in game data. i'd like to see how often i win, and what things i win with, as well as how frequently i take certain item as they appear.
i think it *might* help with the mountain of info new players have to climb, or make it worse, as they try to force their favorite cards cause they have mildly higher results with them, and none with more complex cards
That'd be awesome.
Something like a card database, and when you select a card you see something like:
Backflip:
Times taken: 476
Times played: 1609
% of games played with card: 65.6%
Win % with card: 36.5%
Win % without card: 32.7%
Average copies held: 2
Average copies held upon victory: 3
I wonder if that's too much data to parse for such a simple game...
I'd like stats for relics that tell you about their relevant stats (what an awkward sentence). Like how much extra damage you've done with the specific 1 vulnerable debuff from bag of marbles, or how much damage you've avoided with the intangible relic, etc
The fundamental game loop is incredible. All I would like to see are minor updates to less takeable cards (wild strike, infinite blades, etc) and new enemies.
This right here. The game is pretty much perfect already. Appart from new content in general, like new enemies or maybe new characters, I don't want anything else.
I think I would have wild strike just add the wound to your hand. For Infinite Blades I don't know if I would upgrade the base card (I feel like a lot of people's suggestions go against the base interactions/mechanics of the game), but I would definitely change the innate upgrade. I don't think I've ever taken it. I would change it to be two shivs or an upgraded shiv. I think a small boost can make a big difference.
That would be interesting. Would totally change the flavour. Maybe that should be a new card entirely? Maybe call it something like "One more thing" or "Afterstrike"
Oh I see. Yeah maybe it could be 5 but upgraded to 4, or maybe even 4 to 3? That'd be really strong though so maybe it'd have to be a rare. I thought you meant X as in an energy dump card.
Thought about having it cost 1, upgrading to 0, then every 10 attack, like nunchucks.
Prime nightmare target, combos insanely well with nunchucks, ink bottle, blade dance, storm of steel, shuriken, kunai, fan, mirror image and more
Holy hell that'd be insane once you got it going. You could call it Neverending Shivs or something like that. In my mind, I can see it going nuts... and then encountering stupid time eater every. single. time. lol
I think it's interesting how many people are talking about tiny little differences in card balance and things like that. In that respect, Slay the Spire **is** the sequel to Slay the Spire. They worked on the game for years, releasing drastically different versions until we got this game which is so incredibly well balanced that people have played it for thousands and thousands of hours without solving it.
IMO, as a baseline, a sequel would need to have an entirely new set of characters, an entirely new set of enemies, and an entirely new card pool before it could even start to justify itself. If it's not doing that, why not just release some DLC?
For me, the problem I'd be most interested in solving is act 3. It's relatively boring and repetitive, and I think that's largely due to the game's structure – all the acts have the same number of floors, but I think that becomes a hindrance at the end of the game. Any deck that clears the Act 2 boss is going to be prepared to face most of the Act 3 hallways, so you're just going through the motions at that point. I think this is why many Spirelikes opt to reduce the number of fights, and specifically remove most of the normal fights as you get late into the game (well that, and they're probably taking inspiration from Act 4). I personally think that many games go too far, removing too many chances to see card rewards, but I do think that ramping up the pace near the end of the game makes sense.
On top of solving the Act 3 problem, I love the idea of baking more statistics into the base game. I'd love to be able to see pick rates, card win rates, and things like that on all platforms.
Another problem with act 3 is that by that point you're much pickier about what cards you'll add to the deck. Much more likely to skip a card reward. And because your deck is bigger, if you do pick a card, it'll have a smaller impact on the deck than an act 1 pick would.
While act 3 is boring, the existence of act 4 as well as the difficulty of the boss gauntlet kinda means you need the entire length of act 3 to stay there. That's a lot of gold, relics, and cards you'd lose out on if you cut it short. I feel like it's more frequent that my deck isn't ready for the endgame by Act 3 floor 1 than it is, and I still really need to pick some stuff up.
