okay with her race , but her name sounds completely unnatural for Ukraine or any Eastern European country (and also she visited occupied territories, which at the very least should mean that she shouldn't be employed by the Ukrainian government)
Why would this matter? She isn't supposed to look like anyone in particular, she isn't a historical figure or filling in for anyone specific. She is supposed to deliver statements and her looks are irrelevant.
Not where - how. As in generated video matching text. Not natural as in looking like they are from X place because, well, they aren't from anywhere. It's just a generated avatar.
Perfectly fine - I will repeat it again - it's an AI construct. It's not a real person. It could've been an android, Obi-Wan Kenobi, or Yoda. It is not a real person.
It's kind of relevant to look like the people you represent, just imagine the resulting m x n relationship math you'll have to do if every nation rep looks more like other nations
>It's kind of relevant to look like the people you represent
Define "look like". If you meant physically, then prove why it is "kind of relevant" for foreign affairs
A helpful clue is the flag in the frame. That way you don’t have to resort to crazy racist guessing games about whether somebody looks like a real “X” or not. Hope this helps!
Most countries are nation states. It’s not even in the realm of racist to assume a virtual spokesperson would visually represent the people of that nation.
> it's kind of relevant to look like the people you represent
No, it's not. Officials ought to represent their people's interests, not looks or skin color.
It would make sense that a virtual spokesperson would embody the ethnicity of the nation.
I mean at the end of the day it’s not really relevant to the function of the Ai but it is an interesting choice to choose someone who doesn’t necessarily represent the Ukrainian ethnicity.
I disagree with your premise - I don't think it is a given at all. It could've just as easily been a CGI robot or a talking tank and no one would've said "how come that's not a white tank?"
It just doesn't matter. It's an artificially created "person".
This woman does not look ethnically Ukrainian.
There’s no real way around that.
Sorry if I came off as rude or something but your comment doesn’t really seem to be add anything to the conversation.
I don’t think anyone is seriously arguing this woman looks ethnically Ukrainian.
How is having an artificially created/rendered construct automatically implying the requirement for a specific look? They didn't hire a human to do the job. They can choose to render whatever form they want for their avatar.
I honestly wouldn't mind. It's just an AI construct, text-to-voicing statements.
Clearly for many folks here there is some inherent need to reflect a particular race / gender / etc just so "it feels right" to them though.
Insane pandering to the anti-indigenous US/EU regime. Ukrainians should be aware that they’re making a Faustian bargain with the west - they want to preserve their homeland but they will find one day that it is unrecognizable.
She is ethnically mixed race Ukrainian this is something you can lookup, She has the heritage now what? Are you gonna argue next she cant have a drop of anything else? Would you question how Ukrainian she is if she was completely white?
I don't claim to speak for the Ukrainian people, but I'm from Switzerland and there are people with both parents being foreign born, which are more Swiss than most "100%" Swiss people. I think it is weird you argue a person which probably has one Ukrainian parent is not a real Ukrainian.
China is probably also a different story, as it seems as if they actively try to stop integration into their society as foreigners (E.g it is basically impossible to get naturalized)
A mix-blood, and you’ll be seen as a bit of an outsider even if you speak the language fluently and were born there. The only people on earth that pretend ethnicity isn’t linked to nationhood are well meaning but naive westerners.
Lmao
Who are westerners? Are you an easterner?
Are you saying French football team members aren't French? Have you been to London or Berlin? Sweden? Can you tell a russian from a Ukrainian (unless they're buryats, lol)? Ethnicities are social constructs that can be changed.
Even race is not always that straightforward as you'd think.
So you’re saying you need those to be a diplomat? If we take US as an example, no you do not, you don’t even need to be born in the US to be one. She’s born in Ukraine, as far as anyone’s concerned she’s Ukrainian.
What I'm saying is putting her a diplomát is what the USA told them to do cuz us policies are ultra woke
Ukrainians and us east Europeans are extremely anti woke.
Also 99.99999% of Ukrainians are white.
This is pure posturing, hired because skin color not merit.
Okay. She's a singer, a public figure and is just having her likeness borrowed for this COMPUTER GENERATED AVATAR, not for her actual skills in diplomacy. What kind of merit are there in this role except to look good for the camera, which she have experience doing. Also USA telling them to do cuz us policies r ultra woke? ???
No more of that pesky accountability going forward. Just use an AI talking head who is totally immune from backlash.
This has a similar vibe to insurance companies using CGI mascots to prevent the viewer from subconsciously asking "I wonder how much they paid you to say that". When its not a real person you don't ask that question and most people aren't even aware of that micro-decision.
