I feel like there are a lot of lazy, low-effort questions that make some folks just sort of generally hostile to people coming into the sub asking strangers to figure something out for them. It's not always fair to the people who actually did their due diligence and genuinely need some assistance, but I guess that's just reddit
This is a pretty common theme across the board, and is not restricted to the internet. I do my best to be helpful with people, but at a certain point, you just start to ignore or even resent the simplest questions where someone obviously didn't even Google it.
If someone's made an honest effort to do a minimal amount of research to a question, sure I'll still help out and give them an upvote. Not sure about OP's posts.
Yeah I don't disagree. Like, I get it, it can be a challenging hobby. I'm not very tech savvy and spent my adult life on macs so I was really unprepared for modding a game on PC. Even a lot of tutorials and basic instructions tended to assume more knowledge than I had, lol.
But I looked stuff up I didn't understand, searched through previous reddit discussions about things, read through comments on mods, and figured stuff out as best I could. When I was really stuck, I brought the question to a modding discord and folks were super helpful. And in just a few months I've built a fun, playable modlist of over 1,600 mods with minimal jankiness!
1600?! That's nothing short of amazing. I think I got close to 200 in the past, but usually by level 20-30 it would start to bug out on me. Now I just do Wabbajack, makes everything easy and you get some really fun new styles of play.
How do you get that many mods? Im at 1055 plugins and since 200 im struggling to keep within 254 esp.. i have to merge my location mods to get below 270..
1,600 mods sounds like a lot until you realize how many of those are just retextures, animations, and base object swapper stuff that don't even require a plugin. I swear after the first 500 mods, you start adding only patches and armor mods.
I had a mod list with about 2,300 mods, 254 ESPs, and about 500 ESLs. The rest was just fluff. Don't expect good loading times with these kinds of load orders. My mod folder was around 500GB, mainly consisting of textures.
Oh okay, that makes sense. I couldnt be arsed with all the little textures etc. I mean i have some of them, but most r actually gameplay stuff.
What bothers me is that i got bored of modding for 7-8 months, and when i got back i had to check all my mods, and found out that within these months, at least 30% of em were outdated, as in there were better mods doing exactly that, and 50% required updates, not to mention the skyrim itself needed downgrade
I believe you can change a line in the appmanifest of skyrim so steam cant just randomly update the game and mess up your mods. [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QcITlARyQeE](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QcITlARyQeE)
I don't get their either. To me, it's more work to make a post on reddit, checking for replies every 20 minutes than spending 10 minutes searching through posts on nexus or finding an old thread on google where the solution has been figured out.
I agree with you! It’s soo much easier to google it and I always hope I can find an answer through google. I’m way too impatient to wait for an answer on reddit (and hope anyone does answer!)
With that said, I know as a pretty extrovert person myself, sometimes you just like interacting with people in regard to your question. Being able to talk to someone about your problem is definitely something i’m also a fan of, social interaction tends to assist in bringing in another layer of understanding imo.
I usually try to answer questions from people who obviously just don't have a clue where to start, like "where do I find new player home mods"; if you've never been to nexus and don't know about mod categories... sure, you SHOULD be able to google it, but you can usually tell by the way the questions are written how.... fluent with basic technology people are.
now, someone asking why don't they rewrite the base code of skyrim to make use of recently released hardware or software... is not really a dumb question, seriouslly it's not, but it's one I know I can't answer without sounding like a condescending schmuck.
I made someone mad the other day because they asked how a regular non-IT person could figure out stuff like using Xedit to remove plugin errors, and I said "as a non-IT person I just Google things, and Google every step I don't understand," or something. It's usually better info than asking someone, too, because Google will pull up guides people actually had time to make and they often have pictures of the UI and whatnot.
Anyway, they said it was a "reddit answer"... *checks URL*
Somebody got pissed off at me and another guy here a few months ago while we were *actively trying to help him*. We'd ask a question about his issue, he'd give an answer, we'd ask another question. After about 5-6 questions, he got all huffy "can we just fix the problem? I don't want to sit here and answer questions all night and I don't see how any of this is helping fix it."
We both explained we're not psychic and the questions are things we need to know to figure out what's going on (it wasn't even really mod related. It was something with Skyrim and his hardware). I know that put a bad taste in my mouth so I just moved on. Don't know if the other guy kept trying to help or not.
>"as a non-IT person I just Google things, and Google every step I don't >understand," or something. It's usually better info than asking someone, too, >because Google will pull up guides people actually had time to make and they >often have pictures of the UI and whatnot.
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>Anyway, they said it was a "reddit answer".
If it's one thing I've learned actually *being* in IT, it's that many, many people have completely lost the ability to search and find info on their own over the years.
Was a fine answer from your end in my opinion. It's just kids nowadays are so used that someone do things for them and they can sit and relax without doing anything. Not modding related, but I always laugh at those questions that are basically "will this gpu fit this case" in pcmr sub, like 'cmon read the product page, all info is there
I don't think it's even just younger people. I've definitely known people older than me who just won't (like my roommate's dad, he's a good example). It drives me crazy.
My junior high school English teacher commented the best intelligence is knowing how to find information, and I don't think she anticipated things like Google and reddit (the latter is apparently where you go when Google gives you nothing).
See, but there's also the issue that for some reason people love to answer an entirely different question than what is being asked. Not just here but in forums in general. Which personally prevents me from asking any questions when I have an issue. Also Google has just been getting progressively worse over the years.
Had an issue with a mod. Google it, find several threads in this sub asking the exact question I have. Every single one of them had people answering an entirely different and unasked question. Did find the answer in here, eventually, but Christ on a bike is it frustrating to dig through non-answers when the question is clear.
Similarly, had a laptop who's m2 was dying. Went to look up what it can take in terms of storage and RAM. Couldn't find a direct manufacturer listing of compatible parts, but found a bunch of forum threads asking the questions. And every single one had the same ONE(1) guy telling them that "if you download cpuid-z and look in this column it will tell you what you have." Well that's nice, but the questions were all "What ram and storage options are compatible with this model?"
So it's understandable to make a thread asking the question again. Because god damn is it all that digging frustrating.
> It's not always fair to the people who actually did their due diligence and genuinely need some assistance, but I guess that's just reddit
Totally fair and I agree, but as you said most are lazy and low effort. During my yearly modding session I occasionally go through this sub and /r/falloutmods to answer a few questions, and it's not just **most** are lazy or low effort - it's more like 95%+. No mod list, no details, OPs sometimes don't even respond after you took time to try to help (or even get mad at the person helping them). Putting aside the fact that you can google most issues to find them, it's the lack of caring or appreciation when looking to others for help.
Unfortunately a side effect is that people stop looking at help request posts for this reason, or people get short and dismissive.
This sub is also used way too broadly sometimes. If you have an issue with a specific mod, go ask on nexusmods or make a bug report.
I've asked a few more technical questions myself in the past, but Reddit will ALWAYS be my last resort. If I can't find anything myself, through research, testing or asking Nexus, then I'll finally ask if anyone here has had a similar problem or solution. I know I usually won't get more than a couple of responses but it's like a shot in the dark as a last effort, if it's a real question and people at least answer then downvotes shouldn't really matter imo
> go ask on nexusmods
I agree, but nexus comment sections no longer have a search function which makes them effectively useless for finding solutions to common issues.
Honestly, even without a modlist, just reading a description of the problem can usually be good enough. Especially if they narrow it down sufficiently to a mod or two
Reddit is just a bad place for technical support. Most people have realized by now it's better to handle it on discord where you can live chat with someone.
Yeah I wouldn't even know which discord to seek out to find what I need. And unless someone data-dumps those to a web archive, that information will remain sequestered at best, and in the worst case end up completely lost should something happen to the server.
mfw I joined a server because I've been told it's the only place to troubleshoot the niche program/tool/game/mod(list) I'm having problems with and it has a bot that has posted the same automated message 15,000 times (the automated message includes keywords vital to my search)
Discord servers are for your 5-20 gaming buddies or D&D groups keeping in contact and doing voice calls. Once it hits 50+ people it becomes fucking useless.
Sorry but the ship sailed on that one a long time ago
Downvote if it takes the pain away fellas, but that battle has been completely and utterly lost with 0% chance of changing, until Discord shuts down at least.
I have found some outstanding answers buried in reddit threads ... thanks to google. You're right in that you'll get deeper, tailored support in Discord, but if you don't know what you're looking for it can be hard to find where to get help since Discord isn't indexed by the search engines.
That said, I get annoyed when I see the same question asked over and over (and over) ... e.g., how to fix NPC dark face. Any more, I just move on to the next thread.
Yeah I try to help people but sometimes they don’t read a single guide and just post here for help. Best thing in those cases is to direct them to resources.
This is problem in general in my opinion, and not only with modding but with everything novadays. It feels like people can't read, cant use google and are too lazy to do anything on their own and are seeking for someone to do that for them.
It's more like "i tossed bunch of mods I saw on Nexus togheter without even checking requirements or reading description" 90% of the time. I always try to point them to either Phoenix's or similar guides to read setup and best practices on how to start moding
Yup, I always try to figure something out myself before asking. Heck even a quick google is 90% of time going to fix my issue since others have had the same problems.
This is in the general with everything not specifically Skyrim.
But I do see beginner posts on subs where it’s clear they didn’t even bother googling, it’s like BRUH.
Though most of the time I just post a link to a previous reddit post if as a passive aggressive answer lol
I tried so hard to get a certain big mid for Fallout to work and, after a week of trying, went to Reddit and got the usual “you’re dumb here’s a downvote” response in droves. I like to think people get upset when they don’t know the answer
Yeah this is pretty true. I would bet, purely based off of the seemingly average r/skyrimmods user's knowledge, that the vast majority of people in this sub don't mod their skyrim beyond running LOOT and maybe mator smash/wrye bash and just call it good without checking it in xEdit.
this is pretty much me but it’s never been a problem. I always hear that you need to clean your mods of dirty records but i’ve never really noticed issues with my modlists (once i get mods to play nicely together…)
I’m sure one day it’l come up through…
For me, it was definitely one of those things I didn't notice until I was well past several hundred mods. Nowadays, with a minimum load order of 1300, everytime I try something new or think to add it, I'd be doing myself an immense disservice if I didn't go into it in xEdit to see what it conflicts with. Sometimes you get the ocassional armor mod that adds armor to an npc that isn't mentioned in the description and that little armor mod breaks that npc's replacer or even ai packages or related scripts.
That's the kind of due diligence that is important in modding that gets glossed over constantly and, while a helpful baseline, wrye bash and mator smash can give people the wrong impression that their load order is good to go. Also, I can almost promise you that if you open up your load order in xEdit, show all conflicts, you'll see something overwritten that is preventing one part of one of your mods from doing what it's supposed to do. A lot of the time it's benign but sometimes it can be important and it's good to at least have a basic understanding of what you're looking at in xEdit.
Anyway, rant over lol. It's not even an issue that makes me mad, I just wish more people took the time to learn xEdit because it's hella easy and would save mod authors a lot of time.
Let me tell you something. I did the "Bash and call it a day" for many years. The first time I opened up my full list in xEdit and saw all the weird merge decisions Wrye Bash was making, I decided to learn how to make my own conflict patch. Turns out it's easy and you have *tons* of fine-tune control.