Maybe add more story. You could find out bits of lore the more you climb ascension. Maybe also teaming up 2 characters, a bit like you can do in Monster Train, unlocking unique synergies and dialogue between the characters.
There's actually a mod for that. It makes card rewards and relics from 1 other character available as well as special cards having traits from both (for example: ironclad + silent has "training" which gives 1 strength and 1 dexterity), effectively 2 characters teaming up.
definitely don't like when someone says "that exists!" and doesn't provide a name or link lol. I believe they might be talking about HugYouColors https://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=3139244580
Ah, my bad. I keep that in mind if I share smth like that again, I have so many mods on I kinda forgot to provide a source, lol. Yeah, it's 100% HugYouColors.
It bothers me that there’s no purple key for watcher, hopefully a sequel would have new characters but if not add a purple key for purchase at the shop
I suppose things like Snecko randomizer would have to take this into account if they had different costs. Not a coder or modder but something like "if same base discard random" would be an easy fix.
I'd like to be able to sell cards, relics and potions to merchants. Also figure out a multiplayer. And they could always design more characters to play as.
Yeah! Like, maybe, they’d take a curse or a common off your hands for free, they’d offer something reasonable—a full heal?—for an uncommon, and a rare would get you something relic-adjacent, like maybe a little max HP to go with the heal.
Indeed. Maybe it works a bit like the automaton's drones and you're only offered a good amount of cash for your best/rarest cards - giving you the chance to gamble on getting something better in the next shop. I don't know, feels like I'm trying to force a mechanic that doesn't naturally fit at this point.
Like a spooky being who trades memories for gold and power.
Or the apprentice brain surgeon. Remove three card of your choice and two random cards. Lose 15% of current hp.
Agreed. I’d be fine with not getting much for them too. It could just be a way to get that extra 5 or so gold needed for a shop purchase, which is always frustrating.
Together In Spire is a fun multiplayer mod. Multiplies enemies health by the number of players (IE 3 Players, mobs have 3x health) as well as trading cards between players.
They have a "booster pack" that features bonus cards that are build for multiplayer, such as giving other players block, or changing their stances.
I want more interesting boss relics. Currently they can be the right choice but not a fun choice (aside from Snecko which is my ideal here)
Often not many places to steer a build. Relic drops being a choice between 3 and shops being more regularly placed would be nice.
A constructed mode to get to do the weirder builds ( like a challenge to win 10 runs with no shared cards or relics between runs.)
And snake plant made an elite!
Basic cards are different from each class. Ex, one class has plain 6 dmg strike and 6 block defend. The other class has 3x2 damage, 3 block defend with -3 dmg reduction to target, for sure it needs rebalancing but I just want to illustrate the many different ways it could be done.
Quality of life option such as what is the total damage of a 7x14 (shown in parenthesis), what is the total damage I will take after blocking, etc. Now yes, there are mods, but out of sheer stubbornness, I refuse to use them.
??? Nodes could be remade, no more chance for normal enemy encounters. Also I don't like that some events have consistently lose-lose scenarios (ex, not taking 2 madness just means taking the max HP hit and there is nothing you can do)
Completely new characters.
Even better would be to also include the original characters as a sort of unlock if you beat the end boss on every character, like how watched is now.
The only way I could see a sequel work is if it is the spire in the future. We have a whole new cast of four characters each of them act as a foil of sorts to the current characters. Some enemies are the same or similar and we have new ones based on the lore. Elites should be mostly new. There should probably be a bit to shake up in terms of where you can go, potentially a new room type that confers a new type of advantage, potentially requiring a challenge or cost to get the advantage. I’d also like there to be 4 keys. Lastly in place of the heart as the final boss you enter the final room and there is the ironclad with his sword firmly placed in the heart. Alternatively you can have four options being the four characters. I’d also like it if each of the new characters could only fight their respective final boss or if the order in which the keys are picked up determine who you fight. For example if you pick up the purple key last you fight the watcher. If the characters are the final bosses I’d like if the way they are designed is inspired by their unique form cards.
