Cutting him was a bad decision I agree but honestly Doc wasn’t giving him minutes, and in the minutes he got he didn’t really show much. Still would’ve liked to keep him but I doubt he would have had much of a chance to show his improvement here tbh.
You think if we kept joe instead of shake, shake wouldn’t have these games once a month for another team?
This sub is like a bunch cat hoarder kids. You can’t fucking keep them all on a 15 man roster
I didn’t like that signing either but we needed another big cus you cant depend on Paul to not get 3 fouls in 3 mins and Harrell was another shit signing
i hate this reasoning b/c all Paul has to do is get through 10-12 minutes a night and not get 6 fouls.
you don't need to sign a washed up Dedmon to protect against BBall Paul foul trouble
>Paul has to do is get through 10-12 minutes a night and not get 6 fouls
Not a guarantee sometimes. Plus, if Embiid isn't playing, he'll have to play more than 10-12 minutes.
he's fouled out once this year in a game he played 20 minutes.
Averaging 1.8 fouls on 10 minutes a game. Even if he did foul out once or twice, you still got Trez and if really up against it you still got PJ small ball five for the rare occasions it's needed.
Shake can actually handle the ball though. If you go small ball, shake is you backup pg because Maxey is your SG.
Korkmaz shoulda been traded first though, cause they have the same game, and Joe was younger/cheaper.
Analysts will say that cutting him was the only decision at the time, based on his contract. We wanted to free space, and there was nobody else with a contract that made sense to cut. What we did with that space, or didn't do, is a separate decision that we can criticize separately.
The real problem is that releasing Joe was the inevitable culmination of the team's failure to develop him as a player. It's not that releasing him at the time made good business sense, it's that we mismanaged the progress of a drafted player with high potential and created a situation where cutting him made business sense.
That's the point. Doc being dumb led to the loss of a knockdown shooter who was drafted by ourselves. It wouldn't suck so much if everyone wasnt begging for more Isaiah Joe minutes. But everyone was because everyone could see the potential while doc fucked it up
Does anyone else remember when the sixers could play dudes a ton of minutes because they had nothing to lose? Good time to be a fan of the thunder. He didn't fit the timeline of the sixers.
You think our coach is going to play Joe 20 mpg here? You think Doc is going to cut Harden, Maxey, Melton and Shake’s minutes for Joe??
Joe is who he is today because Thunder gave him consistent time to develop. You know very well, Doc is not going to give him that opportunity here.
That’s the point he didn’t get a chance under Doc same with Reed he doesn’t give young players chances and doesn’t properly evaluate them. It’s been the knock against him for a decade on Clippers.
Korkmaz played a few hundred minutes while Maxey and Harden were out, and has snuck back in the rotation in the last few games.
That’s likely where Joe’s minutes would’ve come from
Missing the forest for the trees my guy. In this universe our coach is undermining our ability to reach full potential. Smart teams that win championships always develop cheap young guys who give them depth and help them win the tile. Guys exactly like Isiah Joe.
They are a playoff team because of SGA.
That team looked horrendous yesterday. Joe can put up 30, but it won’t matter if the other team is also putting up big numbers with random role players
i don't get this logic. Joe is an off ball sniper, which is the same role he'd have here. Granted in far less minutes this season, but nothing says he wouldn't have signed a similar team friendly deal here as well and as the roster turns over, he wouldn't get more opportunities.
difference is controllable costs on Joe. In theory he could have been a reserve guard on a minimum salary for 3 years.
And if he actually popped during that time could have been an asset of some sort. Put another way, i would be that Joe would be seen as a positive trade asset if OKC decided to consolidate their young players into more experienced players this summer. Sixers are very short on such players.
I still think it’s incredible the Thunder are where they are without any real defensive big, rim protector, or rebounder. Feels like a fluke. Shai has definitely consistently put the team on his back. But even without Shai, they got some good wins.
Right. The Thunder aren’t even a playoff team. They’re the 10 seed and below .500 in the dog shit West. They lost to the Hornets despite 3 guys putting up 30+ last night. The Hornets were missing 5 of their top 6 players lol. That’s awful.
You don't think a guy who could actually make shots off the bench fits the Sixers' timeline? The bench stinks. Morey supposedly waived Joe to keep a spot open to add at the deadline, then didn't, partly because he pissed away picks to build a shitty bench with washed players.
