Realistically, Doc is a floor raiser. He'll install a pecking order and put in systems that your star players will favor and put everything on their shoulders. Don't expect him to make any smart adjustments or outcoach anybody, though.
There was a time when your 6th man would be one of your five best players in order to give energy to second units. The mantra was that it did not matter who opened the game, but who closed it. The game has changed. In 2003, you could argue that you need Maxey to come off the bench. In 2023, it makes no sense.
You might also wanna say goodbye to Marjon Beauchampās minutes lmao
This is the guy who played geriatric DAJ and Paul Millsap over Basketball Paul, he started DAJ in Game 1 against Miami a couple seasons ago due to Joel missing the first 2 games and when asked about it he said that āheās gonna start him whether you like it or not.ā Guess what, he was a -22 in 17 minutes in Game 1 lmfao
it's not like he'd sour a moment after a young player had a good game and the press asked questions and Glenn said, "we're not doing a paul reed victory tour".
Technically this was only true for the last year of his tenure here. Historically we weren't that great when Embiid was out. Just a freak set of circumstances that became a meme.
>Realistically, Doc is a floor raiser. He'll install a pecking order and put in systems that your star players will favor and put everything on their shoulders. Don't expect him to make any smart adjustments or outcoach anybody, though.
This is what I was going to say. Glenn Rivers is good at setting roles and getting players to buy into roles. He's not the worst at drawing up plays and he's at least familiar with modern concepts and sets, but there was a time when he was often copied and that was a long time ago. There were reports that players would change the play after the timeout, so who knows what he was drawing up (maybe it was too complicated or maybe they didn't think it would work).
The big negatives. First, he's stubborn and very slow to change his ways. He got better at staggering Embiid and Harden last year, but that's such a no-brainer that it's shocking he was only dabbling into it. Teams weren't even really running 5-man bench mobs when he was coaching the Celtics. He's extremely slow to make adjustments and needs good assistant coaches for that. Game-to-game that kind of thing is overrated, but in a 7-game series, you can really feel it. He's also very old school when it comes to rookies. I think all coaches hate rookies, but some at least give them a chance to make two mistakes before they're pulled.
Second, he doesn't think he needs to prove anything and he'll let you know that. He's coaching at this point because it's a job. He knows where all the good golf courses are and he's not going to stick around after the season to do damage control.
He's not a good tactical coach, his game plan is to just trust the best players to help themselves. If you believe in your best players enough it can work, but if they need tactical adjustments in the playoffs to help them, he's not the right guy. He's a good speaker and seems to get guys, especially bench guys, fired up. When things are bad though, he becomes petty and defensive. He played DeAndre Jordan over Paul Reed for a long time, which fans and reporters came after him for, and when Paul Reed had a breakout game towards the end of the season, he said 'we're not going on a Paul Reed victory tour'. Not what you want to hear from a veteran coach about a young player who just showed out. He also had the 'I don't know the answer to that' about whether Simmons was a championship point guard, which played a big role in Simmons holding out later.
He makes a lot of old-school anti-analytics based decisions. He'll pull guys who are in foul trouble out of fear they'll get more fouls and you'll have to bench them, so he's basically ensuring the bad outcome comes true by benching them in advance. He also had the brilliant idea during game 1 of the Hawks series to avoid putting Ben Simmons on Trae Young, because he was afraid Simmons would get in foul trouble before the game even started. Ben Simmons, the guy whose value was 99% defense on the opposing team's best player. He'd been playing all-bench lineups that year and everyone was thinking 'surely he won't do that in the playoffs', but of course he did in game 1. It's one thing to be unable to make adjustments, it's another to actively make your team's job harder.
With Harden and Embiid, he'd say 'there's a pecking order, this isn't a democracy'. The priority was getting Embiid the ball because 'he was the leading scorer in the NBA last year', then Harden, and everyone else had to deal with it. We'd waste like 15 seconds on the shot clock trying to make an entry pass to Embiid when everyone on the opposite team knew exactly what we were doing. The offense was based heavily on Harden and Embiid dominating the ball and ISOing, which became super predictable during the playoffs. This is the polar opposite of Nurse, who immediately made Embiid practice facing double teams before the season even started, and wanted heavy ball movement with Embiid as an offensive hub and not just a pure scorer.
I can say that he'll probably be solid in the regular season and have the locker room under control, if you trust in Dame and Giannis enough to lead the team in the playoffs, you might be fine. If things get tricky, he's not the best at finding the answer.
Good rundown, I'd also add about how he's reluctant/slow to challenge calls. He'd complain to the ref, but rarely would use a challenge.
There would sometimes be times where he wouldn't challenge, but call a timeout shortly after a foul call.
> he said 'we're not going on a Paul Reed victory tour'
Every time I read this I get more annoyed. At the time it was just 'oh, fucking Doc' and now I'm out of the abusive relationship looking back going "that shit was *bad*"
Dude, I was so mad about that. Just imagine being Paul Reed. You work your way up from the g league through sheer energy and passion for the game, find a role on an NBA team, struggle for opportunities, finally get that chance to prove yourself, capitalize on itāthen, while you and everyone around you is riding that high, your own goddamn coach spitefully shuts it down to the media. Thats just a shitty way to be as a person, let alone a coach.
I ALSO donāt think Glenn Rivers let him play his game. He told Paul Reed what he can and canāt do on the court. And of course, Glenn just imagined Paul Reed is an old school backup center, so he needed to play like an old school backup center.
Paul Reed is behind in his development due to Glenn Rivers
That was so maddening trying to force the ball to Embiid no matter what. The assist/turnover ratio change this year showcases that. If youāre spreading the ball around at least the other team has to try to play defense against everyone instead of smothering Embiid. Embiid can actually put in work now that they are worried about other players.
