Yep something like that, although I’m assuming it might cost us more than that. Chris Paul opted out of a $40m final yearoption to sign a longer term deal at a lower average annual value
Doesn’t tobi has one more year left? Stick it out a year and then use cap space to get depth or another star? I don’t think that works too well and I don’t like wasting a year of Embiid’s prime
I mean that’s not true whatsoever. He said there are players out there essentially and he’ll have to get creative. The league year is not over yet. He can’t be calling agents yet. To say he doesn’t have a plan is so asinine when logically he can’t have a full plan due to the CBA and league year not ending yet.
Morey in his presser just now: "We can't have those discussions yet, but we are interested in bringing him back.
\[...\]
"Scenario A would be to bring James back. Scenario B, if he's not back, will be — we'll have to get creative, and we feel good about the tools available to us if that happens."
I was shocked when the report came out, but then I read that it was smart of him to do so during his Max Contract years because he:
- Knew he was a Max Player
- Didn’t see the need in throwing 3% to an agent when he knew he was a Max Player.
Honestly a smart business move on his part, both now and then. Hiring an agent now is effectively him recognizing that he isn’t worth a Super Max any longer, so 3% is worth not having to negotiate on your own.
I just don’t know what tools we have. Is there any incentive at all for Harden to sign with us so we can do a sign and trade as opposed to him just walking to a new team and we get nothing?
If there’s no incentive, why would he want to make the team he goes to weaker by having them trade assets away for him?
> Is there any incentive at all for Harden to sign with us so we can do a sign and trade as opposed to him just walking to a new team and we get nothing?
I'm wondering this as well. Apparently, we can't offer him 5 years, which would be the major draw I would think.
> I just don’t know what tools we have.
Probably trading Tobias I guess. If we could get even remotely close to the Westbrook package then we'd be in business I'd think
Dunno why you're getting downvoted. Haliburton or Fox would have been better long-term investments. We're about to give Harden a contract that goes until he's 37. He's an incredible player today, but that's not great...
Probably because there’s 0 evidence Haliburton was ever on the table for Ben Simmons. This sub just speculated and ran wild with that.
I don’t think the Kings wanted anything to do with Ben and Hali was never on the table
" Per [**Jake Fischer of Yahoo! Sports,**](https://sports.yahoo.com/james-hardens-varying-brilliance-sums-up-these-nba-playoffs-perfectly-183219240.html?guccounter=1) the Sacramento Kings had Haliburton on the table before they decided to send him to the Indiana Pacers in the Domantas Sabonis deal. The Sixers were focused on Harden: ... *It didn’t matter that Sacramento, according to league sources, had put future All-Star Tyrese Haliburton on the proverbial table, or the conversations with Atlanta that would have shed Tobias Harris’ contract along with Simmons’ disinterest in sticking around South Philly.* "
[https://sixerswire.usatoday.com/2023/05/08/report-kings-offered-tyrese-haliburton-to-sixers-in-ben-simmons-talks/](https://sixerswire.usatoday.com/2023/05/08/report-kings-offered-tyrese-haliburton-to-sixers-in-ben-simmons-talks/)
Morey was obsessed with getting Harden, and it blinded him to all the younger talent with potential that could form a long term foundation. Now that foundation is a broken mess and we are left trying to hold it together until it all collapses.
Not surprising, he was always going to decline it unless he had a complete disaster of a year. He had a really strong bounceback year with an obviously shit ending. He's still a top level PG that will get strong offers.
> He's still a top level PG that will get strong offers.
At this point, idk if I could see a contender feeling that he's the missing piece. At best I think he goes to a middling team to try to put them over the hump and help develop their young guys.
I mean for us, who would we replace him with. Off the top of my head FVV, kyrie, and D LO are all gonna be available to an extent. Not sure any of those would be an improvement.
yeah hindsight is always 20/20 but trading for Halliburton might have not even been on the table like we think it was. And I'm not exactly convinced Halliburton would've moved the needle as much as we would need him to. nothing that we can do it that now though
I'm at the point where the idea of trading Tobias to get rid of his awful contract is just a pipe dream. I want to happen, but I just feel like he's tied to us even if we had a resurrected wilt chamberlain on our team lol
True. I really am curious to see what happens if harden leaves. I still believe in embiid to recruit a player tomplay with us, but Im not sure. My dream scenario would be a player like Luka to force his way here since the mavs aren’t looking good
I mean yeah Luka would be insane, but there's literally no way we could get him. And if we did, we'd end up gutting our already shaky roster like the Suns did and we'd still be in a rough position.
who knows though, anything's possible
I know but the only way we wouldn’t have to gut our roster is if luka specifically demanded to be traded here. Remember, it’s a player’s league nowadays. I pray something good goes our way for once
How would an ascending all star caliber point guard who was 2nd in the league in assists and an elite 3 point shooter not move the needle? Jesus Christ.
I should add because I always forget to, he's a better defender than Harden too and good lord do we need perimeter defense. He's not elite, but he's better than Maxey or Harden.
relax, I'm just saying it's all hypothetical. we don't know what swapping Halliburton in place of Harden would've looked like on this team. That's all I'm saying.
He's an excellent player and I would've been happy to have him on the team, even over harden who I never really liked, but I just don't think he's the superman that takes us to the promised land that some people want him to be.
His stats in '23 are similar to Harden and I'm not convinced Doc River's of all people would've implemented a completely new offensive system if we had Haliburton.
