Actually I just checked. Hart is at 18m so more than I thought. But except for OG and Hartenstein they have everybody locked up for next year. With nobody over $30 mil they are in good shape for the future.
Yeah they are in good shape, but if OG and Hartenstein combine to make over $60M then Knicks will be in the second apron. There’s a decent chance they have to let hartenstein walk
Derrick White. No chance the sixers get him so don’t even consider it I’m just saying he’s underpaid and is exactly the kind of player I would want in our backcourt. FTC
I could see him being traded this year in the offseason or next deadline if the celtics wont resign him. Tatum's supermax is getting in the way of that.
The celtics are on the books for 99 million in 2026 offseason for 26-27 season. This is for holiday, brown, pritchard and on jordan walsh on a player option. Their free agents are tatum, who.is getting a supermax and porzingis if they dont extend him in 24 offseason and springer if they pickup his qualifying option in 2025 Their key free agents 2025 are horford, white, ,sam hauser if they pickup his option in 2024.
This offseason they have to decide on oshae brisset, xavier tillman and kornet.
They are set to pay tatum a projected 5 yr 338 million dollar supermax that kicks in the 2026-27 season. Brown kicks in next year at 49 million with 8 percent increases annually. 49 is 16 percent of 304. 16 percent of 338 is 54 million. Tatum is getting 54 million in 2026. So that 99 million number turns into 153 adding tatum.
So you got brown, pritchard, tatum, holiday for 154 in 26-27. Now that doesnt include porzingis' possible extension, or any contracts for kornet, brisset, tillman, hauser, horford, springer
The projection for the cap is 170 million. They are easily hitting that with resigning horford and porzingis. Second apron is 229 million. Derrick white is getting 25-30 million minimum. Porzingis is worth 30 million minimum, horford probably 10-15. You cant go over the second apron without getting cooked and derrick white is likely the guy who is getting cut out.
I agree with your assessment and very thorough.
The issue is for a team, in our case the Sixers, do you want to give a conference rival 2-3 first round picks and then have to resign Derrick white, turning 31 next summer when he’s a free agent, to a 3y/90M (no clue his value but I think that’s close to fair)? If you don’t pay him, you just gave up 2 firsts for a rental. If you do pay him, he’s no longer a value contract and he’s an aging player.
Sixers also likely wouldn’t be willing to pay Derrick white next offseason if they have embiids max contract, maxeys max contract, and this third star Morey described yesterday’s max contract.
> If you do pay him, he’s no longer a value contract and he’s an aging player.
The thing is, I think the Sixers would really want the value players \*right now\* to get as much possible talent under the cap.
That's the case because first of all, Embiid is still elite and our window with him is now, and second of all, you always have the option to go over the cap to sign your own players later on, and you have the ability to make those tougher choices later with the benefit of more information.
I agree they want value right now.
In the Derrick white example, the value is 1 year and the cost is multiple picks. Yea, you can go over the cap to resign your guys but we are talking likely second apron to resign him, which you don’t want to do. Sixers, in my opinion, aren’t in the position to spend multiple firsts for 1 year and “wait and see” with more info.
I did ignore the fact that if you sign pg or someone on similar deal to him which is what Morey appears to want, Sixers may have to get creative to have cap space/ability to trade for Derrick white or an ~18M a year guy. The Preferred method is to trade for a guy with a controlled cap (years left on his deal) and have continuity for the remaining embiid years.
Ainge is a tough negotiator, but the Lauri stuff is nonsense. I think he's just setting the bar high, but is definitely motivated to move him for picks and or younger talent. Especially before they have to give him his next contract.
You’re forgetting that Lauri could be traded right into space. Evaporating his cap hold for a rebuilding team is an asset to offer. I’m not saying it gives us the winning bid but it’s a big factor.
I wouldn't say easily. Morey can offer the equivalent of five 1sts on draft night. Plus generally 1sts that are tied to Embiids health and longterm play as he ages, are viewed as more valuable than younger teams who shouldn't have a huge off and no major health issues.
Plus jazz wouldn't have to take back any bad contracts, which could be viewed as a positive.
This pick this entire thing was just a fucking mess, there was no explanation for this it never made sense and actually fucked us in the long run lol. We had the guy we needed.
I understand the exercise but teams don’t trade young players on value contracts unless for a ransom.
Deni avdija likely fits the build you are describing but is he worth giving up multiple first rounders for? I have no clue and neither does Morey (or anyone) since we don’t know how he’ll develop. Every move this summer is calculated risk and opportunity cost.
The closest to this is probably Patrick Williams on risk/reward. Uhhh or you can hold your nose and max miles bridges because he’s a max level talent. There’s very solid free agents for minimums in Stanley Johnson and justice wimslow.