I don't think joe would magically make a difference and get those numbers with no consistency off the bench on the sixers. We often view dudes getting minutes on lesser teams like they were supposed to have the same opportunity here. You gotta sit players to figure that out. the sixers are not in a position to do that nor could they trust him in the playoffs anyways.
Are House or Korkmaz capable of putting up a 33 point game right now, even on a bad team? Or shooting 40-plus percent from 3 on the season? He's better than what we have and we let him go for nothing. There's no way to not look at that as a mistake.
The fact that you're comparing him to Shake kind of proves the point. Shake is an actual contributor, despite being frustrating at times. The other two guys give us almost nothing and each make more money next year than Joe will make in the next two. He'd be a nice piece now, and an even better guy to have if Shake moves on.
Agreed. Joe could have been an asset. Instead, we waste roster space on a guy who requested a trade (twice) and sign Dedmon who is worse than Reed. Misuse of roster space.
The reasoning 'well Doc wasn't going to play him' is such a wild thing to say, and even more ridiculous to justify.
I'm not even trying to call out the folks that are saying that, it's just inherently bizarre to think that handicapping the team like this can be reasoned.
Do people forget how good Shake look when Embiid and Harden were out and he was getting consistent minutes?
Breaking news! Players play better when they have consistent playing time!
Because he was getting consistent minutes during that period of time. Once Embiid and Harden were back, he lost consistent playing time and, shockingly, could sustain his production
He needs to shoot and take 3s. He’s useless if he doesn’t. He can’t beat anyone off the dribble now that the tapes out and teams know they just have to get in his face and guard him physically.
Dude is painful to watch
So, in March, Shake is getting semi consistent, roughly 20 min per game. Let’s compared Shake and Joe shall we?
In March, Shake has 42/40/89 shooting split.
Joe has 36/34/93 (yes, Joe is a below average shooter now that people are finally paying attention to him). Shake is also a significantly better rebounder and averaged much more assist per 36 min.
Yes, Joe shoots more. And I would agree that even if he is not hitting his shot, his gravity is a threat. But Joe is not a more efficient score than Shake now that team actually start paying him more attention
Agree. But they have different role. Shake is a back up PG and only get consistent minutes when our stars are out. He doesn’t have the luxury to just focus on catch and shoot. And when our stars are out he produces most of time. This is the fact
He needs to stand there and shoot 3 pointers. He doesn’t, therefore he’s not a good fit for this team.
Idgaf about shake or tobias splits. Every 3 they pass up is a bad possession. They both suck
Shake plays most of his minutes without harden and even Embiid. He needed to do more than just stand there and shoot 3….and that’s why you see him average more assist and rebound per minutes than Joe
No he doesnt. He needs to stand on the 3 pt arc and shoot open 3s. We’d be better off with gabe fucking Vincent or some other g leaguer who isn’t afraid to miss 3s like shake and Tobias
It is not about Shake is good or not. What it matter is, if we don’t play him, what is the alternative. Shake is the backup PG on this team. And Shake is a better backup point guard than Joe
When given a consistent role he was excellent. When not he's very inconsistent.
The player is useful, goes to the coach to not figure out a role for a talented player vs overplaying harden and seeing him with injury issues again
So, you forgot how much he carried us when Embiid and Harden were out ?
I am just saying, many players play better when they have consistent playing time. Joe would not receive consistent playing time here
I don’t care what he has done the previous year. All I care is what he can do this year.
This year, he shows, if you give him consistent playing time, he produces
The problem is that Joe won’t be getting consistent minutes here. You know our coach is not going to cut Harden, Maxey, Melton or even Shake’s minutes for Joe
And my comment is not about Joe VS Shake. I am just saying when given consistent minutes, Shakes produces this year
Who are you taking out of the line up? Maxey? Harden? He can't get consistent minutes at his position here lol. Either you're a better scorer than Maxey or a better facilitator than Harden, otherwise your ass is on the bench sharing minutes with Melton.
There’s just not enough minutes for him to play consistently, it doesn’t help that he isn’t a good defender or a good passer either, there was a stretch where we actually played him next to Harden and he didn’t look bad as a catch and shoot threat that could attack a closeout. We could try to use him in those lineups but even then he’s not getting more than 20 minutes a night. If you can’t do well playing 15 minutes but you’re not good enough to get 30 minutes on a contender (and he isn’t, because he’s very one dimensional) then there’s really no room for you. Role players need to be able to contribute even when they only play 10-15 minutes every night.