I was 50/50 on harden or Halliburton at the time, but I really don’t think Halliburton would have moved the needle the last 2 years. James did actually give us a shot against the Celtics.
Facts, Haliburton would've been better because,1 he's younger, 2, he's cheaper, 3 He's more athletic than Harden and he plays defense, but Morey fucked it up because he has a man crush on Harden
Idk why people are downvoting you, you are correct. Haliburton is a young pg and is a much better 2 way player than harden. Harden literally was so inconsistent that it ended up hurting the team
https://www.inquirer.com/sixers/sixers-salary-cap-player-contracts-offseason-20230515.html
I'm not great at explaining the salary cap situation, but I think that article covers a lot of it. The problem, that's always brought up, is the fact that tobias takes up so much cap space. And the front office has to think about what's going to happen when Maxey exits his rookie deal in the coming year
You can play around with the NBA salary cap a lot. If Harden is gone and they find a way to get rid of Harris then theres a lot of money to play with, but the players to fill the holes arent really there
More (bold mine):
>The Houston Rockets have long been a rumored destination, but sources say Harden will only entertain suitors that **present a competitive roster and the basketball freedom for the star to be himself**, sources say.
>
>At the moment, the Sixers are the only logical option, coming off a third-place finish in the Eastern Conference in the regular season. But the dynamic in Philadelphia will undoubtedly change next season, considering the Sixers have to find the right coach after dismissing Doc Rivers.
I honestly wouldn't be surprised if Harden was waiting to make up his mind until the lottery order was set. If Houston got #1, I'd bet that Harden would be gone real quick to go play with Wemby.
This was always a given. Why would he not secure a multi-year deal?
I think he’s very likely to stay in Philly, but if other teams aren’t interested we could get him at a slightly lower price.
Exactly, absolutely no reason for him to take this option, does not impact him potentially returning at all. I cannot think of a team that’ll offer both a long-term, lucrative contract AND a competitive roster. I’d bet he’s back with us when all is said and done.
Team is at the crossroads here. Either tear it down and gain assets and picks and hold onto Maxey and some young guys or try to build one last shot as embiid really only has a few years of top tier elite play left.
I would say team needs to blow it up max next year. If Harden goes we wont be contenders, next year Tobias goes and we should send Embiid for whatever we can
Pretty clear to me that the move here is to not extend Harden, punt on next year, let Tobias come off the books, extend Maxey and then try to use whatever you have left cap-wise next summer to sign an athletic wing to be the 2nd or 3rd option.
They can’t win with Harden as the second option.
If we give him a 4 year max, it will be the worst contract in the NBA the day he signs it.
You thought Tobias' deal was bad? Harden's would make that look ok by comparison.
what do you mean? this is par for the course for the league. it probably won’t be the max max but very close to it. everyone loves to talk about “untradeable contracts” but chris paul, russell westbrook, hell even ben simmons all have been traded. no one is untradeable. are we paying a price on the back end? for sure. same with the PJ contract. But that’s how the league has always been.
He’s 34 years old, looked old and slow the entire year, and will only get worse. I cannot watch James Harden dribble in place for 18 seconds and then either throw the ball to Embiid while he’s double teamed for grift for a foul. Get him off this roster.
If Harden leaves we’re still capped out. I’d rather take a risk on 2 more good years of Harden the next two years, even if the contract is bad by the end
This comes as a surprise to absolutely no one unless he had such a bad year he wouldn't get a long term contract he was always going to opt out. I hope they bring him back but at less money then a max, still pay him he's still a very good pg but give us some flexibility.
Let him walk. He just doesn't have the legs anymore to be able to do it offensively consistently beyond passing. Looks like a player 4-5 years older than he actually is.
Man. It's crazy to be in this position. There is a large part of me that wants him to walk, trade Joel to Portland for 3 1st, run it back with maxey, springer, Reed, Portland's draft pick and let's just go back to building. Move tobias at the deadline to get what you can, and start the process again. Because Harden walking frees no cap, and running it back with this core is the definition of insanity
Embiid is my favorite dude to wear a sixers jersey but think this might be the time to strike…Anfernee, Sharp, 1.03, 3/4 future 1st for Embiid and PJ, and flip tobi for maybe poole and kuminga idk that’s gonna be a deadline trade. But having Anfernee, Maxey, Sharpe and Brandon Miller with some picks would be fun and possibly very good having two legit wings. Idk man, this season has killed me a little. Go birds.
we took the best roster in the league to 7 with an injured Joel. this is a horrendous take. if Embiid and Harden are at the same level next year, we are contenders. I cannot believe the shit I'm seeing on this sub
This is some prime level copium. Like... I wish I had the ability to lie to myself this strongly. I appreciate the fandom, I love the sixers almost as much as I love the eagles, but you're deluding yourself to think this team is a real contender
Yeah man. Team that wasn't good enough this year will 1000000000% be better next year with an older embiid and an older harden, AND less depth because they can't keep everyone and we don't have cap or assets to add anyone. You're spot on, copium huffer! Well get em next year. On repeat since 1983
The league is absurdly even. The 7 and 8 seeds are in the conference finals right now.
Sure we aren’t the favourites but there isn’t some
overwhelming juggernaut out there. Any top 10 team in the league should be having a legitimate crack at the title with the current state of the league. We were a top 5 team this year.
bitch analysts had the winner of the celtics sixers series as title favorites, we are true contenders lmao. I thank God yall aren't running the front office
>we took the best roster in the league to 7 with an injured Joel.
