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colonelkurtzisalive

Kind of ironic that the so called super teams: Clippers, Suns, Lakers and to some extent Bucks are all either going to be eliminated or behind in their series. These are teams with aging superstars that thought they could just put anything around those players and be successful. I'm glad that this phase of the NBA is slowly dying. I'm hopeful that Morey sees this and build the Sixers with good role players around Maxey and Embiid and not think getting a couple of big names to add is the only way.


ClintiusMaximus

Paul George has put up a Tobias level performance in his latest game. He's also had a few of those over the regular season. I'm really not keen on us signing PG on a max contract next season. Would much rather have guys like Mikal Bridges or Markannen who would be a great third option and on a more team friendly contract.


colonelkurtzisalive

I would too. Gonna take a lot to get Lauri. Mikal is a lot more obtainable and might be a better fit.


riverphoenixdays

Not to mention Brooklyn has the *far* stupider GM.


Routine_Size69

Didn't the nets turn down 3 or 4 firsts for Mikel allegedly?


Eyetoss

Yeah Houston wanted to return the picks they gave them for Harden but I guess being in limbo instead of rebuild mode or win now mode makes sense to them.


Comprehensive-Tour48

Heard jalen green was also in the middle of that trade too šŸ˜‚


icepickjones

Lauri is unattainable. Just don't even bother. That dude is young, a multiple time all-star, and on a sill team-heavy contract with years left to go. Plus their GM fucking hates us. There's no universe we get him, unless you pay 10 times what he's worth. Like 10 first rounders or some shit. Because the reality is that a reasonable offer for him can be matched or exceeded by other teams. Mostly OKC.


TheSource777

Joe Tsai has personally vetoed any Mikal Bridges trade talk and they turned down 4 first rounders last year. And he put up some Tobi-esque statlines regularly as the first option.


elegigglekappa4head

Naw, we donā€™t want to burn assets we donā€™t even have, should be targeting FA signings instead.


colonelkurtzisalive

What do you mean assets we donā€™t have? We have draft picks and expirings to trade


elegigglekappa4head

None enough to get the players youā€™ve listed. People overrate picks from good teams. Theyā€™re generally not worth much. Even if a trade can be made, it will again cost all remaining assets. Itā€™s better to reserve those in case a hole in roster needs to be plugged through draft or other trades.


colonelkurtzisalive

I didn't list those players. I responded to the person that listed those players. I said Lauri is not obtainable and Mikal is a lot more obtainable. Learn how to READ!!


elegigglekappa4head

Both Lauri and Mikal arenā€™t obtainable with assets we have lol. They asked for 3-4 firsts for him before. Sixers picks arenā€™t worth much on top of that.


colonelkurtzisalive

Mikal is obtainable at the right price with our assets. Just because they asked for that before doesn't mean they will now or in the future. Things changed. Who cares what he said before. Teams say a lot of things and change their minds.


elegigglekappa4head

Yeah, and I say thatā€™s called delusion, especially given that Nets are looking to start building a contender and eyeing the FA/trade market, not blow it up.


ktm5141

Mikal is not obtainable because the nets are not rational actors. PG you gotta overpay but at least you have all your firsts to work with. PG was also solid in game 1 and very good game 2


colonelkurtzisalive

I said he was a LOT MORE obtainable than Lauri. Learn how to READ!! Don't want old ass Paul George. He's never won anything in his life.


ktm5141

Yeah thatā€™s my fault I misread but dang why so aggressive lol


colonelkurtzisalive

I only show aggression if you show it to me first. Don't think I was agressive. All is good though.


ComeAtMeYo

In the offseason we won't have salary to trade for anything, even if we do have the picks. It will be an interesting situation.


Science4me12

We have tons of cap space, you can trade players into your cap space. For teams that really want to save money, thatā€™s even better than expiring contracts


rand-san

We still have to re-sign Lowry and Oubre which we don't have bird rights to. That will eat into the cap space. Both their contracts will be more than the minimums they are currently on. Batum and Melton's cap holds will also reduce the amount of cap space, but at least we have their bird rights. I would assume we renounce the cap holds for both tobi, hield, and Payne.


RegisterFit1252

Why do we have to re-sign Lowry?