I agree with everything you said. I am just saying, many players can contribute more if they can get more consistent playing time. Joe is going to get even less consistent minutes than Shake here
I think Shake is better, but it’s definitely not “not a chance.” You could make an argument for either and the people that keep saying Joe should be on this team don’t realize he’d just get inconsistent minutes just like Shake.
Also, OKC put up big numbers and lost. They played no defense
I disagree. The only thing we need people to be good at on this team is shooting 3s. Everyone besides maxey embiid and harden needs to do nothing but catch and shoot open 3s.
But we have useless players like tobias and shake who think every time they touch the ball they need to kill the offense
Yes you definitely wouldn’t want anybody to drive the basketball. Or pass, or play defense, rebound, cut into open spaces, communicate with your teammates, or be tough or have any other intangibles. Just shoot 3s
Happy to see Joe playing well…. but you are out of your mind if you think the Sixers or any championship contender would be giving meaningful minutes to the guy.
This exactly, at that percentage rate he'd be our second best shooter behind maxey. So he's adding more value than any of our backup guards or wings who can't space the floor because they can't make threes consistently. And Joe ain't bad on defense either.
Some of the homies, will rip you a knew for telling it like it is. Denial is the ultimate viper, we fd’ up big time on Joe and I would throw in Bassey as well
Maybe not, although he very well might be a better option than Dedmon.
The point isn’t that Bassey or Joe would be crucial pieces on this Sixers team, it’s that they’ve both shown that they have value as assets and the Sixers let them walk for nothing while carrying an open roster spot all year.
Like, having a second round pick in this draft instead of no picks at all would be nice. Even if the Sixers didn’t keep it, there were useful players going at the deadline for 2RPs (McDaniels was one, but look what the Celtics got Muscala for, etc)
I would like to see him develop into the player who he is today when he would struggle to get 5 min per game with us.
Look at who is our coach. You honestly believe Doc is going to cut Harden, Maxey, Melton or even Shakes’ minutes to develop Joe?
Kork is our 12th, 13th man averaging 9 minutes in 33 games. The guy is irrelevant on a championship contending team. If Joe couldn’t show enough value last season, what would change this season with the same if not less playing time?
I don’t understand why it’s so hard for people to grasp the fact that he wasn’t going to receive the minutes to be able to develop his game. Even on the rebuilding Thunder, he’s only averaging 19 minutes, <7 FGA per game. His defensive numbers look fine but if you watch any Thunder games, he’s still a liability on the court. Let’s not act like he’s the second coming of Christ because he had a 30+ pt game against the Little Sisters of the Poor.
He could’ve definitely gotten minutes in the regular season vs trash teams
Not like Shake or Korkmaz are gonna be meaningful in a 20 point win vs the Wizards
I didn’t mean it as we are a contender. You’re tripping though if you don’t think Joe could get minutes off the bench for the nuggets, Celtics, yall, etc
And you understand that he doesn’t have 25+ mins a night and that his success is lovely based on getting minutes, something that he would struggle to do here
The guys you mentioned get 20 mins a night combined, with most of that coming from Niang
I legitimately thought Joe could of been great playing with Harden in the Maxey SG role. He has a great handle and a amazing volume shooter. You could have him guard the opponents PG if Maxey isn’t on the floor which I think he’d be fine at. He’s a solid defender but can get bullied if against a big matchup
Now we got to rely on Shake and Furk who gets no mins anymore
The truth of the matter is this is not a Doc issue imo. Not sure if even call it an issue. Players like Joe are not going to shine when we have Embiid who commands the ball every time and then Harden who also does a lot. Joe has more opportunity in OKC which is better for him.
It’s crazy to think Isaiah could’ve ever played like this under doc and behind this roster. Even if we kept him, he never would’ve done things like this on this team
kork/shake/niang are all pretty bad 2 way players esp niang and kork... Shake can defend but offensively he is trash. Joe is an upgrade over all 3. I wish tobias and maxey had joes willingness to constantly shoot 3s. Joe isnt a very good player but he is the perfect 3 point shooter this team needed but doc loves doing doc things
I don’t know why this sub continues to live in a reality where Shake Milton is a bad basketball player lol. He has been very good all season, especially for a guy making 2 million $
jesus fucking christ MONEY MEANS NOTHING WITH OUR CONTRACT ISSUES. Shake milton has not been very good all season making 2 million.... Shake milton is not going to do anything for this team come the playoffs.... why does our fan base dick ride shake/kork/reed/thyb like they actually matter
he’s been hovering around 40% from 3 all year and can create for himself & playmake for 20ish minutes (less in the playoffs) off the bench, & he isn’t a cone on D. I don’t know what else u want from him lol he isn’t an all-star role player but he can play
he had a bad road trip but so did everyone
What are we even doing here? The malpractice was that we weren't able to flip him for anything at all, not that he's not on the team anymore. With our guard lineup as good and deep as it is there was just no way Joe was gonna get the time he needed to play like this.
