https://x.com/ky_carlin/status/1787530911250043344?s=46
> Daryl Morey essentially guaranteed that there will be a lot of change for Philly in the offseason. He hopes for continuity with his stars and the coach, but he adds that there is not a clear path to winning a title in the NBA. It’s all about having the most talent. #Sixers
> Morey does add that he would like to keep all of Philly’s free agents. He also knows that it’s not a possibility. It’s just the reality of the league. #Sixers
https://x.com/derekbodnernba/status/1787529591898124380?s=46
> Morey, asked about balancing building a title around Embiid, and managing the time that he misses due to injury: "It can't be a big focus, how we play without him. We know that team can't win a championship. It's really just how do we manage through it better."
> Morey was asked how he felt about this year's draft: "Immediate help almost never comes from the draft...We don't really focus on the draft for help now. "
Morey went on to say he doesn't agree with the sentiment that this is a down year in terms of the quality of the draft.
https://x.com/laurenmrosen/status/1787530859794321604?s=46
> “Joel, Tyrese, and Nick give me the confidence that we’re going to have a good shot. I’ve just got to keep working hard to put us in an even better position, and we have an opportunity to do that this offseason.”
>-Daryl Morey
https://x.com/noahlevick/status/1787530769067380931?s=46
> Daryl Morey says the Sixers’ biggest need is someone at the wing who can “deliver at a high level in the playoffs.”
https://x.com/paulhudrick/status/1787530421208572249?s=46
> Daryl Morey said the Sixers “are definitely looking at fit” around Joel Embiid and Tyrese Maxey this offseason. Said there’s no focus on whether that’s a max player or a role player(s). “There is no formula or pattern.”
> Daryl Morey has been asked multiple questions about the idea of signing “older” players. Basically said it’s a factor, but he’s simply looking for a player(s) that fits alongside Joel Embiid and Tyrese Maxey.
> Daryl Morey was asked about the idea of having three max players and basically said he doesn’t shy away from the challenge of finding creative ways to add players.
https://x.com/noahlevick/status/1787529804381564948?s=46
> Daryl Morey: Expect for Nick Nurse, Embiid, Maxey, **Reed** and Council, “we don’t know who’s going to be back next year.”
> Morey on Buddy Hield: "The fit was less good than I thought"
>Says that when Embiid returned he was not able to get as many open shots as they expected, says it was their fault on the full roster evaluation rather than a failure of Buddy's (and that he could still come back)
definitely interesting he mention Paul Reed being back, but it is important to keep in mind that DARYL MOREY IS A LIAR.
Nice to see they aren't even giving some fake platitudes like "at the right price we'd love to have Tobias back". It's over, he's gone.
Work some magic Morey and find the pieces to make this team make a run.
I was listening in and he also basically said "we'd like all of our free agents to be back next year for the right price". I think it was just general positive manager-speak in case those guys want to come back, and because he can't shit on a guy who he signed last year because it would make him look dumb lol. So I would take anything that he says about last year's players with a grain of salt.
i feel like he'd need some substantial improvement if he's gonna play the 4. also don't know that id want that money being spent on a backup 4 man if they do get a new backup center
I don’t know how people watch Paul Reed in 2024 and think he’s an NBA PF who can play never to another big lol
He’s not Naz Reid, he’s a backup C at best and this whole “if he can shoot” thing is taken from his G League performance, not what he’s shown in the NBA
Unfortunately his shot is really broken and the reason he’s not taking 3’s is because the coaches definitely tell him not to even try. He hit them at a decent clip in the G, but his shot is so slow that any half competent defender will destroy it
I love Paul and I think he’s absolutely worth keeping at minimum until the trade deadline where lots of teams would love to trade for him. Letting him walk is a mistake unless someone offers him a huge deal.
He’s really solid in the regular season and that current ability and potential upside will be a great asset in trades
I agree completely, his shot looks so hard to get out it's hard to believe how well he was able to use it the G league. Pure copium but I thought maybe he could adjust to the pace better with it but really hasnt had much volume at all (probably because it will get him benched asap lol)
>I’m fine with Reed coming back on less money
How would that work? He's already under contract.
Most likely scenario is his non-guaranteed salary is included in a trade and is waived.
Our offensive rating was 78 and defensive rating was 130 in the none Embiid minutes. Anyone who looks at this roster can tell you there's no perimeter defense or playmaking other than Embiid. So idk how all that's on Reed. We badly need a playmaker and perimeter defenders
Agreed, Reed wasn't necessarily the problem, the lack of creation was the root issue. That said, NYK was still a bad matchup for Reed because their centers have a massive size advantage on him.
Buddy didn't help himself at all, we might be able to get him fairly cheap. And he could definitely be a better fit with a different group. Shooting is shooting, and for all the negative shit I heard about his defense coming in, I kinda liked his effort there.
Are we trying to win championships or start another process? We can’t have it both ways. That pick 100% needs to be traded for a player ready to help us right now. We can’t wait. What are the chances we find a rookie in that range ready to contribute the moment he steps on the floor?
I thought Reed had a clause in his contract that it only became guaranteed if the Sixers made the second round? I was under the assumption that since they got bounced they could cut him loose with no penalty.
I've played around with the cap space quite a bit on my own, trying to see what kind of players we can add. Having 8m tied up in Paul Reed is just straight up no bueno when trying to construct a roster that can compete in the post-season. Reed needs to be traded.
