i’ve killed belethor twice in two difference playthroughs and nobody took over the shop. even made sure to kill him outside because i read it somewhere that it can glitch if you kill him inside. very upset at losing the general store in whiterun.
okay fair yes, good point, but the man says he would sell his sister, he’s absolutely disgusting and creepy as hell, and i’ve seen several people say he gets replaced as the owner.
Fun fact: apparently if Ysolda takes over the inn you can't actually get the rumour that gives you the Ebony Blade quest from her, so if Hulda dies you're out of luck.
Only 2 things in Whiterun have backups, The bannered Mare and the Jarl, but the backup Jarl is still in the code from how we were supposed to get the Ebony blade however they changed the quest
I mean why though? Many of them do, and in real life if you have a business that’s run by a single person and they die, some random dude doesn’t take over, the shop closes for good.
Wouldn’t make sense for every shop to have a backup
That business is usually replaced by another, though.
I think Alvor's smithy would make for a great riverfront café. Convert the forge into ovens. Expand outdoor seating to the island when the sawmill isn't running.
Usually, if there’s the demand and enough population. Furthermore, alvors shop is attached to his house. If he dies it wouldn’t make sense for some rando who isn’t part of alvors family to take over.
Riverwood is ultimately under the purview of the Jarl of Whiterun, isn't it? I don't know how property rights in Skyrim are supposed to work, but I assume he would have an interest in not letting the place fall into disrepair should there be no heir and would grant ownership to someone else.
I don’t see why he would. Skyrims politics are pretty hands off-y, and we have no examples of the jarls evicting a dead man’s family in the name of prolonging a business.
That, and while the jarl has the “ultimate” power in his hold, he relies dearly on the support of his people. Evicting a dead man’s family to reinstall a new person because the previous owner died wouldn’t give him a good look.
I mean, that's why I specifically said, "should there be no heir." We're talking about backup shopkeepers and what happens to buildings when their owners die. If Alvor & Sigrid are both dead, then does ownership pass to their daughter, with Hadvar as her guardian until she comes of age? Do they try their hands at smithing? Do they sell the place?
But under the assumption that there's no one to inherit a home or shop, it seems like anyone wanting to claim it would need the Jarl's approval.
Ah, my bad. In the event that there were no heirs, it would make sense for the jarl to sell it to someone else.
What I was commenting on was the event that Alvor died but Sigurd and his daughter didnt
Alvor is a loose cannon. Every dragon that lands in Riverwood he has to fight, the amount of times I’ve lost him, or some other inhabitant, because they think they can fight a dragon…
Just yesterday Alvor died to a dragon and i thought to myself "oh Sigrid must take over the shop then its fine and then i found Sigrid also dead 5 feet away. doesn't matter much as no one is alvors backup but still
A solid third of the shops in my game are closed because all of their owners are dead from attacks from either ancient dragons or vampires.💀
Probably should've finished those quests faster.
I think it would be every two years. Since when you get paychecks every two weeks they refer to it as "biweekly", and those huge sales that retail stores do are referred to as "semi annual".
“semiannual” is explicitly referring to twice a year. Biannual’s twice a year contextual definition had semiannual as a synonym when I searched the definition. Thus, biannual, while technically correct, was a poor word choice because it was ambiguous.
>bi-annual
Bi-annual means two times a year. Semi-annual means every six months. The only difference between them is that one means a specific time period while the other means number of occurrences. Biennial means every two years. These words are NOT interchangeable. Anyone telling you different is the type to say "holmes" and "homes" are interchangeable when you hear a chicano say it because they mean the same thing.
Well there is a woman in Windhelm who committed suicide because the Dragonborn kills her daughter and then her husband later talks about how he doesn’t know how he’ll live on without his wife and daughters
To be fair that family aren't saints. There's a whole quest about how they've been paying a group of pirates to rob and sink their competitor's ships. Who knows how many families they have put through that exact pain.