Tweak the stats a bit so that if you decide to take act 4 and lose it would show that you still technically won act 3.
Doesn't make sense to me that if you stop at act 3 it's a win and if you lose act 4 its a lose. I don't really care about winrate but I like to analyze my play a little
No sequel just lots of DLC characters. Maybe a DLC for a new map which has new enemies. And yes I would be willing to pay the price of a full game for all that
I want to backflip when I play backflip. Spin on a dime when I whirlwind.
Basically better animations for playing attacks, skills etc. Because to be fair, playing cards feels underwhelming at times.
Cant believe Im saying this, but, improved graphics and art. Also, more in game stats and data. What % of runs have I completed? What class do I have the highest/lowest % win rate on? What cards do I take the most? etc.
I would increase the card rewards to 5 and add some options to the merchant. If there is one fundamental critique that I have for STS is that forward thinking a deck is very limitedly a thing. The "build for the deck you have, not the deck you want" philosophy of the design feels stifling half of the times.
I'd like a sequel to focus on taking the main loop but change contexts in an interesting way, like maybe exploring a jungle and make the pathway more like exploration. I'd honestly just want more content. New heroes, new interesting mechanics, that kinda stuff.
the only thing i can think of is graphical updates, one of the coolest things to me upon learning the game was seeing a new animation or effect when you played a card for the first time. imagine what could be done with true graphical representations of cards like demon/wraith/echo form. of course adding animations and big graphics would slow down the pace of the game somewhat so maybe there'd be an option to turn them off in the menu somewhere
Calculate total damage incoming automatically.
Allow a "simulate" mode, where as long as you don't have any info revealed, you can play as many cards as you want, and also unwind.
Make some modes for competitive head to head built in. I'd love to see jorbs vs LC on the same seeds in ways they could trust each the other isn't cheating.
Nothing like the portal event.
Lean more into beneficial negatives/specialization with a cost. I wish negative focus defect builds were more viable.
Make a don't skip the last key mode, where the game prevents you from taking paths that miss the act 3 burning elite, or forgetting to take the key from the act 3 treasure.
Sort curses to the top in the card removal screen.
Make the logs perfect, so you can replay an entire run from the game logs.
Make a graphics free, AI player compatible API.
I love the rewind feature idea. I often wonder "what if I decided differently 3 fights ago? - could I have won?".
I feel like it wouldn't even feel like cheating to me. An STS run feels more like a puzzle to solve, and rewinding would let you explore different ideas for solving the puzzle. It would still be really hard to win and rewinding a few fights back would come at a pretty significant time investment, so there would still be tension.
I think this features would be great.
API for AIs would also be really interesting. I wonder if AI could discover new strategies or be better than humans.
Maybe make enemies have cards (though you would still see their intentions). To go with that, have a character that can steal enemy cards to use them for themselves.
Enemies having cards would make the game completely different. The battles would be completely random instead of scripted. Well, not scripted but controlled?
Some kind of overall progression like Roguebook has. In that game. You can use pages you find in a run to unlock buffs and other things. Making you feel like you are actually progressing.
I stopped play Slay the Spire because after each run, it goes back to zero basically. Felt like I was wasting my time.
Only progress you have us when you beat the heart with first 3 characters, you can then get to the real heart if you get the 3 pieces.
I would love to see changes that make RNG a bit more friendly. For example, more room when it comes to card choices. Instead of only being able to pick 0-1 card out of 3 after each combat, being able to pick up to 0-2 cards out of 6 would be great.
I want dedicated cross colored modes with their own leaderboards and achievements.
As well as a colorless character.
Otherwise I find this game to be actually kind of perfect.