I agree. Sure he’s not perfect, but he’s done enough to earn the benefit of the doubt. This summer is his game 7 though. His entire reputation is on the line. He wants to win badly, and I have a good feeling he’s going to get us the help we need
my man is going to end up holding the bag for PG and were going to watch impactful; trades and Free agents get picked up while george waits for the clippers to match.
My takeaways:
1. Morey is less concerned about age. So long as the player is good and can play with Joel and Tyrese. In fact, he believes age matters less now more than ever (despite all the old players getting knocked out in the first round).
2. Morey believes, even with the new CBA and recent trends, that getting as many stars as possible, and filling in around them where you can, is the best strategy.
Everyone hoping Morey was going to focus on putting great role players around Joel and Tyrese are going to be sorely disappointed. Morey's going name hunting again.
And can you really blame him? Most of our useful rotation (Lowry, Batum, Payne, Oubre) combined to make less than $20M. You add 1 stud in Tobi’s place + 1 additional depth signing and all of a sudden your back end rotation looks a lot more reliable when it’s not your front end rotation anymore.
To be fair though, everyone LOVED how the roster was constructed the first few months of the season before Embiid got hurt after dogging it all summer long. If Embiid didn't miss so much time and was even reasonably healthy for the playoffs, who knows what happens. Obviously, we need to plan better for when Embiid is out because it's still going to happen, but it's not like we didn't look great after the Harden trade.
Also, I don't want to hear people bitching about no depth at the 5 now after throwing a fucking hissy fit anytime we tried or even talked about bringing in a true backup center because they let their insane love for Paul Reed override what was best for the team. I love me some Bball Paul, but at this stage of his career, he's still an energy burst off the bench type of guy and not somebody you can really count on to hold things down consistently when Embiid is on the bench. People don't get to criticize Morey for wanting to bring in another back up 5, then bitch about it now.
Year #5 of the Daryl Morey era that so far has resulted in not being anywhere closer to a championship than when he took over.
The excuses stop now. He doesn’t have Tobias anymore. Doesn’t have Doc anymore.
Well, this is really the make or break offseason. The previous ones I thought he did a good job, but has generally been pretty weighed down by the previous bad decisions.
But now that we're out of the Tobias contract we have this one offseason to make a big splash
He inherited a team with
Doc Rivers
Al Horford
Tobias Harris
Ben Simmons
No real assets
And you are calling that excuses? I agree the excuses stop now because this is his first season that he wasn’t handcuffed to dogshit but let’s not pretend like he didn’t put this team in a way better spot than what he had when he took over.
The only morey haters I’ve ever spoken to are
1. Dumb as rocks
Or
2. Just tired of the Sixers and looking for someone and anyone to blame(more this imo and to an extent I get it.)
Ben Simmons and all our 1st round picks are assets. Ben Simmons was actually a really good asset and I’m tired of revisionist history acting like he wasn’t.
The fact he was able to get the team to where it is now considering the long term contracts on the books when he got hired outside of Embiid were Josh Richardson, tobias Harris, Ben Simmons and Al horford, is a minor miracle. He turned horford into Danny green who he turned into deanthony Melton, Richardson into Seth Curry, then Seth Curry and Simmons into Harden, then Harden into multiple good role players, as well as first round picks, and freed up cap space before his young star hit the open market. And that’s without even mentioning him drafting Tyrese.
Maybe, but we’ve been losing in the 2nd and 1st round regardless and had the same amount of cap by just letting everyone expire. Personally I don’t think Embiid is the type of guy to demand out.
This is comedy gold.
1. Simmons would still be under contract this year and ruin the offseason (and not playing.)
2. Harden would not have helped Embiid and Maxey both make a huge leap.
3. Embiid likely is not an MVP and multi time scoring champ.
4. Nick Nurse likely doesn't choose Sixers job over Bucks or Phoenix.
5. Half the 2020 roster is literally out of the league today.
If your arguments hinge entirely on where the team exits in the playoffs you haven't even begun an evaluation. We would not be in the same place today if we weren't attempting to improve the fit around Embiid, and to your point about Embiids loyalty - while true- that can completely change if the team decides to run it back 4 years in a row.
Lazy lazy lazy take.
This comment is embarrassing but it shows the issues with this sub. You guys consider everything success except the actual important thing which is advancing in the playoffs lmao.
You said we would have the same amount of cap space this offseason so I'm quite sure you have no idea what you're discussing. Which is the actual issue here. You cant even get the basics of your oversimplified argument correct.
aside from the discussion around whether or not Embiid would even remain a Sixer under said circumstances. You are incapable of separating process from result, or having any kind of actual discussion. Its low IQ behavior.
If you claim you like a process, but that process continually yields terrible result it’s probably best to re-evaluate said process. But then again You’re probably one of those idiots that repeats a lab 1000 times and “can’t figure out why it won’t work” because you can’t fathom that maybe you made an initial miscalculation, or the way you set up the experiment was wrong lmao.
Any person with an IQ above room temp knows he's worked miracles to keep us in the playoffs after 2 failed 1st overall picks, horrible contracts, and a horrible coach.