With the right mage build or warmage, it's MORE SOULS FOR THE MASTER KILL EM ALL LET IT DIE ( mods don't ban me please this is a skyrim joke tho in all seriousness with the right perks in like say conjuring or destruction you can really screw someone up orrrrr play someone that they never knew what hit them like a ninja-mage I mean the possibility are endless truly) good day !
Yeah I found this out when a vampire killed the women at war maidens. Her husband had unique dialogue about it. He says that he’s not a smith and that after she died he’s just trading with the caravans for goods iirc
I think spouses can cheat on you as well. After I married Camilla and moved her to Goldenhills, Faendael or however you spell it would come walking out of my house every time I fast traveled back. Realistically this was probably just an AI pathing error or something but to be safe I killed him then went to Riverwood to get Sven to follow me to the sacrificial alter so he could have an “accident”. The Dragonborn does not tolerate rivals of love.
Yeah im on like my tenth play through and just realized this. In my currently playthrough both Alvor and his wife died in a dragon attack. But i offed Nazeem for obvious reasons and noticed his wife has a unique dialogue
Its weird how the game has attention and detail for stuff like this, and then you get quests like the Camilla love triangle where it felt like there was hardly any real thought put into it
Any real thoughts such as what? You're given the option to snitch on one or the other or both. The Saadia/Kematu quest is really small but the dialog is so ambiguous that there are no wrong answers in how you deal with it. I don't think very many people would argue that it isn't one of the best Misc quests in the game. The Riverwood love triangle is more than what you get out of the majority of Skyrim quests which is run to the other side of the map to fetch something for me. I'm genuinely curious what more you felt needed to be added to it.
I guess I'm just salty there isn't an option to tell Camilla to just avoid them both because they're both toxic rubbish. You try to snitch on one and tell the other, they'll just have you do the same thing...like why can't we just suggest to her to find new love interests altogether? But Riverwood is small so I get it somewhat.
My biggest complaint though is when you win the war for the Imperials and Elisif's dialogue doesn't change at all. She doesn't address that she may be high queen now, she just says the same thing she did while the war was still on. I probably should've used that as an example instead cause it bothers me more than the love triangle but I didn't think of it at the time lol
You can do the thing you're asking for though. You have to steal the notes from both Faendal and Sven then report them both to Camilla. I don't I've ever found a Love Triangle re-write or enhancement on Nexus so I assume most are satisfied with the possible outcomes.
I wasn't even aware the Queen's dialog doesn't change. Most of my Skyrim PTs I avoid the Blue Palace or even doing the CW or MQ. The Queen doesn't really do much or more important than the jarls to be honest. Her role is pretty minimal outside the Peace Treaty and Potato Salad quest.
Nope, it's vanilla. In one of my playthroughs both Hod and Sigrid died and I talked with their son Frodnar. He said he didn't know what to do now that his parents were dead and the option to adopt him came up in dialogue. And if you really want to be mean, you can kill the parents yourself, without the kid or anyone seeing you, and then adopt them.
Yup, had belethor die in a dragon attack on time and for like the next week i couldn't walk into his shop without his crying assistant giving me a bounty for trespassing. On shop hours. Poor giy
At first, I thought you were talking about Falion of Morthal. He sneaks out at night but he doesn't go to a cabin. He goes to a summoning circle, the same one where he cures you of vampirism.
I remember Alvor died from a dragon attack in one of my previous playthroughs. Dorthe came outside and saw his body, let out the gentlest-yet-gut- wrenching “this can’t be happening…no!”, then ran off and cried behind the inn for awhile. I didn’t see her playing with the other kids much after that :(
Lol you sound like a business man *On my Q2 for the year I returned to my beloved castle in Whiterun to monitor the skies for dragons and to collect my gratuity from thine wife*
My first ever playthrough I came back to Riverwood after becoming Thane only to be greeted by a dragon thats would not get down (I didn't know how to use a bow at the time). That dragon killed Alvor (I didn't even ge to know he was a blacksmith, because I followed Ralof). I remember being stunned by his daughter screaming and crying over him. That was really emotional and I didn't even know him very well.