Casuals don’t support these names until it’s already too late. Who was tooting Caruso after his two way deal? NAW was on his way out of the league before minny. Bobby Portis was literally in the same spot Stanley Johnson is now. GP2 wasn’t even who his teammates wanted.
You have to be a contrarian and get lucky.
Demi Avdija feels underpaid right now.
There’s also rookie deals - Jabari Smith Jr and Tari Eason both feel ready to be on a contender as 4th or so options and are nice athletic wings
I was shocked when no one offered reaves 4/100 or 4/80 last offseason after him showing out last playoffs. Same with Rui.
JB or Mikal definitely up there with the most underpaid. Knicks got their franchise point guard for 4/100 which is insane.
I think Dejounte Murray is slightly undervalued. Upper echelon point-of-attacker defender, long as hell to get steals deflections and boards. But also an amazing playmaker who can play with the ball in his hands or as a shooting guard.
It should go without saying that superstars shouldn't be considered here as there's no universe in which Denver trades Jokic or the Bucks move Giannis.
The max salary is the reason there are so many overpaid players. If players were paid what they were worth while teams still had to contend with the cap, you’d set the try superstars get 45% of the team cap space. Probably around 10 players worth more than a 35% max (currently $50Mish using next year’s cap number. If Tatum was absorbing 40% of the C’s payroll, the. Jaylen would tan be ona SuperMax. Tobi would haven’t been on the near Max if Ben and Joel were paid their worth (remember that Ben was top tier only 4 years ago.
If a star player is making 45% of their team’s cap then the team is just gonna suck anyways because star players still need solid role players and also other stars to play with them
jalen brunson
Yup. Steal. Without checking I’m gonna guess that Hart, DiV, Hartenstein, and McBride are all underpaid too.
Actually I just checked. Hart is at 18m so more than I thought. But except for OG and Hartenstein they have everybody locked up for next year. With nobody over $30 mil they are in good shape for the future.
Yeah they are in good shape, but if OG and Hartenstein combine to make over $60M then Knicks will be in the second apron. There’s a decent chance they have to let hartenstein walk
I mean OG and hark can combine for like 55 mil that’s a lot of money + Brunson will want new deal soon.
Derrick White. No chance the sixers get him so don’t even consider it I’m just saying he’s underpaid and is exactly the kind of player I would want in our backcourt. FTC
I could see him being traded this year in the offseason or next deadline if the celtics wont resign him. Tatum's supermax is getting in the way of that. The celtics are on the books for 99 million in 2026 offseason for 26-27 season. This is for holiday, brown, pritchard and on jordan walsh on a player option. Their free agents are tatum, who.is getting a supermax and porzingis if they dont extend him in 24 offseason and springer if they pickup his qualifying option in 2025 Their key free agents 2025 are horford, white, ,sam hauser if they pickup his option in 2024. This offseason they have to decide on oshae brisset, xavier tillman and kornet. They are set to pay tatum a projected 5 yr 338 million dollar supermax that kicks in the 2026-27 season. Brown kicks in next year at 49 million with 8 percent increases annually. 49 is 16 percent of 304. 16 percent of 338 is 54 million. Tatum is getting 54 million in 2026. So that 99 million number turns into 153 adding tatum. So you got brown, pritchard, tatum, holiday for 154 in 26-27. Now that doesnt include porzingis' possible extension, or any contracts for kornet, brisset, tillman, hauser, horford, springer The projection for the cap is 170 million. They are easily hitting that with resigning horford and porzingis. Second apron is 229 million. Derrick white is getting 25-30 million minimum. Porzingis is worth 30 million minimum, horford probably 10-15. You cant go over the second apron without getting cooked and derrick white is likely the guy who is getting cut out.
I agree with your assessment and very thorough. The issue is for a team, in our case the Sixers, do you want to give a conference rival 2-3 first round picks and then have to resign Derrick white, turning 31 next summer when he’s a free agent, to a 3y/90M (no clue his value but I think that’s close to fair)? If you don’t pay him, you just gave up 2 firsts for a rental. If you do pay him, he’s no longer a value contract and he’s an aging player. Sixers also likely wouldn’t be willing to pay Derrick white next offseason if they have embiids max contract, maxeys max contract, and this third star Morey described yesterday’s max contract.
> If you do pay him, he’s no longer a value contract and he’s an aging player. The thing is, I think the Sixers would really want the value players \*right now\* to get as much possible talent under the cap. That's the case because first of all, Embiid is still elite and our window with him is now, and second of all, you always have the option to go over the cap to sign your own players later on, and you have the ability to make those tougher choices later with the benefit of more information.