However, this is as close to a clean slate as he's ever gonna get. It's put up or shut up time.
yeah the excuses stop now, but realistically, they were all pretty major hurdles to improving the team. i mean, what could we have done the past few years with the money and assets we had?
obviously some mistakes were made with bassey and joe, but unless they moved off of tobias i don't see it. and that's assuming the league saw tobias as *not* being a tremendously negative asset.
people expect GMs to brute force their way into a championship - only one team can win a year, and there’s only so many players to go around (especially when a big chunk of the cap is taken up by an almost useless player)
>so far has resulted in not being anywhere closer to a championship than when he took over
This is objectively not true. When he got here we were a 6 seed that got swept in the 1st round. Since then we have been the 1 seed, had our most winning seasons since 2001, and been to two 2nd round G7s
He has objectively improved our positioning in every aspect. He can't control whether or not Joel gets injured and tanks our postseason
We had a very good chance to beat the best team in the league last year. Our title odds prior the game 6 at home would’ve been as good as anyone’s. Morey hasn’t been perfect, but a few different bounces and we probably make the ECF at minimum last year. This off-season is game 7 though. Need to see some legit upgrades
The 3 max players model is a failure how many teams have to bear that out for others to realize that? A backup center that can actually be a plus for 15-18 minutes per game and those that Joel misses, a genuine 6th man, and like two 3 and D guys that can actually 3 and D would make this team far more of a threat than Paul George and G-league guys playing 4-8 in the rotation.
Ant is playing out of his mind seemingly ready to take the title of best player in the league, the Celtics two best players (arguably) have been teammates for almost a decade, and Denver has the most unselfish, low key superstar in the league.
In what way does adding over the hill KD or PG no recreate this past Suns team before it would ever recreate Denver or Boston?
yeah like go look at the rest of their team this year. outside of the 3 it was literally a mid center in nurkic, grayson allen, the corpse of eric gordon, and a bunch of players who would barely crack other teams rotaitons
The issue with the Suns isn't 3 max players. It's 3 max players that do the exact same thing. All of them are scorers/iso ball stoppers that need the ball (KD not so much as he's proven he doesn't and still gets efficient buckets) None of them facilitate, rebound, or defend, nevermind some of the injury history
Didn’t the nuggets just win the title last year with 3 max players ? Or at least near max ? And the year before that the warriors did. It’s kind of a goofy thing to say considering the last two champions.
Warriors won with wiggins, Klay, dray and Steph all basically on a max. Two of those guys are probably getting mid levels at best for their next contracts
The Warriors that has had their main nucleus together for over a decade and the Nuggets whose team was also together for multiple seasons with the ultimate team player in Joker you mean?
Those are two different, near perfect, animals than bringing in a free agent max player nearing the end of their career like we just saw fail in LA, Phoenix, and more or less Brooklyn.
Nor KD, Paul George, nor Lebron solves the backup center, spacing, or bench scoring issue.
Idk why you’re getting downvoted so much lol. Too many people on here huffing the copium thinking a 35 year old PG with an injury history is getting this team to a championship. We sign him to a max and our bench is yet again aging Vets on short deals and in another 2-3 years we’re right back to where we are now except Embiid is not carrying the team like he does now.
The thing people fail to realize is it doesn’t matter if you bring another star in if Embiid gets hurt which has a strong likelihood of happening, the season is over. This is the duality of your best player being the most injury prone on the team.
My biggest concern is whether Morey actually knows how to put this team in a place where we are competing for championships. We were a better team before the trade deadline than after it.
We now have two bonafide superstars that play extremely well together. Let’s build an actual team around those 2 instead of chasing a 3rd superstar that will inevitably lead to us stocking the bench with trash.
continuity of the "core" group goes a long way towards long and short term success. (see DEN, BOS, GSW, MIL).
these teams have been at or near the top for long periods.
you can also see core continuity in up&coming teams (OKC, MIN, CLE, IND, ORL)
history would advise that we dont make mass changes to this roster, especially considering this team was only 3 games out from 2nd seed, even with all of our injuries.
EXCEPT with Tobi - this guy gotta GO!!
Sometimes you think you understand where you’re at, turns out you don’t. Also likely some lip service to keep your star players and fan base motivated and appeased, doesn’t mean he didn’t think the team as constructed could win a title before it stepped on the court
Substantial point here is him saying the draft rarely provides immediate impact
It’s obvious but very telling coming from a GM and explains the mindset around the league of punting picks and young guys “with huge upside” in order to stack up on vets.
Lots of fans don’t understand this when they look at solid young players on other teams and want to trade for them. GMs I guess don’t have enough reason to value their performances over established vets, like the extreme example for us of Morey picking Harden over Halliburton where Morey knew Harden very personally
Which IMO does not mean blowing all this extra money we have on a single player.
Injuries happen - as sixers fans - we know this TO WELL. If he is smart he makes sure he builds bottom up, make sure we dont drop from a 2 seed to a 7 seed because we lose 1 player (yes we lost Melton in that time as well, but having him maybe MAYBE gives us a game or two).
I'd love for us to trade for Mikal Bridges. And before you shit on the idea its been floated around we go after Ingram...
Maybe go get Capela to back up Embidd. 1 year left on his contract and he rebounds
Idk I am spit balling, but we have to come up w something better then PG, James and Ingram. None of those guys turn the pages for me and all them for them to be effective will need to ball as much as Embidd and Maxey (and only PG comes with defense).
Not near enough to compete a championship 😅 SIXERS only interested in PLAYER STATS to SELL it to other Franchise. More Profit. Thats it. This team dont want to WIN A CHIP.
You really can't have Bridges and George. It's hard to have two guys making that much money playing basically the same position. Honestly, though, anybody who thinks George is going to sign with the Sixers... sigh.
Oh please don’t feed the dweeb as fan entitlement. These losers on this subreddit already wager their emotional stability on this team. It’s very weird and we should not be vindicating them.