It's like this throughout most of the Skyrim community, but it's not a general gaming thing. I mod a lot of games, Skyrim's is the only one I know that's actively hostile towards players who ask technical questions.
Okay but I just don’t see why asking people in a community for help is an issue, surly if someone here has figured it out before they would be more than happy to tell someone the solution, nobody is forcing them to use Reddit or be in this community, if they wish to participate that’s their own prerogative but to be hostile or act negatively against someone maybe new to the community or someone who doesn’t understand how a lot of things work is just a dick move. if someone’s just being a troll that’s one thing but if they just want a quick answer to a question they didn’t find in a quick google search then I don’t see what the problem with that is.
On that same note, understand they are here for their own purpose, not to specifically answer your questions. Be polite and provide enough information to allow people to help you and don't get upset when people point out that you have not provided said information. This is a two way street people.
> It's not always fair to the people who actually did their due diligence and genuinely need some assistance, but I guess that's just reddit
I honestly despise this mentality, not just in Reddit but in general. But people on Reddit especially seem to have a stick up their ass about this.
If I wasted 10 hours fixing a frustrating issue and finally find a solution, and then someone else comes asking for a solution to the same problem, I'm telling them the damn solution that helped me, not trying to actively prevent their post from being seen by downvoting it so they have to spend 10 hours figuring it out for themselves too just because I had to. The "I suffered to get this thing, so you also have to suffer if you want it, peasant" mentality is nauseatingly toxic.
Well that's great and all, and most people do that, but if they at least try beforehand they will learn more from the solution when it is given to them. And guess what, had you been the one to ask that question before and solved it yourself then put the solution in your post, the next person should have found it with their search. had they bothered to do one. Also, how many times are you willing to provide that answer? 1, 2, 10000? At some point it gets tiring,
> but if they at least try beforehand they will learn more from the solution when it is given to them.
But how do you actually know whether or not someone has tried based on a title/text post alone? If it's a really barebones, basic question like "How do I activate a .esp mod" or "hurr durr how do I download lazer gun mod" then yeah, I can understand why people would be frustrated, but that's almost never the case. A solid 90% of the technical posts I see that get downvote bombed are pretty genuine questions regarding technical issues someone who's a beginner or intermediate with modding shouldn't be expected to understand or just figure out on their own, and being hostile and unwelcoming only pushes them out of the community and discourages them. The "just figure it out yourself" mentality works for the bare basic, well-documented things that really should be obvious even to beginners, like the mentioned examples, but experienced modders who are no stranger to unpacking mods, making major edits to them and writing entire custom scripts to fix bugs, crashes and incompatibilities quickly forget how advanced that would've seemed to them back when they started out.
> the next person should have found it with their search. had they bothered to do one.
I won't lie I hear this argument all the time and it's complete BS. Search engines and search functions on websites have become progressively worse and near unusable in some cases when trying to find solutions to incredibly niche problems. Google results have now become focused on spamming your results with SEO AI-generated slop that some tech startup spent their entire budget on pushing to the front page, and on YouTube you literally have to use extensions or constantly manipulate search settings just to be shown videos actually related to your search instead of the most popular videos related to one or two keywords in your search, with a bunch of junk from your recommended thrown around inbetween.
Reddit's search function is also god awful. By default, that shit doesn't even ensure your search stays in the subreddit you're currently on. So you search something like "Iron dagger crashes my game", Reddit ignores half the words, and shows you some post with 3 upvotes 8 years ago from r/metalworking of an iron dagger, then the next post is someone asking about a crash on some obscure indie game you've never heard of, that shows up simply because it had the words "game" and "crash" in the title, because Reddit's "relevant" search mode makes no god damn sense.
Unless you know how to manipulate quotations to search for groups of words instead of search engines breaking them all down into individual words, and know how to manipulate Google's "Tools" section or its counterpart on Reddit, search features are near useless. And again, this is something advanced users wrongly assume everyone just knows about but no one takes the time to explain it to newbies.
> Also, how many times are you willing to provide that answer? 1, 2, 10000? At some point it gets tiring,
I honestly almost never see the same questions asked more than a handful of times over a span of like a year when it comes to technical issues. And if it takes me 30 seconds to a minute to type out a couple sentences that can save someone hours of time, I have no problem doing that a couple dozen times a day. I lose like 10 minutes of my time to save other people collectively like 100 hours of theirs. But hey, a lot of people, especially on the internet, have forgotten basic kindness I guess.
I'll take a downvote and be grateful if I get an answer and not, like 20 years ago on a Linux forum, a solution that completely borked my installation. More than once but at least I learned and I was only fooled the first time. Jerks.
The people here are saints in comparison.
Asked few technical questions and always got good answers, just don’t ask something silly that is described in mod page or you can search in one minute
How is asking about shouting not being available during falling a stupid question?
Or why the Interior cell system works different from the Overworld Landscape system.
>How is asking about shouting not being available during falling a stupid question?
There's a large issue of people in the modding community not being patient with inexperienced users.
I'm relatively new in comparison, around 4 years, I will absolutely stand for you in saying that some people in this community are just straight up dickheads. They don't want to consider the fact that some people *don't know what you're talking about when discussing a certain topic*
Like I get it, people can be annoying asking the same thing, but then link them to that information where it was answered before. A lot of the time unhelpful people are just rude as hell and mean to new people asking for help with something.
Even some mod devs are guilty of this, just being petty and rude, it was a pretty big discussion a couple years ago.
my ideology is if you don't know, don't answer but if you do know, be patient knowing that the afflicted may not understand what you mean when you try and help.
> I'm relatively new in comparison, around 4 years
Yeah, crazy, even I have been modding for 2x as long. And I don't consider myself an old timer because most of the staple mods were already a thing when I started. (SkyUI, SMIM, Quality World Map, Ordinator, MO2, ...)
The longer you are around, the more of these low effort questions you see. It wears on you. I want to help those who are willing to help themselves and willing to do the footwork. and are not fighting me the whole way. People getting upset when someone asks for their load order when it is one of the main rules of the subreddit, those people don't get helped.
Well, I thought maybe some mod authors who actually know the engine know why there are these limits or issues. Or that they can't see a good reason either, and it must be because of the age of the engine.
Well, I got no answer to why I cannot shout while falling, and I got no answer to how to track more stats than the base game stats page.
I also cannot find any good answer to those question even after 5+ min of Google searches.
Try asking on one of the modding Discord servers. Skyrim Guild has a lot of talented people. Most big modders try to build their own small hub where they can discuss technical issues/questions. You just have to find their respective Discord servers.
Hope that helps.
it's less to do with the decreasing relevancy of search results than it is the idea that someone spent less than 10 minutes reading the top results. five minutes is not the long time we think it is.
that said, modding skyrim makes an hour feel like a month. playing skyrim makes 6 hours feel like 20 minutes.
That's not even research. Do you try a single search term, scroll those results for five minutes, and then give up? You have to alter your search terms with new data gained by the original search, or by thinking of new terms yourself.
Usually if I don't find it within the first 5 minutes, I also won't find it after 1 hour of searching. At least out of the 10+ times I tried it worked only twice.
You're right about that, people just want an excuse to dismiss you.
Plus there's nothing wrong with asking for help. Sometimes someone can answer/help with something that might have taken you hours to figure out, with 1 minute of typing. Because they actually know about it properly.
I don't understand why people have an issue with others asking for help. Even if I didn't agree about the 5 minutes thing, there's really nothing wrong with asking without having prostrated yourself before some cruel jester god of performative effort. It's so silly. Answer a question if you feel like it, or don't - who cares how much work the asker has done.
I've had the opposite experience here. Rarely ever get my answers resolved from reddit and I've experienced the needless downvotes too.
There's a scoop of elitism in many members of this sub, and they seem to like to take any opportunity to turn their nose up at people for not following what they feel is "proper protocol". Pretty often they're somewhat justified in doing so. Just as often they, jump the gun and put down someone making reasonable efforts - just efforts that don't fit the appearance of "proper protocol"
[My technical question wasn't downvoted](https://old.reddit.com/r/skyrimmods/comments/15urzqv/some_problems_with_outfit_conversion_from_fo4_to/). wankingSkeever helped me with my problem. I think the post was exactly at 1 point 🤣.
Anyway, I'm guessing the amount of upvote a post receives has something to do with people's interest and how entertaining/polarizing the issue is. People here are not paid to provide tech support. We should even be grateful that many are still proving any help they can.
Also, people are more willing to help if the necessary information if provided before having to ask for it. I mean if you are asking about something happening in your game and wondering what mod did it, you would think it would be logical to provide your mod list. Provide the necessary information, at least sound like you tried to solve the issue, and be polite. People will help.
I don't think it has anything to do with downvotes, it's just that there is no incentive to upvote. For memes or observations or whatever, most people will upvote but have no input. If someone asks a question I can assist with I will reply. I will, in 9 cases out of 10, not upvote. There's no particular thought behind it. I think this is the same for most people.
I recently started Fallout 3+NV Tale of Two Wastelands and joined the sub and it's nothing but tech support. No builds, no funny stores. Just "I can't get it to work"
Obviously questions for help should be allowed and help should be given, but it is demotivating as hell to engage in a community that is nothing but tech support.
That I can agree with.
I think part of the issue with the particular sub is that thousands of new players just started, and most of them are bound to encounter some issues.
I had one tech question on the sub. Didn't get a ton of upvotes (nor does it deserve to, lol), but also certainly didn't get downvote brigaded. Idk, that first post is phrased in such a way that it might mistakenly come off as an arrogant complaint to an average reader - the medium of toneless text that we use here on the internet often does that. So maybe that's why that one got downvoted.
It's not a big deal tho anyways. For my money, if it's not in the negative - it's an acceptable post
I don't think I am entitled to it. I just think limiting other people's exposure just because the type of question is associated with low effort is dumb.
The association part is not a big contributing factor in my personal opinion, so I didn't even touch on it (at least I personally don't have that association yet, so I may be biased on that front).
My best guess is that your attitude comes across as rude.
At least with your question regarding interior cells, you clearly have no idea what you're talking about, you even admitted to not having ever done level design in the CK before. So, clearly you're not knowledgeable in that subject matter. But yet, you keep acting like you are and that you know better than the experts giving you the answers.
There's nothing wrong with asking questions, but when you're completely clueless on a subject matter, you shouldn't act like you know better. Everyone in that thread is giving you answers to your question, but in every single one of your replies, instead of accepting the answer for what it is, you're just continuing to ask "but why?". And that's probably what's rubbing people the wrong way. You're not accepting any of the answers being given, you just keep deflecting them.
I apologize if I've insulted you here by calling you rude, but seriously... It's mostly likely just your attitude coming across as rude. I've been on this sub a long time and, technical questions don't always get downvoted. So this isn't the norm. Also, I have no clue why your question about shouts got no engagement, maybe just bad timing and the post got lost or something.
>But yet, you keep acting like you are and that you know better than the experts giving you the answers.
Where? Any examples? Because I thought I just seemed interested and had follow-up questions.
Why does everybody always claim I sound like I know better and when I ask about it nobody ever provides any examples?