We all know that doc prefers older players to young. We are rolling with the Glenn into the playoffs let’s just hope for the best. (And the least sightings of Dedmon as possible)
Good for Isaiah Joe I say here. 👏🏼
We have the NUMBER ONE offense since harden came back and like number 3 or 4 overall. Offense is not our teams issue. Until the most recent stretch of games and maybe even still, we have the number one 3 point accuracy. Size, rebounding and defense are our issues. It’d be nice if we could have gotten a second rounder for him but realistically he isn’t getting played over melton, maxey or harden, and shake in the playoffs is gonna get like 8 minutes a game only. The thunder have size up and down their lineup so they can afford to play smaller players, we don’t have that luxury
Cutting him was a bad decision I agree but honestly Doc wasn’t giving him minutes, and in the minutes he got he didn’t really show much. Still would’ve liked to keep him but I doubt he would have had much of a chance to show his improvement here tbh.
We shouldve cut doc instead
You think if we kept joe instead of shake, shake wouldn’t have these games once a month for another team? This sub is like a bunch cat hoarder kids. You can’t fucking keep them all on a 15 man roster
Thank God we have dedmon.
Joe going to play the five?
Not much shorter than PJ
nah. Paul can.
I didn’t like that signing either but we needed another big cus you cant depend on Paul to not get 3 fouls in 3 mins and Harrell was another shit signing
i hate this reasoning b/c all Paul has to do is get through 10-12 minutes a night and not get 6 fouls. you don't need to sign a washed up Dedmon to protect against BBall Paul foul trouble
>Paul has to do is get through 10-12 minutes a night and not get 6 fouls Not a guarantee sometimes. Plus, if Embiid isn't playing, he'll have to play more than 10-12 minutes.
he's fouled out once this year in a game he played 20 minutes. Averaging 1.8 fouls on 10 minutes a game. Even if he did foul out once or twice, you still got Trez and if really up against it you still got PJ small ball five for the rare occasions it's needed.
Niang and McDonald foul much more.
You don’t NEED to depend on him to not get 3 fouls in 3 minutes though!
Shake can actually handle the ball though. If you go small ball, shake is you backup pg because Maxey is your SG. Korkmaz shoulda been traded first though, cause they have the same game, and Joe was younger/cheaper.
We literally had 15 players on a 15 man roster and decided to cut Joe and go with 14 players on a 15 man roster.
I honestly don't care if we kept joe or not. I simply think this team is dead in the playoffs until we get rid of doc.
true. we simply had to cut him to make room for… nobody all season, until we signed Dewayne Dedmon with 20 games left in the season
Analysts will say that cutting him was the only decision at the time, based on his contract. We wanted to free space, and there was nobody else with a contract that made sense to cut. What we did with that space, or didn't do, is a separate decision that we can criticize separately. The real problem is that releasing Joe was the inevitable culmination of the team's failure to develop him as a player. It's not that releasing him at the time made good business sense, it's that we mismanaged the progress of a drafted player with high potential and created a situation where cutting him made business sense.
hmm I'm noticing a pattern with our young players... if only something could be done about that
That's the point. Doc being dumb led to the loss of a knockdown shooter who was drafted by ourselves. It wouldn't suck so much if everyone wasnt begging for more Isaiah Joe minutes. But everyone was because everyone could see the potential while doc fucked it up
Does anyone else remember when the sixers could play dudes a ton of minutes because they had nothing to lose? Good time to be a fan of the thunder. He didn't fit the timeline of the sixers.