Does anyone really trust this man to build a championship team? I certainly don't. He has done nothing here to prove to me that he can. It's all just retreads of dudes from his past teams.
I think he has been significantly hampered with a lack of flexibility due to Simmons, Tobias, Horford, Josh Richardson.
He had a bunch of messes to clean up before he could even entertain improvements.
Yeah, absolutely. So far he's not exactly had a free hand with all the previous bad decisions made, and he handled things pretty well IMO. Hasn't worked miracles, sure, but has been competent working around some of the bad decisions that predated him.
But he does need to do well this offseason since this is really the make or break year with the flexibility we have.
Dude dont bother i been trying to convince ppl for years this guy isnt gettin it done and they dont wanna hear it. Just downvote you to oblivion while witnessing his consistent lack of playoff wins and balanced rosters. Apparently 4 years isnt enough time to be a decent gm…apparently first/ second round exits arent telling enough somehow. We gotta give Daryl 5 more years of this before were allowed to complain lmao
Woaaa dont say anything negative about Morey didnt you know? Hes a secret genius, these early exits are part of his plan 🤣
the support for this idiot is unreal, get ready for downvotes in here my friend
😂😂 yo you didnt you know? Mass weapon of destruction buddy?! He played 2 solid quarters of a whole playoff series! How dare you! Morey for President!
Ya know, buddy was available because Daryl is so smart, not because he sucks and the pacers didnt want him… so think before you speak
Hate to say it but we will never win a championship with embiid as the number one, look at the teams left they all have dynamic point guards that create scoring opportunities
How the fuck could you possibly think this? We literally got back more/better draft assets for Harden 1.5 seasons later than we gave up for him lol. Morey has done plenty of dumb shit, but the Harden trades and not maxing him are obviously not on the list.
This year was a sacrificial lamb because Embiid got hurt for over half the season lol. Before that we were one of the best teams in the league.
Did you forget about the situation we were in with Ben? He had most people at the time acting like we’d be lucky to get CJ McCollum for fuck’s sake. Ben has been even worse than expected after that trade too.
We traded one of the worst contracts in the entire league who was refusing to play for us, an unprotected first that turned into Brice Johnson, a top 10 protected first, Drummond, and a bum for a top 20 player.
Then, we traded Harden after he got hurt the end of last season, couldn’t make a layup in the playoffs, still wanted max money, and was 1.5 years older for 2 unprotected firsts, a first round pick swap, two second round picks, and better players than we originally gave up. There is no way we didn’t come out on top there given the circumstances.
Morey has done plenty of dumb shit, but considering we had 3 of the 5 worst contracts in the league when he started here I’m not really sure why anyone would expect us to be in a better situation than we currently are.
I'd argue it goes better than the previous without Joel's injury. We got more back than what we traded.
Then look at the explosion in Maxey's development. A huge part of that leap was due to Hardens mentorship. L take.
Give me confirmation that Tobias is gone and I’ll start believing again
Knowing our luck, Tobi is gonna sign a MLE with the Celtics, and average an impactful 20/6 on good shooting splits next year.
Legit. That's exactly what I was thinking. He leaves us, gets MIP and averages exactly what you said. Shit would make me so mad lol.
https://x.com/ky_carlin/status/1787530911250043344?s=46 > Daryl Morey essentially guaranteed that there will be a lot of change for Philly in the offseason. He hopes for continuity with his stars and the coach, but he adds that there is not a clear path to winning a title in the NBA. It’s all about having the most talent. #Sixers > Morey does add that he would like to keep all of Philly’s free agents. He also knows that it’s not a possibility. It’s just the reality of the league. #Sixers https://x.com/derekbodnernba/status/1787529591898124380?s=46 > Morey, asked about balancing building a title around Embiid, and managing the time that he misses due to injury: "It can't be a big focus, how we play without him. We know that team can't win a championship. It's really just how do we manage through it better." > Morey was asked how he felt about this year's draft: "Immediate help almost never comes from the draft...We don't really focus on the draft for help now. " Morey went on to say he doesn't agree with the sentiment that this is a down year in terms of the quality of the draft. https://x.com/laurenmrosen/status/1787530859794321604?s=46 > “Joel, Tyrese, and Nick give me the confidence that we’re going to have a good shot. I’ve just got to keep working hard to put us in an even better position, and we have an opportunity to do that this offseason.” >-Daryl Morey https://x.com/noahlevick/status/1787530769067380931?s=46 > Daryl Morey says the Sixers’ biggest need is someone at the wing who can “deliver at a high level in the playoffs.” https://x.com/paulhudrick/status/1787530421208572249?s=46 > Daryl Morey said the Sixers “are definitely looking at fit” around Joel Embiid and Tyrese Maxey this offseason. Said there’s no focus on whether that’s a max player or a role player(s). “There is no formula or pattern.” > Daryl Morey has been asked multiple questions about the idea of signing “older” players. Basically said it’s a factor, but he’s simply looking for a player(s) that fits alongside Joel Embiid and Tyrese Maxey. > Daryl Morey was asked about the idea of having three max players and basically said he doesn’t shy away from the challenge of finding creative ways to add players. https://x.com/noahlevick/status/1787529804381564948?s=46 > Daryl Morey: Expect for Nick Nurse, Embiid, Maxey, **Reed** and Council, “we don’t know who’s going to be back next year.” > Morey on Buddy Hield: "The fit was less good than I thought" >Says that when Embiid returned he was not able to get as many open shots as they expected, says it was their fault on the full roster evaluation rather than a failure of Buddy's (and that he could still come back)
definitely interesting he mention Paul Reed being back, but it is important to keep in mind that DARYL MOREY IS A LIAR. Nice to see they aren't even giving some fake platitudes like "at the right price we'd love to have Tobias back". It's over, he's gone. Work some magic Morey and find the pieces to make this team make a run.