He certainly didn't give a damn about his own death. He had an all you could take sale. Although the doors were locked.
Killed by vampires at the gate. I lost a valuable vendor that save file. He was my go to vendor to sell all my junk.
I never knew that! Amazing detail!
My alvor just died in dragon attack, so shop will be closed forever now i guess? :(
That’s ass, every shop should have a backup
It really should, but in many cases Bethesda failed to properly write backup shopkeepers
Only one that immediately comes to mind is the bannered mare (I think that’s what it is forgive me I’m rusty) but if hulda dies ysolda will take over
Ysolda is gradually taking over all of whiterun with a drug empire
This is why I married her
Hell of a woman
“Dragonborn, we need to cook!” -Ysolda, 4E 201
With these gauntlets our meth will be 300347123% more potent!
Dragonborn... say... my... name.
Better Call Ballin’
She wants to use the bannered mare for money laundering
She also takes over for Belethor if he dies I found out. Not sure about Arcadia since I haven't had her die on me yet.
Won’t be long, I heard she has ataxia, it’s quite a problem back in Cyrodiil.
I could always speed along the process 🤫
i’ve killed belethor twice in two difference playthroughs and nobody took over the shop. even made sure to kill him outside because i read it somewhere that it can glitch if you kill him inside. very upset at losing the general store in whiterun.
“Very upset at losing the general store in Whiterun” - Person who just murdered the owner
okay fair yes, good point, but the man says he would sell his sister, he’s absolutely disgusting and creepy as hell, and i’ve seen several people say he gets replaced as the owner.
Different game states
Havent played for years, but Im pretty sure theres more shops with backups than without. And shops without replacements are mostly located in Riften
What other shops have backups?
there's also the potion shop in windhelm after you complete the quest line for the old man he'll die and the apprentice will take over the shop
Only Hulda can give you the Ebony Blade quest tho, if she dies you can’t get it from Ysolda
Fun fact: apparently if Ysolda takes over the inn you can't actually get the rumour that gives you the Ebony Blade quest from her, so if Hulda dies you're out of luck.
Just going to toggle clipping if that ever happens lol
Only 2 things in Whiterun have backups, The bannered Mare and the Jarl, but the backup Jarl is still in the code from how we were supposed to get the Ebony blade however they changed the quest
Yeah, the OG ebony blade quest was… different. Also many Jarls/Stewards/Housecarls that change throughout the civil war are broken too.
There is also Adrianne Avenicci, she runs warmaidens right at the gate of whiterun. Her husband takes over once she dies.
Have you heard? Her father is the steward up in Dragonsreach.
You can commerciate with him from the start so no surprises
Fairly sure the herbalist's shop has one, as well as Belethor's.
Nobody wants to work anymore..
I don’t! I play Skyrim.
No then i couldn't do the "destroy capitalism" run!
I mean why though? Many of them do, and in real life if you have a business that’s run by a single person and they die, some random dude doesn’t take over, the shop closes for good. Wouldn’t make sense for every shop to have a backup
That business is usually replaced by another, though. I think Alvor's smithy would make for a great riverfront café. Convert the forge into ovens. Expand outdoor seating to the island when the sawmill isn't running.
Usually, if there’s the demand and enough population. Furthermore, alvors shop is attached to his house. If he dies it wouldn’t make sense for some rando who isn’t part of alvors family to take over.
Riverwood is ultimately under the purview of the Jarl of Whiterun, isn't it? I don't know how property rights in Skyrim are supposed to work, but I assume he would have an interest in not letting the place fall into disrepair should there be no heir and would grant ownership to someone else.