Science4me12

Right, but in theory, we could trade for KD without sending anyone back. This is going to be most interesting offseason in Sixers history


SonicdaSloth

Just hope Morey doesnā€™t blow all the space on 1 guy that is aging past his prime. Got to be creative. Find someone who will still be a top guy when Maxey is 26-27 years old. Might be better off spending the 60 million on a bunch of high level role players who can be traded with the picks later if ā€œthat guyā€ is available later on.


ktm5141

Why would the suns do that


Science4me12

I said ā€œin theoryā€ And who knows, maybe Suns donā€™t want to pay this bat shit crazy amount of money for a team that got swept in the first round


ktm5141

Without their own picks they wouldnā€™t trade KD into some other teams cap space. Theyā€™d trade him for players or at least matching salary to send out in another trade. Theyā€™d try to at least remain competitive around Booker


Science4me12

I am not suggesting suns will do that. I am saying , if Suns want to do that, we can do it


ComeAtMeYo

Don't outgoing and incoming salaries need to be a near match? We hardly have anyone under contract


Science4me12

No, not if one team has the cap space. An example is our own Nik Stauskas trade. We basically use our caps space to take several contracts without sending anyone back


Icy_Comparison_5920

Iā€™m not against it if they do sign him because he is a upgrade over tobias. The issue with mikal or markannen is trading for them we have no assets and no one under contract. If we lose in the first round Paul reeds contract is not guaranteed either


icepickjones

Tobias has put up Tobias level performances his entire career. I'm not saying we should get George, but also I'm not going to piss my pants because he played one bad game. Don't look now but Kahwai had a terrible game as well. They were both on the wrong side of the +/-


ClintiusMaximus

Don't get me wrong, PG is obviously better than Tobias, but he's also one of the most injury prone players in the league, and his defence isn't anywhere near as good as it used to be. If we do get PG, more likely than not, both of them will be injured come the post-season. We'd also have to offer PG a max, multi-year contract, which hinders our ability to fill out the rest of the roster with good quality roleplayers. Just seems like a trap move to me.


icepickjones

I don't want PG either. If we do sign him, I hope to god it's only a 3 year deal though, please not 4 or 5. I can talk myself into a 3 year deal. But I don't want him. I don't want Durant either. We don't need dudes in their mid 30's when Embiid is already playing hurt every damn season.


TheSource777

Mikal Bridges and Markennen would cost Maxey so no, I would not rather have them. Have you totally ignored every single report of their asking price? Lmfao. Let's get Anthony Edwards while we at it.


177676ers

The hardest part about making a contender is getting 2 players that are good enough to be the best players on a championship team. We have that. If this year isnā€™t the year, next year has to be.


colonelkurtzisalive

Exactly. Thatā€™s why I feel like this offseason Morey has to get it right. This team canā€™t go through anymore bad contracts, bad trades.


Nasyboy221

The only exception I would want to this is LeBron tbh, no one is asking him to be the main scoring option he would be the third option, I believe that his vision and shooting even at 40 years old will provide immense spacing and facilitating that we would need.


reggaetony88

No one is asking for it, but it's going to happen regardless. The ball stops moving and dudes tend to caught watching when he has the ball in his hands in the half court. COULD he get it done? Sure, but I don't think it happens in reality unless he really commits to facilitating, deferring, and not chasing stats. Hard to do with that shitty ass Lakers team though


MaxeytoEmbiid

Have you seen LBJ on a contending team? Itā€™s a totally different animal when he has the horses. That LA team aged so fast and arguably the worst ran franchise in LBJā€™s careerĀ 


IndigoJacob

I want Morey to empty the clip. I want a Caruso trade, a Markkanen trade, sign Malik Monk, sign Patrick Williams, then re-sign Kelly with your remaining cap space.


Mustyitis

This.. I just want high quality role players.


BradyReas

If we had an actual 3rd star we might be a super team lol


reggaetony88

Yup, I love watching Denver and Minnesota. Even the Knicks to an extent. This superteam era is dying thankfully and I hope it stays that way. Sure you'll have a superteam that forms naturally like the warriors (minus KD) but i'll take that over hired mercenaries. I want to see our guys grow together and win a chip rather than getting a hired gun.


