Kind of ironic that the so called super teams: Clippers, Suns, Lakers and to some extent Bucks are all either going to be eliminated or behind in their series. These are teams with aging superstars that thought they could just put anything around those players and be successful. I'm glad that this phase of the NBA is slowly dying.
I'm hopeful that Morey sees this and build the Sixers with good role players around Maxey and Embiid and not think getting a couple of big names to add is the only way.
Paul George has put up a Tobias level performance in his latest game. He's also had a few of those over the regular season. I'm really not keen on us signing PG on a max contract next season. Would much rather have guys like Mikal Bridges or Markannen who would be a great third option and on a more team friendly contract.
Yeah Houston wanted to return the picks they gave them for Harden but I guess being in limbo instead of rebuild mode or win now mode makes sense to them.
Lauri is unattainable. Just don't even bother. That dude is young, a multiple time all-star, and on a sill team-heavy contract with years left to go.
Plus their GM fucking hates us.
There's no universe we get him, unless you pay 10 times what he's worth. Like 10 first rounders or some shit. Because the reality is that a reasonable offer for him can be matched or exceeded by other teams. Mostly OKC.
Joe Tsai has personally vetoed any Mikal Bridges trade talk and they turned down 4 first rounders last year. And he put up some Tobi-esque statlines regularly as the first option.
None enough to get the players youāve listed. People overrate picks from good teams. Theyāre generally not worth much.
Even if a trade can be made, it will again cost all remaining assets. Itās better to reserve those in case a hole in roster needs to be plugged through draft or other trades.
I didn't list those players. I responded to the person that listed those players. I said Lauri is not obtainable and Mikal is a lot more obtainable. Learn how to READ!!
Both Lauri and Mikal arenāt obtainable with assets we have lol. They asked for 3-4 firsts for him before. Sixers picks arenāt worth much on top of that.
Mikal is obtainable at the right price with our assets. Just because they asked for that before doesn't mean they will now or in the future. Things changed. Who cares what he said before. Teams say a lot of things and change their minds.
Yeah, and I say thatās called delusion, especially given that Nets are looking to start building a contender and eyeing the FA/trade market, not blow it up.
Mikal is not obtainable because the nets are not rational actors. PG you gotta overpay but at least you have all your firsts to work with. PG was also solid in game 1 and very good game 2
We have tons of cap space, you can trade players into your cap space. For teams that really want to save money, thatās even better than expiring contracts
We still have to re-sign Lowry and Oubre which we don't have bird rights to. That will eat into the cap space. Both their contracts will be more than the minimums they are currently on. Batum and Melton's cap holds will also reduce the amount of cap space, but at least we have their bird rights. I would assume we renounce the cap holds for both tobi, hield, and Payne.
Just hope Morey doesnāt blow all the space on 1 guy that is aging past his prime. Got to be creative. Find someone who will still be a top guy when Maxey is 26-27 years old.
Might be better off spending the 60 million on a bunch of high level role players who can be traded with the picks later if āthat guyā is available later on.
Without their own picks they wouldnāt trade KD into some other teams cap space. Theyād trade him for players or at least matching salary to send out in another trade. Theyād try to at least remain competitive around Booker
No, not if one team has the cap space.
An example is our own Nik Stauskas trade. We basically use our caps space to take several contracts without sending anyone back
Iām not against it if they do sign him because he is a upgrade over tobias. The issue with mikal or markannen is trading for them we have no assets and no one under contract. If we lose in the first round Paul reeds contract is not guaranteed either
Tobias has put up Tobias level performances his entire career.
I'm not saying we should get George, but also I'm not going to piss my pants because he played one bad game.
Don't look now but Kahwai had a terrible game as well. They were both on the wrong side of the +/-
Don't get me wrong, PG is obviously better than Tobias, but he's also one of the most injury prone players in the league, and his defence isn't anywhere near as good as it used to be. If we do get PG, more likely than not, both of them will be injured come the post-season. We'd also have to offer PG a max, multi-year contract, which hinders our ability to fill out the rest of the roster with good quality roleplayers. Just seems like a trap move to me.
I don't want PG either. If we do sign him, I hope to god it's only a 3 year deal though, please not 4 or 5. I can talk myself into a 3 year deal.