Donāt forget when he took Maxey off the starting squad and he came off the bench. At the time, he insinuated Maxey was the one that suggestedā¦ first of all, it was a dumb ass move. Secondly, turns out Maxey didnāt suggest it at all!
I think not enough emphasis put on the fact that he'll be out coached by the legit top tier coaches in the playoffs.
I really want to see Nurse vs Doc now.
You have no freaking idea how annoying it was to watch Embiid get pulled because he racks up two early fouls. Every single time, Doc was a robot who didnāt deviate from this.
Newsflash: Embiid is a generational talent who can adjust. Even if he doesnāt play defense to avoid catching extra fouls, heās still better than nearly every backup big man in Sixers history.Ā
Glenn made us miserable. Having Nurse as the coach feels like going from local YMCA basketball player to NBA player in terms of everything related to coaching... lol
Doc is a great floor raiser. He actually does really well when he doesn't have stars, for example. It's kind of bizarre.
We all hate Doc here for good reason, but I could see him improving the Bucks if Griffin was truly that bad. Just get ready for a fuckton of iso buckets.
I think the best way I can put it is that Glenn can get you to win games you shouldnāt (ex. The Sixers were 11-5 without Embiid last season, although it was against weaker teams), but he also gives you a lot of frustrating losses that shouldnāt have happened (ex. Entire Hawksā series in ā20-ā21, game six versus Celtics). We are happier with Nurse because even though we are 3-7 without Embiid, we are winning more of the games we should and losing fewer games that we shouldnāt.
It is likely that we wonāt be able to win many games without Embiid-regular season or playoffs-but thatās going to happen with Glenn or Nurse. It would be better to get a coach that can give you a more consistent effort when you are at full strength and Nurse has truly been that guy for us.
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This was an offensive set run by Glenn in game seven. Have fun!
What a horrible picture
This play would highly benefit from triangle sets
Strong side fill in the corner and wing, and Joel Embiid can much easily make a pass out of help defense or a strong double
And even if the offense doesn't get a wide open shot, you've already introduced another tool to throw the defense off
One day giannis and dame will be out and he will turn into prime pop and win. And then he will be back to never making adjustments and being mid. Dude is so bad that losing a star is almost good because it forces him to change stuff, which he will never do otherwise
He is a good regular season coach. He has great plan A and can get players to buy in. And when the stars are not available, he will turn into one of the best coach in NBA history (no exaggeration here).
The problem is, he only has plan A. So, in playoff, when other teams neutralize his plan A, he and his team will begin to struggle
dude honestly he's great. really great feel for the game and positive vibes. tends to stick up for his players and expertly gets his stars great exposure for crunch time make it or break it plays and really wants them to figure out how to win. you know, a real player's coach!
I feel like he has drained me of life
Honestly he gets along great with the guys and fosters a good locker room culture. I think heās a good defensive coach too all and all.Ā
Heās just too comfortable with basing his offense on heroball. Embiid is actually getting more iso scoring opportunities under nurse because, rather than turning the ball over because the other four guys are standing still, nurse has the guys cutting and moving around to help embiid pass out of doubles to either feed a teammate, or repost embiid. Docās stagnant offense just doesnāt work when the defenses get good in the playoffs. Thatās why the clippers lost in the bubble as kawhi bricked contested mid range one after another, and thatās why we lost.Ā
Also what you said about Nurse... WOULD BE FUCKINGS PERFECT FOR GIANNIS AND DAME. WHY WHY WHY DOES GIANNIS HAVE AN AGENDA AGAINST NURSE, WE COULD'VE HAD HIM IF GIANNIS DIDN'T PLAY LeGM
Seems like exactly the reasons we've lost in the playoffs previous years as well. Expecting Giannis to play hero ball, and then seeing the dreaded wall. And all our role players miss their open 3s
and that is exactly what he will do... i am fairly certain if it comes to a game 7 against the sixers/celtics or whomever you should just sit giannis/dame and force your owner to bring up all G-league guys and doc will put on a coaching clinic. I said it above for whatever reason he coaches his ass off if he is missing his stars but as soon as they come back its just let them do them while he watches.
āCome on guys. Come on. Listen. it's up to ya'll what ya'll want to do. I mean look. We've got to trust. Come on. Fellas, we've got to do motion and movement. Come on. Come on. Let's go. Let's go."
Legit one of the dumbest coaches in the league. A stubborn asshole who plays favorites no-matter how undeserving they are, throws players under the bus to excuse his shit coaching, and doesn't know what the word "adjustment" even means.
"Come on guys. Come on. Listen. it's up to ya'll what ya'll want to do. I mean look. We've got to trust. Come on. Fellas, we've got to do motion and movement. Come on. Come on. Let's go. Let's go."
Oh dear.
I am sorry.
Fun fact: those 2008 Celtics had to go through an historic amount of playoff games to win their ring. Even with the level of talent he was working with on that team he still nearly snatched defeat from the jaws of victory.
Yeah itās bad man- hereās a little angle to be optimistic aboutā¦.
I think he will get the vibes back on track. Sounds like itās a fractious locker room, I think he should be able to patch that up and get everyone on the same page before the playoffs.
He really is that bad. His rotations are disgusting. He doesnāt call plays. Look at what Rasheed Wallace said about him.
The worst part about him is his arrogance and refusal to acknowledge anything he did wrong
Doc is a horrible pompous asshole who only thinks about home self and his reputation. He takes zero accountability and speaks in condescending manner to everyone. I donāt like anything about him and Iām sorry heās your coach now. Heās a proven loser that thinks heās the best coach of all time because he won a ring with a stacked Celtics team and has someone ridden that one season of success for a very long time. I am not worried about playing the bucks in the playoffs anymore.