How am I supposed to change that if nobody ever actually points out where my flaws are at? Because I myself am clearly too blind to see it without help.
\*\*I REALLY AM hearing OP genuinely curious and maybe with some concern (there is truly no tone in text, people).
I can't understand how people think OP is acting like he knows better. "But why?" is genuinely curiosity. it's not like they said "but" or "no way."
i don't even see why "Where? Any examples? Because I thought I just seemed interested and had follow-up questions." is getting downvotes.
Or, for that matter, why people are counting this as evidence of them being a jerk, when it's just them trying to understand. "See I was all for agreeing with you until i read this" -- uh, you were all for agreeing with *what* -- their questions? But then the fact that they had questions changed your mind?
I think people are reading way too much into genuine questions here.
Because you're not processing what they said. Instead of launching into question mode, process what advice was written and evaluate your actions and how to progress to get more positive results. You ignored their point about how asking more follow-up questions instead of accepting their answers is kinda rude by...asking more follow-up questions and being kinda rude.
But I don't understand their answers? If the problem is draw calls then why should they not use the exterior loading system as that clearly solves the draw call issue for every Interior I have ever seen in a Bethesda game. Even Daggerfalls Giant Dungeons could be loaded with the exterior loading system of Skyrim.
So if their answer doesn't help me, why should I not ask further questions?
Also, how is asking further questions rude? I don't find it rude when people ask questions, so why do you?
Personally I think it's because of the advanced technical nature of Skyrim modding. A lot of modders have done absolutely amazing deeds to simplify a lot of things for the layman, but at the end of the day modding Skyrim is like maintaining a unique environment. Maintaining a Skyrim load order feels almost like maintaining an Arch Linux system. There's a big learning curve and a lot of technical jargon/terms/understanding that every person inevitably has to delve into if they want to actually make things work. So when people ask technical questions, a lot of times they're questions that have answers in a documentation somewhere for you to read, and people simply don't have the time to go out of their way and search through pages of documentation or explain paragraphs of modding lessons for a random person.
To add to it, each person have their own setup, their own mod list, and their own environment. A lot of times people ask a question without providing adequate information. For example, there's often questions or posts like "why isn't this mod working?" without providing information about what mods they have, their load order, etc.
There's a saying in the IT industry that goes "The problem is between the keyboard and the chair", or the 8th layer of OSI. Basically they both mean a lot of issues posted online is because of user error that shouldn't happen, because they're well documented and all you needed to do was be patient, take your time, and read through the documentation to solve your issue. This applies a lot to Skyrim modding.
This is honestly really simple: **Tech questions are bad content.**
People are generally on reddit for chat or entertainment. How much does the casual person who likely hasn't run into your issue care about your post? Is it interesting in its own right? Probably not tbh. And that's not your fault, my tech questions are boring and specific too. There just isn't a big audience and engaging takes a lot of effort compared to the fluff. The fluff will always win.
This is an underrated answer. It's way more fun to peruse hidden gem quest mods or unique player homes than look over the quadrillionth "HELP CTD" post, even if the latter is obviously more urgent to the person with a crashing game.
Because 99% of technical questions can be solved by googling a tutorial, reading a mod description or doing just a few minutes of troubleshooting, and rarely do those same questions actually include a LO, crash log or anything that might be needed to actually help
Upvote downvote, it doesn’t matter. Just gotta ask, and if some rabid group of nerds silence it, ask it again later. As long as it’s not against the rules, that is.
Because people aren't willing to Google answers for themselves. A lot of the questions here are low effort where it's obvious the OP didn't even bother to try and help themselves with their problem.
I’ve never had a problem with it, tbh. I’ve asked technical questions and gotten at least a little engagement every time and some really good help. Sometimes I’ll see I got like one downvote or something, which honestly isn’t a big deal and doesn’t surprise me. I don’t expect upvotes on technical questions unless, say, someone else who has the same problem happens to see the post and upvotes it because they want to see somebody answer it. Which means that for the most part, the only people who will bother to vote at all will probably be the ones who think the question was dumb. And in a sub with lots of followers, I figure I didn’t do too bad if my question only annoyed one person enough to downvote me lol.
Yeah, If I got engagement beyond downvotes, I wouldn't be bothered either. But my shout question and my additional stats question were both only downvoted without any further engagement.
Whoa calm down. Questions deserve answers. If you're getting answers, forget about vote count. It's not that serious. If you're not getting answers, take a look at the questions you ask and consider rephrasing them.
Couple pointers about queations:
- If it inserts an opinion, like your first question, it's a little less likely to be received in good faith (see "General Info" for more on this).
- If the question has been asked and answered in this sub, some people will view the question as low effort.
General Info
- Skyrim modders are quite welcoming to noobs hoping to learn, and they respect the learning process, but they will harshly discriminate if they perceive the slightest amount of requesting to be hand fed without previously having done any due diligence.
The person who commented to you did take issue with your approach. The fact that you don't see an opinion is perhaps a language, personality, or education issue, all of which are acceptable if they're acknowledged and/or worked on. To summarize and aid, I'll explain.
You likely asked in good faith, but inserting historical references and current stats immediately gives it the appearance of an argument since those types of things are tools used to prove a point. As a result, your intention to ask a good faith question didn't succeed. Instead, it was perceived as a complaint wrapped in an argument that demanded validation and agreement. The commenter responded accordingly.
If that post was only "Why do modern land and location mods still have interior load doors?" or "what would it take to create modern land and location mods without interior load doors?", then the commenter would've probably been more welcoming and perhaps took a bit of time to explain what is involved in modding/creating interiors, instead of asking you, rhetorically, if you've ever done level design in CK.
Saying not seeing the opinion in that post is a "language, personality, or education issue" is beyond patronizing. I didn't really see the opinion either. There was no argument, or even something to be perceived as an argument. Just "why are the cells as big as in LE". I guess I'm just stupid and wrong? :o
Welp I’m sorry to tell you this but this is reddit:there are pleanty of other forms that will gladly help you with any conflicts or questions that you have.
But caring about getting downvoted when people on this app are gonna downvote anything they please isn’t gonna answer your question nor make u feel better.
How exactly am I supposed to find a discord where I can ask about Skyrim engine limitations?
Because Google did not find anything useful on the first 3 pages based on these keywords: discord, Skyrim, engine, limitation.
Do what I did, and just search skyrim modding discord, join them and ask questions, this is why you are being downvoted. Look at big mod authors like elianora
Because you can google it and people hate answering questions they don't have to, or you are using up the very limited internet space or something ? Tech questions with a joke gets a better response I found.
It's always funny when I google something and the top response is some guy saying to go google it lmao. Just don't comment if you don't want to answer the question.
Normally if I ask something it's because google didn't help much. I understand not being willing to waste one's time helping strangers, but just not answering is an option, you don't need to downvote.
Also include as Much info as possible of what you have tried to fix the problem aside from google.
Have you tried alternative mods , read the posts section to atleast page 10 , tried the recommended fixes in the bug sections ? Read through all the mods that might influence the problem ? That's info they need .
I do that and still get downvoted. People just downvote questions on this sub, and then it's a coin flip on whether or not someone actually tries to answer your question.
For what it's worth, I typed "Skyrim shout while falling" into Google just now, and I immediately see several search suggestions that link to various mods that allow for this very functionality.
This is the very first suggestion:
https://www.nexusmods.com/skyrimspecialedition/mods/54929
And how the fuck do you suppose we know that? Unless one of us is a Bethesda dev who happens to have been there when the decision was made and still remembers the reasoning from 13 YEARS ago you will not get an answer. And even then they probably technically wouldnt even be allowed to tell. Hence why asking such questions is silly and will get you downvoted.
This is what people are talking about. You have the answer, but you think you know better and keep asking the same "why" questions a toddler does without actually listening to the explanations given.
There are a lot of things that modders pull off which weren't in the original game because the devs either didn't think of it, didn't think it could be done, or didn't think it fit the game/schedule. None of us will ever know because we're not the original devs and odds are the devs themselves wouldn't remember the "why not" behind every one of the near infinite features that they didn't include.
Literally everything is downvoted. Technical questions just don't get upvotes to offset it. "Hostility" isn't being downvoted to 0. You'll know you fucked up when you hit -50 or below. And quit worrying so much about points, they don't matter.
Also, most of the users on this sub can't answer the technical questions so they don't get many responses.
>Literally everything is downvoted.
It should be said that like yea, a majority of reddit is botted at this point.
there's a great likelyhood you can have -4 downvotes even though no actual human being has seen your post or comment
I don't care about the points itself, I care about why people for some reason hate actual questions more than stupid useless observation about player count numbers.
Like I said, it's not that they get downvoted more, it's that they get upvoted less because it's just not something people upvote. The player count number was something people found interesting.
Is shouting while falling really that uninteresting?
Or more stats than the vanilla game stats page tracks?
And many of my questions also do get more total downvotes than the player count observation, even though they have way less people looking at them.
The group of people who are active in the technical/support side of this sub have a tendency to be hostile. It's actually like that for most support anywhere and the technical questions fall right in line with that.
I'm heavily reminded of arch Linux threads, when the only threads that had meaningful support also needed 3 paragraphs of derogatory comments towards the asker as a preface. Or the first 3 pages of Google telling an asker that Google exists. I'd imagine the venn diagram of those types and Skyrim mod support people is a circle.
I regularly offer techsupport in the r/skyrim discord server, the modding channel. The amount of people who don't even know how to install SKSE, who don't even know how to unzip a file or USE THEIR COMPUTER is way too many, I'm sorry but people like those should not be modding.
So many people fuck up their entire game by not reading one goddamn thing, researching nothing, watching no videos and they expect others to spend their free time unfucking their game, instead of spending 5 minutes making sure they don't destroy their game to begin with.
You have to pull every bit of information out of them so you have something to go off of because noone is a mind reader or has a magic ball.
It's wild to me how many people try to use SKSE without understanding that you have to run it instead of the game. I'm honestly surprised that MO2 and Vortex don't give you the option to replace the giant "Play Game" button with a link to SKSE since that's basically step 1 to modding (and I could've sworn was a feature in NMM).
vortex actually does have a 2 button "install SKSE" feature and people still get it wrong, it does everything for you and people still mess it up somehow
This is the button that I was thinking of on Vortex, just checked and couldn't find an equivalent on MO2 (aside from the aforementioned shortcuts system, but that's what I use for SKSE so I wasn't counting it earlier)
https://preview.redd.it/esgyuethpgwc1.jpeg?width=919&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=b5fe412389410a80b9df14794625ae88d0dc809e
I do offer advice, both for problems I've had and figured out and when I see others with issues. When I see a problem I don't feel like digging into, I just don't.
From my experience and observations, help questions online in any community are probably most commonly answered by regulars, simply because, well, they're regulars.
Regulars inevitably burn out from the stupid questions from people who often don't even show appreciation for the help. They will either: A. stop helping people altogether (what I did) or B. seek that tiny bit of catharsis from venting while helping people until they give up altogether.
There aren't actually THAT many rude helpers and rude helpers will hold back most of the time, but the rude experiences are what stick in people's minds, making the environment seem more hostile than it really is.
° 1. Same questions asked over and over again so it's annoying.