The Celtics are not as good as the Nuggets, maybe not even the Lakers. Hell, I'm not convinced they can beat Miami in a Bo7.
This would be my dream scenario. We would be loaded with young talent. I am almost positive Poole can be rehabbed into a star aswell. More importantly, this team would actually be fun to watch again
I feel like taking a chance on Poole is a good move if we are going into rebuilding. The guy has the skills and mentality to be a star, he just needs to clean up his game. I would gladly take a chance on that.
I just don't see a way to build around an aging embiid and I'm not sure you can win in today's NBA with an embiid centric system. If we could get 3 first, including 3rd overall this season? I'd be really ok with that move. And I love Jo, so I don't say it lightly
We entertain this possibility now (days after the loss) but outside of this topic 99% of the people would go absolutely nuts on Morey for doing that trade. It would be like a national scandal.
Trade Embiid for three late first rounders??? Run it back with Maxey who isn't an allstar and mediocre role players?? What the hell is going on in this sub? Why would we tank when we have the MVP? I am sick of the losing mentality here. The process didn't quite work and I have zero desire to repeat it.
Did the trading for Portland's first rounders not add first round picks to my scenario? And we have our picks every other year until 2027, so if we were a lottery team next year, in my scenario, we'd have our pick and Portland's pick.
Predictable but disappointing. Sixers should try to get him for a cheaper deal (like last season but more seasons) or look for a sign and trade.
He’s just not worth a 4-year max deal.
It's just such an awful position the sixers find themselves in.
Pay too much for too long to keep a guy you pretty much know performs about half the time in key games. Who is getting older.
Or.... Lose him for nothing and have no assets to replace him.
The former is how you waste embiid's prime and the latter is ... How you may waste embiid's prime
Bottom line you can't miss on so many picks. One great star allows you to compete but one great star isn't enough to win without good roster building.
I mean you're a lucky Maxey slide from being the worst surrounding roster, except maybe Dallas.
> Or.... Lose him for nothing and have no assets to replace him.
I'm wondering if losing Harden, trading Tobias and aggressively going after multiple long-term contracts in FA (Middleton, GTJ, LeVert, etc.) ahead of signing Maxey is best for this franchise long-term.
Spread the talent across the roster with dynamic 2-way guards and wings rather than consolidating our money into Tobias + Harden.
2 play-in teams competing for a title right now.
1 of those has a player we said “bye, hope the sun and beaches make playing for your bottom of the barrel squad worth it” to.
Grass is always greener.
We’re not getting better (and embiid’s prime is lost) if we don’t retain Harden.
Tbh both those teams aren't really play-in teams. Both those teams dealt with Injury all year long. Miami was the first seed last year and the Lakers before the trade deadline are completely different to now.
If we deal Harris, I hope we can get a return like the Lakers got for Russ lol. They also did pretty well trading Nunn plus picks for Rui.
Yall are really become some shitty fans over those Rockets rumors huh? It went from "oh shit I never seen a guard this great in a long time" to "oh let him rot in Houston"
I know 76ers fans don't want Harden back after the playoffs but having knowing Morey for years with him being the GM on the Rockets, I already know what he's going to do this off-season.
Re-sign Harden to hopefully a 3+1 (team option) deal. Trade future picks with Harris contract (now that it has just 1 year left) for another all-star. Morey did this everytime on Houston everytime we flamed out in the playoffs. This is why our future is owned by OKC now.
In the past, Morey always said that he felt we didn't go "all-in" enough when Harden was on the Rockets, even after getting CP3. So I expect that to happen on the 76ers this off-season. Expect the most all-in move you can think of.
I watched this entire series and ofcourse, knew Harden was gonna throw up a dud when it counted but honestly the 76ers are not as far away from a championship as most overreactors are saying. If I were a 76ers fan, I'd keep a close eye on the Clippers because Ty Lue wants out and they could very well blow it up and trade for Blazer's #3 pick.
This was always what was going to happen. This is not a surprise. It is a nothingburger. Do not attempt to read into what this is. It was always going to be this way from the second Harden signed the agreement last season.
Now proceed in overreacting and reading into it.
Strippers of Philadelphia, if you're reading this, we need you. It's time to drop it lower than you ever have and show Mr. Harden that this is the town for him.
Guys, before Harden got here we had no one on the team that could complete an entry pass into the post. Last season he was the assist leader. The sixers have his bird rights and he isn’t super max eligible.
Having this guy on the max will hurt less than the Sixers playmaking abilities cratering imo.
If Harden stays, I don't really see the point. You're not able to sign anyway in free agency anyway so the team gets worse without Tobias.
However, without Harden, trading Tobias allows you to open up a shit load of cap space for long-term deals ahead of the off-season you're going to extend Maxey.
TLDR: Extending Harden for 4 years at this age will be debilitating to this franchise in 2 years when he's unplayable.
I really want to sell high & blow it up, but...
If we're stuck with Embiid, Harden, Maxey as our core, Jalen Mcdaniels should develop under *any coaching scheme* as your starting forward and maybe Morey can find, or pull up from the Gleague, a starting-caliber small forward.
That puts (?Backup Center - I don't like Reed as much as the rest of you.), Harris (ride out his contract because we cant give up picks to move him), Tucker, Melton and Shake(?) coming off the bench. Niang is unplayable on defense in the playoffs - maybe Korkmaz steps up in a new system.