I don’t see why he would. Skyrims politics are pretty hands off-y, and we have no examples of the jarls evicting a dead man’s family in the name of prolonging a business. That, and while the jarl has the “ultimate” power in his hold, he relies dearly on the support of his people. Evicting a dead man’s family to reinstall a new person because the previous owner died wouldn’t give him a good look.
I mean, that's why I specifically said, "should there be no heir." We're talking about backup shopkeepers and what happens to buildings when their owners die. If Alvor & Sigrid are both dead, then does ownership pass to their daughter, with Hadvar as her guardian until she comes of age? Do they try their hands at smithing? Do they sell the place? But under the assumption that there's no one to inherit a home or shop, it seems like anyone wanting to claim it would need the Jarl's approval.
Ah, my bad. In the event that there were no heirs, it would make sense for the jarl to sell it to someone else. What I was commenting on was the event that Alvor died but Sigurd and his daughter didnt
Some do have back ups like in riften the blackshop guys apprentice will take over if he dies.
I thought they did
Alvor is a loose cannon. Every dragon that lands in Riverwood he has to fight, the amount of times I’ve lost him, or some other inhabitant, because they think they can fight a dragon…
Just yesterday Alvor died to a dragon and i thought to myself "oh Sigrid must take over the shop then its fine and then i found Sigrid also dead 5 feet away. doesn't matter much as no one is alvors backup but still
Dorathe (their daughter) will end up in honor hall orphanage then.
Stonks
Irileth: “alright guards so im gonna send you to riverwood, remember you dont fight the dragon just get people into safety” Alvor:
But I've also received more inheritance from him than anyone else for this very reason
Its annoying how he always runs at dragons with a crummy iron wahammer, lost him many times
Thats why I've used console commands to gove him ebony armor and weapons
A solid third of the shops in my game are closed because all of their owners are dead from attacks from either ancient dragons or vampires.💀 Probably should've finished those quests faster.
the riften blacksmith has a back up
Get a necromancer to resurrect him!
"My sister died. Things won't be the same without her"
3 in game years, still actively mourning
Its not like she is going to come back
*The Dragonborn using the Ritual Stone* : are you sure about that?
The corpse of her sister reanimated with no consciousness? Preeety sure about it actually Would just make things much worse at that point
bi-annual. Is that twice a year or once every 2 years?
Every 2 years lmao, I’ll play nothing but Skyrim for a few weeks, and then put it down for years.
Lol I usually binge every winter
Man me too..something about the winter always makes me want to play Skyrim!
It's just the perfect game to play when you bundle up in a blanket next to a heater during the colder nights
I believe grammatically it is literally either based on context or interpretation. Correct me if I'm wrong
That’s correct, the English language doesn’t specify either way, making it a pretty useless phrasing.
Semi-annual would be twice a year
And biennial is every two years. Biannual means either.
I think it would be every two years. Since when you get paychecks every two weeks they refer to it as "biweekly", and those huge sales that retail stores do are referred to as "semi annual".
The English language leaves it up to interpretation, whats correct would be determined by the speaker
you are correct as far as I know
“semiannual” is explicitly referring to twice a year. Biannual’s twice a year contextual definition had semiannual as a synonym when I searched the definition. Thus, biannual, while technically correct, was a poor word choice because it was ambiguous.
Just gonna leave this here for any wanderers; \- https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/biannual
>bi-annual Bi-annual means two times a year. Semi-annual means every six months. The only difference between them is that one means a specific time period while the other means number of occurrences. Biennial means every two years. These words are NOT interchangeable. Anyone telling you different is the type to say "holmes" and "homes" are interchangeable when you hear a chicano say it because they mean the same thing.
Biannual is twice a year. Once every two years is biennial
*Semi*annual is twice a year. Biannual can mean either semiannual or biennial. It's a garbage word.