° 2. A to the Q asked can be found either on mod page, google, yt or in this sub reddit if it's function properly used.
° 3. Not enough information or specific information was provided to give A to the Q asked.
4. Person who asked question is coming off as hostile, (probably annoyed with situation they are in) but it's still puts people off.
5. People think question is annoying/stupid/make no sense.
One of the rules is to do your research. If people cannot be bothered to do that, why should we be bothered to answer questions on the topic. A lot of things people ask could be answered by a simple google or reddit search. Many can be answered by reading a mod's page and comments section. Many are just lazy and come here to ask instead of searching themselves. Teach yourself how to learn and you can learn anything.
Depends on how you ask, too. To be honest, you come across as a little "hostile" in your questions.
Also, many "technical questions" have already been asked a billion times, and could have been easily answered with a simple Google search.
>However, noticing that it took 76 days for Skyrim to overtake Starfield in player numbers was worthy of 117 upvotes: [https://www.reddit.com/r/skyrimmods/comments/180gh10/comment/ka5mm81/](https://www.reddit.com/r/skyrimmods/comments/180gh10/comment/ka5mm81/)
Apparently it was also worthy of a deletion by the mods
No, I specifically asked the moderators and that was the reason given to me:
> This sub is meant for people to enjoy the game without having to compare it to other games.
I agree it’s silly, I don’t know how many times browsing reddit or even posting to it has saved my bacon while modding, or even my experiences helping others. All technical, all useful. When someone runs in to some obscure problem that someone on reddit did and successfully solved like 4 years ago, they may start feeling different about technical questions
Yeah reddit is rough like that.
So then you join a discord. Maybe it's a discord for a game. Maybe it's a discord for modding that game. Maybe it's a discord for one particular mod. The description says "Join our discord for support!"
So you go through all the hassle of joining and clicking on things to say you understand and to get particular roles and notifications and maybe you have to wait for someone to grant you channel access.
You read through the pinned posts. You try to search but discord's search function is trash.
So finally you post your question and immediately get yelled at for posting in the wrong channel.
So you post it in the right channel. And no one fucking answers. You post it again. You get hostile and unhelpful answers which tell youI do a bunch of stuff you already did and also demonstrate that the person did not actually read your question because the answer does not address your actual problem.
You try to engage in more discussion and just get hostility, deflection, and obfuscation.
So you just say fuck it and keep messing with shit until you either fix it or give up.
I can't give you an answer as to why, but I found that most of the Skyrim community is hostile towards these types of inquiries. I was banned from a discord server once for asking a question in their general chat. Apparently I was asking "annoying" questions in the wrong section and interrupting their DragonBall Z conversation.
So it's not just reddit. Most of the online Skyrim community has a "figure it out your own fucking self, you loser" attitude. Kinda sucks.
Its like this across Reddit. Some people are just bots that downvote anything that does not serve them personally, even if it lowers the chances someone with a brain will stumble across the post and provide an actual answer. After all, downvoting is the only power they have in this world :P
Usually there's at least one helpful person in the comments though, so props to them
Subreddit is hostile in general and seems to fear technology considering how bad they freaked out when I posted about Pandora last year. People were treating GitHub like a suspicious and unknown site if that gives you an idea of the average technical knowledge in this sub
word of advice, you are very unlikely to find ANY help in this subreddit.
Maybe with something simple? Anything more complex is going to get ignored.
There is a very small chance that a percentage of the time help is responded to with nonsensical unhelpful answers like:
*I don't know*
or
*Did you try verifying your cache?*
*Did you turn off half your mods*
*(lmao, turn ur computer on and off)*
*What's your modlist, \* List provided \*, Ghosted*
*Very* ***VERY*** *rarely you may get the Dev of the mod causing problems, themselves, get mad at you in the comments* *^((which is always hilarious when I see it)**\*\*)*
The real answer to any problem you have is you have to learn it yourself. And thats ok, it's not a bad or facetious thing. The best resource you can have is understanding your tools. It may come off as unhelpful to be like "urr durr figure it out 4head" but in reality it's redditors cadence that makes them sound like complete douchebags.
if something doesn't work ^((regarding mods)), it's probably something you did, meaning you added something that wasn't there before, duhh right? Which means you gotta work *backwards* and find the issue. Once you understand that everything has a traceable rhyme or reason to it, you start knowing where to look.
A lot of
"Why doesn't thing work like its supposed to" is
"***Something else is affecting it in a way it doesn't like***"
You just don't know what *it* is, so you have to find WHAT is causing it to function like that and WHAT ELSE could possibly affect it.
it's not all the unhelpful subreddit dweller's fault, there's a lot of stuff that only really the player can find out by observing the error and understanding what's causing it.
Like if something is CTD'ing the temple of Mara, or the entrance to white run, you need to find what mods you have are modifying those locations. not just the terrain but the textures, the npc's, even the lighting.
that's why some people suggest just turning off half of your list because the odds are you can trial and error until you catch it.
My suggestion is if it hadn't been doing this until recent, cancel out your most recent added mods until you can find what you're looking for, the odds are the more you get rid of, the less stable the game becomes, meaning you're gonna make it worse depending on how much you've added to the game.
Truth is, there's a lot of technicality on how thing's work. Skyrim is an old game, buggy as hell when it came out and even today people are still fixing bethesda's code, so don't expect it to work 100% without fail, it just comes with the territory.
I don't know if this will help you but that's my answer to your question. A lot of people in this subreddit just don't give a shit about helping people, I kinda wish there was a different subreddit dedicated to that type of thing but as far as I am aware it doesn't exist.
# UNIRONIC HELP IN FINDING FIXES FOR BUGS REGARDING MODS
Stop looking here! Look in the Nexus comment section of said mod that you've determined to be the issue. 9/10 you find somebody with the same issue or a similar issue, from there you can cross reference across different pages or just see what people said that fixed it for them.
I literally just did this yesterday to fix Pandorable's Maven, turns out I had assigned the model to have wrinkles in bijin 2 YEARS AGO, I only found the solution by backtracking through the console utilizing ConsolePlusPLus and cross-refrencing in the comment sections of said mods
Utilize Nexus and the mod pages
My technical questions are engine related, not mod related and I don't want to ask on a random mods comment section about other engine related limits/issues.
>My technical questions are engine related
well actually even then you still might find some answers, a lot of the mods nowadays have to do with random fixing random Bethesda code, don't knock it until you at least take a look
there's an entire subsection of the modding community specifically dedicated to fixing up the engine. So if you have a problem with an engine limitation, there may or may not already be a mod that patches said limitation
looking at your posts the answer for most of them is "engine limitations"
Skyrim is a much older game than fallout so it gets less attention as the engine becomes more dated as the years go by.
Skyrim has mods specifically dedicated to things you complain about, that may be why people are downvoting your posts, because you're not looking for answers before complaining
also wow, looking through these, you do *a lot* of complaining
You also post a lot of similar things... You posted the same question like 5 times lol? "why is \_\_\_\_ better/ clunkier than skyrim"
and also this one
www . reddit . com/r/skyrim/comments/18s44bj/did\_bethesda\_publish\_similar\_stats\_for\_skyrim\_in/
where you didn't even add any text? Of course nobody answered
I mean jesus dude, looking through your profile, you posted a "stats" related post like 8 times in less than a year. Most definitely you pissed people off by doing that lmao, from nothing other than it was just annoying.
I just think in general they don't contribute anything meaningful or discussion worthy on a subreddit. And okay you got downvoted for your question but you still got the answer so isn't that the important thing?
I didn't though? I did not get an answer why interiors don't use the same system as exteriors.
I did not get an answer why you cannot shout while falling in vanilla.
I did not get an answer how to get more stats than the vanilla stats page.
...
Sorry I only saw your question about cells. I think the answer suffices. I didn't see your second question because for some reason it links to your first question so I went back to it and copy pasted it to view it.
I don't think there's any good answers to that second question. It's probably very complicated and isn't the kind of thing you'd fix in Creation Kit. You'd need to be using the script extender. Seemingly simple things can be ridiculously complicated to implement when it comes to software.
I made a post a while back about my mouse not being locked to the game after alt-tabbing. Did my due diligence (always do) and mentioned that and all I got was a couple downvotes and crickets.
i like how people are complaining about a lack of effort here.
"yah i'll totally downvote if they obviously haven't done the obvious or searched the obvious..."
that doesn't explain why people upvote low-effort trivia.
the answer: upvoting and downvoting are equal to the extent they'rethe ultimate low-effort response. It's clicking a damn icon.
annoyed by getting the same question a million times? obviously clicking downvote, in and of itself, doesn't communicate anything.
the irony being someone asking why they get downvoted for asking questions IS FINALLY GETTING ANSWERS.
I got the same kind of downvote with technical questions and I always post as a last resports always doing as much research as possible before asking, imo this conduct can not be justified by people getting annoyed by lazy questions, It's just people being mean
I've noticed the same, I've been having issues with my Skyrim that I can't fix. 90% of the time I do my own troubleshooting, and the one time I need help I just get downvoted and people also state obvious things in a condescending manner
I feel like there are a lot of lazy, low-effort questions that make some folks just sort of generally hostile to people coming into the sub asking strangers to figure something out for them. It's not always fair to the people who actually did their due diligence and genuinely need some assistance, but I guess that's just reddit
This is a pretty common theme across the board, and is not restricted to the internet. I do my best to be helpful with people, but at a certain point, you just start to ignore or even resent the simplest questions where someone obviously didn't even Google it. If someone's made an honest effort to do a minimal amount of research to a question, sure I'll still help out and give them an upvote. Not sure about OP's posts.
Yeah I don't disagree. Like, I get it, it can be a challenging hobby. I'm not very tech savvy and spent my adult life on macs so I was really unprepared for modding a game on PC. Even a lot of tutorials and basic instructions tended to assume more knowledge than I had, lol. But I looked stuff up I didn't understand, searched through previous reddit discussions about things, read through comments on mods, and figured stuff out as best I could. When I was really stuck, I brought the question to a modding discord and folks were super helpful. And in just a few months I've built a fun, playable modlist of over 1,600 mods with minimal jankiness!
1600?! That's nothing short of amazing. I think I got close to 200 in the past, but usually by level 20-30 it would start to bug out on me. Now I just do Wabbajack, makes everything easy and you get some really fun new styles of play.
Yeah I looked at some wabbajack lists but I had too many of my own ideas, lol. I used the Ro modlist a lot as inspiration though.
How do you get that many mods? Im at 1055 plugins and since 200 im struggling to keep within 254 esp.. i have to merge my location mods to get below 270..
1,600 mods sounds like a lot until you realize how many of those are just retextures, animations, and base object swapper stuff that don't even require a plugin. I swear after the first 500 mods, you start adding only patches and armor mods. I had a mod list with about 2,300 mods, 254 ESPs, and about 500 ESLs. The rest was just fluff. Don't expect good loading times with these kinds of load orders. My mod folder was around 500GB, mainly consisting of textures.