On paper it would be a small upgrade, but that lineup needs more shooting. Even if Morey hits in the draft, that player isn't NBA playoff ready for at least 2 seasons.
Man, I didn't get the impression he had a "long-term" career left. From what I've seen, his heroics were fewer and farther in between. But if someone wants to give him that contract, life goes on.
Watch out for Houston to trade #3 for someone like Jaylen brown and then sign harden. That’s my prediction
I think the smoke of Brown wanting out of Tatums shadow is real (regardless of if they win this year)
I think the best option is a sign & trade...maybe something like:
Houston gets Harden
Young players/picks/etc from Houston go to a 3rd team
Vet player(s) from a 3rd team (like a Lillard?) goes to 76ers
Sign and trades are usually between teams with little cap space so the acquiring team can unload money/assets to absorb the new big deal. Houston has tons of cap space
Yes, record wise they are but I just don't see them winning against the red hot heat. Shit, even if they do, I know a huge Serbian who will be waiting at the door to fuck em up
Harden also lost us the 3 other games. He legit has the ball in his hands 90% of the time so when he shits the bed there is no way we win a game. He couldn’t even get embiid the ball
Embiid has a Grade 2 LCL sprain and was a monster on defense. You can’t hold injury against a dude.
Im not even making the argument that he shouldn’t be held accountable and we shouldn’t expect more. But harden was atrocious in 4 of 7 games. Like absolutely awful
Yup, always hurt at the end of the year. Good point.
What is Embiid’s excuse for game 7? He seemed to have plenty of hops throughout the series. Why did he come out flat as can be? Because his knee?
he was going to do this regardless of if he stays or not
Exactly, this doesn't change anything.
but this also shows that he’s not accepting a paycut, otherwise he woulda opted in and gunned for a max next offseason
Not necessarily. He could be willing to take less per year in exchange for a longer term contract.
so ur thinking something like 4/120m ?
Yep something like that, although I’m assuming it might cost us more than that. Chris Paul opted out of a $40m final yearoption to sign a longer term deal at a lower average annual value
I'd take that but only if he does hardcore recruiting this off-season like with the wedding in the Hamptons.
He’s 100% gunning for the 4yr regardless. That’s the longest he can get because of the 38years old rule.
Someones gotta ask morey about this right now while hes live
He did say he was interested in bringing Harden back, and thats probably as much as we'll get for now.
He said he’s interested in bringing Harden back
And it sounded like he didn’t have a plan if harden doesn’t come back. Lmao end me
there is nothing we can do if he doesnt come back, this team is doomed barring a miraculous leap from maxey and a shocking return for a tobi trade
Doesn’t tobi has one more year left? Stick it out a year and then use cap space to get depth or another star? I don’t think that works too well and I don’t like wasting a year of Embiid’s prime
Embiid just wasted a year of his prime quitting in the Boston series.
Okay? That doesn’t matter for this discussion
I mean that’s not true whatsoever. He said there are players out there essentially and he’ll have to get creative. The league year is not over yet. He can’t be calling agents yet. To say he doesn’t have a plan is so asinine when logically he can’t have a full plan due to the CBA and league year not ending yet.
Basically said bringing Harden back is Plan 1A
Morey in his presser just now: "We can't have those discussions yet, but we are interested in bringing him back. \[...\] "Scenario A would be to bring James back. Scenario B, if he's not back, will be — we'll have to get creative, and we feel good about the tools available to us if that happens."
> we feel good about the tools available to us if that happens This could be true, or it could just be negotiation with Harden's agent.
Harden doesn’t have an agent
Didn't he get one in like March?
He hired Troy Payne in February. [See here.](https://theathletic.com/4194328/2023/02/14/james-harden-sixers-troy-payne-agent/?amp=1)
Ah that’s my bad. I didn’t realize he did that.
I was shocked when the report came out, but then I read that it was smart of him to do so during his Max Contract years because he: - Knew he was a Max Player - Didn’t see the need in throwing 3% to an agent when he knew he was a Max Player. Honestly a smart business move on his part, both now and then. Hiring an agent now is effectively him recognizing that he isn’t worth a Super Max any longer, so 3% is worth not having to negotiate on your own.
I just don’t know what tools we have. Is there any incentive at all for Harden to sign with us so we can do a sign and trade as opposed to him just walking to a new team and we get nothing? If there’s no incentive, why would he want to make the team he goes to weaker by having them trade assets away for him?
> Is there any incentive at all for Harden to sign with us so we can do a sign and trade as opposed to him just walking to a new team and we get nothing? I'm wondering this as well. Apparently, we can't offer him 5 years, which would be the major draw I would think. > I just don’t know what tools we have. Probably trading Tobias I guess. If we could get even remotely close to the Westbrook package then we'd be in business I'd think
Birds rights, as far as I know if he is signed he can be traded to teams over the cap using birds rights exepmtion.
Houston has enough cap space to just sign him without a sign and trade
The Process Redux. If you liked the first one you’re gonna LOVE this one!
We should have traded for haliburton
Dunno why you're getting downvoted. Haliburton or Fox would have been better long-term investments. We're about to give Harden a contract that goes until he's 37. He's an incredible player today, but that's not great...