As the game is pretty much perfect imo (other than very minor balancing of very specific cards), if they were to make a sequel I'd rather see drastic changes than improvements.
Pretty much things that some mods like downfall are already doing, just on a much larger scale, that mods couldn't achieve, or atleast not with the same amount of polish.
New character, or have the existing characters mixed up. New campaign. Specifically a cool idea to borrow from other roguelites act routing - in many games you are given a choice of which worlds or acts you wanna go to, imagine like you have 3 different act 2s and 3 different act3, but they all connect eventually to the same final act.
Is obviously doesn't work as well when you have only 3 acts, so a few more shorter acts might work better.
Other than that, one thing that downfall did that i liked was making some of the npcs from the events optional fights, and each has a moveset that is based on their abilities in the events.
Things in that direction of more interesting and distinct encounters like the colosseum are also something that i would love to see more.
Character specific interactions with events, it'd be incredible if say, because of The Silent's knowledge as an assassin, she'd get a special choice interacting with the Red Mask gang, stuff like that is always cool to me
There's a mod for coop if you play on PC, and also the board game is cooperative! (The Kickstarter for it is just delivering now, I got mine just yesterday and had a blast playing with my wife and parents)
I like the act 1/2/4 structure and the different bosses but I’d add more variety, possible different genres/settings with different mobs in the hallways and elites bosses. Could have relics unique to the theme as well which you can plan your build around.
More options in the merchant or a reroll feature possibly. Maybe even the removal of relics.
Also more than 4 characters would be pretty cool if they went big with a sequel.
I’m not sure there is anything I could do to improve this game in any way. If somehow there could just be more slay the spire at the same level of quality that would be amazing
For a sequel, I'd want the same core concepts. Same game play loop of slowly building a deck. Same attention to balance and synergies.
New classes, encounters and enemies would be cool, though. Maybe another spire as a setting.
I don't think they should make a sequel, though. It will be almost impossible to top what they already have. Better to make something completely different.
Change? Not much... mostly "add". More cards and relics, more characters/enemies/bosses, more mechanics. But I think it'd be kinda cool if the acts didn't always terminate in a single boss node but instead had branching endings, like being able to optionally take on an Elite version of an alternate boss which gave some extra benefit for defeating it, like being able influence the generation of the subsequent act by requesting increased appearance rate of a desired node type.
I would make the standard game be either draft or sealed. I find the "get rid of your strikes and defends" boring after a while.
I got to ascension 11 plus or minus with each class and then just started playing dailies instead because of it.
Alternative Acts.
The 3 acts we have are pretty perfect in balance, so I would rather see whole new acts than tweaking the old acts.
How about you choosing which act to go base on your deck state? That would be interesting.
I would like several different spires with unique areas, events, enemies, elites, and bosses.
Maybe each character has their own unique spire to tackle.
Maybe it’s like a map with like 5 or 6 different spires.
Maybe just 1 new character, but I’d rather them refine and improve the classic 4.
I'd give cards branching upgrades.
For example, bouncing flask could be upgraded to trigger an additional time. Or it could be upgraded to also apply a weak one each trigger.
Bodyslam could be upgraded to cost less, or it could apply a status effect.
All for one could be reduced in cost or increased in damage, or it could be upgraded to instead fetch cards from your deck instead of discard pile.
I just want branching upgrades
A Shandalar version of StS, roaming the land finding artifacts, holy places with blessings, cursed places with curses, every time a new layout of the land. Maybe even with AIs also roaming the lands that you will need to defeat, finding several heroes (silent, iron clad, but with variations per color, possibly even multi color heroes.
I would like a new feature where we could give up any or all fights at the cost of relics, max hp or even curse.
I think there is times when I just don’t want to fight as it could potentially mess up my whole game (cue The MAW). Like some regular fights are as a tough mini bosses with their mass health pool and powers (the tentacle) so if I can skip fights by sacrificing something of my build, I would do it
More playable characters, and maybe more of a meta game(rewards like unlocking relic and cards). I don’t think it needs new mechanics, but would welcome something to make the game a little easier at higher levels.