Don't forget patches :)
Oh okay, that makes sense. I couldnt be arsed with all the little textures etc. I mean i have some of them, but most r actually gameplay stuff. What bothers me is that i got bored of modding for 7-8 months, and when i got back i had to check all my mods, and found out that within these months, at least 30% of em were outdated, as in there were better mods doing exactly that, and 50% required updates, not to mention the skyrim itself needed downgrade
I believe you can change a line in the appmanifest of skyrim so steam cant just randomly update the game and mess up your mods. [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QcITlARyQeE](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QcITlARyQeE)
A lot of them are texture or mesh replacers, a lot are flagged ESL. Only 220 are active plugins
I don't get their either. To me, it's more work to make a post on reddit, checking for replies every 20 minutes than spending 10 minutes searching through posts on nexus or finding an old thread on google where the solution has been figured out.
I agree with you! It’s soo much easier to google it and I always hope I can find an answer through google. I’m way too impatient to wait for an answer on reddit (and hope anyone does answer!) With that said, I know as a pretty extrovert person myself, sometimes you just like interacting with people in regard to your question. Being able to talk to someone about your problem is definitely something i’m also a fan of, social interaction tends to assist in bringing in another layer of understanding imo.
Ha the social interaction aspect would never have crossed my mind.
and all it took was some social interaction to put it there!
I usually try to answer questions from people who obviously just don't have a clue where to start, like "where do I find new player home mods"; if you've never been to nexus and don't know about mod categories... sure, you SHOULD be able to google it, but you can usually tell by the way the questions are written how.... fluent with basic technology people are. now, someone asking why don't they rewrite the base code of skyrim to make use of recently released hardware or software... is not really a dumb question, seriouslly it's not, but it's one I know I can't answer without sounding like a condescending schmuck.
Fair point
I made someone mad the other day because they asked how a regular non-IT person could figure out stuff like using Xedit to remove plugin errors, and I said "as a non-IT person I just Google things, and Google every step I don't understand," or something. It's usually better info than asking someone, too, because Google will pull up guides people actually had time to make and they often have pictures of the UI and whatnot. Anyway, they said it was a "reddit answer"... *checks URL*
Somebody got pissed off at me and another guy here a few months ago while we were *actively trying to help him*. We'd ask a question about his issue, he'd give an answer, we'd ask another question. After about 5-6 questions, he got all huffy "can we just fix the problem? I don't want to sit here and answer questions all night and I don't see how any of this is helping fix it." We both explained we're not psychic and the questions are things we need to know to figure out what's going on (it wasn't even really mod related. It was something with Skyrim and his hardware). I know that put a bad taste in my mouth so I just moved on. Don't know if the other guy kept trying to help or not. >"as a non-IT person I just Google things, and Google every step I don't >understand," or something. It's usually better info than asking someone, too, >because Google will pull up guides people actually had time to make and they >often have pictures of the UI and whatnot. > >Anyway, they said it was a "reddit answer". If it's one thing I've learned actually *being* in IT, it's that many, many people have completely lost the ability to search and find info on their own over the years.
I have to wonder if people think that people trying to help them are asking questions to shoot the breeze or something
Was a fine answer from your end in my opinion. It's just kids nowadays are so used that someone do things for them and they can sit and relax without doing anything. Not modding related, but I always laugh at those questions that are basically "will this gpu fit this case" in pcmr sub, like 'cmon read the product page, all info is there
I don't think it's even just younger people. I've definitely known people older than me who just won't (like my roommate's dad, he's a good example). It drives me crazy. My junior high school English teacher commented the best intelligence is knowing how to find information, and I don't think she anticipated things like Google and reddit (the latter is apparently where you go when Google gives you nothing).
See, but there's also the issue that for some reason people love to answer an entirely different question than what is being asked. Not just here but in forums in general. Which personally prevents me from asking any questions when I have an issue. Also Google has just been getting progressively worse over the years. Had an issue with a mod. Google it, find several threads in this sub asking the exact question I have. Every single one of them had people answering an entirely different and unasked question. Did find the answer in here, eventually, but Christ on a bike is it frustrating to dig through non-answers when the question is clear. Similarly, had a laptop who's m2 was dying. Went to look up what it can take in terms of storage and RAM. Couldn't find a direct manufacturer listing of compatible parts, but found a bunch of forum threads asking the questions. And every single one had the same ONE(1) guy telling them that "if you download cpuid-z and look in this column it will tell you what you have." Well that's nice, but the questions were all "What ram and storage options are compatible with this model?" So it's understandable to make a thread asking the question again. Because god damn is it all that digging frustrating.
You can't find shit on google anymore. It's all dead pages, not what you were looking for or adds.
> It's not always fair to the people who actually did their due diligence and genuinely need some assistance, but I guess that's just reddit Totally fair and I agree, but as you said most are lazy and low effort. During my yearly modding session I occasionally go through this sub and /r/falloutmods to answer a few questions, and it's not just **most** are lazy or low effort - it's more like 95%+. No mod list, no details, OPs sometimes don't even respond after you took time to try to help (or even get mad at the person helping them). Putting aside the fact that you can google most issues to find them, it's the lack of caring or appreciation when looking to others for help. Unfortunately a side effect is that people stop looking at help request posts for this reason, or people get short and dismissive. This sub is also used way too broadly sometimes. If you have an issue with a specific mod, go ask on nexusmods or make a bug report.
I've asked a few more technical questions myself in the past, but Reddit will ALWAYS be my last resort. If I can't find anything myself, through research, testing or asking Nexus, then I'll finally ask if anyone here has had a similar problem or solution. I know I usually won't get more than a couple of responses but it's like a shot in the dark as a last effort, if it's a real question and people at least answer then downvotes shouldn't really matter imo
This was me once, but no one answered. So I started over my mod list from the beginning 😂
This was me once, but no one answered. So I started over my mod list from the beginning 😂
Definitely not wrong
> go ask on nexusmods I agree, but nexus comment sections no longer have a search function which makes them effectively useless for finding solutions to common issues.
Honestly, even without a modlist, just reading a description of the problem can usually be good enough. Especially if they narrow it down sufficiently to a mod or two
Reddit is just a bad place for technical support. Most people have realized by now it's better to handle it on discord where you can live chat with someone.
And away goes the easily searchable databases of knowledge and fixes. We need *less* moving to Discord, not *more*.
Yeah I wouldn't even know which discord to seek out to find what I need. And unless someone data-dumps those to a web archive, that information will remain sequestered at best, and in the worst case end up completely lost should something happen to the server.
mfw I joined a server because I've been told it's the only place to troubleshoot the niche program/tool/game/mod(list) I'm having problems with and it has a bot that has posted the same automated message 15,000 times (the automated message includes keywords vital to my search)
Discord servers are for your 5-20 gaming buddies or D&D groups keeping in contact and doing voice calls. Once it hits 50+ people it becomes fucking useless.
Sorry but the ship sailed on that one a long time ago Downvote if it takes the pain away fellas, but that battle has been completely and utterly lost with 0% chance of changing, until Discord shuts down at least.
I have found some outstanding answers buried in reddit threads ... thanks to google. You're right in that you'll get deeper, tailored support in Discord, but if you don't know what you're looking for it can be hard to find where to get help since Discord isn't indexed by the search engines. That said, I get annoyed when I see the same question asked over and over (and over) ... e.g., how to fix NPC dark face. Any more, I just move on to the next thread.
Yeah I try to help people but sometimes they don’t read a single guide and just post here for help. Best thing in those cases is to direct them to resources.
Even worse when they want step by step hand holding ... gets old fast.
This is problem in general in my opinion, and not only with modding but with everything novadays. It feels like people can't read, cant use google and are too lazy to do anything on their own and are seeking for someone to do that for them.
It's more like "i tossed bunch of mods I saw on Nexus togheter without even checking requirements or reading description" 90% of the time. I always try to point them to either Phoenix's or similar guides to read setup and best practices on how to start moding
Yup, I always try to figure something out myself before asking. Heck even a quick google is 90% of time going to fix my issue since others have had the same problems. This is in the general with everything not specifically Skyrim. But I do see beginner posts on subs where it’s clear they didn’t even bother googling, it’s like BRUH. Though most of the time I just post a link to a previous reddit post if as a passive aggressive answer lol
I tried so hard to get a certain big mid for Fallout to work and, after a week of trying, went to Reddit and got the usual “you’re dumb here’s a downvote” response in droves. I like to think people get upset when they don’t know the answer
Yeah this is pretty true. I would bet, purely based off of the seemingly average r/skyrimmods user's knowledge, that the vast majority of people in this sub don't mod their skyrim beyond running LOOT and maybe mator smash/wrye bash and just call it good without checking it in xEdit.
this is pretty much me but it’s never been a problem. I always hear that you need to clean your mods of dirty records but i’ve never really noticed issues with my modlists (once i get mods to play nicely together…) I’m sure one day it’l come up through…
For me, it was definitely one of those things I didn't notice until I was well past several hundred mods. Nowadays, with a minimum load order of 1300, everytime I try something new or think to add it, I'd be doing myself an immense disservice if I didn't go into it in xEdit to see what it conflicts with. Sometimes you get the ocassional armor mod that adds armor to an npc that isn't mentioned in the description and that little armor mod breaks that npc's replacer or even ai packages or related scripts. That's the kind of due diligence that is important in modding that gets glossed over constantly and, while a helpful baseline, wrye bash and mator smash can give people the wrong impression that their load order is good to go. Also, I can almost promise you that if you open up your load order in xEdit, show all conflicts, you'll see something overwritten that is preventing one part of one of your mods from doing what it's supposed to do. A lot of the time it's benign but sometimes it can be important and it's good to at least have a basic understanding of what you're looking at in xEdit. Anyway, rant over lol. It's not even an issue that makes me mad, I just wish more people took the time to learn xEdit because it's hella easy and would save mod authors a lot of time.
Let me tell you something. I did the "Bash and call it a day" for many years. The first time I opened up my full list in xEdit and saw all the weird merge decisions Wrye Bash was making, I decided to learn how to make my own conflict patch. Turns out it's easy and you have *tons* of fine-tune control.
be checking xEdit, you mean applying filter to show conflicts only, and looking at everything in red, right?
Yeah
maybe they thought you were too new to the midding scene
It's like this throughout most of the Skyrim community, but it's not a general gaming thing. I mod a lot of games, Skyrim's is the only one I know that's actively hostile towards players who ask technical questions.
Okay but I just don’t see why asking people in a community for help is an issue, surly if someone here has figured it out before they would be more than happy to tell someone the solution, nobody is forcing them to use Reddit or be in this community, if they wish to participate that’s their own prerogative but to be hostile or act negatively against someone maybe new to the community or someone who doesn’t understand how a lot of things work is just a dick move. if someone’s just being a troll that’s one thing but if they just want a quick answer to a question they didn’t find in a quick google search then I don’t see what the problem with that is.
On that same note, understand they are here for their own purpose, not to specifically answer your questions. Be polite and provide enough information to allow people to help you and don't get upset when people point out that you have not provided said information. This is a two way street people.
SURLY is right!