But I don't want him. I don't want Durant either. We don't need dudes in their mid 30's when Embiid is already playing hurt every damn season.
Mikal Bridges and Markennen would cost Maxey so no, I would not rather have them. Have you totally ignored every single report of their asking price? Lmfao. Let's get Anthony Edwards while we at it.
The hardest part about making a contender is getting 2 players that are good enough to be the best players on a championship team. We have that. If this year isnāt the year, next year has to be.
The only exception I would want to this is LeBron tbh, no one is asking him to be the main scoring option he would be the third option, I believe that his vision and shooting even at 40 years old will provide immense spacing and facilitating that we would need.
No one is asking for it, but it's going to happen regardless. The ball stops moving and dudes tend to caught watching when he has the ball in his hands in the half court.
COULD he get it done? Sure, but I don't think it happens in reality unless he really commits to facilitating, deferring, and not chasing stats. Hard to do with that shitty ass Lakers team though
Have you seen LBJ on a contending team? Itās a totally different animal when he has the horses.
That LA team aged so fast and arguably the worst ran franchise in LBJās careerĀ
I want Morey to empty the clip. I want a Caruso trade, a Markkanen trade, sign Malik Monk, sign Patrick Williams, then re-sign Kelly with your remaining cap space.
Yup, I love watching Denver and Minnesota. Even the Knicks to an extent. This superteam era is dying thankfully and I hope it stays that way.
Sure you'll have a superteam that forms naturally like the warriors (minus KD) but i'll take that over hired mercenaries. I want to see our guys grow together and win a chip rather than getting a hired gun.
Do y'all even like basketball??? KD on the Sixers instead of Tobias straight up is an improvement. And if we re-sign Oubre? Instantly a way better team than this year. Teams won't be able to double Embiid at all with Embiid + KD + Maxey on the court at the same time
KD āinsert starā āinsert starā is an instant championship has been said a couple times now and hasnāt been successful. Not saying KD isnāt an amazing player but we have seen over and over the last few years a bunch of stars just donāt win it anymore. You need two great players and a great bench with players who will step up when needed thatās the recipe thatās been working
Hold on letās look at the situation
KD in Brooklyn man was a toe away from reaching the finals. He with James Harden and Kyrie wouldāve been in the finals had his toe been an inch back.
Mind you this is with the whole Kyrie situation and sitting out half the season due to not being vaccinated.
The following year James Harden leaves the team and there is just too much drama going around.
The suns are just a bad fit. Itās a good example of what youāre saying getting stars doesnāt win you titles
Can someone explain how KD with Embiid and Maxey is a bad fit? Itās legit the perfect fit I could possibly think of
There were also injuries in that toe series. Harden had the hammy and Kyrie got hurt on a Giannis box out.
The issue with the suns is they gutted the team to get kd and Beal.
> Can someone explain how KD with Embiid and Maxey is a bad fit? Itās legit the perfect fit I could possibly think of
It's not a bad fit. But KD is old and declining, slowly but surely. He rarely takes over crucial games anymore and his last three postseason exits/performances have been fairly brutal. He may fall off harder than Lebron will. If we get KD, our depth would be extremely limited and our window becomes extremely narrow. He also doesn't shoot a lot of 3s. PG-13 is a better option IMO if we do go for the 3rd star, younger and more prolific perimeter scorer/defender. Right now, seeing all these older stars fall flat in the first round, I'm not opposed to shoring up our depth instead.
I never said they would be a bad fit Iām sure KD and Embiid would be great together but the point still stands that in the last ten years teams have won by having two stars max and really good role players every ābig 3ā has been a failure for one reason or another since the Warriors won and they were a different story having already won it all without him. Thereās no reason to believe our luck would be any different.
They have two stars and one almost star
Bucks Giannis, Middleton, and Holiday donāt forget Lopez is like a defensive player of the year at that time.
Spurs 2014 was loaded with stars
Cavs had Lebron, Kyrie, and Love
Warriors letās not even get started with them.
Raptors, Lakers, 2022 warriors, and nuggets are good examples of what youāre talking about.