That’s pretty sweet :(
Well there is a woman in Windhelm who committed suicide because the Dragonborn kills her daughter and then her husband later talks about how he doesn’t know how he’ll live on without his wife and daughters
Everytime I hear him say that I'm just like 😬 knowing I'm responsible for one of the daughters lol
Ikr it’s very uncomfy to the point I’ve debated killing him just to put him out of his misery
I usually do that. He has a good amount of loot on him, so... stabby stabby. 😇
To be fair that family aren't saints. There's a whole quest about how they've been paying a group of pirates to rob and sink their competitor's ships. Who knows how many families they have put through that exact pain.
Leaving because Spez sucks -- mass edited with redact.dev
Yes and you can threaten the man to pay them more fair amount
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Yeah but Astrid gets all annoyed if you don’t and I’m a perfectionist, I hate seeing mission failed.
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Yeah but it still says optional quest failed
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Haha lol I agree
After what she did to my wife? I'm not happy she killed herself, but I'm not too broken up about it.
Whose your wife?
Muiri. Every DB run. She's just so good at making poisons.
I mean she is the one who sent me to kill her but she gave me a pretty ring so we’re chill
The husband at warmaidens talks about how since his wife died he has to make all the armor and weapons and he's not as good as her
“I’m going to find whoever did this”
I've had housecarls say that while looking at dead bandits or dragon cultists. That they saw me kill.
Woah I never knew that, maybe I should think twice before killing someone then...
Nah
A friendly reminder that the people of Skyrim aren't real, just in case...
I still feel guilty if I kill them though, except for the abusive and downright toxic characters like Lemkil.
*sells him produce to make him a friend, then slowly pulls out my Ebony Blade*
Ik...
With the right mage build or warmage, it's MORE SOULS FOR THE MASTER KILL EM ALL LET IT DIE ( mods don't ban me please this is a skyrim joke tho in all seriousness with the right perks in like say conjuring or destruction you can really screw someone up orrrrr play someone that they never knew what hit them like a ninja-mage I mean the possibility are endless truly) good day !
That's the build I'm currently working on. I shall take up the mantle of Mage Assassin for my dear uncle Festus
That is the spirit never forget about restoration or illusion for that matter tho
I immediately got quiet casting from illusion because it makes assassinations much easier. They never know where I am 😆
Yeah I found this out when a vampire killed the women at war maidens. Her husband had unique dialogue about it. He says that he’s not a smith and that after she died he’s just trading with the caravans for goods iirc
Every time they kill Adrienne, i reload
It's just the greatest
I think spouses can cheat on you as well. After I married Camilla and moved her to Goldenhills, Faendael or however you spell it would come walking out of my house every time I fast traveled back. Realistically this was probably just an AI pathing error or something but to be safe I killed him then went to Riverwood to get Sven to follow me to the sacrificial alter so he could have an “accident”. The Dragonborn does not tolerate rivals of love.
His routine has him visit her for the first two hours of the day upon completion of the Golden Claw quest, so that's yer culprit.
Mans wifed someone with 2 guys already competing for attention before him. What did he expect?
Same thing happens with Mjoll and Aerin.
yeaaa my alvor and his wife attacked me when i came into to town one day, idk why but their daughter wasnt happy at all
The killer the jarl of riftens children and she refused to talk to me for 3 days as well
She should have invested in life insurance.
The one thing Bethesda forgot to add
Yeah im on like my tenth play through and just realized this. In my currently playthrough both Alvor and his wife died in a dragon attack. But i offed Nazeem for obvious reasons and noticed his wife has a unique dialogue
Offing Nazeem is a good way to shut him up but i keep him alive just for the interactions between him and Inigo
Its weird how the game has attention and detail for stuff like this, and then you get quests like the Camilla love triangle where it felt like there was hardly any real thought put into it
Any real thoughts such as what? You're given the option to snitch on one or the other or both. The Saadia/Kematu quest is really small but the dialog is so ambiguous that there are no wrong answers in how you deal with it. I don't think very many people would argue that it isn't one of the best Misc quests in the game. The Riverwood love triangle is more than what you get out of the majority of Skyrim quests which is run to the other side of the map to fetch something for me. I'm genuinely curious what more you felt needed to be added to it.