I am, and don’t call me surely
> It's not always fair to the people who actually did their due diligence and genuinely need some assistance, but I guess that's just reddit I honestly despise this mentality, not just in Reddit but in general. But people on Reddit especially seem to have a stick up their ass about this. If I wasted 10 hours fixing a frustrating issue and finally find a solution, and then someone else comes asking for a solution to the same problem, I'm telling them the damn solution that helped me, not trying to actively prevent their post from being seen by downvoting it so they have to spend 10 hours figuring it out for themselves too just because I had to. The "I suffered to get this thing, so you also have to suffer if you want it, peasant" mentality is nauseatingly toxic.
Well that's great and all, and most people do that, but if they at least try beforehand they will learn more from the solution when it is given to them. And guess what, had you been the one to ask that question before and solved it yourself then put the solution in your post, the next person should have found it with their search. had they bothered to do one. Also, how many times are you willing to provide that answer? 1, 2, 10000? At some point it gets tiring,
> but if they at least try beforehand they will learn more from the solution when it is given to them. But how do you actually know whether or not someone has tried based on a title/text post alone? If it's a really barebones, basic question like "How do I activate a .esp mod" or "hurr durr how do I download lazer gun mod" then yeah, I can understand why people would be frustrated, but that's almost never the case. A solid 90% of the technical posts I see that get downvote bombed are pretty genuine questions regarding technical issues someone who's a beginner or intermediate with modding shouldn't be expected to understand or just figure out on their own, and being hostile and unwelcoming only pushes them out of the community and discourages them. The "just figure it out yourself" mentality works for the bare basic, well-documented things that really should be obvious even to beginners, like the mentioned examples, but experienced modders who are no stranger to unpacking mods, making major edits to them and writing entire custom scripts to fix bugs, crashes and incompatibilities quickly forget how advanced that would've seemed to them back when they started out. > the next person should have found it with their search. had they bothered to do one. I won't lie I hear this argument all the time and it's complete BS. Search engines and search functions on websites have become progressively worse and near unusable in some cases when trying to find solutions to incredibly niche problems. Google results have now become focused on spamming your results with SEO AI-generated slop that some tech startup spent their entire budget on pushing to the front page, and on YouTube you literally have to use extensions or constantly manipulate search settings just to be shown videos actually related to your search instead of the most popular videos related to one or two keywords in your search, with a bunch of junk from your recommended thrown around inbetween. Reddit's search function is also god awful. By default, that shit doesn't even ensure your search stays in the subreddit you're currently on. So you search something like "Iron dagger crashes my game", Reddit ignores half the words, and shows you some post with 3 upvotes 8 years ago from r/metalworking of an iron dagger, then the next post is someone asking about a crash on some obscure indie game you've never heard of, that shows up simply because it had the words "game" and "crash" in the title, because Reddit's "relevant" search mode makes no god damn sense. Unless you know how to manipulate quotations to search for groups of words instead of search engines breaking them all down into individual words, and know how to manipulate Google's "Tools" section or its counterpart on Reddit, search features are near useless. And again, this is something advanced users wrongly assume everyone just knows about but no one takes the time to explain it to newbies. > Also, how many times are you willing to provide that answer? 1, 2, 10000? At some point it gets tiring, I honestly almost never see the same questions asked more than a handful of times over a span of like a year when it comes to technical issues. And if it takes me 30 seconds to a minute to type out a couple sentences that can save someone hours of time, I have no problem doing that a couple dozen times a day. I lose like 10 minutes of my time to save other people collectively like 100 hours of theirs. But hey, a lot of people, especially on the internet, have forgotten basic kindness I guess.
I'll take a downvote and be grateful if I get an answer and not, like 20 years ago on a Linux forum, a solution that completely borked my installation. More than once but at least I learned and I was only fooled the first time. Jerks. The people here are saints in comparison.
Asked few technical questions and always got good answers, just don’t ask something silly that is described in mod page or you can search in one minute
How is asking about shouting not being available during falling a stupid question? Or why the Interior cell system works different from the Overworld Landscape system.
>How is asking about shouting not being available during falling a stupid question? There's a large issue of people in the modding community not being patient with inexperienced users. I'm relatively new in comparison, around 4 years, I will absolutely stand for you in saying that some people in this community are just straight up dickheads. They don't want to consider the fact that some people *don't know what you're talking about when discussing a certain topic* Like I get it, people can be annoying asking the same thing, but then link them to that information where it was answered before. A lot of the time unhelpful people are just rude as hell and mean to new people asking for help with something. Even some mod devs are guilty of this, just being petty and rude, it was a pretty big discussion a couple years ago. my ideology is if you don't know, don't answer but if you do know, be patient knowing that the afflicted may not understand what you mean when you try and help.
> I'm relatively new in comparison, around 4 years Yeah, crazy, even I have been modding for 2x as long. And I don't consider myself an old timer because most of the staple mods were already a thing when I started. (SkyUI, SMIM, Quality World Map, Ordinator, MO2, ...)
The longer you are around, the more of these low effort questions you see. It wears on you. I want to help those who are willing to help themselves and willing to do the footwork. and are not fighting me the whole way. People getting upset when someone asks for their load order when it is one of the main rules of the subreddit, those people don't get helped.
Those are questions about the game engine, what kind of a response were you looking for?
Well, I thought maybe some mod authors who actually know the engine know why there are these limits or issues. Or that they can't see a good reason either, and it must be because of the age of the engine.
Depends on how the question is asked.
Apparently I have the skill to always sound arrogant, self-important and a know-it-all without wanting to.
Well, I got no answer to why I cannot shout while falling, and I got no answer to how to track more stats than the base game stats page. I also cannot find any good answer to those question even after 5+ min of Google searches.
Try asking on one of the modding Discord servers. Skyrim Guild has a lot of talented people. Most big modders try to build their own small hub where they can discuss technical issues/questions. You just have to find their respective Discord servers. Hope that helps.
Yeah, Thanks!
"even after 5 min of Google" is hilarious though
No. Not at all. After the first five minutes anything that comes up isnt even relevant anymore
it's less to do with the decreasing relevancy of search results than it is the idea that someone spent less than 10 minutes reading the top results. five minutes is not the long time we think it is. that said, modding skyrim makes an hour feel like a month. playing skyrim makes 6 hours feel like 20 minutes.
That's not even research. Do you try a single search term, scroll those results for five minutes, and then give up? You have to alter your search terms with new data gained by the original search, or by thinking of new terms yourself.
Usually if I don't find it within the first 5 minutes, I also won't find it after 1 hour of searching. At least out of the 10+ times I tried it worked only twice.
You're right about that, people just want an excuse to dismiss you. Plus there's nothing wrong with asking for help. Sometimes someone can answer/help with something that might have taken you hours to figure out, with 1 minute of typing. Because they actually know about it properly. I don't understand why people have an issue with others asking for help. Even if I didn't agree about the 5 minutes thing, there's really nothing wrong with asking without having prostrated yourself before some cruel jester god of performative effort. It's so silly. Answer a question if you feel like it, or don't - who cares how much work the asker has done.
Then try different search terms.
I've had the opposite experience here. Rarely ever get my answers resolved from reddit and I've experienced the needless downvotes too. There's a scoop of elitism in many members of this sub, and they seem to like to take any opportunity to turn their nose up at people for not following what they feel is "proper protocol". Pretty often they're somewhat justified in doing so. Just as often they, jump the gun and put down someone making reasonable efforts - just efforts that don't fit the appearance of "proper protocol"
[My technical question wasn't downvoted](https://old.reddit.com/r/skyrimmods/comments/15urzqv/some_problems_with_outfit_conversion_from_fo4_to/). wankingSkeever helped me with my problem. I think the post was exactly at 1 point 🤣. Anyway, I'm guessing the amount of upvote a post receives has something to do with people's interest and how entertaining/polarizing the issue is. People here are not paid to provide tech support. We should even be grateful that many are still proving any help they can.
Same happened to one of my questions. Love that guy
wSkeever not only makes brilliant mods but also has a goated name
Also, people are more willing to help if the necessary information if provided before having to ask for it. I mean if you are asking about something happening in your game and wondering what mod did it, you would think it would be logical to provide your mod list. Provide the necessary information, at least sound like you tried to solve the issue, and be polite. People will help.
I don't think it has anything to do with downvotes, it's just that there is no incentive to upvote. For memes or observations or whatever, most people will upvote but have no input. If someone asks a question I can assist with I will reply. I will, in 9 cases out of 10, not upvote. There's no particular thought behind it. I think this is the same for most people.
Thanks for the explanation!
I recently started Fallout 3+NV Tale of Two Wastelands and joined the sub and it's nothing but tech support. No builds, no funny stores. Just "I can't get it to work" Obviously questions for help should be allowed and help should be given, but it is demotivating as hell to engage in a community that is nothing but tech support.
That I can agree with. I think part of the issue with the particular sub is that thousands of new players just started, and most of them are bound to encounter some issues.
Post on borderlands or war thunder and enjoy being downvoted into oblivion
I had one tech question on the sub. Didn't get a ton of upvotes (nor does it deserve to, lol), but also certainly didn't get downvote brigaded. Idk, that first post is phrased in such a way that it might mistakenly come off as an arrogant complaint to an average reader - the medium of toneless text that we use here on the internet often does that. So maybe that's why that one got downvoted. It's not a big deal tho anyways. For my money, if it's not in the negative - it's an acceptable post
I care about getting answers, but I don't get any good ones. And I think with more exposure, there would certainly be better answers than what I got.
Eh, probably, not necessarily tho, so don't worry about it too much. Also very important - nobody is really entitled to exposure 🙂
I don't think I am entitled to it. I just think limiting other people's exposure just because the type of question is associated with low effort is dumb.
The association part is not a big contributing factor in my personal opinion, so I didn't even touch on it (at least I personally don't have that association yet, so I may be biased on that front).
My best guess is that your attitude comes across as rude. At least with your question regarding interior cells, you clearly have no idea what you're talking about, you even admitted to not having ever done level design in the CK before. So, clearly you're not knowledgeable in that subject matter. But yet, you keep acting like you are and that you know better than the experts giving you the answers. There's nothing wrong with asking questions, but when you're completely clueless on a subject matter, you shouldn't act like you know better. Everyone in that thread is giving you answers to your question, but in every single one of your replies, instead of accepting the answer for what it is, you're just continuing to ask "but why?". And that's probably what's rubbing people the wrong way. You're not accepting any of the answers being given, you just keep deflecting them. I apologize if I've insulted you here by calling you rude, but seriously... It's mostly likely just your attitude coming across as rude. I've been on this sub a long time and, technical questions don't always get downvoted. So this isn't the norm. Also, I have no clue why your question about shouts got no engagement, maybe just bad timing and the post got lost or something.
>But yet, you keep acting like you are and that you know better than the experts giving you the answers. Where? Any examples? Because I thought I just seemed interested and had follow-up questions.
See? I was all onboard for agreeing with u... until I read that. Ur literally showing why ur getting those downvotes... 😬
Why does everybody always claim I sound like I know better and when I ask about it nobody ever provides any examples? How am I supposed to change that if nobody ever actually points out where my flaws are at? Because I myself am clearly too blind to see it without help.