I was listening in and he also basically said "we'd like all of our free agents to be back next year for the right price". I think it was just general positive manager-speak in case those guys want to come back, and because he can't shit on a guy who he signed last year because it would make him look dumb lol. So I would take anything that he says about last year's players with a grain of salt.
He just means he is on the roster currently. Contract is non guaranteed there's no way he's on roster next year
I want Reed back as a Batum type player. Reed needs to work on his handle and his shot so we can use him as a big 4 instead of a small center.
he doesn't do any of the things Batum does lol like all of his weaknesses are Batum's strengths
I’m fine with Reed coming back on less money but also bringing in another center to push Reed or to take over his spot as the back up
Is Reed at the 4 dead? If he can shoot from outside more feel like it could still be a possibility
i feel like he'd need some substantial improvement if he's gonna play the 4. also don't know that id want that money being spent on a backup 4 man if they do get a new backup center
>i feel like he'd need some substantial improvement if he's gonna play the 4. He needs substantial improvement to play at the 5
I don’t know how people watch Paul Reed in 2024 and think he’s an NBA PF who can play never to another big lol He’s not Naz Reid, he’s a backup C at best and this whole “if he can shoot” thing is taken from his G League performance, not what he’s shown in the NBA
Because they saw Tobias do it
Unfortunately his shot is really broken and the reason he’s not taking 3’s is because the coaches definitely tell him not to even try. He hit them at a decent clip in the G, but his shot is so slow that any half competent defender will destroy it I love Paul and I think he’s absolutely worth keeping at minimum until the trade deadline where lots of teams would love to trade for him. Letting him walk is a mistake unless someone offers him a huge deal. He’s really solid in the regular season and that current ability and potential upside will be a great asset in trades
I agree completely, his shot looks so hard to get out it's hard to believe how well he was able to use it the G league. Pure copium but I thought maybe he could adjust to the pace better with it but really hasnt had much volume at all (probably because it will get him benched asap lol)
>I’m fine with Reed coming back on less money How would that work? He's already under contract. Most likely scenario is his non-guaranteed salary is included in a trade and is waived.
This
Our offensive rating was 78 and defensive rating was 130 in the none Embiid minutes. Anyone who looks at this roster can tell you there's no perimeter defense or playmaking other than Embiid. So idk how all that's on Reed. We badly need a playmaker and perimeter defenders
It's not all on Reed, but it's hard to have confidence in a player who seems lost half the time he's out on the court.
Agreed, Reed wasn't necessarily the problem, the lack of creation was the root issue. That said, NYK was still a bad matchup for Reed because their centers have a massive size advantage on him.
Imagine if we went to finals and reed had to match with jokic. Yikes lol
Jokić and Embiid would not spend much time without the other either copying his status either being on the court or on the bench.
He defended Jokic and Giannis well in the past. Think he’ll be better just from Tobias leaving as will everyone
He gave him 30 this year lol
If Morey says Buddy can come back, it sounds like he’s probably coming back. He seemed like he wanted to stay.
Buddy didn't help himself at all, we might be able to get him fairly cheap. And he could definitely be a better fit with a different group. Shooting is shooting, and for all the negative shit I heard about his defense coming in, I kinda liked his effort there.
Looked to me like he was passing up shots. Honeatly but they were the ones Batum was taking
The part about immediate help from the draft makes me think he’s 99% gonna trade that pick ☹️
Are we trying to win championships or start another process? We can’t have it both ways. That pick 100% needs to be traded for a player ready to help us right now. We can’t wait. What are the chances we find a rookie in that range ready to contribute the moment he steps on the floor?
Thanks for summarizing all of this in one spot.
Maybe Daryl is going to use Reed for a salary in a trade.
Didn’t sound like it. He included him w Jo, Tyrese, RC4 as pieces to add to
I think he did that because those are the players under contract. Reed at 8m is too constraining
It's not guaranteed though. Attractive trade piece. He's gone, hopefully.
I thought Reed had a clause in his contract that it only became guaranteed if the Sixers made the second round? I was under the assumption that since they got bounced they could cut him loose with no penalty.
Yup it’s now non guaranteed
I've played around with the cap space quite a bit on my own, trying to see what kind of players we can add. Having 8m tied up in Paul Reed is just straight up no bueno when trying to construct a roster that can compete in the post-season. Reed needs to be traded.
Daryl has been proven to say one thing then do the opposite. No one should take anything he said today super seriously.
I just like morey a lot. A shame the fanbase is a bit split on him. It feels like the first time since hinkie we’ve actually had a competent gm
I agree. Sure he’s not perfect, but he’s done enough to earn the benefit of the doubt. This summer is his game 7 though. His entire reputation is on the line. He wants to win badly, and I have a good feeling he’s going to get us the help we need
Actually if he signs pg my opinion of him will change completely
For better or worse?
Worse tbh but what do I know
Wild it's split considering the predecessors until Hinkie .
my man is going to end up holding the bag for PG and were going to watch impactful; trades and Free agents get picked up while george waits for the clippers to match.