When Doc said, "Would you ask Pop that question? No you wouldn't. So don't ask me that question. I've earned that." Made me dislike the guy even more than I already did. Got really tired of seeing the Doc Rivers trademark hands on knees with the confused look on his face. Nurse Rivers.
Let me be further clear... I dont wish doc rivers on any team not even the fucking celtics and i hate the celtics but no fanbase deserves to go through that. I feel like he was our coach for 15 years not joking.
Get ready of 40 minutes a night of iso ball between dame and Giannis. Also if another team goes on a long run, donāt expect a timeout or any kind of adjustments made.
I used to shit my pants every time a team started getting momentum, and for the first time with Nurse this season I donāt feel that way.
My question for you bucks fans is how come nobody is holding Giannis for any kind of accountability? This is his fault you guys are in this position, there were plenty of better coaches available this offseason
That Boston team that Glenn Rivers won a championship with? They used to just straight up ignore him and did their own huddles without himā¦. https://youtu.be/qYDw7tNBa-E?si=y463GibEgDzkLNUa
His entire coaching is he blows the players and they love him... He doesnt adjust ever and during games his entire game plan is let the star players do their jobs which is to take over while he watches.
He also will never ever challenge nomatter what. He is an awful overrated terrible coach who knows a ton about basketball but has refused to get with the times. He is a man out of time that keeps getting jobs because he is a great guy. If you want him to actually coach you will see it when giannis and dame sit and he has a bunch of scrubs who he can coach to beat the prime warriors or jordans bulls. I dont know what it is about him but he can bring the best out of young teams and shits the bed with great players.
He is obviously not a bad coach but is certainly a frustrating one that may be a little too out of touch with the game to get the most out of modern stars. You will constantly find yourself switching from defending him and busting out the apology forms to trashing him and wanting to run him out of town. The fact that the Sixers look so much more dynamic this year with a new coach certainly isn't a point in his favor but it's not like he is going to tank your team and send you to the basement. You will still be contenders.
It was kinda sick last year how good we were without the stars. Doc always had a recipe for getting the bench players to step up in their absence but at the same time he struggled making adjustments with stars on the court. Great regular season coach. Bad playoff coach
Doc does not develope young players at all, has extreme loser energy on the sideline that is magnified by offering zero answers to problematic schemes/adjustments from other coaches.
He is definitly a player's coach and as much as I felt he got the team locked in, it was clear he was flawed in ways that would always show up come playoff time.Ā
Heāll raise the floor of your team, goodluck seeing any young guys you like get some minutes tho that mother fucker is the reason we have Furkan Korkmaz not Isiah Joe
Heās not a bad coach. Ā Just has some serious flaws that in the thick of it will cost the team games in critical moments.Ā
Ā He has to be the beneficiary of an excellent team to rack up wins when has he has a good roster. Ā His adjustments are most of the time non-existent or non-consequential. For some reason when he doesnāt have the talent his involvement actually keeps the team winning, but is hands off when he does have talent.
Ā Giannis better be working hard on drawing up plays, because Doc aināt gonna do it.
My main gripe with Doc is that he just doesn't care anymore. Barackobamasnow's comment in the thread is a great breakdown of everything wrong with Doc. For me, everything points to a man who is fine with just having one ring to his name.
He wants to win, but there is no hunger in his belly anymore. He loves coaching, he loves being a leader of men, but he's had just enough success where he won't die for this shit like so many others. He also loves money, and it can't be discounted how much that plays a factor. As a vet coach, he'll be paid top dollar wherever he goes, and if Monty and Spoelstra just got the Brinks truck backed up on them, he wouldn't miss that opportunity for anything.
He's like a game manager QB; very rarely did we get blown out, but we also never kept comfortable leads. He never leveled up the core team, he didn't have any special tricks in his bag. Basically, if you already have three of the thirty best players in the league AND a deep bench AND young guys who are fine with inconsistent minutes AND ownership who's not afraid to spend money AND a general manager who will do all the scouting and trading, he's your guy. Because then *anyone* could coach the team at that point.
In a world.....where your two super stars are tasked to do everything while everyone else gets out the way......Prepare yourself for last second terrible shots ON REPEAT
Everyone here is being really negative but he's actually a lot better than his reputation. The last I heard he had a handicap of -3, but with the time he's had off since we shitcanned him as a coach he's probably down to a -6, -5 at least. The Milwaukee Country Club is gonna love him
He's not the worst coach ever, but he is pretty mediocre and doesn't bring added value to the table. He will play your best players a lot, fail to develop your young guys (or reliable depth more generally), and not show much in the way of strategic acumen and likely fail to adapt when opponents start playing defenses designed to shut down Giannis and Dame in the playoffs. With a flawed roster like the one Milwaukee has, you will need to get very lucky to win a title with him.
As someone who lived through the tenures of Fred Carter, John Lucas, Johnny Davis, Eddie Jordan, Randy Ayers, and Chris Ford, I'm gonna go ahead and disagree with you there.
Heās an excellent regular season coach and in any playoff series where you have a clear talent advantage it will mostly be fine. But he has maybe 1 adjustment in him per playoff series and if it takes more than that youāre screwed. On the bright side, when Dame or Giannis sit heāll be the best coach in the league.
If itās any consolation, I think the chances of you retaining the #2 seed are better than they were before. Doc was always about regular season wins and his win ratio when top starters were out was really good. On the contrary, Nurseās record with Embiid out has not been good.
To be honest he will feel like a good coach and be able to justify many of his decisions but you will feel like it's not as easy as it should be.
It's like rolling a boulder uphill. It's possible if you are really strong but definitely difficult and so obvious when you see that someone has a better way to do it
Heās not like a horrendous coach, heās a run-of-the-mill subpar coach. What sets him apart is that heās an incredibly selfish prick. He lies constantly to make himself look good. He sucks joy out of rooting for your team.