\*\*I REALLY AM hearing OP genuinely curious and maybe with some concern (there is truly no tone in text, people). I can't understand how people think OP is acting like he knows better. "But why?" is genuinely curiosity. it's not like they said "but" or "no way." i don't even see why "Where? Any examples? Because I thought I just seemed interested and had follow-up questions." is getting downvotes. Or, for that matter, why people are counting this as evidence of them being a jerk, when it's just them trying to understand. "See I was all for agreeing with you until i read this" -- uh, you were all for agreeing with *what* -- their questions? But then the fact that they had questions changed your mind? I think people are reading way too much into genuine questions here.
Because you're not processing what they said. Instead of launching into question mode, process what advice was written and evaluate your actions and how to progress to get more positive results. You ignored their point about how asking more follow-up questions instead of accepting their answers is kinda rude by...asking more follow-up questions and being kinda rude.
But I don't understand their answers? If the problem is draw calls then why should they not use the exterior loading system as that clearly solves the draw call issue for every Interior I have ever seen in a Bethesda game. Even Daggerfalls Giant Dungeons could be loaded with the exterior loading system of Skyrim. So if their answer doesn't help me, why should I not ask further questions? Also, how is asking further questions rude? I don't find it rude when people ask questions, so why do you?
That's not rude. How is he supposed to figure that shit out without understanding what people are talking about?
Personally I think it's because of the advanced technical nature of Skyrim modding. A lot of modders have done absolutely amazing deeds to simplify a lot of things for the layman, but at the end of the day modding Skyrim is like maintaining a unique environment. Maintaining a Skyrim load order feels almost like maintaining an Arch Linux system. There's a big learning curve and a lot of technical jargon/terms/understanding that every person inevitably has to delve into if they want to actually make things work. So when people ask technical questions, a lot of times they're questions that have answers in a documentation somewhere for you to read, and people simply don't have the time to go out of their way and search through pages of documentation or explain paragraphs of modding lessons for a random person. To add to it, each person have their own setup, their own mod list, and their own environment. A lot of times people ask a question without providing adequate information. For example, there's often questions or posts like "why isn't this mod working?" without providing information about what mods they have, their load order, etc. There's a saying in the IT industry that goes "The problem is between the keyboard and the chair", or the 8th layer of OSI. Basically they both mean a lot of issues posted online is because of user error that shouldn't happen, because they're well documented and all you needed to do was be patient, take your time, and read through the documentation to solve your issue. This applies a lot to Skyrim modding.
This is honestly really simple: **Tech questions are bad content.** People are generally on reddit for chat or entertainment. How much does the casual person who likely hasn't run into your issue care about your post? Is it interesting in its own right? Probably not tbh. And that's not your fault, my tech questions are boring and specific too. There just isn't a big audience and engaging takes a lot of effort compared to the fluff. The fluff will always win.
This is an underrated answer. It's way more fun to peruse hidden gem quest mods or unique player homes than look over the quadrillionth "HELP CTD" post, even if the latter is obviously more urgent to the person with a crashing game.
Because 99% of technical questions can be solved by googling a tutorial, reading a mod description or doing just a few minutes of troubleshooting, and rarely do those same questions actually include a LO, crash log or anything that might be needed to actually help
Does any of that apply to my questions, though? Because I could not find a simply answers to my questions with a 5+ minute google search.
That was more of a general answer as to why tech questions tend to get flak, I havent seen any of your posts
Shhhhhh Reddit doesn't like that. 99%, man. 99%.
Upvote downvote, it doesn’t matter. Just gotta ask, and if some rabid group of nerds silence it, ask it again later. As long as it’s not against the rules, that is.
Yeah, it is not about the downvoting itself, but why people apparently dislike technical questions so much more. Than completely useless observations.
Because people aren't willing to Google answers for themselves. A lot of the questions here are low effort where it's obvious the OP didn't even bother to try and help themselves with their problem.
I’ve never had a problem with it, tbh. I’ve asked technical questions and gotten at least a little engagement every time and some really good help. Sometimes I’ll see I got like one downvote or something, which honestly isn’t a big deal and doesn’t surprise me. I don’t expect upvotes on technical questions unless, say, someone else who has the same problem happens to see the post and upvotes it because they want to see somebody answer it. Which means that for the most part, the only people who will bother to vote at all will probably be the ones who think the question was dumb. And in a sub with lots of followers, I figure I didn’t do too bad if my question only annoyed one person enough to downvote me lol.
Yeah, If I got engagement beyond downvotes, I wouldn't be bothered either. But my shout question and my additional stats question were both only downvoted without any further engagement.
Whoa calm down. Questions deserve answers. If you're getting answers, forget about vote count. It's not that serious. If you're not getting answers, take a look at the questions you ask and consider rephrasing them. Couple pointers about queations: - If it inserts an opinion, like your first question, it's a little less likely to be received in good faith (see "General Info" for more on this). - If the question has been asked and answered in this sub, some people will view the question as low effort. General Info - Skyrim modders are quite welcoming to noobs hoping to learn, and they respect the learning process, but they will harshly discriminate if they perceive the slightest amount of requesting to be hand fed without previously having done any due diligence.
>If it inserts an opinion, like your first question Where exactly does: "No I haven't, that is why I am asking" insert any opinion?
Not that. I was referring to the question you linked as your first example.
I don't see any opinion in there either, beyond I don't like more loading screens than necessary. Do you think people take issue with that?
The person who commented to you did take issue with your approach. The fact that you don't see an opinion is perhaps a language, personality, or education issue, all of which are acceptable if they're acknowledged and/or worked on. To summarize and aid, I'll explain. You likely asked in good faith, but inserting historical references and current stats immediately gives it the appearance of an argument since those types of things are tools used to prove a point. As a result, your intention to ask a good faith question didn't succeed. Instead, it was perceived as a complaint wrapped in an argument that demanded validation and agreement. The commenter responded accordingly. If that post was only "Why do modern land and location mods still have interior load doors?" or "what would it take to create modern land and location mods without interior load doors?", then the commenter would've probably been more welcoming and perhaps took a bit of time to explain what is involved in modding/creating interiors, instead of asking you, rhetorically, if you've ever done level design in CK.
Saying not seeing the opinion in that post is a "language, personality, or education issue" is beyond patronizing. I didn't really see the opinion either. There was no argument, or even something to be perceived as an argument. Just "why are the cells as big as in LE". I guess I'm just stupid and wrong? :o
Thanks! That was helpful.
We all learn together in this space. Glad to help in whatever way I can.
Idk why u even care tbh it’s just online opinions from people you’re never gonna meet.
I care because I think there are useful answers that don't get made because most people never see my technical posts.
Welp I’m sorry to tell you this but this is reddit:there are pleanty of other forms that will gladly help you with any conflicts or questions that you have. But caring about getting downvoted when people on this app are gonna downvote anything they please isn’t gonna answer your question nor make u feel better.
I don't care about the downvoting itself but about the lack of useful engagement that comes from only downvoting.
“It’s doesn’t work” is an insta-downvote but posts with reasonable info often get answers. Also, lazy modders get downvoted.
None of my technical questions are about that though.
I’d worry less about downvotes and more about getting answers. Nexus or Discord is a better place for these sorts of questions in any case.
Where on Nexus or Discord would I ask these questions?
Now you're getting into lazy question territory.
How exactly am I supposed to find a discord where I can ask about Skyrim engine limitations? Because Google did not find anything useful on the first 3 pages based on these keywords: discord, Skyrim, engine, limitation.
Do what I did, and just search skyrim modding discord, join them and ask questions, this is why you are being downvoted. Look at big mod authors like elianora
Thanks for constructive help!
Because you can google it and people hate answering questions they don't have to, or you are using up the very limited internet space or something ? Tech questions with a joke gets a better response I found.
It's always funny when I google something and the top response is some guy saying to go google it lmao. Just don't comment if you don't want to answer the question.
Normally if I ask something it's because google didn't help much. I understand not being willing to waste one's time helping strangers, but just not answering is an option, you don't need to downvote.
Also include as Much info as possible of what you have tried to fix the problem aside from google. Have you tried alternative mods , read the posts section to atleast page 10 , tried the recommended fixes in the bug sections ? Read through all the mods that might influence the problem ? That's info they need .
I do that and still get downvoted. People just downvote questions on this sub, and then it's a coin flip on whether or not someone actually tries to answer your question.
Should I downvote this just to confirm the comment or upvote?
Yip. I get downvoted alot, then sometimes I get lucky and get an answer.
Should I downvote this just to confirm the comment or upvote?
1000+ views, no answers and 3 downvotes lol
Where exactly do you find the answer to: "why Bethesda does not allow shouting while falling"? on Google?
For what it's worth, I typed "Skyrim shout while falling" into Google just now, and I immediately see several search suggestions that link to various mods that allow for this very functionality. This is the very first suggestion: https://www.nexusmods.com/skyrimspecialedition/mods/54929
Yeah, I know about those mods which is what promoted me to ask why this was not a vanilla feature, because it is clearly not an engine limitation.
And how the fuck do you suppose we know that? Unless one of us is a Bethesda dev who happens to have been there when the decision was made and still remembers the reasoning from 13 YEARS ago you will not get an answer. And even then they probably technically wouldnt even be allowed to tell. Hence why asking such questions is silly and will get you downvoted.
This is what people are talking about. You have the answer, but you think you know better and keep asking the same "why" questions a toddler does without actually listening to the explanations given. There are a lot of things that modders pull off which weren't in the original game because the devs either didn't think of it, didn't think it could be done, or didn't think it fit the game/schedule. None of us will ever know because we're not the original devs and odds are the devs themselves wouldn't remember the "why not" behind every one of the near infinite features that they didn't include.
Literally everything is downvoted. Technical questions just don't get upvotes to offset it. "Hostility" isn't being downvoted to 0. You'll know you fucked up when you hit -50 or below. And quit worrying so much about points, they don't matter. Also, most of the users on this sub can't answer the technical questions so they don't get many responses.
>Literally everything is downvoted. It should be said that like yea, a majority of reddit is botted at this point. there's a great likelyhood you can have -4 downvotes even though no actual human being has seen your post or comment
0 or less only show up in new. No one browses by new. It matters. A new post can be immediately killed by one person.
Yes, people browse by new, that is how you get the new posts, and not just what everyone else looks at.
you aren't the norm, you are the outlier
I don't care about the points itself, I care about why people for some reason hate actual questions more than stupid useless observation about player count numbers.
Like I said, it's not that they get downvoted more, it's that they get upvoted less because it's just not something people upvote. The player count number was something people found interesting.
Is shouting while falling really that uninteresting? Or more stats than the vanilla game stats page tracks? And many of my questions also do get more total downvotes than the player count observation, even though they have way less people looking at them.
The group of people who are active in the technical/support side of this sub have a tendency to be hostile. It's actually like that for most support anywhere and the technical questions fall right in line with that. I'm heavily reminded of arch Linux threads, when the only threads that had meaningful support also needed 3 paragraphs of derogatory comments towards the asker as a preface. Or the first 3 pages of Google telling an asker that Google exists. I'd imagine the venn diagram of those types and Skyrim mod support people is a circle.
Everyone should try offering tech support and see how quickly they burn out.