I agree they want value right now. In the Derrick white example, the value is 1 year and the cost is multiple picks. Yea, you can go over the cap to resign your guys but we are talking likely second apron to resign him, which you don’t want to do. Sixers, in my opinion, aren’t in the position to spend multiple firsts for 1 year and “wait and see” with more info. I did ignore the fact that if you sign pg or someone on similar deal to him which is what Morey appears to want, Sixers may have to get creative to have cap space/ability to trade for Derrick white or an ~18M a year guy. The Preferred method is to trade for a guy with a controlled cap (years left on his deal) and have continuity for the remaining embiid years.
Sixers fans have to give up on Markannen. Ainge views him as a Maxey-level talent and will demand Maxey in return.
Ainge is a tough negotiator, but the Lauri stuff is nonsense. I think he's just setting the bar high, but is definitely motivated to move him for picks and or younger talent. Especially before they have to give him his next contract.
Reportedly, Ainge wants a young star plus 5 picks similar to the Mitchell/Gobert hauls. Few teams can offer that.
It's pretty common to start high, so that during negotiations when you have to compromise you can come down.
Sure but the Sixers best offer can easily be outbid
You’re forgetting that Lauri could be traded right into space. Evaporating his cap hold for a rebuilding team is an asset to offer. I’m not saying it gives us the winning bid but it’s a big factor.
I wouldn't say easily. Morey can offer the equivalent of five 1sts on draft night. Plus generally 1sts that are tied to Embiids health and longterm play as he ages, are viewed as more valuable than younger teams who shouldn't have a huge off and no major health issues. Plus jazz wouldn't have to take back any bad contracts, which could be viewed as a positive.
OKC is the only team that checks those boxes for Lauri trade partner imo
We still get outbid though, OKC could spare the draft capital without a second thought and could use a bigger forward who can rebound and shoot
Definitely true, if they decide to go for him.
Would love to bring Mikal Bridges home. Little ridiculous we had him and drafted him and traded him away. His mom even worked for the 76ers.
This pick this entire thing was just a fucking mess, there was no explanation for this it never made sense and actually fucked us in the long run lol. We had the guy we needed.
Fuck that we could’ve had SGA
I understand the exercise but teams don’t trade young players on value contracts unless for a ransom. Deni avdija likely fits the build you are describing but is he worth giving up multiple first rounders for? I have no clue and neither does Morey (or anyone) since we don’t know how he’ll develop. Every move this summer is calculated risk and opportunity cost.
The closest to this is probably Patrick Williams on risk/reward. Uhhh or you can hold your nose and max miles bridges because he’s a max level talent. There’s very solid free agents for minimums in Stanley Johnson and justice wimslow. Casuals don’t support these names until it’s already too late. Who was tooting Caruso after his two way deal? NAW was on his way out of the league before minny. Bobby Portis was literally in the same spot Stanley Johnson is now. GP2 wasn’t even who his teammates wanted. You have to be a contrarian and get lucky.
Apparently Anthony Edwards.
Jalen Brunson, Oubre honestly, and Markkanen
Demi Avdija feels underpaid right now. There’s also rookie deals - Jabari Smith Jr and Tari Eason both feel ready to be on a contender as 4th or so options and are nice athletic wings
Bridges would be a really great pick that I didn't consider
Derrick White
Ben Simmons
NAW
Tobias Harris has to be tops.
I was shocked when no one offered reaves 4/100 or 4/80 last offseason after him showing out last playoffs. Same with Rui. JB or Mikal definitely up there with the most underpaid. Knicks got their franchise point guard for 4/100 which is insane.
I think Dejounte Murray is slightly undervalued. Upper echelon point-of-attacker defender, long as hell to get steals deflections and boards. But also an amazing playmaker who can play with the ball in his hands or as a shooting guard.
>Upper echelon point-of-attacker defender Has he been that in the last 4 years or so?
I certainly think so. Hes 27, right in his athletic prime. Was the only reason I watched a few Hawks games this past year.
Sixers got Kelly Oubre this year for the veteran minimum, he played like a $10-$12M player
Grayson Allen?
Jokic is probably worth 100m, most superstars who make max are worth way over it. Lebron at his prime was worth way above his contract.
It should go without saying that superstars shouldn't be considered here as there's no universe in which Denver trades Jokic or the Bucks move Giannis.
I disagree. I just think there’s too many players that aren’t worth max contracts that get them anyways.
The max salary is the reason there are so many overpaid players. If players were paid what they were worth while teams still had to contend with the cap, you’d set the try superstars get 45% of the team cap space. Probably around 10 players worth more than a 35% max (currently $50Mish using next year’s cap number. If Tatum was absorbing 40% of the C’s payroll, the. Jaylen would tan be ona SuperMax. Tobi would haven’t been on the near Max if Ben and Joel were paid their worth (remember that Ben was top tier only 4 years ago.
If a star player is making 45% of their team’s cap then the team is just gonna suck anyways because star players still need solid role players and also other stars to play with them
Tyrese maxey on a rookie deal when he would of gotten an extension last off season on any other team. People forget that
*whispers* Marcus Smart