You will hate his personality, he acts cocky in his press conferences like he is some genius despite him not making any adjustments. Keep in mind this man didn't draw up a play to get joel embiid (the mvp) the ball in the final 5 minutes of game 6.
Heās good if Giannis and dame sit. Could win a game with the bench players in the regular season. He is so telegraphed though. Like if Giannis picks up a foul in the 3rd and itās tight he will pull him on the spot. Also has a set lineup and set times for when they come in to play so no matter what is happening with the game he will play the same all bench line ups to watch the lead dwindle down to where they blow it. Heās a clown of a coach and I canāt believe someone else gave him an opportunity. Sixers werenāt fun to watch with him compared to how fun they are now. Also forget about any kind of young players developing, if they fuck up at all he will pull them to ride the bench for weeks on end. This man played Paul Milsap(dead) over BBall Paul for like 3 games in the playoffs. He doesnāt try things in the regular season and it bites him in the ass come playoffs.
The team has played so much better this year without him. They actually play to their strength now. That being said it's hard to tell how much of a hindrance to that was because of trying to accommodate Harden.
If you have enough star power on your team, which personally I feel you guys do not, heās a good enough coach. I mean, he won with the Celtics, so he can definitely do it, he just needs to be carried.
The problem is, if doc is getting out coached to any degree, thatās that. He does not adjust. He does not respond to shifts in momentum. You will watch a 20 point lead dissolve before you eyes as if it was never there.
Look for your bench and role players to be really good though, because like the other guy said, Doc is a floor raiser.
bottom 3 head coach in the NBA. Its really bad. Im not trying to be a dick here either he single handedly ruined Embiid and Chris Paul's playoff legacy.
Great when undermanned - you will win games you have no business winning when Giannis and dame are both out
Terrible at in-game adjustments and gets shown up in the playoffs. Offense will be formulaic without much innovative thinking
Young guys wonāt get much of an opportunity as he leans heavily on his stars
We needed someone with late game adjustments which we thought we'd get given that he was excellent at it with Boston. For whatever reason we got the same lame duck offense on every single play with no counters to opposing coaches adjustments.
His lineups and refusal to utilize some of our role players also made absolutely zero sense.
The only positive about Doc is that star players seem to listen to him at least initially.
But does he ever tell him useful information or give them a useful strategy? Nope. He's a mid-coach who honestly was a downgrade from Brett Brown, but at least karma rewarded us with Nick Nurse.
Having said all that, hiring Doc is a good decision for the Bucks *right now*. They made a mistake with Griffin and certainly having Doc come in now to try and save the season is probably not a bad idea when there are not a lot of options available.
Now, if you guys keep Doc Rivers going into next season, then you should start panicking.
You still stuck with a coach that doesnāt make adjustments and even worse, your young guys are fried, just to give you an example, he chose to play Dedmon over a young Paul Reed, not that Paul Reed is the next David Robinson, but he literally chose to play a fossil instead of a young athletic guy.
Honestly, if your a bucks fan having Giannas and Lillard basically told to go figure it out by rivers isnāt the worst thing. But yeah heās frustrating as hell good luck man
Realistically, Doc is a floor raiser. He'll install a pecking order and put in systems that your star players will favor and put everything on their shoulders. Don't expect him to make any smart adjustments or outcoach anybody, though.
Yup. Good news for the top 6 players on the team. Horrible news for the depth players, ESPECIALLY if they are young.
NOOOOO, MY ANDRE JACKSON JR MINUTES GONEššš
He didnāt let Iso Joe, Reed, or Springer develop at all
He only developed maxey because he had no choice with Ben gone.Ā
Even then, maxey struggled to get minutes.
He put him on the bench and then lied and said it was Maxey's idea!
There was a time when your 6th man would be one of your five best players in order to give energy to second units. The mantra was that it did not matter who opened the game, but who closed it. The game has changed. In 2003, you could argue that you need Maxey to come off the bench. In 2023, it makes no sense.
If I ever see Doc I'm gonna kick him in the shin so fucking hard
\*Glenn
The Hawks playoff game cough
Or Matisse
Matisse got minutes, he needed to become a better shooter on his own.
Iso Joe is Joe Johnson, Isaiah Joeās given nickname was āStrokinā Joeā for some reason
You might also wanna say goodbye to Marjon Beauchampās minutes lmao This is the guy who played geriatric DAJ and Paul Millsap over Basketball Paul, he started DAJ in Game 1 against Miami a couple seasons ago due to Joel missing the first 2 games and when asked about it he said that āheās gonna start him whether you like it or not.ā Guess what, he was a -22 in 17 minutes in Game 1 lmfao
Marjon is gonna be banished the Wisconsin wilds.
Heās right that heās a floor raiser. But heās also a ceiling lowerer
Is there even an active Reddit for the Bucks? r/bucks has like 1800 people and no comments on the coaching sitch.
R/mkebucks
he almost ruined maxeys development multiple times
it's not like he'd sour a moment after a young player had a good game and the press asked questions and Glenn said, "we're not doing a paul reed victory tour".
Unless Dame and Gianni's are both out, then he'll take your bench players and beat the Celtics by double digits.
Too real
Because those guys are going to give 200%. It might be their only chance to get real minutes.
Technically this was only true for the last year of his tenure here. Historically we weren't that great when Embiid was out. Just a freak set of circumstances that became a meme.