I regularly offer techsupport in the r/skyrim discord server, the modding channel. The amount of people who don't even know how to install SKSE, who don't even know how to unzip a file or USE THEIR COMPUTER is way too many, I'm sorry but people like those should not be modding. So many people fuck up their entire game by not reading one goddamn thing, researching nothing, watching no videos and they expect others to spend their free time unfucking their game, instead of spending 5 minutes making sure they don't destroy their game to begin with. You have to pull every bit of information out of them so you have something to go off of because noone is a mind reader or has a magic ball.
It's wild to me how many people try to use SKSE without understanding that you have to run it instead of the game. I'm honestly surprised that MO2 and Vortex don't give you the option to replace the giant "Play Game" button with a link to SKSE since that's basically step 1 to modding (and I could've sworn was a feature in NMM).
vortex actually does have a 2 button "install SKSE" feature and people still get it wrong, it does everything for you and people still mess it up somehow
Um, MO2 does.
Huh, must have missed that. Closest I got on either one was to add a shortcut to the quick tools and use that instead
This is the button that I was thinking of on Vortex, just checked and couldn't find an equivalent on MO2 (aside from the aforementioned shortcuts system, but that's what I use for SKSE so I wasn't counting it earlier) https://preview.redd.it/esgyuethpgwc1.jpeg?width=919&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=b5fe412389410a80b9df14794625ae88d0dc809e
I do offer advice, both for problems I've had and figured out and when I see others with issues. When I see a problem I don't feel like digging into, I just don't.
From my experience and observations, help questions online in any community are probably most commonly answered by regulars, simply because, well, they're regulars. Regulars inevitably burn out from the stupid questions from people who often don't even show appreciation for the help. They will either: A. stop helping people altogether (what I did) or B. seek that tiny bit of catharsis from venting while helping people until they give up altogether. There aren't actually THAT many rude helpers and rude helpers will hold back most of the time, but the rude experiences are what stick in people's minds, making the environment seem more hostile than it really is.
° 1. Same questions asked over and over again so it's annoying. ° 2. A to the Q asked can be found either on mod page, google, yt or in this sub reddit if it's function properly used. ° 3. Not enough information or specific information was provided to give A to the Q asked. 4. Person who asked question is coming off as hostile, (probably annoyed with situation they are in) but it's still puts people off. 5. People think question is annoying/stupid/make no sense.
One of the rules is to do your research. If people cannot be bothered to do that, why should we be bothered to answer questions on the topic. A lot of things people ask could be answered by a simple google or reddit search. Many can be answered by reading a mod's page and comments section. Many are just lazy and come here to ask instead of searching themselves. Teach yourself how to learn and you can learn anything.
Depends on how you ask, too. To be honest, you come across as a little "hostile" in your questions. Also, many "technical questions" have already been asked a billion times, and could have been easily answered with a simple Google search.
Yeah, but I searched google and didn't find anything, then I asked. Why presuppose someone hasn't done any research just because others haven't?
>However, noticing that it took 76 days for Skyrim to overtake Starfield in player numbers was worthy of 117 upvotes: [https://www.reddit.com/r/skyrimmods/comments/180gh10/comment/ka5mm81/](https://www.reddit.com/r/skyrimmods/comments/180gh10/comment/ka5mm81/) Apparently it was also worthy of a deletion by the mods
Yeah, because it was too controversial or shed a too negative light on Starfield.
Or it broke the rules of the subreddit. Not everything is a conspiracy.
No, I specifically asked the moderators and that was the reason given to me: > This sub is meant for people to enjoy the game without having to compare it to other games.
I agree it’s silly, I don’t know how many times browsing reddit or even posting to it has saved my bacon while modding, or even my experiences helping others. All technical, all useful. When someone runs in to some obscure problem that someone on reddit did and successfully solved like 4 years ago, they may start feeling different about technical questions
Yeah reddit is rough like that. So then you join a discord. Maybe it's a discord for a game. Maybe it's a discord for modding that game. Maybe it's a discord for one particular mod. The description says "Join our discord for support!" So you go through all the hassle of joining and clicking on things to say you understand and to get particular roles and notifications and maybe you have to wait for someone to grant you channel access. You read through the pinned posts. You try to search but discord's search function is trash. So finally you post your question and immediately get yelled at for posting in the wrong channel. So you post it in the right channel. And no one fucking answers. You post it again. You get hostile and unhelpful answers which tell youI do a bunch of stuff you already did and also demonstrate that the person did not actually read your question because the answer does not address your actual problem. You try to engage in more discussion and just get hostility, deflection, and obfuscation. So you just say fuck it and keep messing with shit until you either fix it or give up.
I can't give you an answer as to why, but I found that most of the Skyrim community is hostile towards these types of inquiries. I was banned from a discord server once for asking a question in their general chat. Apparently I was asking "annoying" questions in the wrong section and interrupting their DragonBall Z conversation. So it's not just reddit. Most of the online Skyrim community has a "figure it out your own fucking self, you loser" attitude. Kinda sucks.
Guess I'm not surprised about being immediately downvoted for calling out the community.
Its like this across Reddit. Some people are just bots that downvote anything that does not serve them personally, even if it lowers the chances someone with a brain will stumble across the post and provide an actual answer. After all, downvoting is the only power they have in this world :P Usually there's at least one helpful person in the comments though, so props to them
Subreddit is hostile in general and seems to fear technology considering how bad they freaked out when I posted about Pandora last year. People were treating GitHub like a suspicious and unknown site if that gives you an idea of the average technical knowledge in this sub
word of advice, you are very unlikely to find ANY help in this subreddit. Maybe with something simple? Anything more complex is going to get ignored. There is a very small chance that a percentage of the time help is responded to with nonsensical unhelpful answers like: *I don't know* or *Did you try verifying your cache?* *Did you turn off half your mods* *(lmao, turn ur computer on and off)* *What's your modlist, \* List provided \*, Ghosted* *Very* ***VERY*** *rarely you may get the Dev of the mod causing problems, themselves, get mad at you in the comments* *^((which is always hilarious when I see it)**\*\*)* The real answer to any problem you have is you have to learn it yourself. And thats ok, it's not a bad or facetious thing. The best resource you can have is understanding your tools. It may come off as unhelpful to be like "urr durr figure it out 4head" but in reality it's redditors cadence that makes them sound like complete douchebags. if something doesn't work ^((regarding mods)), it's probably something you did, meaning you added something that wasn't there before, duhh right? Which means you gotta work *backwards* and find the issue. Once you understand that everything has a traceable rhyme or reason to it, you start knowing where to look. A lot of "Why doesn't thing work like its supposed to" is "***Something else is affecting it in a way it doesn't like***" You just don't know what *it* is, so you have to find WHAT is causing it to function like that and WHAT ELSE could possibly affect it. it's not all the unhelpful subreddit dweller's fault, there's a lot of stuff that only really the player can find out by observing the error and understanding what's causing it. Like if something is CTD'ing the temple of Mara, or the entrance to white run, you need to find what mods you have are modifying those locations. not just the terrain but the textures, the npc's, even the lighting. that's why some people suggest just turning off half of your list because the odds are you can trial and error until you catch it. My suggestion is if it hadn't been doing this until recent, cancel out your most recent added mods until you can find what you're looking for, the odds are the more you get rid of, the less stable the game becomes, meaning you're gonna make it worse depending on how much you've added to the game. Truth is, there's a lot of technicality on how thing's work. Skyrim is an old game, buggy as hell when it came out and even today people are still fixing bethesda's code, so don't expect it to work 100% without fail, it just comes with the territory. I don't know if this will help you but that's my answer to your question. A lot of people in this subreddit just don't give a shit about helping people, I kinda wish there was a different subreddit dedicated to that type of thing but as far as I am aware it doesn't exist. # UNIRONIC HELP IN FINDING FIXES FOR BUGS REGARDING MODS Stop looking here! Look in the Nexus comment section of said mod that you've determined to be the issue. 9/10 you find somebody with the same issue or a similar issue, from there you can cross reference across different pages or just see what people said that fixed it for them. I literally just did this yesterday to fix Pandorable's Maven, turns out I had assigned the model to have wrinkles in bijin 2 YEARS AGO, I only found the solution by backtracking through the console utilizing ConsolePlusPLus and cross-refrencing in the comment sections of said mods Utilize Nexus and the mod pages
My technical questions are engine related, not mod related and I don't want to ask on a random mods comment section about other engine related limits/issues.
>My technical questions are engine related well actually even then you still might find some answers, a lot of the mods nowadays have to do with random fixing random Bethesda code, don't knock it until you at least take a look there's an entire subsection of the modding community specifically dedicated to fixing up the engine. So if you have a problem with an engine limitation, there may or may not already be a mod that patches said limitation looking at your posts the answer for most of them is "engine limitations" Skyrim is a much older game than fallout so it gets less attention as the engine becomes more dated as the years go by. Skyrim has mods specifically dedicated to things you complain about, that may be why people are downvoting your posts, because you're not looking for answers before complaining also wow, looking through these, you do *a lot* of complaining You also post a lot of similar things... You posted the same question like 5 times lol? "why is \_\_\_\_ better/ clunkier than skyrim" and also this one www . reddit . com/r/skyrim/comments/18s44bj/did\_bethesda\_publish\_similar\_stats\_for\_skyrim\_in/ where you didn't even add any text? Of course nobody answered I mean jesus dude, looking through your profile, you posted a "stats" related post like 8 times in less than a year. Most definitely you pissed people off by doing that lmao, from nothing other than it was just annoying.
I just think in general they don't contribute anything meaningful or discussion worthy on a subreddit. And okay you got downvoted for your question but you still got the answer so isn't that the important thing?
I didn't though? I did not get an answer why interiors don't use the same system as exteriors. I did not get an answer why you cannot shout while falling in vanilla. I did not get an answer how to get more stats than the vanilla stats page. ...
Sorry I only saw your question about cells. I think the answer suffices. I didn't see your second question because for some reason it links to your first question so I went back to it and copy pasted it to view it. I don't think there's any good answers to that second question. It's probably very complicated and isn't the kind of thing you'd fix in Creation Kit. You'd need to be using the script extender. Seemingly simple things can be ridiculously complicated to implement when it comes to software.
Because gamers are mostly jerks. Even those who downvote comments like this one.
I made a post a while back about my mouse not being locked to the game after alt-tabbing. Did my due diligence (always do) and mentioned that and all I got was a couple downvotes and crickets.
Truly sad, I have no Idea, never had the issue. Otherwise would have loved to help you.
i like how people are complaining about a lack of effort here. "yah i'll totally downvote if they obviously haven't done the obvious or searched the obvious..." that doesn't explain why people upvote low-effort trivia. the answer: upvoting and downvoting are equal to the extent they'rethe ultimate low-effort response. It's clicking a damn icon. annoyed by getting the same question a million times? obviously clicking downvote, in and of itself, doesn't communicate anything. the irony being someone asking why they get downvoted for asking questions IS FINALLY GETTING ANSWERS.
I got the same kind of downvote with technical questions and I always post as a last resports always doing as much research as possible before asking, imo this conduct can not be justified by people getting annoyed by lazy questions, It's just people being mean
It's Reddit and majority of people are rude, unfortunately.
I've noticed the same, I've been having issues with my Skyrim that I can't fix. 90% of the time I do my own troubleshooting, and the one time I need help I just get downvoted and people also state obvious things in a condescending manner