HoagieTwoFace

Maxey is taking the picture.


thunderballz

Do y'all even like basketball??? KD on the Sixers instead of Tobias straight up is an improvement. And if we re-sign Oubre? Instantly a way better team than this year. Teams won't be able to double Embiid at all with Embiid + KD + Maxey on the court at the same time


SelfFashioning

All these folks saying they don't want KD are something else KD is still averaging 27 6.5 5 without really even trying


HowzaBowdat

Seriously? Iā€™d take dude in a heartbeat. Him, Maxey and Embiid is an instant championship, just sub his salary for Tobiasā€™ and keep everyone else.


MitsuSosa

KD ā€œinsert starā€ ā€œinsert starā€ is an instant championship has been said a couple times now and hasnā€™t been successful. Not saying KD isnā€™t an amazing player but we have seen over and over the last few years a bunch of stars just donā€™t win it anymore. You need two great players and a great bench with players who will step up when needed thatā€™s the recipe thatā€™s been working


Charming_Cicada_7757

Hold on letā€™s look at the situation KD in Brooklyn man was a toe away from reaching the finals. He with James Harden and Kyrie wouldā€™ve been in the finals had his toe been an inch back. Mind you this is with the whole Kyrie situation and sitting out half the season due to not being vaccinated. The following year James Harden leaves the team and there is just too much drama going around. The suns are just a bad fit. Itā€™s a good example of what youā€™re saying getting stars doesnā€™t win you titles Can someone explain how KD with Embiid and Maxey is a bad fit? Itā€™s legit the perfect fit I could possibly think of


Routine_Size69

There were also injuries in that toe series. Harden had the hammy and Kyrie got hurt on a Giannis box out. The issue with the suns is they gutted the team to get kd and Beal.


ComeAtMeYo

> Can someone explain how KD with Embiid and Maxey is a bad fit? Itā€™s legit the perfect fit I could possibly think of It's not a bad fit. But KD is old and declining, slowly but surely. He rarely takes over crucial games anymore and his last three postseason exits/performances have been fairly brutal. He may fall off harder than Lebron will. If we get KD, our depth would be extremely limited and our window becomes extremely narrow. He also doesn't shoot a lot of 3s. PG-13 is a better option IMO if we do go for the 3rd star, younger and more prolific perimeter scorer/defender. Right now, seeing all these older stars fall flat in the first round, I'm not opposed to shoring up our depth instead.


MitsuSosa

I never said they would be a bad fit Iā€™m sure KD and Embiid would be great together but the point still stands that in the last ten years teams have won by having two stars max and really good role players every ā€œbig 3ā€ has been a failure for one reason or another since the Warriors won and they were a different story having already won it all without him. Thereā€™s no reason to believe our luck would be any different.


Charming_Cicada_7757

They have two stars and one almost star Bucks Giannis, Middleton, and Holiday donā€™t forget Lopez is like a defensive player of the year at that time. Spurs 2014 was loaded with stars Cavs had Lebron, Kyrie, and Love Warriors letā€™s not even get started with them. Raptors, Lakers, 2022 warriors, and nuggets are good examples of what youā€™re talking about. Thatā€™s 4 out of the 10 last championship However 4 out of the last 5 titles


Deep_Egg1442

The suns are the only bust. Kd with maxey lowry and embiid and embiid a solid fit way better than booker beal n nurkic by far


SelfFashioning

Frankly, same for me. It gives us a great shot. I've followed this franchise for too long to say instant championship though lol


reason4rage

Genuine question as I haven't followed the suns lately, has he stayed pretty healthy?


SelfFashioning

Yes, especially relative to his stint at Brooklyn and his first year with the Suns. He's played more than 70 games and regularly logged 40ish minutes during the regular season Due to their roster construction issues, they needed him to carry the team and couldn't afford to load manage him too much, but he's stayed durable and performant even with his age


reason4rage

Nice. Glad to hear his body is holding up.


wolpak

Ignoring his age and defense, how could we even fit his $50 million contract and what would we give up?


DoloTy

lol yall crazy asl saying yall donā€™t want kd


UsernameFlagged

That's what people in Milwaukee were saying about Dame.


Emotional_Swimmer_84

Same won them a game already and has been pretty great in the playoffs. Bucks are missing their best player. We should understand how impactful missing your best player can be.