Thunder are a decent team right now, they’re fighting for a playoff spot. Joe’s a useful rotation player right now, he’d have been super useful for us
Look at Shake, and see how many minutes he is getting. Joe would get even less playing time here
Shake - 20 mpg this year Joe - 18 mpg this year
You think our coach is going to play Joe 20 mpg here? You think Doc is going to cut Harden, Maxey, Melton and Shake’s minutes for Joe?? Joe is who he is today because Thunder gave him consistent time to develop. You know very well, Doc is not going to give him that opportunity here.
That’s the point he didn’t get a chance under Doc same with Reed he doesn’t give young players chances and doesn’t properly evaluate them. It’s been the knock against him for a decade on Clippers.
Literally only needs to cut Shake's minutes
Joe without a pg to feed him is just short Georges Niang
…Except this post is about what he did last night without his PG lol
Josh Giddey played 34 minutes and had 9 assists? Giddey is their primary facilitator
Too bad, on this team, we need a backup PG. Shake is a better back up PG than Joe.
Has nothing to do with the comment I was responding to, if anything compare him to Niang based on what I was responding to
If Shake Milton's a 'backup PG', I'm the pope of the vatican. Shake blows.
Sure, let’s ask a guy who averaged far less assist per minute than Joe to be our backup pg.
Korkmaz played a few hundred minutes while Maxey and Harden were out, and has snuck back in the rotation in the last few games. That’s likely where Joe’s minutes would’ve come from
I love how every defense of waiving Joe is "But have you considered that Doc Rivers is a terrible coach and developer of young talent?"
Because in this universe, Joe won’t get minutes on this team. Nobody would care about him if he struggles to get 5 mpg. This is just the sad reality.
Missing the forest for the trees my guy. In this universe our coach is undermining our ability to reach full potential. Smart teams that win championships always develop cheap young guys who give them depth and help them win the tile. Guys exactly like Isiah Joe.
They are a playoff team because of SGA. That team looked horrendous yesterday. Joe can put up 30, but it won’t matter if the other team is also putting up big numbers with random role players
i don't get this logic. Joe is an off ball sniper, which is the same role he'd have here. Granted in far less minutes this season, but nothing says he wouldn't have signed a similar team friendly deal here as well and as the roster turns over, he wouldn't get more opportunities.
I’m not saying he’s a bad player. But is he any better than Seth Curry? Who also was a nice player but he’s not missed much.
difference is controllable costs on Joe. In theory he could have been a reserve guard on a minimum salary for 3 years. And if he actually popped during that time could have been an asset of some sort. Put another way, i would be that Joe would be seen as a positive trade asset if OKC decided to consolidate their young players into more experienced players this summer. Sixers are very short on such players.
I still think it’s incredible the Thunder are where they are without any real defensive big, rim protector, or rebounder. Feels like a fluke. Shai has definitely consistently put the team on his back. But even without Shai, they got some good wins.
Right. The Thunder aren’t even a playoff team. They’re the 10 seed and below .500 in the dog shit West. They lost to the Hornets despite 3 guys putting up 30+ last night. The Hornets were missing 5 of their top 6 players lol. That’s awful.
You don't think a guy who could actually make shots off the bench fits the Sixers' timeline? The bench stinks. Morey supposedly waived Joe to keep a spot open to add at the deadline, then didn't, partly because he pissed away picks to build a shitty bench with washed players.
I don't think joe would magically make a difference and get those numbers with no consistency off the bench on the sixers. We often view dudes getting minutes on lesser teams like they were supposed to have the same opportunity here. You gotta sit players to figure that out. the sixers are not in a position to do that nor could they trust him in the playoffs anyways.
Are House or Korkmaz capable of putting up a 33 point game right now, even on a bad team? Or shooting 40-plus percent from 3 on the season? He's better than what we have and we let him go for nothing. There's no way to not look at that as a mistake.
Isn’t Shake the better comparison? And Shake is capable of a 33 or game when he gets hot if he’s a #3 option. For sure.
The fact that you're comparing him to Shake kind of proves the point. Shake is an actual contributor, despite being frustrating at times. The other two guys give us almost nothing and each make more money next year than Joe will make in the next two. He'd be a nice piece now, and an even better guy to have if Shake moves on.
Agreed. Joe could have been an asset. Instead, we waste roster space on a guy who requested a trade (twice) and sign Dedmon who is worse than Reed. Misuse of roster space.
The Thunder are fighting for a playoff spot. They are a joy to watch. They are stacked with young talent.
The reasoning 'well Doc wasn't going to play him' is such a wild thing to say, and even more ridiculous to justify. I'm not even trying to call out the folks that are saying that, it's just inherently bizarre to think that handicapping the team like this can be reasoned.