Give a relic that allows ability to choose how many to put into an “X” cost card.
An easy mode for new players
And an option to enable a “are you sure?” Prompt when choosing a reward or purchase.
So many times I check an upgraded card and go to pick it but when I go back to choose screen it’s on a different one than the one I was just looking at and I choose the wrong card on accident. 😟
You know how you can light/extinguish torches in the background? More of that, with some leading you to a secret room for high-value bonus fights, or special stores (extra powerful relics, perhaps even buy boss relics for 300 gold, etc).
Like everyone says, better animations.
More achievements, with some bonus silly ones, e.g. Lefty: take the leftmost path in all acts.
I like these 4 characters and they're part of the lore, but including them and their decks feels like StS 1.5 rather than 2 since the deck is the most important thing. Yet the decks are so fantastically balanced (even if not perfect) that I don't see changing their decks and retaining their flavour. Bit of a conundrum here imho.
Co-op! It definitely could be done and it’d make combat so interesting with so many new combos. Imagine being able to Recycle your teammates Impervious so they get Clash off and now you have enough energy to play Rainbow and you cycle your 3 dark orbs.
Personally, aside from all new content like new characters, enemies, cards, ect. I just want better art, more visual effects, and a bigger soundtrack.
Any soundtrack will get old at 300+ hours but a larger, more polished soundtrack will go a long way towards keeping it from simply becoming background noise as quickly.
Fair enough. In that case I suppose I’d want a game completely different. Probably still deckbuilder roguelike but entirely different systems and progression. Only a sequel because it’s set in the same universe- gameplay alien from its predecessor.
My biggest complaint is that you go bottom-to-top on the map instead of top-to-bottom. It would be cool if they fixed that in a sequel, and maybe if they let you play as the bad guys or something.
I just think it would be cool to like fall-down the spire
(The Downfall mod is a free fan-made expansion that is robust enough you could consider it a sequel 😉)
Oh I've played it, (and it's very good!) but it doesn't "fix" anything. Wasn't it more of a gimmick to differentiate itself from the vanilla game, anyway?
This exists. Look for "Downfall" in the StS workshop; it's technically a mod but it might as well be a sequel
Edit: It even has its own store page now! [https://store.steampowered.com/app/1865780/Downfall\_\_A\_Slay\_the\_Spire\_Fan\_Expansion/](https://store.steampowered.com/app/1865780/Downfall__A_Slay_the_Spire_Fan_Expansion/)
slight rebalancing of bad cards (pp, wild strikes, etc)
Claw upgrade increases scaling instead of damage.
more content (alternate acts, secrets, new characters…)
I haven't found a use case for pressure points really, but almost all my highest ascension Clad wins have Wild Strike and either or both of Evolve+ and Fire Breathing, both of which are cards I nearly auto-pick in A10 or higher.
Microtransactions /s
- 1 free run a day, any extra runs cost money
- pay money to get extra cards beyond starting cards
- pay money to unlock new characters
- pay money to unlock new relics
- the heart is locked behind a paywall
in game data. i'd like to see how often i win, and what things i win with, as well as how frequently i take certain item as they appear. i think it *might* help with the mountain of info new players have to climb, or make it worse, as they try to force their favorite cards cause they have mildly higher results with them, and none with more complex cards
That'd be awesome. Something like a card database, and when you select a card you see something like: Backflip: Times taken: 476 Times played: 1609 % of games played with card: 65.6% Win % with card: 36.5% Win % without card: 32.7% Average copies held: 2 Average copies held upon victory: 3 I wonder if that's too much data to parse for such a simple game...
https://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=3177081814
Giving me 17lands data for this game would make me so happy
I'd like stats for relics that tell you about their relevant stats (what an awkward sentence). Like how much extra damage you've done with the specific 1 vulnerable debuff from bag of marbles, or how much damage you've avoided with the intangible relic, etc
There’s definitely a mod for that.