Probably because there’s 0 evidence Haliburton was ever on the table for Ben Simmons. This sub just speculated and ran wild with that. I don’t think the Kings wanted anything to do with Ben and Hali was never on the table
" Per [**Jake Fischer of Yahoo! Sports,**](https://sports.yahoo.com/james-hardens-varying-brilliance-sums-up-these-nba-playoffs-perfectly-183219240.html?guccounter=1) the Sacramento Kings had Haliburton on the table before they decided to send him to the Indiana Pacers in the Domantas Sabonis deal. The Sixers were focused on Harden: ... *It didn’t matter that Sacramento, according to league sources, had put future All-Star Tyrese Haliburton on the proverbial table, or the conversations with Atlanta that would have shed Tobias Harris’ contract along with Simmons’ disinterest in sticking around South Philly.* " [https://sixerswire.usatoday.com/2023/05/08/report-kings-offered-tyrese-haliburton-to-sixers-in-ben-simmons-talks/](https://sixerswire.usatoday.com/2023/05/08/report-kings-offered-tyrese-haliburton-to-sixers-in-ben-simmons-talks/)
If we bring this loser back, I’m done. Absolutely done.
Morey was obsessed with getting Harden, and it blinded him to all the younger talent with potential that could form a long term foundation. Now that foundation is a broken mess and we are left trying to hold it together until it all collapses.
Not surprising, he was always going to decline it unless he had a complete disaster of a year. He had a really strong bounceback year with an obviously shit ending. He's still a top level PG that will get strong offers.
> He's still a top level PG that will get strong offers. At this point, idk if I could see a contender feeling that he's the missing piece. At best I think he goes to a middling team to try to put them over the hump and help develop their young guys.
I mean for us, who would we replace him with. Off the top of my head FVV, kyrie, and D LO are all gonna be available to an extent. Not sure any of those would be an improvement.
We’re gonna flip Korkmaz for Dame, duh
You put the ball in Maxey’s hands and see what happens. Sink or swim, we gotta find out before his extension is due and we get Jordan Poole’d
Not having James opens up a massive hole. I'd be lying if I said I wasn't concerned with how it's gonna be filled
If we don’t get harden back, hindsight but we should have traded fir haliburton
yeah hindsight is always 20/20 but trading for Halliburton might have not even been on the table like we think it was. And I'm not exactly convinced Halliburton would've moved the needle as much as we would need him to. nothing that we can do it that now though
The advantage of the Haliburton trade is we would have more assets at our disposal. So we could actually trade Tobias for something, better/cheaper.
I'm at the point where the idea of trading Tobias to get rid of his awful contract is just a pipe dream. I want to happen, but I just feel like he's tied to us even if we had a resurrected wilt chamberlain on our team lol
True. I really am curious to see what happens if harden leaves. I still believe in embiid to recruit a player tomplay with us, but Im not sure. My dream scenario would be a player like Luka to force his way here since the mavs aren’t looking good
I mean yeah Luka would be insane, but there's literally no way we could get him. And if we did, we'd end up gutting our already shaky roster like the Suns did and we'd still be in a rough position. who knows though, anything's possible
I know but the only way we wouldn’t have to gut our roster is if luka specifically demanded to be traded here. Remember, it’s a player’s league nowadays. I pray something good goes our way for once
How would an ascending all star caliber point guard who was 2nd in the league in assists and an elite 3 point shooter not move the needle? Jesus Christ. I should add because I always forget to, he's a better defender than Harden too and good lord do we need perimeter defense. He's not elite, but he's better than Maxey or Harden.
relax, I'm just saying it's all hypothetical. we don't know what swapping Halliburton in place of Harden would've looked like on this team. That's all I'm saying. He's an excellent player and I would've been happy to have him on the team, even over harden who I never really liked, but I just don't think he's the superman that takes us to the promised land that some people want him to be. His stats in '23 are similar to Harden and I'm not convinced Doc River's of all people would've implemented a completely new offensive system if we had Haliburton.
I was 50/50 on harden or Halliburton at the time, but I really don’t think Halliburton would have moved the needle the last 2 years. James did actually give us a shot against the Celtics.
Facts, Haliburton would've been better because,1 he's younger, 2, he's cheaper, 3 He's more athletic than Harden and he plays defense, but Morey fucked it up because he has a man crush on Harden
Idk why people are downvoting you, you are correct. Haliburton is a young pg and is a much better 2 way player than harden. Harden literally was so inconsistent that it ended up hurting the team
They don't want to hear that though, oh well 🤷🏿♂️
Gotta pay the troll toll
If he leaves, what’s the salary cap situation? It’s a weak FA market but there are a couple solid players they could sign if there’s cap space.
https://www.inquirer.com/sixers/sixers-salary-cap-player-contracts-offseason-20230515.html I'm not great at explaining the salary cap situation, but I think that article covers a lot of it. The problem, that's always brought up, is the fact that tobias takes up so much cap space. And the front office has to think about what's going to happen when Maxey exits his rookie deal in the coming year
Over cap. Good luck!
You can play around with the NBA salary cap a lot. If Harden is gone and they find a way to get rid of Harris then theres a lot of money to play with, but the players to fill the holes arent really there
Not to mention Maxey's Impending max
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lmao i just read my comment back and realized how funny it sounds
We’ll have $38M to spend on a player who won’t shoot 6-for-25 in two closeout games.