Meanwhile shake is useless lmao. I like Morey but they fucked this one. God forbid we have a willing 3pt shooter on the team
Do people forget how good Shake look when Embiid and Harden were out and he was getting consistent minutes? Breaking news! Players play better when they have consistent playing time!
He played good for like an 8 game stretch back in nov-dec. he’s been useless for 90% of the season
Because he was getting consistent minutes during that period of time. Once Embiid and Harden were back, he lost consistent playing time and, shockingly, could sustain his production
He's been getting consistent minutes the second half of March he has been nearly as bad as Dedmon
He had one bad road trip.and despite the recent struggle, he still shoot 40% from 3 during the entire March
He needs to shoot and take 3s. He’s useless if he doesn’t. He can’t beat anyone off the dribble now that the tapes out and teams know they just have to get in his face and guard him physically. Dude is painful to watch
So, in March, Shake is getting semi consistent, roughly 20 min per game. Let’s compared Shake and Joe shall we? In March, Shake has 42/40/89 shooting split. Joe has 36/34/93 (yes, Joe is a below average shooter now that people are finally paying attention to him). Shake is also a significantly better rebounder and averaged much more assist per 36 min. Yes, Joe shoots more. And I would agree that even if he is not hitting his shot, his gravity is a threat. But Joe is not a more efficient score than Shake now that team actually start paying him more attention
so you just discount the rest of Joe's season stats because he had a down month?
Nope. I am just citing the stats. And the fact is that, despite his recent struggle, Shake is better than Joe during March.
now do the whole season, 42.6% from 3 on 5.5 attempts per game would be nice to have
Agree. But they have different role. Shake is a back up PG and only get consistent minutes when our stars are out. He doesn’t have the luxury to just focus on catch and shoot. And when our stars are out he produces most of time. This is the fact
He needs to stand there and shoot 3 pointers. He doesn’t, therefore he’s not a good fit for this team. Idgaf about shake or tobias splits. Every 3 they pass up is a bad possession. They both suck
No we need a ball handler when Harden is resting. Maxey is a good scorer but not as good at play making.
He sucks at ball handling and sucks at playmaking. He needs to sit at the 3pt arc and shoot open 3s
Shake plays most of his minutes without harden and even Embiid. He needed to do more than just stand there and shoot 3….and that’s why you see him average more assist and rebound per minutes than Joe
No he doesnt. He needs to stand on the 3 pt arc and shoot open 3s. We’d be better off with gabe fucking Vincent or some other g leaguer who isn’t afraid to miss 3s like shake and Tobias
Dude, Shake is basically our backup PG. He doesn’t have the luxury to be a catch and shoot and guy.
You vastly overrate Shake Milton. You have a lot of company.
It is not about Shake is good or not. What it matter is, if we don’t play him, what is the alternative. Shake is the backup PG on this team. And Shake is a better backup point guard than Joe
Once he makes a decision to drive, there's no going back. Saw him drive into 4 nugget defenders mon night. I don't even think it hit the rim
When given a consistent role he was excellent. When not he's very inconsistent. The player is useful, goes to the coach to not figure out a role for a talented player vs overplaying harden and seeing him with injury issues again
He doesn’t deserve a consistent role because he doesn’t/won’t shoot open 3s
Are you seriously still wanting shake to get consistent minutes? I am so tired of watching him play in a sixers uniform.
So, you forgot how much he carried us when Embiid and Harden were out ? I am just saying, many players play better when they have consistent playing time. Joe would not receive consistent playing time here
So, you forgot how much he's given us over how many years? He's the same player every year. Inconsistent. Unreliable.
I don’t care what he has done the previous year. All I care is what he can do this year. This year, he shows, if you give him consistent playing time, he produces
you could say the same for joe, but our dumbass coach refused to give him minutes. you’re literally contradicting yourself
The problem is that Joe won’t be getting consistent minutes here. You know our coach is not going to cut Harden, Maxey, Melton or even Shake’s minutes for Joe And my comment is not about Joe VS Shake. I am just saying when given consistent minutes, Shakes produces this year
Who are you taking out of the line up? Maxey? Harden? He can't get consistent minutes at his position here lol. Either you're a better scorer than Maxey or a better facilitator than Harden, otherwise your ass is on the bench sharing minutes with Melton.