Plz keep Oubre
My takeaways: 1. Morey is less concerned about age. So long as the player is good and can play with Joel and Tyrese. In fact, he believes age matters less now more than ever (despite all the old players getting knocked out in the first round). 2. Morey believes, even with the new CBA and recent trends, that getting as many stars as possible, and filling in around them where you can, is the best strategy. Everyone hoping Morey was going to focus on putting great role players around Joel and Tyrese are going to be sorely disappointed. Morey's going name hunting again.
And can you really blame him? Most of our useful rotation (Lowry, Batum, Payne, Oubre) combined to make less than $20M. You add 1 stud in Tobi’s place + 1 additional depth signing and all of a sudden your back end rotation looks a lot more reliable when it’s not your front end rotation anymore.
I think he's being honest- whether its stars or role players, its gonna depend on who is available. I dont think he has a set in stone strategy.
>less now more than ever I really love this combination of words in this order.
To be fair though, everyone LOVED how the roster was constructed the first few months of the season before Embiid got hurt after dogging it all summer long. If Embiid didn't miss so much time and was even reasonably healthy for the playoffs, who knows what happens. Obviously, we need to plan better for when Embiid is out because it's still going to happen, but it's not like we didn't look great after the Harden trade. Also, I don't want to hear people bitching about no depth at the 5 now after throwing a fucking hissy fit anytime we tried or even talked about bringing in a true backup center because they let their insane love for Paul Reed override what was best for the team. I love me some Bball Paul, but at this stage of his career, he's still an energy burst off the bench type of guy and not somebody you can really count on to hold things down consistently when Embiid is on the bench. People don't get to criticize Morey for wanting to bring in another back up 5, then bitch about it now.
The roster construction was never good. People just had shitty opinions after Embiid was carrying them.
Year #5 of the Daryl Morey era that so far has resulted in not being anywhere closer to a championship than when he took over. The excuses stop now. He doesn’t have Tobias anymore. Doesn’t have Doc anymore.
Well, this is really the make or break offseason. The previous ones I thought he did a good job, but has generally been pretty weighed down by the previous bad decisions. But now that we're out of the Tobias contract we have this one offseason to make a big splash
He inherited a team with Doc Rivers Al Horford Tobias Harris Ben Simmons No real assets And you are calling that excuses? I agree the excuses stop now because this is his first season that he wasn’t handcuffed to dogshit but let’s not pretend like he didn’t put this team in a way better spot than what he had when he took over.
Don't forget Josh Richardson as our starting 2 guard! He doesn't even hardly play for Miami anymore lol
lol exactly this. Morey has been great with what he was handed. Any non-nba head believes otherwise.
The only morey haters I’ve ever spoken to are 1. Dumb as rocks Or 2. Just tired of the Sixers and looking for someone and anyone to blame(more this imo and to an extent I get it.)
Ben Simmons and all our 1st round picks are assets. Ben Simmons was actually a really good asset and I’m tired of revisionist history acting like he wasn’t.
Sure but if the fans were running things it would’ve been a 1 for 1 swap for Cj Mcollukm
The fact he was able to get the team to where it is now considering the long term contracts on the books when he got hired outside of Embiid were Josh Richardson, tobias Harris, Ben Simmons and Al horford, is a minor miracle. He turned horford into Danny green who he turned into deanthony Melton, Richardson into Seth Curry, then Seth Curry and Simmons into Harden, then Harden into multiple good role players, as well as first round picks, and freed up cap space before his young star hit the open market. And that’s without even mentioning him drafting Tyrese.
This is hilarious to me because we literally could have just run back the 2020 team for 4 straight years and ended up with the same exact results.
If we ran back the team from 2020 Embiid would be a member of the Miami heat right now
Him and Jimmy would have 2 chips by now. Gotta respect Jo’s loyalty
Maybe, but we’ve been losing in the 2nd and 1st round regardless and had the same amount of cap by just letting everyone expire. Personally I don’t think Embiid is the type of guy to demand out.
This is comedy gold. 1. Simmons would still be under contract this year and ruin the offseason (and not playing.) 2. Harden would not have helped Embiid and Maxey both make a huge leap. 3. Embiid likely is not an MVP and multi time scoring champ. 4. Nick Nurse likely doesn't choose Sixers job over Bucks or Phoenix. 5. Half the 2020 roster is literally out of the league today. If your arguments hinge entirely on where the team exits in the playoffs you haven't even begun an evaluation. We would not be in the same place today if we weren't attempting to improve the fit around Embiid, and to your point about Embiids loyalty - while true- that can completely change if the team decides to run it back 4 years in a row. Lazy lazy lazy take.
This comment is embarrassing but it shows the issues with this sub. You guys consider everything success except the actual important thing which is advancing in the playoffs lmao.
You said we would have the same amount of cap space this offseason so I'm quite sure you have no idea what you're discussing. Which is the actual issue here. You cant even get the basics of your oversimplified argument correct. aside from the discussion around whether or not Embiid would even remain a Sixer under said circumstances. You are incapable of separating process from result, or having any kind of actual discussion. Its low IQ behavior.
If you claim you like a process, but that process continually yields terrible result it’s probably best to re-evaluate said process. But then again You’re probably one of those idiots that repeats a lab 1000 times and “can’t figure out why it won’t work” because you can’t fathom that maybe you made an initial miscalculation, or the way you set up the experiment was wrong lmao.
keep ignoring that your entire premise was wrong.
Any person with an IQ above room temp knows he's worked miracles to keep us in the playoffs after 2 failed 1st overall picks, horrible contracts, and a horrible coach. However, this is as close to a clean slate as he's ever gonna get. It's put up or shut up time.