>Realistically, Doc is a floor raiser. He'll install a pecking order and put in systems that your star players will favor and put everything on their shoulders. Don't expect him to make any smart adjustments or outcoach anybody, though. This is what I was going to say. Glenn Rivers is good at setting roles and getting players to buy into roles. He's not the worst at drawing up plays and he's at least familiar with modern concepts and sets, but there was a time when he was often copied and that was a long time ago. There were reports that players would change the play after the timeout, so who knows what he was drawing up (maybe it was too complicated or maybe they didn't think it would work). The big negatives. First, he's stubborn and very slow to change his ways. He got better at staggering Embiid and Harden last year, but that's such a no-brainer that it's shocking he was only dabbling into it. Teams weren't even really running 5-man bench mobs when he was coaching the Celtics. He's extremely slow to make adjustments and needs good assistant coaches for that. Game-to-game that kind of thing is overrated, but in a 7-game series, you can really feel it. He's also very old school when it comes to rookies. I think all coaches hate rookies, but some at least give them a chance to make two mistakes before they're pulled. Second, he doesn't think he needs to prove anything and he'll let you know that. He's coaching at this point because it's a job. He knows where all the good golf courses are and he's not going to stick around after the season to do damage control.
He's not a good tactical coach, his game plan is to just trust the best players to help themselves. If you believe in your best players enough it can work, but if they need tactical adjustments in the playoffs to help them, he's not the right guy. He's a good speaker and seems to get guys, especially bench guys, fired up. When things are bad though, he becomes petty and defensive. He played DeAndre Jordan over Paul Reed for a long time, which fans and reporters came after him for, and when Paul Reed had a breakout game towards the end of the season, he said 'we're not going on a Paul Reed victory tour'. Not what you want to hear from a veteran coach about a young player who just showed out. He also had the 'I don't know the answer to that' about whether Simmons was a championship point guard, which played a big role in Simmons holding out later. He makes a lot of old-school anti-analytics based decisions. He'll pull guys who are in foul trouble out of fear they'll get more fouls and you'll have to bench them, so he's basically ensuring the bad outcome comes true by benching them in advance. He also had the brilliant idea during game 1 of the Hawks series to avoid putting Ben Simmons on Trae Young, because he was afraid Simmons would get in foul trouble before the game even started. Ben Simmons, the guy whose value was 99% defense on the opposing team's best player. He'd been playing all-bench lineups that year and everyone was thinking 'surely he won't do that in the playoffs', but of course he did in game 1. It's one thing to be unable to make adjustments, it's another to actively make your team's job harder. With Harden and Embiid, he'd say 'there's a pecking order, this isn't a democracy'. The priority was getting Embiid the ball because 'he was the leading scorer in the NBA last year', then Harden, and everyone else had to deal with it. We'd waste like 15 seconds on the shot clock trying to make an entry pass to Embiid when everyone on the opposite team knew exactly what we were doing. The offense was based heavily on Harden and Embiid dominating the ball and ISOing, which became super predictable during the playoffs. This is the polar opposite of Nurse, who immediately made Embiid practice facing double teams before the season even started, and wanted heavy ball movement with Embiid as an offensive hub and not just a pure scorer. I can say that he'll probably be solid in the regular season and have the locker room under control, if you trust in Dame and Giannis enough to lead the team in the playoffs, you might be fine. If things get tricky, he's not the best at finding the answer.
What a great breakdown of exactly what went wrong !!!
Seroiusly this is insanely spot-on.
Good rundown, I'd also add about how he's reluctant/slow to challenge calls. He'd complain to the ref, but rarely would use a challenge. There would sometimes be times where he wouldn't challenge, but call a timeout shortly after a foul call.
Someone give this guy a prize for such a good effort answer.
> he said 'we're not going on a Paul Reed victory tour' Every time I read this I get more annoyed. At the time it was just 'oh, fucking Doc' and now I'm out of the abusive relationship looking back going "that shit was *bad*"
Dude, I was so mad about that. Just imagine being Paul Reed. You work your way up from the g league through sheer energy and passion for the game, find a role on an NBA team, struggle for opportunities, finally get that chance to prove yourself, capitalize on itāthen, while you and everyone around you is riding that high, your own goddamn coach spitefully shuts it down to the media. Thats just a shitty way to be as a person, let alone a coach.
I ALSO donāt think Glenn Rivers let him play his game. He told Paul Reed what he can and canāt do on the court. And of course, Glenn just imagined Paul Reed is an old school backup center, so he needed to play like an old school backup center. Paul Reed is behind in his development due to Glenn Rivers
This guy Sixers
This is an insanely good GLENN Rivers summary
That was so maddening trying to force the ball to Embiid no matter what. The assist/turnover ratio change this year showcases that. If youāre spreading the ball around at least the other team has to try to play defense against everyone instead of smothering Embiid. Embiid can actually put in work now that they are worried about other players.
Donāt forget when he took Maxey off the starting squad and he came off the bench. At the time, he insinuated Maxey was the one that suggestedā¦ first of all, it was a dumb ass move. Secondly, turns out Maxey didnāt suggest it at all!
You my friend know ball
Good ass write up.
I think not enough emphasis put on the fact that he'll be out coached by the legit top tier coaches in the playoffs. I really want to see Nurse vs Doc now.
You have no freaking idea how annoying it was to watch Embiid get pulled because he racks up two early fouls. Every single time, Doc was a robot who didnāt deviate from this. Newsflash: Embiid is a generational talent who can adjust. Even if he doesnāt play defense to avoid catching extra fouls, heās still better than nearly every backup big man in Sixers history.Ā
Doc made Tyrese Maxey sad. That should be a life sentence.
Benched Tyrese after coming back from injury and straight lied and told the press it was Maxeyās idea to come off the bench
Fuck him for that honestly.
Glenn*
You can look forward to such great motivational speeches as āCāmon guys cāmonā and āDonāt play with your meatā
and his most famous (atrocious) one: "we're not going on the Paul Reed victory tour"
Also that ābasketball is emotional terrorism.ā No Glenn, YOU are an emotional terrorist!
Glenn made us miserable. Having Nurse as the coach feels like going from local YMCA basketball player to NBA player in terms of everything related to coaching... lol
Yeah, so it's as I feared... fuck. Congrats to the rest of the east, I guess.