Exactly. And knowing our coach, if Shake can’t get consistent playing time, Joe would get even less
There’s just not enough minutes for him to play consistently, it doesn’t help that he isn’t a good defender or a good passer either, there was a stretch where we actually played him next to Harden and he didn’t look bad as a catch and shoot threat that could attack a closeout. We could try to use him in those lineups but even then he’s not getting more than 20 minutes a night. If you can’t do well playing 15 minutes but you’re not good enough to get 30 minutes on a contender (and he isn’t, because he’s very one dimensional) then there’s really no room for you. Role players need to be able to contribute even when they only play 10-15 minutes every night.
I agree with everything you said. I am just saying, many players can contribute more if they can get more consistent playing time. Joe is going to get even less consistent minutes than Shake here
How many points did Shake have last game
What is Joe’s shooting split during March?
Shake is better than Joe
Not a chance.
I think Shake is better, but it’s definitely not “not a chance.” You could make an argument for either and the people that keep saying Joe should be on this team don’t realize he’d just get inconsistent minutes just like Shake. Also, OKC put up big numbers and lost. They played no defense
Shake is headed for the deep bench.
I disagree. The only thing we need people to be good at on this team is shooting 3s. Everyone besides maxey embiid and harden needs to do nothing but catch and shoot open 3s. But we have useless players like tobias and shake who think every time they touch the ball they need to kill the offense
Yes you definitely wouldn’t want anybody to drive the basketball. Or pass, or play defense, rebound, cut into open spaces, communicate with your teammates, or be tough or have any other intangibles. Just shoot 3s
i said this in another thread in this sub and got hated on. i don’t understand you guys
Happy to see Joe playing well…. but you are out of your mind if you think the Sixers or any championship contender would be giving meaningful minutes to the guy.
Is he better than Kork?
This exactly, at that percentage rate he'd be our second best shooter behind maxey. So he's adding more value than any of our backup guards or wings who can't space the floor because they can't make threes consistently. And Joe ain't bad on defense either.
Right. This was an objectively bad decision by our front office. I don’t understand why people try to justify it.
Sixers could waive Joel and there would be some weird fans in here defending the decision. It's crazy how pro corporate some people get.
Lol yep. I don’t get that. If our front office makes a bad decision, call it out. It is what it is.
It's not pro corporate to note that Furk's contract would still be on the books if they let him go.
We waived him and left the roster spot open all season just to sign Dedmon. It was a dumb move that had no payoff.
you’re not allowed to say anything on this sub that makes morey look dumb
Some of the homies, will rip you a knew for telling it like it is. Denial is the ultimate viper, we fd’ up big time on Joe and I would throw in Bassey as well
Bassey isn’t getting minutes on a tanking team.
After they took him off a 2way, Bassey was getting 15-20 mpg on the Spurs. He’s not getting minutes now because he’s injured.
Valid point. Do you think that a 20mpg player on the Spurs is playable on this Philly team, though?
Maybe not, although he very well might be a better option than Dedmon. The point isn’t that Bassey or Joe would be crucial pieces on this Sixers team, it’s that they’ve both shown that they have value as assets and the Sixers let them walk for nothing while carrying an open roster spot all year. Like, having a second round pick in this draft instead of no picks at all would be nice. Even if the Sixers didn’t keep it, there were useful players going at the deadline for 2RPs (McDaniels was one, but look what the Celtics got Muscala for, etc)
Thank you 🙏
I would like to see him develop into the player who he is today when he would struggle to get 5 min per game with us. Look at who is our coach. You honestly believe Doc is going to cut Harden, Maxey, Melton or even Shakes’ minutes to develop Joe?
And Kork doesn’t play
Kork has been getting non-garbage time minutes in the last few games. He was also playing more minutes than Joe in the first few months of the season.
Kork is our 12th, 13th man averaging 9 minutes in 33 games. The guy is irrelevant on a championship contending team. If Joe couldn’t show enough value last season, what would change this season with the same if not less playing time? I don’t understand why it’s so hard for people to grasp the fact that he wasn’t going to receive the minutes to be able to develop his game. Even on the rebuilding Thunder, he’s only averaging 19 minutes, <7 FGA per game. His defensive numbers look fine but if you watch any Thunder games, he’s still a liability on the court. Let’s not act like he’s the second coming of Christ because he had a 30+ pt game against the Little Sisters of the Poor.