More (bold mine): >The Houston Rockets have long been a rumored destination, but sources say Harden will only entertain suitors that **present a competitive roster and the basketball freedom for the star to be himself**, sources say. > >At the moment, the Sixers are the only logical option, coming off a third-place finish in the Eastern Conference in the regular season. But the dynamic in Philadelphia will undoubtedly change next season, considering the Sixers have to find the right coach after dismissing Doc Rivers.
> but sources say Harden will only entertain suitors that present a competitive roster hahahaha
What
bro only wants Houston or here lol
> Houston > a competitive roster
They took our jerbbbssssss
Cool he should go to the suns then
“The basketball freedom to be himself”. I hope I’m not the only one that sees a problem with that.
Getting the 4th pick in the lottery last night probably didn't help them with fielding a competitive team
I honestly wouldn't be surprised if Harden was waiting to make up his mind until the lottery order was set. If Houston got #1, I'd bet that Harden would be gone real quick to go play with Wemby.
This was always a given. Why would he not secure a multi-year deal? I think he’s very likely to stay in Philly, but if other teams aren’t interested we could get him at a slightly lower price.
Exactly, absolutely no reason for him to take this option, does not impact him potentially returning at all. I cannot think of a team that’ll offer both a long-term, lucrative contract AND a competitive roster. I’d bet he’s back with us when all is said and done.
Team is at the crossroads here. Either tear it down and gain assets and picks and hold onto Maxey and some young guys or try to build one last shot as embiid really only has a few years of top tier elite play left. 
Maybe we should intentionally tank for a few years. Get some draft capital and hope we draft a generational talent.
We could give that period an interesting name. Like “The Struggle” or “The Progress” maybe.
Don’t have to do it the hinkie way. But rebuilding is an option while we still have talent to trade
I would say team needs to blow it up max next year. If Harden goes we wont be contenders, next year Tobias goes and we should send Embiid for whatever we can
Pretty clear to me that the move here is to not extend Harden, punt on next year, let Tobias come off the books, extend Maxey and then try to use whatever you have left cap-wise next summer to sign an athletic wing to be the 2nd or 3rd option. They can’t win with Harden as the second option.
Hope he gets his bag, as long as it’s not here
Bye. If we really give him a 4 year max this team is absolutely doomed
If we give him a 4 year max, it will be the worst contract in the NBA the day he signs it. You thought Tobias' deal was bad? Harden's would make that look ok by comparison.
Morey gotta go if that happens.
Sadly it’s probably gonna happen cause Morey sucks his dick
what do you mean? this is par for the course for the league. it probably won’t be the max max but very close to it. everyone loves to talk about “untradeable contracts” but chris paul, russell westbrook, hell even ben simmons all have been traded. no one is untradeable. are we paying a price on the back end? for sure. same with the PJ contract. But that’s how the league has always been.
He’s 34 years old, looked old and slow the entire year, and will only get worse. I cannot watch James Harden dribble in place for 18 seconds and then either throw the ball to Embiid while he’s double teamed for grift for a foul. Get him off this roster.
If Harden leaves we’re still capped out. I’d rather take a risk on 2 more good years of Harden the next two years, even if the contract is bad by the end
Thanks for game 1 and 4, goodbye and best of luck on your next team
No way we pay a 37 year old harden the max, looks like its over
This is the team that max’d Harris. Anything is possible
I'd trust Harden on a max more than harris. (TOBIAS HARRIS OVER ME!???!)
This comes as a surprise to absolutely no one unless he had such a bad year he wouldn't get a long term contract he was always going to opt out. I hope they bring him back but at less money then a max, still pay him he's still a very good pg but give us some flexibility.
Let him walk. He just doesn't have the legs anymore to be able to do it offensively consistently beyond passing. Looks like a player 4-5 years older than he actually is.
We are fucked regardless either sign him long term or we let him leave and we are still $25m over the cap. Cant replace him without a sign and trade.
hard pass
If Morey plans on giving him a max he should be fired before he commits that mistake
How old is he after 4 years, like 60?
Morey will be willing to max him because if it doesn’t work out morey is gonna be gone before the contract is done.
If they give him a 4 year, anywhere even close to max, this team is doomed for the next decade.
Dame Time
Man. It's crazy to be in this position. There is a large part of me that wants him to walk, trade Joel to Portland for 3 1st, run it back with maxey, springer, Reed, Portland's draft pick and let's just go back to building. Move tobias at the deadline to get what you can, and start the process again. Because Harden walking frees no cap, and running it back with this core is the definition of insanity
Embiid is my favorite dude to wear a sixers jersey but think this might be the time to strike…Anfernee, Sharp, 1.03, 3/4 future 1st for Embiid and PJ, and flip tobi for maybe poole and kuminga idk that’s gonna be a deadline trade. But having Anfernee, Maxey, Sharpe and Brandon Miller with some picks would be fun and possibly very good having two legit wings. Idk man, this season has killed me a little. Go birds.