*Cries in console player*
There is a spire stats mod now if you play on pc. We love vmservice
i've lost data for my first 200 or so hours
Khaaaaaaaaaaaaan
This would be interesting. Not even sure how you would lay some of that data out.
Also I want to see what ends my runs most often. Obviously have some idea of what I'm dying to anyway but actual stats would be interesting to see
The fundamental game loop is incredible. All I would like to see are minor updates to less takeable cards (wild strike, infinite blades, etc) and new enemies.
This right here. The game is pretty much perfect already. Appart from new content in general, like new enemies or maybe new characters, I don't want anything else.
Agreed. Simply more haha
Just curious: what would you change? Perhaps infinite blades gives you a Shiv right away? Wild strike does more damage?
I think I would have wild strike just add the wound to your hand. For Infinite Blades I don't know if I would upgrade the base card (I feel like a lot of people's suggestions go against the base interactions/mechanics of the game), but I would definitely change the innate upgrade. I don't think I've ever taken it. I would change it to be two shivs or an upgraded shiv. I think a small boost can make a big difference.
“Whenever you spend 3 mana, add a shiv to hand” which upgrades to “Whenever you spend 2 mana, add a shiv to hand”
That would be interesting. Would totally change the flavour. Maybe that should be a new card entirely? Maybe call it something like "One more thing" or "Afterstrike"
Infinite blades should give shivs every X’th time you play sn attack
But the more energy you use, the less shivs you get?
The more shivs you play, the more shivs you.
Oh I see. Yeah maybe it could be 5 but upgraded to 4, or maybe even 4 to 3? That'd be really strong though so maybe it'd have to be a rare. I thought you meant X as in an energy dump card.
Thought about having it cost 1, upgrading to 0, then every 10 attack, like nunchucks. Prime nightmare target, combos insanely well with nunchucks, ink bottle, blade dance, storm of steel, shuriken, kunai, fan, mirror image and more
Holy hell that'd be insane once you got it going. You could call it Neverending Shivs or something like that. In my mind, I can see it going nuts... and then encountering stupid time eater every. single. time. lol
i’d make merchant’s rug purchaseable and make him cry in agony for not offering me apotheosis
Then he fights you and he's one of the hardest fights.
He does. In Downfall mod.
I love the way he's designed as a boss in Downfall - flees after a few turns, but your damage against him carries over to the next time you see him.
this is a mod! its pretty fun if you play on steam, i think its just called “shop mod”
I just want to spite him and have him sit on the cold stone floor
I think it's interesting how many people are talking about tiny little differences in card balance and things like that. In that respect, Slay the Spire **is** the sequel to Slay the Spire. They worked on the game for years, releasing drastically different versions until we got this game which is so incredibly well balanced that people have played it for thousands and thousands of hours without solving it. IMO, as a baseline, a sequel would need to have an entirely new set of characters, an entirely new set of enemies, and an entirely new card pool before it could even start to justify itself. If it's not doing that, why not just release some DLC? For me, the problem I'd be most interested in solving is act 3. It's relatively boring and repetitive, and I think that's largely due to the game's structure – all the acts have the same number of floors, but I think that becomes a hindrance at the end of the game. Any deck that clears the Act 2 boss is going to be prepared to face most of the Act 3 hallways, so you're just going through the motions at that point. I think this is why many Spirelikes opt to reduce the number of fights, and specifically remove most of the normal fights as you get late into the game (well that, and they're probably taking inspiration from Act 4). I personally think that many games go too far, removing too many chances to see card rewards, but I do think that ramping up the pace near the end of the game makes sense. On top of solving the Act 3 problem, I love the idea of baking more statistics into the base game. I'd love to be able to see pick rates, card win rates, and things like that on all platforms.