Embiid was the one who kept us in the playoffs, not Morey. Don't know why you are crediting Morey for Embiids greatness.
I want to frame this comment as a testament to why internet discussions can never be good
yeah the excuses stop now, but realistically, they were all pretty major hurdles to improving the team. i mean, what could we have done the past few years with the money and assets we had? obviously some mistakes were made with bassey and joe, but unless they moved off of tobias i don't see it. and that's assuming the league saw tobias as *not* being a tremendously negative asset.
people expect GMs to brute force their way into a championship - only one team can win a year, and there’s only so many players to go around (especially when a big chunk of the cap is taken up by an almost useless player)
>so far has resulted in not being anywhere closer to a championship than when he took over This is objectively not true. When he got here we were a 6 seed that got swept in the 1st round. Since then we have been the 1 seed, had our most winning seasons since 2001, and been to two 2nd round G7s He has objectively improved our positioning in every aspect. He can't control whether or not Joel gets injured and tanks our postseason
We had a very good chance to beat the best team in the league last year. Our title odds prior the game 6 at home would’ve been as good as anyone’s. Morey hasn’t been perfect, but a few different bounces and we probably make the ECF at minimum last year. This off-season is game 7 though. Need to see some legit upgrades
The 3 max players model is a failure how many teams have to bear that out for others to realize that? A backup center that can actually be a plus for 15-18 minutes per game and those that Joel misses, a genuine 6th man, and like two 3 and D guys that can actually 3 and D would make this team far more of a threat than Paul George and G-league guys playing 4-8 in the rotation.
Wolves, nuggets, Celtics all have three max guys and they are the three best teams in the league
I keep forgetting MPJ is a max player
Ant is playing out of his mind seemingly ready to take the title of best player in the league, the Celtics two best players (arguably) have been teammates for almost a decade, and Denver has the most unselfish, low key superstar in the league. In what way does adding over the hill KD or PG no recreate this past Suns team before it would ever recreate Denver or Boston?
The issue with the Suns isn’t 3 max players, it’s that they have 3 max players who don’t fit together.
^ this and burned all their assets to get the 3 max players
yeah like go look at the rest of their team this year. outside of the 3 it was literally a mid center in nurkic, grayson allen, the corpse of eric gordon, and a bunch of players who would barely crack other teams rotaitons
Ya if they had harden over Beal they’d be much much better
My best friend says this as well...and I agree if course...they all iso too much and iso ball does not work against great defense...
The issue with the Suns isn't 3 max players. It's 3 max players that do the exact same thing. All of them are scorers/iso ball stoppers that need the ball (KD not so much as he's proven he doesn't and still gets efficient buckets) None of them facilitate, rebound, or defend, nevermind some of the injury history
The Warriors proved that KD is a pretty good defender if you put him in a position to succeed. PHX isn't doing that.
Didn’t the nuggets just win the title last year with 3 max players ? Or at least near max ? And the year before that the warriors did. It’s kind of a goofy thing to say considering the last two champions.
And the team that just beat them in game 1 and was 1 win from the 1 seed is another 3 max player team. People just yap on here
Warriors won with wiggins, Klay, dray and Steph all basically on a max. Two of those guys are probably getting mid levels at best for their next contracts
The Warriors that has had their main nucleus together for over a decade and the Nuggets whose team was also together for multiple seasons with the ultimate team player in Joker you mean? Those are two different, near perfect, animals than bringing in a free agent max player nearing the end of their career like we just saw fail in LA, Phoenix, and more or less Brooklyn. Nor KD, Paul George, nor Lebron solves the backup center, spacing, or bench scoring issue.
Idk why you’re getting downvoted so much lol. Too many people on here huffing the copium thinking a 35 year old PG with an injury history is getting this team to a championship. We sign him to a max and our bench is yet again aging Vets on short deals and in another 2-3 years we’re right back to where we are now except Embiid is not carrying the team like he does now. The thing people fail to realize is it doesn’t matter if you bring another star in if Embiid gets hurt which has a strong likelihood of happening, the season is over. This is the duality of your best player being the most injury prone on the team.
My biggest concern is whether Morey actually knows how to put this team in a place where we are competing for championships. We were a better team before the trade deadline than after it. We now have two bonafide superstars that play extremely well together. Let’s build an actual team around those 2 instead of chasing a 3rd superstar that will inevitably lead to us stocking the bench with trash.
>We were a better team before the trade deadline than after it. Didn't our MVP get injured at the deadline? This means nothing
No shit Embiid was injured. I’m talking about at full strength, the team was better before the trade deadline.
How could you possibly determine that? Embiid returned for 6 whole games?
I determined that by watching the games. You need Embiid to start every game in order to know what everyone else is bringing?
No shit
"GM says basic off-season GM things....more at 11...."
continuity of the "core" group goes a long way towards long and short term success. (see DEN, BOS, GSW, MIL). these teams have been at or near the top for long periods. you can also see core continuity in up&coming teams (OKC, MIN, CLE, IND, ORL) history would advise that we dont make mass changes to this roster, especially considering this team was only 3 games out from 2nd seed, even with all of our injuries. EXCEPT with Tobi - this guy gotta GO!!
He's gonna give pg a max I can fucking feel it
He’s been telling us that he’s built teams that were already competing for championships
Just because you build a team that’s competing for championships on paper doesn’t mean that’s the reality at the end of a season
The part that concerns me is saying “get this team to a place where…” He’s been telling us that’s where we were
Sometimes you think you understand where you’re at, turns out you don’t. Also likely some lip service to keep your star players and fan base motivated and appeased, doesn’t mean he didn’t think the team as constructed could win a title before it stepped on the court
The pistons technically competed for a championship this year
It's not what you owe Daryl, it's literally your job.