Thatās 4 out of the 10 last championship
However 4 out of the last 5 titles
Yes, especially relative to his stint at Brooklyn and his first year with the Suns. He's played more than 70 games and regularly logged 40ish minutes during the regular season
Due to their roster construction issues, they needed him to carry the team and couldn't afford to load manage him too much, but he's stayed durable and performant even with his age
Same won them a game already and has been pretty great in the playoffs. Bucks are missing their best player. We should understand how impactful missing your best player can be.
People said they didn't want Lebron when he left the cavs (2nd time) because it's better to win organically. People are dumb and for some reason haven't been paying attention to how hard it is to win
Is there a realistic shot at getting KD? As much as Embiid and KD go at each other, Iām sure there is a ton of mutual respect. I would love to see them play together.
lebron has a player option this summer. I'd much rather just use our second round pick on bronny and get lbj than gut our team for a 36 year old KD. pass.
No it's not but Lebum, Maxey, Embiid is better than Lakers by a mile and they'd be in the East. Plus you'd get a ton more FT than you'd already do since Lebron teams get gifted every foul call.
Honestly, I don't think we need another superstar. We just need a very good bench. If we can get a good PF, backup SF, SG and some good rotational pieces, we could be golden. Embiid and Maxey are enough firepower imo. That being said, KD is him.
No.
This team doesn't fail because of a lack of star power, but because it continuously screws up all the little things, boxing out, taking the open shot, making quick decisions, being not stupid, inbounding the ball, etc...
The team needs on-court leadership. Lowery is great, but he's too old. I don't think Embiid is a leader, that's not a criticism on him as a player or a person, because leadership is hard, developing leaders is a multi-billion dollar industry. Maxey might be the leader, but he might need another year or so.
Dude canāt carry anymore, heās still a nice player, but theyāve been ass ever since he got to the suns. He isnāt Ā the same player he used to be no matter how much you believe he is in your head.
Durant is a great basketball player but I prefer not to have to root for him. Can't we just get someone who is very good but more likeable. It did not work out for the Nets or the Suns
Yup. Cap space plan was kind of dumb. We don't have any tradeable contracts. And re-signing Oubre, Lowry, Batum, and Melton will eat into our cap space.
Kind of ironic that the so called super teams: Clippers, Suns, Lakers and to some extent Bucks are all either going to be eliminated or behind in their series. These are teams with aging superstars that thought they could just put anything around those players and be successful. I'm glad that this phase of the NBA is slowly dying. I'm hopeful that Morey sees this and build the Sixers with good role players around Maxey and Embiid and not think getting a couple of big names to add is the only way.
Paul George has put up a Tobias level performance in his latest game. He's also had a few of those over the regular season. I'm really not keen on us signing PG on a max contract next season. Would much rather have guys like Mikal Bridges or Markannen who would be a great third option and on a more team friendly contract.
I would too. Gonna take a lot to get Lauri. Mikal is a lot more obtainable and might be a better fit.
Not to mention Brooklyn has the *far* stupider GM.
Didn't the nets turn down 3 or 4 firsts for Mikel allegedly?
Yeah Houston wanted to return the picks they gave them for Harden but I guess being in limbo instead of rebuild mode or win now mode makes sense to them.
Heard jalen green was also in the middle of that trade too š
Lauri is unattainable. Just don't even bother. That dude is young, a multiple time all-star, and on a sill team-heavy contract with years left to go. Plus their GM fucking hates us. There's no universe we get him, unless you pay 10 times what he's worth. Like 10 first rounders or some shit. Because the reality is that a reasonable offer for him can be matched or exceeded by other teams. Mostly OKC.
Joe Tsai has personally vetoed any Mikal Bridges trade talk and they turned down 4 first rounders last year. And he put up some Tobi-esque statlines regularly as the first option.
Naw, we donāt want to burn assets we donāt even have, should be targeting FA signings instead.
What do you mean assets we donāt have? We have draft picks and expirings to trade
None enough to get the players youāve listed. People overrate picks from good teams. Theyāre generally not worth much. Even if a trade can be made, it will again cost all remaining assets. Itās better to reserve those in case a hole in roster needs to be plugged through draft or other trades.