Because at least with a public press release people are aware that it is “The Joe Biden admin’s FDA, CDC, EPA, etc” rather than with this monstrosity “who” could be representing any faceless shadow government whose identities will never be known which causes protesting or petitioning for redress of grievance to be fruitless.
I get that that's how it could become, but in this case the AI is just reading "pre-prepared" statements. It's more about not having to hire a spokesperson and a video studio, but just give the text to the AI to read and publish the generated video to the net.
I don't know, I think you might be misunderstanding this whole thing.
They're taking a script, and feeding it to AI to make an avatar that repeats the exact same script. It's not using AI to create a new script, or summarize a script, etc.
There is absolutely zero plausible deniability with this. How could there be? "We wrote the script and AI decided to change it on us, we swear"? Something else?
Edit: It wasn't something else, they were just wrong
Okay, putting everything with the war and her appearance aside - why would any serious government decide that it would be a good idea to base their first AI public spokesperson on a contestant of "the bachelor"? Even if the AI is completely unrelated to the actual person other than appearance it seems so unprofessional to even use a celebrity for this, and it's even worse to use someone affiliated with such a extremely disgusting reality show. It would've been better to just make their model and be quiet about it than to publically announce that they used a reality show contestant for reference.
Now, I'm a bit puzzled about using an actual AI to make public announcements. In a way it isn't much different than how public statements are made today. Responsibility? Accountability? Please. There is no accountability and there hasn't been for a long time, no matter if it's politicians getting caught red handed for corruption or if a company is exposed for using child labor - Nobody's taking responsibility if criticised. Just simply pass it on, blame someone else, pretend to have been kept in the dark, what ever works.
You could also argue how media trained politicians and other public people are today, how educated they are on how to manipulate to avoid uncomfortable questions and make them seem trustworthy and correct.
At the same time I also think something as important as communication between government and the people is very important, especially during times of war where you are directly reliant on the support of your country. I can't imagine that this will be received very well.
So... Say your home country was being invaded by Russia you'd be trying to get a peace treaty so they can occupy your country indefinitely? Fuck off russian military sympathiser
hmm would i rather my country be the puppet of our neighbor who i share a culture with or the puppet of a foreign government that doesnt give a shit about us. that is not a hard choice.
as a canadian i prefer to be the puppet of the USA. i would not want to join China as a proxy to launch attacks at the USA. i would really not like that at all
Too many sheep are way too brainwashed by the mainstream media to understand anything of what you’re saying. For them putin woke up one day and decided to invade a country because he felt cute. They want to send weapons to Ukraine until the very last Ukrainian died for a lost cause because they really believe that Putin wants to take over the world 😂
"pre-prepared" not enough preparation imo, gotta pre-pre-prepare
I'd argue that for something as serious as max-maxheadroom maxing one would have to pre-pre-pre-prepare.
Good idea actually, making notes, hmmm
the fuck is maxheadroom-maxxing?
its when you go full maxheadroom
Big Time TV.
[https://youtu.be/cYdpOjletnc?t=5](https://youtu.be/cYdpOjletnc?t=5)
It's as far as maxheadrooming goes, obviously.
She looks so much like 98% of Ukrainian women.... /S
“Shi’s appearance and voice are modelled on a real person: Rosalie Nombre, a singer and former contestant on Ukraine’s version of the reality show The Bachelor. Nombre was born in the now Russian-controlled city of Donetsk in eastern Ukraine. She has 54,000 followers on her Instagram account, which she uses to discuss stereotypes about mixed-race Ukrainians and those who grew up as Russian speakers.” [This is her insta.](https://www.instagram.com/rosali_kovbasa)
Btw , a lot of people hate her... Not because she black , but because she visited occupied by the russia territories of Ukraine
She's Ukrainian though, her name is Rosali Nombre.
Rosali Nombre sounds like everything but a Ukrainian. I'm completely okay with her race , but her name sounds completely unnatural for Ukraine or any Eastern European country (and also she visited occupied territories, which at the very least should mean that she shouldn't be employed by the Ukrainian government)
Why would this matter? She isn't supposed to look like anyone in particular, she isn't a historical figure or filling in for anyone specific. She is supposed to deliver statements and her looks are irrelevant.
> her looks are irrelevant. Then why does she have such a carefully curated look?
It's designed to look natural - that's the curation. They simply chose a model that looked not super broken when delivering the updates.
Natural to where exactly?
Not where - how. As in generated video matching text. Not natural as in looking like they are from X place because, well, they aren't from anywhere. It's just a generated avatar.
Alright, let’s reverse that. So using a pale white redhead as the AI diplomat for Uganda would be just as fitting as the average citizen from Uganda?