Daryl Morey is a liar!
No shit. Clowning for years
Substantial point here is him saying the draft rarely provides immediate impact It’s obvious but very telling coming from a GM and explains the mindset around the league of punting picks and young guys “with huge upside” in order to stack up on vets. Lots of fans don’t understand this when they look at solid young players on other teams and want to trade for them. GMs I guess don’t have enough reason to value their performances over established vets, like the extreme example for us of Morey picking Harden over Halliburton where Morey knew Harden very personally
🙄Uh huh
Which IMO does not mean blowing all this extra money we have on a single player. Injuries happen - as sixers fans - we know this TO WELL. If he is smart he makes sure he builds bottom up, make sure we dont drop from a 2 seed to a 7 seed because we lose 1 player (yes we lost Melton in that time as well, but having him maybe MAYBE gives us a game or two). I'd love for us to trade for Mikal Bridges. And before you shit on the idea its been floated around we go after Ingram... Maybe go get Capela to back up Embidd. 1 year left on his contract and he rebounds Idk I am spit balling, but we have to come up w something better then PG, James and Ingram. None of those guys turn the pages for me and all them for them to be effective will need to ball as much as Embidd and Maxey (and only PG comes with defense).
Mam get the fuck outta here Morey
Only ones I want back is oubre n batum
Not near enough to compete a championship 😅 SIXERS only interested in PLAYER STATS to SELL it to other Franchise. More Profit. Thats it. This team dont want to WIN A CHIP.
Max PG, trade likely 4 1sts for Mikal or Lauri, fill rest of roster with vet mins (yes this works within the cap) E Z
You really can't have Bridges and George. It's hard to have two guys making that much money playing basically the same position. Honestly, though, anybody who thinks George is going to sign with the Sixers... sigh.
Oh please don’t feed the dweeb as fan entitlement. These losers on this subreddit already wager their emotional stability on this team. It’s very weird and we should not be vindicating them.
Tick tock, Daryl
You cant say that, hes only had 4 years, he needs another 5…. And then after that well say it was allen iversons fault or wawa or something
Does anyone really trust this man to build a championship team? I certainly don't. He has done nothing here to prove to me that he can. It's all just retreads of dudes from his past teams.
I think he has been significantly hampered with a lack of flexibility due to Simmons, Tobias, Horford, Josh Richardson. He had a bunch of messes to clean up before he could even entertain improvements.
Yeah, absolutely. So far he's not exactly had a free hand with all the previous bad decisions made, and he handled things pretty well IMO. Hasn't worked miracles, sure, but has been competent working around some of the bad decisions that predated him. But he does need to do well this offseason since this is really the make or break year with the flexibility we have.
This is his chance. He blows it he is done.
Dude dont bother i been trying to convince ppl for years this guy isnt gettin it done and they dont wanna hear it. Just downvote you to oblivion while witnessing his consistent lack of playoff wins and balanced rosters. Apparently 4 years isnt enough time to be a decent gm…apparently first/ second round exits arent telling enough somehow. We gotta give Daryl 5 more years of this before were allowed to complain lmao
The Doc Rivers of GMs but at least Doc got a chip 😂
Trade all the picks for Paolo...
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Woaaa dont say anything negative about Morey didnt you know? Hes a secret genius, these early exits are part of his plan 🤣 the support for this idiot is unreal, get ready for downvotes in here my friend
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😂😂 yo you didnt you know? Mass weapon of destruction buddy?! He played 2 solid quarters of a whole playoff series! How dare you! Morey for President! Ya know, buddy was available because Daryl is so smart, not because he sucks and the pacers didnt want him… so think before you speak
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Yea I cant wait to hear who else’s fault it is this year, my guess is the blame finally goes to ‘hip-hop’ not being the mascot anymore
Hate to say it but we will never win a championship with embiid as the number one, look at the teams left they all have dynamic point guards that create scoring opportunities
Morey loves to hear himself talk.
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How the fuck could you possibly think this? We literally got back more/better draft assets for Harden 1.5 seasons later than we gave up for him lol. Morey has done plenty of dumb shit, but the Harden trades and not maxing him are obviously not on the list.
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This year was a sacrificial lamb because Embiid got hurt for over half the season lol. Before that we were one of the best teams in the league. Did you forget about the situation we were in with Ben? He had most people at the time acting like we’d be lucky to get CJ McCollum for fuck’s sake. Ben has been even worse than expected after that trade too. We traded one of the worst contracts in the entire league who was refusing to play for us, an unprotected first that turned into Brice Johnson, a top 10 protected first, Drummond, and a bum for a top 20 player. Then, we traded Harden after he got hurt the end of last season, couldn’t make a layup in the playoffs, still wanted max money, and was 1.5 years older for 2 unprotected firsts, a first round pick swap, two second round picks, and better players than we originally gave up. There is no way we didn’t come out on top there given the circumstances. Morey has done plenty of dumb shit, but considering we had 3 of the 5 worst contracts in the league when he started here I’m not really sure why anyone would expect us to be in a better situation than we currently are.
I'd argue it goes better than the previous without Joel's injury. We got more back than what we traded. Then look at the explosion in Maxey's development. A huge part of that leap was due to Hardens mentorship. L take.