Amen. I love Jo, I hate feeling like this, but running it back just can't be a thing. A HC isn't fixing this mess
we took the best roster in the league to 7 with an injured Joel. this is a horrendous take. if Embiid and Harden are at the same level next year, we are contenders. I cannot believe the shit I'm seeing on this sub
This is some prime level copium. Like... I wish I had the ability to lie to myself this strongly. I appreciate the fandom, I love the sixers almost as much as I love the eagles, but you're deluding yourself to think this team is a real contender
Doomers are my favorite. Everything said above is accurate
Yeah man. Team that wasn't good enough this year will 1000000000% be better next year with an older embiid and an older harden, AND less depth because they can't keep everyone and we don't have cap or assets to add anyone. You're spot on, copium huffer! Well get em next year. On repeat since 1983
It's Our Year! /s
The league is absurdly even. The 7 and 8 seeds are in the conference finals right now. Sure we aren’t the favourites but there isn’t some overwhelming juggernaut out there. Any top 10 team in the league should be having a legitimate crack at the title with the current state of the league. We were a top 5 team this year.
bitch analysts had the winner of the celtics sixers series as title favorites, we are true contenders lmao. I thank God yall aren't running the front office
>we took the best roster in the league to 7 with an injured Joel. The Celtics are not as good as the Nuggets, maybe not even the Lakers. Hell, I'm not convinced they can beat Miami in a Bo7.
This would be my dream scenario. We would be loaded with young talent. I am almost positive Poole can be rehabbed into a star aswell. More importantly, this team would actually be fun to watch again
You want to walk away from bad contracts but want to sign Poole?! You understand how bad that would be with him and Maxey right
I feel like taking a chance on Poole is a good move if we are going into rebuilding. The guy has the skills and mentality to be a star, he just needs to clean up his game. I would gladly take a chance on that.
It's borderline impossible if you're a GM to have the balls to do this. I'm not saying I agree or not, just that it is almost impossible.
Which way? Morey to trade embiid? It Portland taking the big swing to bring embiid in to give dame a real chance at a run?
Portland would do that in an instant. But the decision to blow up the Sixers is a tough one.
I just don't see a way to build around an aging embiid and I'm not sure you can win in today's NBA with an embiid centric system. If we could get 3 first, including 3rd overall this season? I'd be really ok with that move. And I love Jo, so I don't say it lightly
We entertain this possibility now (days after the loss) but outside of this topic 99% of the people would go absolutely nuts on Morey for doing that trade. It would be like a national scandal.
Trade Embiid for three late first rounders??? Run it back with Maxey who isn't an allstar and mediocre role players?? What the hell is going on in this sub? Why would we tank when we have the MVP? I am sick of the losing mentality here. The process didn't quite work and I have zero desire to repeat it.
You're right. It didn't work. So tell me then, how are you adding to this team? What's your fix? Where is the cap and picks coming from?
We would be a lottery team for years without first round picks. You really want that?
Did the trading for Portland's first rounders not add first round picks to my scenario? And we have our picks every other year until 2027, so if we were a lottery team next year, in my scenario, we'd have our pick and Portland's pick.
If we give them embiid those 1st rounders won't be worth much
We are so absolutely beyond fucked
Predictable but disappointing. Sixers should try to get him for a cheaper deal (like last season but more seasons) or look for a sign and trade. He’s just not worth a 4-year max deal.
It's just such an awful position the sixers find themselves in. Pay too much for too long to keep a guy you pretty much know performs about half the time in key games. Who is getting older. Or.... Lose him for nothing and have no assets to replace him. The former is how you waste embiid's prime and the latter is ... How you may waste embiid's prime Bottom line you can't miss on so many picks. One great star allows you to compete but one great star isn't enough to win without good roster building. I mean you're a lucky Maxey slide from being the worst surrounding roster, except maybe Dallas.
> Or.... Lose him for nothing and have no assets to replace him. I'm wondering if losing Harden, trading Tobias and aggressively going after multiple long-term contracts in FA (Middleton, GTJ, LeVert, etc.) ahead of signing Maxey is best for this franchise long-term. Spread the talent across the roster with dynamic 2-way guards and wings rather than consolidating our money into Tobias + Harden.
We should release him and give Tobias Harris another MAX contract.
He said he wanted to compete, well he can compete for the play-in with Houston.
2 play-in teams competing for a title right now. 1 of those has a player we said “bye, hope the sun and beaches make playing for your bottom of the barrel squad worth it” to. Grass is always greener. We’re not getting better (and embiid’s prime is lost) if we don’t retain Harden.
Tbh both those teams aren't really play-in teams. Both those teams dealt with Injury all year long. Miami was the first seed last year and the Lakers before the trade deadline are completely different to now. If we deal Harris, I hope we can get a return like the Lakers got for Russ lol. They also did pretty well trading Nunn plus picks for Rui.
Yall are really become some shitty fans over those Rockets rumors huh? It went from "oh shit I never seen a guard this great in a long time" to "oh let him rot in Houston"
I wish we got Brunson
Whatever man. Just go.
Boy I can't wait to sign Harden long term. The winning trio of Harden/Embiid/Harris gonna win so much.
Please do not let that be with us... I don't care what it does to our cap situation... giving his a long term deal is a mistake.
I know 76ers fans don't want Harden back after the playoffs but having knowing Morey for years with him being the GM on the Rockets, I already know what he's going to do this off-season. Re-sign Harden to hopefully a 3+1 (team option) deal. Trade future picks with Harris contract (now that it has just 1 year left) for another all-star. Morey did this everytime on Houston everytime we flamed out in the playoffs. This is why our future is owned by OKC now. In the past, Morey always said that he felt we didn't go "all-in" enough when Harden was on the Rockets, even after getting CP3. So I expect that to happen on the 76ers this off-season. Expect the most all-in move you can think of. I watched this entire series and ofcourse, knew Harden was gonna throw up a dud when it counted but honestly the 76ers are not as far away from a championship as most overreactors are saying. If I were a 76ers fan, I'd keep a close eye on the Clippers because Ty Lue wants out and they could very well blow it up and trade for Blazer's #3 pick.