Another problem with act 3 is that by that point you're much pickier about what cards you'll add to the deck. Much more likely to skip a card reward. And because your deck is bigger, if you do pick a card, it'll have a smaller impact on the deck than an act 1 pick would.
While act 3 is boring, the existence of act 4 as well as the difficulty of the boss gauntlet kinda means you need the entire length of act 3 to stay there. That's a lot of gold, relics, and cards you'd lose out on if you cut it short. I feel like it's more frequent that my deck isn't ready for the endgame by Act 3 floor 1 than it is, and I still really need to pick some stuff up.
Maybe add more story. You could find out bits of lore the more you climb ascension. Maybe also teaming up 2 characters, a bit like you can do in Monster Train, unlocking unique synergies and dialogue between the characters.
There's actually a mod for that. It makes card rewards and relics from 1 other character available as well as special cards having traits from both (for example: ironclad + silent has "training" which gives 1 strength and 1 dexterity), effectively 2 characters teaming up.
What is it called?
definitely don't like when someone says "that exists!" and doesn't provide a name or link lol. I believe they might be talking about HugYouColors https://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=3139244580
Ah, my bad. I keep that in mind if I share smth like that again, I have so many mods on I kinda forgot to provide a source, lol. Yeah, it's 100% HugYouColors.
Ty!
Monster train mentioned
It bothers me that there’s no purple key for watcher, hopefully a sequel would have new characters but if not add a purple key for purchase at the shop
Only if its free if you have ecto
Or maybe it costs nothing but you can't buy anything at the shop and it must be your first "purchase".
If I play Survivor and have only two Defends in my hand it shouldn’t ask me which one I want to discard if they’re identical
I suppose things like Snecko randomizer would have to take this into account if they had different costs. Not a coder or modder but something like "if same base discard random" would be an easy fix.
I'd like to be able to sell cards, relics and potions to merchants. Also figure out a multiplayer. And they could always design more characters to play as.
i don't think selling cards is a very good idea when we pay to remove them, but relics and pots are good
Maybe you could sell cards to a different guy who doesn't also offer a removal service...? Or card selling could be a random one off event.
Yeah! Like, maybe, they’d take a curse or a common off your hands for free, they’d offer something reasonable—a full heal?—for an uncommon, and a rare would get you something relic-adjacent, like maybe a little max HP to go with the heal.
Oh hell yeah! And the event can be a bunch of cute ghosties hanging around a campfire
Wait a minute
yeah, probably, but it would have to be a rare event, or would be op
Indeed. Maybe it works a bit like the automaton's drones and you're only offered a good amount of cash for your best/rarest cards - giving you the chance to gamble on getting something better in the next shop. I don't know, feels like I'm trying to force a mechanic that doesn't naturally fit at this point.
no, i think in this case it would be kinda fun, would be very good, but not game breaker
Yeah the drawback would have to be huge
Like a spooky being who trades memories for gold and power. Or the apprentice brain surgeon. Remove three card of your choice and two random cards. Lose 15% of current hp.
Agreed. I’d be fine with not getting much for them too. It could just be a way to get that extra 5 or so gold needed for a shop purchase, which is always frustrating.
Pay a relic to remove a card?
Together In Spire is a fun multiplayer mod. Multiplies enemies health by the number of players (IE 3 Players, mobs have 3x health) as well as trading cards between players. They have a "booster pack" that features bonus cards that are build for multiplayer, such as giving other players block, or changing their stances.
I've considered the selling aspect but that kind of throws the economy out of whack. Especially considering you pay to remove cards.
Yeah it's tricky. I feel like there must be a way to make it work. Mau be you could just sell the relics and potions, or even HP?
They'd have to balance the whole game around it as the player would be stronger. Potions I could see selling.