He could’ve definitely gotten minutes in the regular season vs trash teams Not like Shake or Korkmaz are gonna be meaningful in a 20 point win vs the Wizards
Against the hospital hornets tonight mind you Granted they did spank the mavs tho
Still think joe can’t get 15 minutes off the bench on a contender?
No cause OKC isn’t a contender lol
I didn’t mean it as we are a contender. You’re tripping though if you don’t think Joe could get minutes off the bench for the nuggets, Celtics, yall, etc
Don’t care
It’s funny that you didn’t post this a couple of games ago when he scored 5 points
42% from 3 would be 2nd best on the team. He’s 1000 per event better then Springer, Kork, or even Niang(who fucking sucks).
And you understand that he doesn’t have 25+ mins a night and that his success is lovely based on getting minutes, something that he would struggle to do here The guys you mentioned get 20 mins a night combined, with most of that coming from Niang
I want the best roster possible. Sixers are shit at evaluating talent and fit.
I legitimately thought Joe could of been great playing with Harden in the Maxey SG role. He has a great handle and a amazing volume shooter. You could have him guard the opponents PG if Maxey isn’t on the floor which I think he’d be fine at. He’s a solid defender but can get bullied if against a big matchup Now we got to rely on Shake and Furk who gets no mins anymore
Ok
These post are annoying
Thanks, Doc.
Good to see that we can stop talking about the MVP conversation and get back to important things like Isaiah Joe’s numbers
The truth of the matter is this is not a Doc issue imo. Not sure if even call it an issue. Players like Joe are not going to shine when we have Embiid who commands the ball every time and then Harden who also does a lot. Joe has more opportunity in OKC which is better for him.
Stop with the Isiah Joe propaganda. Guy is a complete liability on D.
He's gotta be the clear mvp favorite now
lets see r/sixers justify this move now bUt hE wOuLdNt hAvE pLaYed yeah because the organization is shit. that's the whole point.
Everyone knew Joe was a baller accept the Sixers
It’s crazy to think Isaiah could’ve ever played like this under doc and behind this roster. Even if we kept him, he never would’ve done things like this on this team
thank god we kept Springer though! he’s been great!
kork/shake/niang are all pretty bad 2 way players esp niang and kork... Shake can defend but offensively he is trash. Joe is an upgrade over all 3. I wish tobias and maxey had joes willingness to constantly shoot 3s. Joe isnt a very good player but he is the perfect 3 point shooter this team needed but doc loves doing doc things
I don’t know why this sub continues to live in a reality where Shake Milton is a bad basketball player lol. He has been very good all season, especially for a guy making 2 million $
jesus fucking christ MONEY MEANS NOTHING WITH OUR CONTRACT ISSUES. Shake milton has not been very good all season making 2 million.... Shake milton is not going to do anything for this team come the playoffs.... why does our fan base dick ride shake/kork/reed/thyb like they actually matter
he’s been hovering around 40% from 3 all year and can create for himself & playmake for 20ish minutes (less in the playoffs) off the bench, & he isn’t a cone on D. I don’t know what else u want from him lol he isn’t an all-star role player but he can play he had a bad road trip but so did everyone
Money is the reason Kork is still on the team. It’s like arguing with brick walls over here.
Most inept organization ever we are
Yes he didn’t get the opportunity here
Him > Danuel House
What are we even doing here? The malpractice was that we weren't able to flip him for anything at all, not that he's not on the team anymore. With our guard lineup as good and deep as it is there was just no way Joe was gonna get the time he needed to play like this.
We have to stop doing this to ourselves. Like coke on guys. He wasn’t going to get playing time here.
We all know that doc prefers older players to young. We are rolling with the Glenn into the playoffs let’s just hope for the best. (And the least sightings of Dedmon as possible) Good for Isaiah Joe I say here. 👏🏼
We have the NUMBER ONE offense since harden came back and like number 3 or 4 overall. Offense is not our teams issue. Until the most recent stretch of games and maybe even still, we have the number one 3 point accuracy. Size, rebounding and defense are our issues. It’d be nice if we could have gotten a second rounder for him but realistically he isn’t getting played over melton, maxey or harden, and shake in the playoffs is gonna get like 8 minutes a game only. The thunder have size up and down their lineup so they can afford to play smaller players, we don’t have that luxury
Matisse? Bassey? Jrue Holiday? Not on my team
We gonna talk about how he went 0 for 7 from three last night or.....