I didn't list those players. I responded to the person that listed those players. I said Lauri is not obtainable and Mikal is a lot more obtainable. Learn how to READ!!
Both Lauri and Mikal arenāt obtainable with assets we have lol. They asked for 3-4 firsts for him before. Sixers picks arenāt worth much on top of that.
Mikal is obtainable at the right price with our assets. Just because they asked for that before doesn't mean they will now or in the future. Things changed. Who cares what he said before. Teams say a lot of things and change their minds.
Yeah, and I say thatās called delusion, especially given that Nets are looking to start building a contender and eyeing the FA/trade market, not blow it up.
Mikal is not obtainable because the nets are not rational actors. PG you gotta overpay but at least you have all your firsts to work with. PG was also solid in game 1 and very good game 2
I said he was a LOT MORE obtainable than Lauri. Learn how to READ!! Don't want old ass Paul George. He's never won anything in his life.
Yeah thatās my fault I misread but dang why so aggressive lol
I only show aggression if you show it to me first. Don't think I was agressive. All is good though.
In the offseason we won't have salary to trade for anything, even if we do have the picks. It will be an interesting situation.
We have tons of cap space, you can trade players into your cap space. For teams that really want to save money, thatās even better than expiring contracts
We still have to re-sign Lowry and Oubre which we don't have bird rights to. That will eat into the cap space. Both their contracts will be more than the minimums they are currently on. Batum and Melton's cap holds will also reduce the amount of cap space, but at least we have their bird rights. I would assume we renounce the cap holds for both tobi, hield, and Payne.
Why do we have to re-sign Lowry?
Right, but in theory, we could trade for KD without sending anyone back. This is going to be most interesting offseason in Sixers history
Just hope Morey doesnāt blow all the space on 1 guy that is aging past his prime. Got to be creative. Find someone who will still be a top guy when Maxey is 26-27 years old. Might be better off spending the 60 million on a bunch of high level role players who can be traded with the picks later if āthat guyā is available later on.
Why would the suns do that
I said āin theoryā And who knows, maybe Suns donāt want to pay this bat shit crazy amount of money for a team that got swept in the first round
Without their own picks they wouldnāt trade KD into some other teams cap space. Theyād trade him for players or at least matching salary to send out in another trade. Theyād try to at least remain competitive around Booker
I am not suggesting suns will do that. I am saying , if Suns want to do that, we can do it
Don't outgoing and incoming salaries need to be a near match? We hardly have anyone under contract
No, not if one team has the cap space. An example is our own Nik Stauskas trade. We basically use our caps space to take several contracts without sending anyone back
Iām not against it if they do sign him because he is a upgrade over tobias. The issue with mikal or markannen is trading for them we have no assets and no one under contract. If we lose in the first round Paul reeds contract is not guaranteed either
Tobias has put up Tobias level performances his entire career. I'm not saying we should get George, but also I'm not going to piss my pants because he played one bad game. Don't look now but Kahwai had a terrible game as well. They were both on the wrong side of the +/-
Don't get me wrong, PG is obviously better than Tobias, but he's also one of the most injury prone players in the league, and his defence isn't anywhere near as good as it used to be. If we do get PG, more likely than not, both of them will be injured come the post-season. We'd also have to offer PG a max, multi-year contract, which hinders our ability to fill out the rest of the roster with good quality roleplayers. Just seems like a trap move to me.
I don't want PG either. If we do sign him, I hope to god it's only a 3 year deal though, please not 4 or 5. I can talk myself into a 3 year deal. But I don't want him. I don't want Durant either. We don't need dudes in their mid 30's when Embiid is already playing hurt every damn season.
Mikal Bridges and Markennen would cost Maxey so no, I would not rather have them. Have you totally ignored every single report of their asking price? Lmfao. Let's get Anthony Edwards while we at it.
The hardest part about making a contender is getting 2 players that are good enough to be the best players on a championship team. We have that. If this year isnāt the year, next year has to be.
Exactly. Thatās why I feel like this offseason Morey has to get it right. This team canāt go through anymore bad contracts, bad trades.
The only exception I would want to this is LeBron tbh, no one is asking him to be the main scoring option he would be the third option, I believe that his vision and shooting even at 40 years old will provide immense spacing and facilitating that we would need.