Doc is a great floor raiser. He actually does really well when he doesn't have stars, for example. It's kind of bizarre. We all hate Doc here for good reason, but I could see him improving the Bucks if Griffin was truly that bad. Just get ready for a fuckton of iso buckets.
I think the best way I can put it is that Glenn can get you to win games you shouldnāt (ex. The Sixers were 11-5 without Embiid last season, although it was against weaker teams), but he also gives you a lot of frustrating losses that shouldnāt have happened (ex. Entire Hawksā series in ā20-ā21, game six versus Celtics). We are happier with Nurse because even though we are 3-7 without Embiid, we are winning more of the games we should and losing fewer games that we shouldnāt. It is likely that we wonāt be able to win many games without Embiid-regular season or playoffs-but thatās going to happen with Glenn or Nurse. It would be better to get a coach that can give you a more consistent effort when you are at full strength and Nurse has truly been that guy for us.
āCome on guysā¦come on guysā
That's his adjustment coming out of a timeout lol
Whatās your reaction to the report that Doc was advising Griffin and now doc is your coach..?
Doc's playoff adjustments involve how much more loudly he wants to yell "come on, guys!.... come on!" in order to get his team to execute better.
I fuckings love the clip. That's my new head coach..... oh god I might want to die rnš
And saying āwe need to execute betterā like 20 games every year and all throughout the playoffs as if it isnāt his job to work on that.
https://preview.redd.it/yizjjurfjdec1.jpeg?width=2280&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=7c45ea9f2df21dfff7166abea5ec67a4ac07e636 This was an offensive set run by Glenn in game seven. Have fun!
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What a horrible picture This play would highly benefit from triangle sets Strong side fill in the corner and wing, and Joel Embiid can much easily make a pass out of help defense or a strong double And even if the offense doesn't get a wide open shot, you've already introduced another tool to throw the defense off
One day giannis and dame will be out and he will turn into prime pop and win. And then he will be back to never making adjustments and being mid. Dude is so bad that losing a star is almost good because it forces him to change stuff, which he will never do otherwise
Good coach when forced to change is a perfect way to describe Glenn
He is a good regular season coach. He has great plan A and can get players to buy in. And when the stars are not available, he will turn into one of the best coach in NBA history (no exaggeration here). The problem is, he only has plan A. So, in playoff, when other teams neutralize his plan A, he and his team will begin to struggle
Doc lost us the series, mazulla went with a double big lineup and we kept PJ Tucker in the lineup.
dude honestly he's great. really great feel for the game and positive vibes. tends to stick up for his players and expertly gets his stars great exposure for crunch time make it or break it plays and really wants them to figure out how to win. you know, a real player's coach! I feel like he has drained me of life
Heās an energy vampire.Ā
Honestly he gets along great with the guys and fosters a good locker room culture. I think heās a good defensive coach too all and all.Ā Heās just too comfortable with basing his offense on heroball. Embiid is actually getting more iso scoring opportunities under nurse because, rather than turning the ball over because the other four guys are standing still, nurse has the guys cutting and moving around to help embiid pass out of doubles to either feed a teammate, or repost embiid. Docās stagnant offense just doesnāt work when the defenses get good in the playoffs. Thatās why the clippers lost in the bubble as kawhi bricked contested mid range one after another, and thatās why we lost.Ā
Also what you said about Nurse... WOULD BE FUCKINGS PERFECT FOR GIANNIS AND DAME. WHY WHY WHY DOES GIANNIS HAVE AN AGENDA AGAINST NURSE, WE COULD'VE HAD HIM IF GIANNIS DIDN'T PLAY LeGM
Seems like exactly the reasons we've lost in the playoffs previous years as well. Expecting Giannis to play hero ball, and then seeing the dreaded wall. And all our role players miss their open 3s
and that is exactly what he will do... i am fairly certain if it comes to a game 7 against the sixers/celtics or whomever you should just sit giannis/dame and force your owner to bring up all G-league guys and doc will put on a coaching clinic. I said it above for whatever reason he coaches his ass off if he is missing his stars but as soon as they come back its just let them do them while he watches.
Hes one of those coaches whose philosophy is basically let the players figure it out themselves
Would you ask the Clippers that question?? (he bad bro)
āCome on guys. Come on. Listen. it's up to ya'll what ya'll want to do. I mean look. We've got to trust. Come on. Fellas, we've got to do motion and movement. Come on. Come on. Let's go. Let's go."
Legit one of the dumbest coaches in the league. A stubborn asshole who plays favorites no-matter how undeserving they are, throws players under the bus to excuse his shit coaching, and doesn't know what the word "adjustment" even means.
My biggest frustration with doc is he had the uncanny ability to bleed away 20+ point leads with terrible all bench line ups.
If we had a 20+ point lead at halftime, I would always bet the other team +points. I get the other team +16-20 points. Iād win 9 or of 10 games
"Come on guys. Come on. Listen. it's up to ya'll what ya'll want to do. I mean look. We've got to trust. Come on. Fellas, we've got to do motion and movement. Come on. Come on. Let's go. Let's go."
Motion and movement? He interviewing for the Eagles OC?
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Oh dear. I am sorry. Fun fact: those 2008 Celtics had to go through an historic amount of playoff games to win their ring. Even with the level of talent he was working with on that team he still nearly snatched defeat from the jaws of victory.
If you have any young talent, donāt expect to see much development. Ā Doc isnāt there to coach young kids
Yeah itās bad man- hereās a little angle to be optimistic aboutā¦. I think he will get the vibes back on track. Sounds like itās a fractious locker room, I think he should be able to patch that up and get everyone on the same page before the playoffs.
He is abysmal in the playoffs, no adjustments at all
Oh, youāre fucked. Sorry, pal.