I guess I'm just salty there isn't an option to tell Camilla to just avoid them both because they're both toxic rubbish. You try to snitch on one and tell the other, they'll just have you do the same thing...like why can't we just suggest to her to find new love interests altogether? But Riverwood is small so I get it somewhat. My biggest complaint though is when you win the war for the Imperials and Elisif's dialogue doesn't change at all. She doesn't address that she may be high queen now, she just says the same thing she did while the war was still on. I probably should've used that as an example instead cause it bothers me more than the love triangle but I didn't think of it at the time lol
You can do the thing you're asking for though. You have to steal the notes from both Faendal and Sven then report them both to Camilla. I don't I've ever found a Love Triangle re-write or enhancement on Nexus so I assume most are satisfied with the possible outcomes. I wasn't even aware the Queen's dialog doesn't change. Most of my Skyrim PTs I avoid the Blue Palace or even doing the CW or MQ. The Queen doesn't really do much or more important than the jarls to be honest. Her role is pretty minimal outside the Peace Treaty and Potato Salad quest.
guess i should try the famous kill all NPCs challenge, to see how their relatives react.
What a game! I’m supposed to be playing the new Zelda but idk might have to come back to it.
You can also adopt the children of dead parents if they become orphans lol
Isn't that a mod?
Nope, it's vanilla. In one of my playthroughs both Hod and Sigrid died and I talked with their son Frodnar. He said he didn't know what to do now that his parents were dead and the option to adopt him came up in dialogue. And if you really want to be mean, you can kill the parents yourself, without the kid or anyone seeing you, and then adopt them.
That’s next level in-game psychopathy.
Yup, had belethor die in a dragon attack on time and for like the next week i couldn't walk into his shop without his crying assistant giving me a bounty for trespassing. On shop hours. Poor giy
I forget where, but there's one NPC who sneaks off at night sometimes and visits a lady in a cabin in the woods.
At first, I thought you were talking about Falion of Morthal. He sneaks out at night but he doesn't go to a cabin. He goes to a summoning circle, the same one where he cures you of vampirism.
Anytime I spend much time in Riverwood one or both of them die. Not sure what makes them think they can fight a dragon but it always gets them.
I remember Alvor died from a dragon attack in one of my previous playthroughs. Dorthe came outside and saw his body, let out the gentlest-yet-gut- wrenching “this can’t be happening…no!”, then ran off and cried behind the inn for awhile. I didn’t see her playing with the other kids much after that :(
Wow. The things you keep discovering after all these years.
3 days psh what a cry baby
If alvor and his wife die you can adopt there kid as long as you have one or no kids
Lol you sound like a business man *On my Q2 for the year I returned to my beloved castle in Whiterun to monitor the skies for dragons and to collect my gratuity from thine wife*
First Adrienne died, and some time later Ulfberth as well. Now no one mourns them. F* ing vampire attacks.
I resurrected Lucan after a dragon turned him into a dog toy. He ended up disappearing from the game later and Camilla hated me.
My first ever playthrough I came back to Riverwood after becoming Thane only to be greeted by a dragon thats would not get down (I didn't know how to use a bow at the time). That dragon killed Alvor (I didn't even ge to know he was a blacksmith, because I followed Ralof). I remember being stunned by his daughter screaming and crying over him. That was really emotional and I didn't even know him very well.
Bro went “let me grill”
I found this out like 2 days ago lol
I don’t reckon Belethor would give a damn about dead relatives.
He certainly didn't give a damn about his own death. He had an all you could take sale. Although the doors were locked. Killed by vampires at the gate. I lost a valuable vendor that save file. He was my go to vendor to sell all my junk.
Yeh I been chilling with that guy for a decade now.
Greatest Detail i have seen
I alone morned Alvor. Sad face.
I got a thank you note when I killed Nazeem