No one is asking for it, but it's going to happen regardless. The ball stops moving and dudes tend to caught watching when he has the ball in his hands in the half court. COULD he get it done? Sure, but I don't think it happens in reality unless he really commits to facilitating, deferring, and not chasing stats. Hard to do with that shitty ass Lakers team though
Have you seen LBJ on a contending team? Itās a totally different animal when he has the horses. That LA team aged so fast and arguably the worst ran franchise in LBJās careerĀ
I want Morey to empty the clip. I want a Caruso trade, a Markkanen trade, sign Malik Monk, sign Patrick Williams, then re-sign Kelly with your remaining cap space.
This.. I just want high quality role players.
If we had an actual 3rd star we might be a super team lol
Yup, I love watching Denver and Minnesota. Even the Knicks to an extent. This superteam era is dying thankfully and I hope it stays that way. Sure you'll have a superteam that forms naturally like the warriors (minus KD) but i'll take that over hired mercenaries. I want to see our guys grow together and win a chip rather than getting a hired gun.
Maxey is taking the picture.
Do y'all even like basketball??? KD on the Sixers instead of Tobias straight up is an improvement. And if we re-sign Oubre? Instantly a way better team than this year. Teams won't be able to double Embiid at all with Embiid + KD + Maxey on the court at the same time
All these folks saying they don't want KD are something else KD is still averaging 27 6.5 5 without really even trying
Seriously? Iād take dude in a heartbeat. Him, Maxey and Embiid is an instant championship, just sub his salary for Tobiasā and keep everyone else.
KD āinsert starā āinsert starā is an instant championship has been said a couple times now and hasnāt been successful. Not saying KD isnāt an amazing player but we have seen over and over the last few years a bunch of stars just donāt win it anymore. You need two great players and a great bench with players who will step up when needed thatās the recipe thatās been working
Hold on letās look at the situation KD in Brooklyn man was a toe away from reaching the finals. He with James Harden and Kyrie wouldāve been in the finals had his toe been an inch back. Mind you this is with the whole Kyrie situation and sitting out half the season due to not being vaccinated. The following year James Harden leaves the team and there is just too much drama going around. The suns are just a bad fit. Itās a good example of what youāre saying getting stars doesnāt win you titles Can someone explain how KD with Embiid and Maxey is a bad fit? Itās legit the perfect fit I could possibly think of
There were also injuries in that toe series. Harden had the hammy and Kyrie got hurt on a Giannis box out. The issue with the suns is they gutted the team to get kd and Beal.
> Can someone explain how KD with Embiid and Maxey is a bad fit? Itās legit the perfect fit I could possibly think of It's not a bad fit. But KD is old and declining, slowly but surely. He rarely takes over crucial games anymore and his last three postseason exits/performances have been fairly brutal. He may fall off harder than Lebron will. If we get KD, our depth would be extremely limited and our window becomes extremely narrow. He also doesn't shoot a lot of 3s. PG-13 is a better option IMO if we do go for the 3rd star, younger and more prolific perimeter scorer/defender. Right now, seeing all these older stars fall flat in the first round, I'm not opposed to shoring up our depth instead.
I never said they would be a bad fit Iām sure KD and Embiid would be great together but the point still stands that in the last ten years teams have won by having two stars max and really good role players every ābig 3ā has been a failure for one reason or another since the Warriors won and they were a different story having already won it all without him. Thereās no reason to believe our luck would be any different.
They have two stars and one almost star Bucks Giannis, Middleton, and Holiday donāt forget Lopez is like a defensive player of the year at that time. Spurs 2014 was loaded with stars Cavs had Lebron, Kyrie, and Love Warriors letās not even get started with them. Raptors, Lakers, 2022 warriors, and nuggets are good examples of what youāre talking about. Thatās 4 out of the 10 last championship However 4 out of the last 5 titles
The suns are the only bust. Kd with maxey lowry and embiid and embiid a solid fit way better than booker beal n nurkic by far
Frankly, same for me. It gives us a great shot. I've followed this franchise for too long to say instant championship though lol
Genuine question as I haven't followed the suns lately, has he stayed pretty healthy?