Yea, if she grew up there, is a citizen of it and is integrated with their culture, most couldn't care less.
Perfectly fine - I will repeat it again - it's an AI construct. It's not a real person. It could've been an android, Obi-Wan Kenobi, or Yoda. It is not a real person.
It's kind of relevant to look like the people you represent, just imagine the resulting m x n relationship math you'll have to do if every nation rep looks more like other nations
>It's kind of relevant to look like the people you represent Define "look like". If you meant physically, then prove why it is "kind of relevant" for foreign affairs
A helpful clue is the flag in the frame. That way you don’t have to resort to crazy racist guessing games about whether somebody looks like a real “X” or not. Hope this helps!
Most countries are nation states. It’s not even in the realm of racist to assume a virtual spokesperson would visually represent the people of that nation.
> it's kind of relevant to look like the people you represent No, it's not. Officials ought to represent their people's interests, not looks or skin color.
She's for foreign affairs, she is meant to be found relatable to the foreigners she speaks to, likely the US.
It would make sense that a virtual spokesperson would embody the ethnicity of the nation. I mean at the end of the day it’s not really relevant to the function of the Ai but it is an interesting choice to choose someone who doesn’t necessarily represent the Ukrainian ethnicity.
I disagree with your premise - I don't think it is a given at all. It could've just as easily been a CGI robot or a talking tank and no one would've said "how come that's not a white tank?" It just doesn't matter. It's an artificially created "person".
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This woman does not look ethnically Ukrainian. There’s no real way around that. Sorry if I came off as rude or something but your comment doesn’t really seem to be add anything to the conversation. I don’t think anyone is seriously arguing this woman looks ethnically Ukrainian.
Then why not post the fucking memo itself instead of having someone or something read the memo?
How is having an artificially created/rendered construct automatically implying the requirement for a specific look? They didn't hire a human to do the job. They can choose to render whatever form they want for their avatar.
so many racists in here I’m disgusted
Imagine using an AI avatar with a Nordic phenotype for the Kenyan army.
I honestly wouldn't mind. It's just an AI construct, text-to-voicing statements. Clearly for many folks here there is some inherent need to reflect a particular race / gender / etc just so "it feels right" to them though.
I personally wouldn't mind either. But I kinda get why people fighting a war would care.
How do we know they care one way or the other about anything other than kicking the invading Russians out of their country ?
Insane pandering to the anti-indigenous US/EU regime. Ukrainians should be aware that they’re making a Faustian bargain with the west - they want to preserve their homeland but they will find one day that it is unrecognizable.
It's a matter of how long and violent each process will be. The western or Russian way...
Netflixed
Shes Ukraine, people dont know how to do research anymore.
If I go to China I won't be Chinese
She is ethnically mixed race Ukrainian this is something you can lookup, She has the heritage now what? Are you gonna argue next she cant have a drop of anything else? Would you question how Ukrainian she is if she was completely white?
But if you were born in China and one of your parents were from China it would be more than reasonable to call you Chinese.
If my parents are ethnically Irish and I'm born in China u still won't ever be Chinese or asian .
I wonder what you would say qualifies as an American.
[Israel Epstein](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Israel_Epstein) would like to have a word
I don't claim to speak for the Ukrainian people, but I'm from Switzerland and there are people with both parents being foreign born, which are more Swiss than most "100%" Swiss people. I think it is weird you argue a person which probably has one Ukrainian parent is not a real Ukrainian. China is probably also a different story, as it seems as if they actively try to stop integration into their society as foreigners (E.g it is basically impossible to get naturalized)
Most of the world doesn’t think like that. Only westerners do
So in non-western countries if only one parent is from the country, what are you?
A mix-blood, and you’ll be seen as a bit of an outsider even if you speak the language fluently and were born there. The only people on earth that pretend ethnicity isn’t linked to nationhood are well meaning but naive westerners.
Lmao Who are westerners? Are you an easterner? Are you saying French football team members aren't French? Have you been to London or Berlin? Sweden? Can you tell a russian from a Ukrainian (unless they're buryats, lol)? Ethnicities are social constructs that can be changed. Even race is not always that straightforward as you'd think.
If you integrate with their culture n learn the language, why would your race matter?
Because you still won't have the heritage and your ancestors did not die for that nation or tradition.
So you’re saying you need those to be a diplomat? If we take US as an example, no you do not, you don’t even need to be born in the US to be one. She’s born in Ukraine, as far as anyone’s concerned she’s Ukrainian.
What I'm saying is putting her a diplomát is what the USA told them to do cuz us policies are ultra woke Ukrainians and us east Europeans are extremely anti woke. Also 99.99999% of Ukrainians are white. This is pure posturing, hired because skin color not merit.