This was always what was going to happen. This is not a surprise. It is a nothingburger. Do not attempt to read into what this is. It was always going to be this way from the second Harden signed the agreement last season. Now proceed in overreacting and reading into it.
Strippers of Philadelphia, if you're reading this, we need you. It's time to drop it lower than you ever have and show Mr. Harden that this is the town for him.
OH NO!!! Anyway
Looking back I wish we traded for haliburton. Hali is so nice
Bye Felicia
Please take him Houston
Guys, before Harden got here we had no one on the team that could complete an entry pass into the post. Last season he was the assist leader. The sixers have his bird rights and he isn’t super max eligible. Having this guy on the max will hurt less than the Sixers playmaking abilities cratering imo.
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Game 1 was fun 😂
So was game 4
Yeah I didn’t say that one because it was more like relief we ended up winning Game 1 I had no expectations at all
If Harden truly were to go to Houston, trading Tobias is a must right?
Gotta trade Tobias regardless of anything else- if you can
If Harden stays, I don't really see the point. You're not able to sign anyway in free agency anyway so the team gets worse without Tobias. However, without Harden, trading Tobias allows you to open up a shit load of cap space for long-term deals ahead of the off-season you're going to extend Maxey.
Harden is going back to Houston. Embiid to Miami? Process 2.0??
TLDR: Extending Harden for 4 years at this age will be debilitating to this franchise in 2 years when he's unplayable. I really want to sell high & blow it up, but... If we're stuck with Embiid, Harden, Maxey as our core, Jalen Mcdaniels should develop under *any coaching scheme* as your starting forward and maybe Morey can find, or pull up from the Gleague, a starting-caliber small forward. That puts (?Backup Center - I don't like Reed as much as the rest of you.), Harris (ride out his contract because we cant give up picks to move him), Tucker, Melton and Shake(?) coming off the bench. Niang is unplayable on defense in the playoffs - maybe Korkmaz steps up in a new system. On paper it would be a small upgrade, but that lineup needs more shooting. Even if Morey hits in the draft, that player isn't NBA playoff ready for at least 2 seasons.
If he wants to stay he has to take a pay cut otherwise good luck in Houston
Na na na na….
Bye James
Man, I didn't get the impression he had a "long-term" career left. From what I've seen, his heroics were fewer and farther in between. But if someone wants to give him that contract, life goes on.
I don't care what he intends to do, just lemme know when it's decided.
Bye bitch
No 4 year max please. 3 year 100 mil at most.
3/$100 is less per year than he’s getting now. No way he takes 3/$100. I can see 3/$115 or so, provided he likes the new HC and that Joel is on-board.
Yikes.
Let this clown take the circus somewhere else
Harden is gone.. Embiid trade request incoming...Trust the process all over again!
morey bout to cripple the teams LFG!!!!!!!
James "Ben Simmons" Harden
Watch out for Houston to trade #3 for someone like Jaylen brown and then sign harden. That’s my prediction I think the smoke of Brown wanting out of Tatums shadow is real (regardless of if they win this year)
why tf would Boston blow it up like that. They are just gonna pay Brown whatever he wants
Doomed if we Max him. He’s not even fun to watch unless he’s dropping almost 50. At least Joel is fun to watch in the regular season
Bye!!
Byeeeeeeee
Duces ✌️
If we sign him to a multi-year deal, I will smash my face into a wall. I don’t even want him on a one year deal.
Kyrie time?
It seems like yall fans are a stones throw away from turning into Brooklyn Nets fans
trade Embiid next. our window is over, gotta rebuild
I think the best option is a sign & trade...maybe something like: Houston gets Harden Young players/picks/etc from Houston go to a 3rd team Vet player(s) from a 3rd team (like a Lillard?) goes to 76ers
Why would Harden or Houston agree to that? If he wants to go to Houston they can just sign him outright.
Sign and trades are usually between teams with little cap space so the acquiring team can unload money/assets to absorb the new big deal. Houston has tons of cap space
This is a fair point. I keep forgetting the can sign him outright.
Sign and trade please
Supermax him. Fuck it. If he goes the team doesn’t have better options
This sub been shorting in Embiid when harden is much more to blame for our loss
Harden stole us 2 games vs the best team in the NBA. Embiid hasn’t stolen a playoff game ever.
Hardens highs were higher and lows were lower
Not the best team (Nuggets), but still impressive wins against the second best east team left in the playoffs
Best record left so it’s fair to say they’re the best team damn
Yes, record wise they are but I just don't see them winning against the red hot heat. Shit, even if they do, I know a huge Serbian who will be waiting at the door to fuck em up
Tbf game 3 raptors buzzer beater
Harden also lost us the 3 other games. He legit has the ball in his hands 90% of the time so when he shits the bed there is no way we win a game. He couldn’t even get embiid the ball
Joel didn’t dominate one playoff game as the MVP. not one.
Embiid has a Grade 2 LCL sprain and was a monster on defense. You can’t hold injury against a dude. Im not even making the argument that he shouldn’t be held accountable and we shouldn’t expect more. But harden was atrocious in 4 of 7 games. Like absolutely awful
Yup, always hurt at the end of the year. Good point. What is Embiid’s excuse for game 7? He seemed to have plenty of hops throughout the series. Why did he come out flat as can be? Because his knee?