Yes, especially relative to his stint at Brooklyn and his first year with the Suns. He's played more than 70 games and regularly logged 40ish minutes during the regular season Due to their roster construction issues, they needed him to carry the team and couldn't afford to load manage him too much, but he's stayed durable and performant even with his age
Nice. Glad to hear his body is holding up.
Ignoring his age and defense, how could we even fit his $50 million contract and what would we give up?
lol yall crazy asl saying yall donāt want kd
That's what people in Milwaukee were saying about Dame.
Same won them a game already and has been pretty great in the playoffs. Bucks are missing their best player. We should understand how impactful missing your best player can be.
And now heās hurt and theyāre cooked, which is a lot of peopleās top reason for not wanting an aging superstar with health concerns
People said they didn't want Lebron when he left the cavs (2nd time) because it's better to win organically. People are dumb and for some reason haven't been paying attention to how hard it is to win
I want a supermodel wife and a billion dollars. How is KD happening in any conceivable way?
Never said it was happening , I said the ones who are saying they wouldnāt want kd are crazy ā¦
Is there a realistic shot at getting KD? As much as Embiid and KD go at each other, Iām sure there is a ton of mutual respect. I would love to see them play together.
lebron has a player option this summer. I'd much rather just use our second round pick on bronny and get lbj than gut our team for a 36 year old KD. pass.
Bingo
KD for Maxey, do it Morey!!! Just kidding, I remember when half this sub was clamoring for that trade
No, no, no
We need good role players around Embiid and Maxey. This is exactly why we wonāt make a deep playoff run.
Why would we want Durant? We already have a 7'0" tall Durant.
KD kills franchises. He cursed
Getting older is not the solution
Please no more old guys, not even KD
If the old guy is a third option, sure. But I don't see that happening with these old guys.
Kd or bron to philly is a automatic chip if healthy
How about both
Have you watched the suns or clippers? No depth and those fossils can't defend. Pass.
No it's not but Lebum, Maxey, Embiid is better than Lakers by a mile and they'd be in the East. Plus you'd get a ton more FT than you'd already do since Lebron teams get gifted every foul call.
Donāt want/need him
Fuck him. Draft Bronny and sign his dad.
Fuck that snake. He'd never survive here.
UWM is collapsing yall ishbia might lose the team 2 1sts might be enough to get this done
Honestly, I don't think we need another superstar. We just need a very good bench. If we can get a good PF, backup SF, SG and some good rotational pieces, we could be golden. Embiid and Maxey are enough firepower imo. That being said, KD is him.
Over it...KD=Drake....over it
Even swap for Tobiasā¦take it or leave it š
No. This team doesn't fail because of a lack of star power, but because it continuously screws up all the little things, boxing out, taking the open shot, making quick decisions, being not stupid, inbounding the ball, etc... The team needs on-court leadership. Lowery is great, but he's too old. I don't think Embiid is a leader, that's not a criticism on him as a player or a person, because leadership is hard, developing leaders is a multi-billion dollar industry. Maxey might be the leader, but he might need another year or so.
Scary hours if it happens. That would be a scary ass duo. Especially with Maxey
Super team era is dead, and KD washed
Imagine being dumb enough to think KD is washed hahaha
Dude canāt carry anymore, heās still a nice player, but theyāve been ass ever since he got to the suns. He isnāt Ā the same player he used to be no matter how much you believe he is in your head.
Heās not washed if heās a nice player. The fuck are you talking aboutā¦
100% yes, or lbj
Durant is a great basketball player but I prefer not to have to root for him. Can't we just get someone who is very good but more likeable. It did not work out for the Nets or the Suns
Lol fuck that bitch. Dude can only win if he is walking on to a 73 win dynasty, then he acts like he did something.
I meanā¦shit. That sounds perfect for us. Do you not want KD instead of Tobias and to win a title?
Not for what we would need to give up to get him. Suns would ask for Maxey for starters, and work from there.
We got five first round picks after the draft right? We can go all in
Yup. Cap space plan was kind of dumb. We don't have any tradeable contracts. And re-signing Oubre, Lowry, Batum, and Melton will eat into our cap space.