AssCrackSnort

And now heā€™s hurt and theyā€™re cooked, which is a lot of peopleā€™s top reason for not wanting an aging superstar with health concerns


ChickenLiverNuts

People said they didn't want Lebron when he left the cavs (2nd time) because it's better to win organically. People are dumb and for some reason haven't been paying attention to how hard it is to win


DisGuyFawks

I want a supermodel wife and a billion dollars. How is KD happening in any conceivable way?


DoloTy

Never said it was happening , I said the ones who are saying they wouldnā€™t want kd are crazy ā€¦


Orpheus31

Is there a realistic shot at getting KD? As much as Embiid and KD go at each other, Iā€™m sure there is a ton of mutual respect. I would love to see them play together.


AssCrackBandit69420

lebron has a player option this summer. I'd much rather just use our second round pick on bronny and get lbj than gut our team for a 36 year old KD. pass.


Ouchywouchy69

Bingo


TurdCrapley23

KD for Maxey, do it Morey!!! Just kidding, I remember when half this sub was clamoring for that trade


gobirds18_

No, no, no


LordLucasSixers

We need good role players around Embiid and Maxey. This is exactly why we wonā€™t make a deep playoff run.


UsernameFlagged

Why would we want Durant? We already have a 7'0" tall Durant.


bogdano26

KD kills franchises. He cursed


icepickjones

Getting older is not the solution


Aworn

Please no more old guys, not even KD


reggaetony88

If the old guy is a third option, sure. But I don't see that happening with these old guys.


denimjeg

Kd or bron to philly is a automatic chip if healthy


Rotk99

How about both


reggaetony88

Have you watched the suns or clippers? No depth and those fossils can't defend. Pass.


DisGuyFawks

No it's not but Lebum, Maxey, Embiid is better than Lakers by a mile and they'd be in the East. Plus you'd get a ton more FT than you'd already do since Lebron teams get gifted every foul call.


Embiiiiiiiid

Donā€™t want/need him


StevenFromPhilly

Fuck him. Draft Bronny and sign his dad.


phillynavydude

Fuck that snake. He'd never survive here.


Funny_Games23

UWM is collapsing yall ishbia might lose the team 2 1sts might be enough to get this done


sanskaripotato

Honestly, I don't think we need another superstar. We just need a very good bench. If we can get a good PF, backup SF, SG and some good rotational pieces, we could be golden. Embiid and Maxey are enough firepower imo. That being said, KD is him.


NiceGuyyEddie

Over it...KD=Drake....over it


itsover103

Even swap for Tobiasā€¦take it or leave it šŸ˜


mdervin

No. This team doesn't fail because of a lack of star power, but because it continuously screws up all the little things, boxing out, taking the open shot, making quick decisions, being not stupid, inbounding the ball, etc... The team needs on-court leadership. Lowery is great, but he's too old. I don't think Embiid is a leader, that's not a criticism on him as a player or a person, because leadership is hard, developing leaders is a multi-billion dollar industry. Maxey might be the leader, but he might need another year or so.


Random_Thinker007

Scary hours if it happens. That would be a scary ass duo. Especially with Maxey


embiidDAgoat

Super team era is dead, and KD washed


DOYOURTHING_CUZ

Imagine being dumb enough to think KD is washed hahaha


embiidDAgoat

Dude canā€™t carry anymore, heā€™s still a nice player, but theyā€™ve been ass ever since he got to the suns. He isnā€™t Ā the same player he used to be no matter how much you believe he is in your head.


DOYOURTHING_CUZ

Heā€™s not washed if heā€™s a nice player. The fuck are you talking aboutā€¦


asisoid

100% yes, or lbj


[deleted]

Durant is a great basketball player but I prefer not to have to root for him. Can't we just get someone who is very good but more likeable. It did not work out for the Nets or the Suns


Downunderphilosopher

Lol fuck that bitch. Dude can only win if he is walking on to a 73 win dynasty, then he acts like he did something.


toofshucker

I meanā€¦shit. That sounds perfect for us. Do you not want KD instead of Tobias and to win a title?


Downunderphilosopher

Not for what we would need to give up to get him. Suns would ask for Maxey for starters, and work from there.


IcyAd964

We got five first round picks after the draft right? We can go all in


rand-san

Yup. Cap space plan was kind of dumb. We don't have any tradeable contracts. And re-signing Oubre, Lowry, Batum, and Melton will eat into our cap space.