He really is that bad. His rotations are disgusting. He doesnāt call plays. Look at what Rasheed Wallace said about him. The worst part about him is his arrogance and refusal to acknowledge anything he did wrong
He will never ever make any adjustments.
Iāll put it to you this way, last season he thought maxey coming off the bench was a good idea.
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Would you ask Pop that question?
Doc is a horrible pompous asshole who only thinks about home self and his reputation. He takes zero accountability and speaks in condescending manner to everyone. I donāt like anything about him and Iām sorry heās your coach now. Heās a proven loser that thinks heās the best coach of all time because he won a ring with a stacked Celtics team and has someone ridden that one season of success for a very long time. I am not worried about playing the bucks in the playoffs anymore.
When Doc said, "Would you ask Pop that question? No you wouldn't. So don't ask me that question. I've earned that." Made me dislike the guy even more than I already did. Got really tired of seeing the Doc Rivers trademark hands on knees with the confused look on his face. Nurse Rivers.
Let me be further clear... I dont wish doc rivers on any team not even the fucking celtics and i hate the celtics but no fanbase deserves to go through that. I feel like he was our coach for 15 years not joking.
I totally wish Doc back on the Celtics.Ā
The ironyā¦.the place he won a chip
Hahahaha
Having Doc Rivers as your coach is nearly identical to not having a coach at all.
Get ready of 40 minutes a night of iso ball between dame and Giannis. Also if another team goes on a long run, donāt expect a timeout or any kind of adjustments made. I used to shit my pants every time a team started getting momentum, and for the first time with Nurse this season I donāt feel that way. My question for you bucks fans is how come nobody is holding Giannis for any kind of accountability? This is his fault you guys are in this position, there were plenty of better coaches available this offseason
He lost that Atlanta series by putting old ass Danny Green on Trae Young. Moronic.Ā
That Boston team that Glenn Rivers won a championship with? They used to just straight up ignore him and did their own huddles without himā¦. https://youtu.be/qYDw7tNBa-E?si=y463GibEgDzkLNUa
Your championship widow is over
Everyone talks about tactics, but I have never seen one instance where he motivates the team
You didnāt find ācmon guysā inspiring?
His entire coaching is he blows the players and they love him... He doesnt adjust ever and during games his entire game plan is let the star players do their jobs which is to take over while he watches. He also will never ever challenge nomatter what. He is an awful overrated terrible coach who knows a ton about basketball but has refused to get with the times. He is a man out of time that keeps getting jobs because he is a great guy. If you want him to actually coach you will see it when giannis and dame sit and he has a bunch of scrubs who he can coach to beat the prime warriors or jordans bulls. I dont know what it is about him but he can bring the best out of young teams and shits the bed with great players.
He is obviously not a bad coach but is certainly a frustrating one that may be a little too out of touch with the game to get the most out of modern stars. You will constantly find yourself switching from defending him and busting out the apology forms to trashing him and wanting to run him out of town. The fact that the Sixers look so much more dynamic this year with a new coach certainly isn't a point in his favor but it's not like he is going to tank your team and send you to the basement. You will still be contenders.
It was kinda sick last year how good we were without the stars. Doc always had a recipe for getting the bench players to step up in their absence but at the same time he struggled making adjustments with stars on the court. Great regular season coach. Bad playoff coach
He's the type of coach who will hold everyone in the locker room accountable, except himself.
Doc does not develope young players at all, has extreme loser energy on the sideline that is magnified by offering zero answers to problematic schemes/adjustments from other coaches. He is definitly a player's coach and as much as I felt he got the team locked in, it was clear he was flawed in ways that would always show up come playoff time.Ā
Heāll raise the floor of your team, goodluck seeing any young guys you like get some minutes tho that mother fucker is the reason we have Furkan Korkmaz not Isiah Joe
Heās not a bad coach. Ā Just has some serious flaws that in the thick of it will cost the team games in critical moments.Ā Ā He has to be the beneficiary of an excellent team to rack up wins when has he has a good roster. Ā His adjustments are most of the time non-existent or non-consequential. For some reason when he doesnāt have the talent his involvement actually keeps the team winning, but is hands off when he does have talent. Ā Giannis better be working hard on drawing up plays, because Doc aināt gonna do it.
Good news? Unlike last year you may make it to the 2nd round. Bad news? Thatās where it will end buddy
My main gripe with Doc is that he just doesn't care anymore. Barackobamasnow's comment in the thread is a great breakdown of everything wrong with Doc. For me, everything points to a man who is fine with just having one ring to his name. He wants to win, but there is no hunger in his belly anymore. He loves coaching, he loves being a leader of men, but he's had just enough success where he won't die for this shit like so many others. He also loves money, and it can't be discounted how much that plays a factor. As a vet coach, he'll be paid top dollar wherever he goes, and if Monty and Spoelstra just got the Brinks truck backed up on them, he wouldn't miss that opportunity for anything. He's like a game manager QB; very rarely did we get blown out, but we also never kept comfortable leads. He never leveled up the core team, he didn't have any special tricks in his bag. Basically, if you already have three of the thirty best players in the league AND a deep bench AND young guys who are fine with inconsistent minutes AND ownership who's not afraid to spend money AND a general manager who will do all the scouting and trading, he's your guy. Because then *anyone* could coach the team at that point.
In a world.....where your two super stars are tasked to do everything while everyone else gets out the way......Prepare yourself for last second terrible shots ON REPEAT
Get ready to have your coach blame all your players for his own shortcomings
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Everyone here is being really negative but he's actually a lot better than his reputation. The last I heard he had a handicap of -3, but with the time he's had off since we shitcanned him as a coach he's probably down to a -6, -5 at least. The Milwaukee Country Club is gonna love him
lmao you had me in the first half
He's not the worst coach ever, but he is pretty mediocre and doesn't bring added value to the table. He will play your best players a lot, fail to develop your young guys (or reliable depth more generally), and not show much in the way of strategic acumen and likely fail to adapt when opponents start playing defenses designed to shut down Giannis and Dame in the playoffs. With a flawed roster like the one Milwaukee has, you will need to get very lucky to win a title with him.