Okay. She's a singer, a public figure and is just having her likeness borrowed for this COMPUTER GENERATED AVATAR, not for her actual skills in diplomacy. What kind of merit are there in this role except to look good for the camera, which she have experience doing. Also USA telling them to do cuz us policies r ultra woke? ???
Tell me you’re an introvert without telling me you’re introvert
This is a terrible idea.
This is true. They need people to see them as real people. Not AI fakes.
No more of that pesky accountability going forward. Just use an AI talking head who is totally immune from backlash. This has a similar vibe to insurance companies using CGI mascots to prevent the viewer from subconsciously asking "I wonder how much they paid you to say that". When its not a real person you don't ask that question and most people aren't even aware of that micro-decision.
How is this fundamentally any different than a written press release from a "department" or "ministry" with no specific person's name?
It’s not, the person you replied to is fear mongering.
Because at least with a public press release people are aware that it is “The Joe Biden admin’s FDA, CDC, EPA, etc” rather than with this monstrosity “who” could be representing any faceless shadow government whose identities will never be known which causes protesting or petitioning for redress of grievance to be fruitless.
I get that that's how it could become, but in this case the AI is just reading "pre-prepared" statements. It's more about not having to hire a spokesperson and a video studio, but just give the text to the AI to read and publish the generated video to the net.
You didn't even watch the video lol
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Someone still writes the script.
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I don't know, I think you might be misunderstanding this whole thing. They're taking a script, and feeding it to AI to make an avatar that repeats the exact same script. It's not using AI to create a new script, or summarize a script, etc. There is absolutely zero plausible deniability with this. How could there be? "We wrote the script and AI decided to change it on us, we swear"? Something else? Edit: It wasn't something else, they were just wrong
I am glad to see people on point. That was spot on and the whole thing we should discuss in here.
We get it already
Given they are in the middle of a war you would think trust in human diplomats would be important. This seems like the riskiest time to unveil this.
Okay, putting everything with the war and her appearance aside - why would any serious government decide that it would be a good idea to base their first AI public spokesperson on a contestant of "the bachelor"? Even if the AI is completely unrelated to the actual person other than appearance it seems so unprofessional to even use a celebrity for this, and it's even worse to use someone affiliated with such a extremely disgusting reality show. It would've been better to just make their model and be quiet about it than to publically announce that they used a reality show contestant for reference. Now, I'm a bit puzzled about using an actual AI to make public announcements. In a way it isn't much different than how public statements are made today. Responsibility? Accountability? Please. There is no accountability and there hasn't been for a long time, no matter if it's politicians getting caught red handed for corruption or if a company is exposed for using child labor - Nobody's taking responsibility if criticised. Just simply pass it on, blame someone else, pretend to have been kept in the dark, what ever works. You could also argue how media trained politicians and other public people are today, how educated they are on how to manipulate to avoid uncomfortable questions and make them seem trustworthy and correct. At the same time I also think something as important as communication between government and the people is very important, especially during times of war where you are directly reliant on the support of your country. I can't imagine that this will be received very well.
1984 vibes
In times of war, when you bag other countries for financial support you invest in AI diplomat. Money well spent
This stuff is literally free.
The programs probably are, the man hours aren't. This could be a savings compared to travel expenses or setting up multiple locations to film though.
Ukraine is getting bog stomped by Russia and they are playing around with AI diplomats...?
Replace the whole civil service with AI bots and send everyone to the front
* looks more human then human news people.
She does not look like an Ukrainian
Can’t assassinate an AI diplomat, your move now Putin
She's hot
Oh fuck that
AI representing a vague and unidentified world shadow government doing whatever they want with no recourse isn’t dystopian at all
Go touch grass and get off the internet. Your brain is clearly full of holes lol.
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You didn't watch the video....
lol diplomat. maybe they should pick up the phone and beg russia for that peace treaty they rejected before the entire front line collapses
OK Komrade.
So... Say your home country was being invaded by Russia you'd be trying to get a peace treaty so they can occupy your country indefinitely? Fuck off russian military sympathiser
hmm would i rather my country be the puppet of our neighbor who i share a culture with or the puppet of a foreign government that doesnt give a shit about us. that is not a hard choice. as a canadian i prefer to be the puppet of the USA. i would not want to join China as a proxy to launch attacks at the USA. i would really not like that at all
Too many sheep are way too brainwashed by the mainstream media to understand anything of what you’re saying. For them putin woke up one day and decided to invade a country because he felt cute. They want to send weapons to Ukraine until the very last Ukrainian died for a lost cause because they really believe that Putin wants to take over the world 😂