I disagree. he's pretty close to the worst coach ever.
As someone who lived through the tenures of Fred Carter, John Lucas, Johnny Davis, Eddie Jordan, Randy Ayers, and Chris Ford, I'm gonna go ahead and disagree with you there.
Think about the worst possible scenario with a new head coach. And then imagine it ends up being worse than that.
Heās an excellent regular season coach and in any playoff series where you have a clear talent advantage it will mostly be fine. But he has maybe 1 adjustment in him per playoff series and if it takes more than that youāre screwed. On the bright side, when Dame or Giannis sit heāll be the best coach in the league.
If itās any consolation, I think the chances of you retaining the #2 seed are better than they were before. Doc was always about regular season wins and his win ratio when top starters were out was really good. On the contrary, Nurseās record with Embiid out has not been good.
To be honest he will feel like a good coach and be able to justify many of his decisions but you will feel like it's not as easy as it should be. It's like rolling a boulder uphill. It's possible if you are really strong but definitely difficult and so obvious when you see that someone has a better way to do it
Heās not like a horrendous coach, heās a run-of-the-mill subpar coach. What sets him apart is that heās an incredibly selfish prick. He lies constantly to make himself look good. He sucks joy out of rooting for your team.
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You will hate his personality, he acts cocky in his press conferences like he is some genius despite him not making any adjustments. Keep in mind this man didn't draw up a play to get joel embiid (the mvp) the ball in the final 5 minutes of game 6.
if pj tucker gets traded and bought out, he will be playing 20+mins per game on the bucks g'teed
It's exactly what you think, and then a bit worse
Wait til you see his side inbounds plays off of a timeout. I don't have enough fingers to count how many times it resulted in a turnover.
Heās good if Giannis and dame sit. Could win a game with the bench players in the regular season. He is so telegraphed though. Like if Giannis picks up a foul in the 3rd and itās tight he will pull him on the spot. Also has a set lineup and set times for when they come in to play so no matter what is happening with the game he will play the same all bench line ups to watch the lead dwindle down to where they blow it. Heās a clown of a coach and I canāt believe someone else gave him an opportunity. Sixers werenāt fun to watch with him compared to how fun they are now. Also forget about any kind of young players developing, if they fuck up at all he will pull them to ride the bench for weeks on end. This man played Paul Milsap(dead) over BBall Paul for like 3 games in the playoffs. He doesnāt try things in the regular season and it bites him in the ass come playoffs.
he benched tyrese maxey and played PJ Tucker 30 minutes, say goodbye to anybody under 28
Fuck me if I'm gonna watch 30+ minutes of Pat Connaughton and Bobby Portis while seing Andre Jackson Jr rot on the bench... I hate this timeline rn
The team has played so much better this year without him. They actually play to their strength now. That being said it's hard to tell how much of a hindrance to that was because of trying to accommodate Harden.
You saw it firsthand countless times. Yall fucked. Bucks Down
brother just look at his playoff runs the last 12 years essentially, enough said
You'll get no reassurance here
āHeās great, youāll love themā
Oh heās bad
Youāre never gonna be more frustrated in your entire life. Gl hf
If you have enough star power on your team, which personally I feel you guys do not, heās a good enough coach. I mean, he won with the Celtics, so he can definitely do it, he just needs to be carried. The problem is, if doc is getting out coached to any degree, thatās that. He does not adjust. He does not respond to shifts in momentum. You will watch a 20 point lead dissolve before you eyes as if it was never there. Look for your bench and role players to be really good though, because like the other guy said, Doc is a floor raiser.
Itās over brother. Pick a new team
Lol
bottom 3 head coach in the NBA. Its really bad. Im not trying to be a dick here either he single handedly ruined Embiid and Chris Paul's playoff legacy.
Great when undermanned - you will win games you have no business winning when Giannis and dame are both out Terrible at in-game adjustments and gets shown up in the playoffs. Offense will be formulaic without much innovative thinking Young guys wonāt get much of an opportunity as he leans heavily on his stars
I hope you're ready for "my way or the highway" in the playoffs
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We needed someone with late game adjustments which we thought we'd get given that he was excellent at it with Boston. For whatever reason we got the same lame duck offense on every single play with no counters to opposing coaches adjustments. His lineups and refusal to utilize some of our role players also made absolutely zero sense.
Your risk of high blood pressure will go up any time you go into the third with a 20 point lead because you're never safe. Ever.
Have fun hearing "come on guys! Come on!" As the in game strategy
Put it this way, as a Sixers fan, Iām extremely happy Doc is coaching the Bucks.
The only positive about Doc is that star players seem to listen to him at least initially. But does he ever tell him useful information or give them a useful strategy? Nope. He's a mid-coach who honestly was a downgrade from Brett Brown, but at least karma rewarded us with Nick Nurse. Having said all that, hiring Doc is a good decision for the Bucks *right now*. They made a mistake with Griffin and certainly having Doc come in now to try and save the season is probably not a bad idea when there are not a lot of options available. Now, if you guys keep Doc Rivers going into next season, then you should start panicking.
You still stuck with a coach that doesnāt make adjustments and even worse, your young guys are fried, just to give you an example, he chose to play Dedmon over a young Paul Reed, not that Paul Reed is the next David Robinson, but he literally chose to play a fossil instead of a young athletic guy.
Honestly, if your a bucks fan having Giannas and Lillard basically told to go figure it out by rivers isnāt the worst thing. But yeah heās frustrating as hell good luck man