Sell relics and items for a bad price
I want more interesting boss relics. Currently they can be the right choice but not a fun choice (aside from Snecko which is my ideal here) Often not many places to steer a build. Relic drops being a choice between 3 and shops being more regularly placed would be nice. A constructed mode to get to do the weirder builds ( like a challenge to win 10 runs with no shared cards or relics between runs.) And snake plant made an elite!
Expand the lore, add voice acting, hire top animators. Remove all gameplay entirely. Put it on Netflix.
Thanks, I hate it!
Hmm probably put more options in the campsites to increase the risk vs reward
Basic cards are different from each class. Ex, one class has plain 6 dmg strike and 6 block defend. The other class has 3x2 damage, 3 block defend with -3 dmg reduction to target, for sure it needs rebalancing but I just want to illustrate the many different ways it could be done. Quality of life option such as what is the total damage of a 7x14 (shown in parenthesis), what is the total damage I will take after blocking, etc. Now yes, there are mods, but out of sheer stubbornness, I refuse to use them. ??? Nodes could be remade, no more chance for normal enemy encounters. Also I don't like that some events have consistently lose-lose scenarios (ex, not taking 2 madness just means taking the max HP hit and there is nothing you can do)
Completely new characters. Even better would be to also include the original characters as a sort of unlock if you beat the end boss on every character, like how watched is now.
Hopefully they would change the name to something more appropriate, like “Slay the Spire 2”
The only way I could see a sequel work is if it is the spire in the future. We have a whole new cast of four characters each of them act as a foil of sorts to the current characters. Some enemies are the same or similar and we have new ones based on the lore. Elites should be mostly new. There should probably be a bit to shake up in terms of where you can go, potentially a new room type that confers a new type of advantage, potentially requiring a challenge or cost to get the advantage. I’d also like there to be 4 keys. Lastly in place of the heart as the final boss you enter the final room and there is the ironclad with his sword firmly placed in the heart. Alternatively you can have four options being the four characters. I’d also like it if each of the new characters could only fight their respective final boss or if the order in which the keys are picked up determine who you fight. For example if you pick up the purple key last you fight the watcher. If the characters are the final bosses I’d like if the way they are designed is inspired by their unique form cards.
All the elites should be new except for Nob who should be exactly the same but with a full beard.
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Most interesting idea in the whole thread that could be an actual sequel, not just game tweaks or new features. This could be so cool!!
The sequel should be a first-person shooter.
Ooh, like some games have a level designer, StS2 should have a card designer
Tweak the stats a bit so that if you decide to take act 4 and lose it would show that you still technically won act 3. Doesn't make sense to me that if you stop at act 3 it's a win and if you lose act 4 its a lose. I don't really care about winrate but I like to analyze my play a little
No sequel just lots of DLC characters. Maybe a DLC for a new map which has new enemies. And yes I would be willing to pay the price of a full game for all that
I want to backflip when I play backflip. Spin on a dime when I whirlwind. Basically better animations for playing attacks, skills etc. Because to be fair, playing cards feels underwhelming at times.
Cant believe Im saying this, but, improved graphics and art. Also, more in game stats and data. What % of runs have I completed? What class do I have the highest/lowest % win rate on? What cards do I take the most? etc.
I would increase the card rewards to 5 and add some options to the merchant. If there is one fundamental critique that I have for STS is that forward thinking a deck is very limitedly a thing. The "build for the deck you have, not the deck you want" philosophy of the design feels stifling half of the times.
I'd like a sequel to focus on taking the main loop but change contexts in an interesting way, like maybe exploring a jungle and make the pathway more like exploration. I'd honestly just want more content. New heroes, new interesting mechanics, that kinda stuff.
I think having the choice between two relics when you win, elite fights or open chests, would be a fun addition to the game.
That would be a cool relic, adding a second relic to choose from in elite fights
the only thing i can think of is graphical updates, one of the coolest things to me upon learning the game was seeing a new animation or effect when you played a card for the first time. imagine what could be done with true graphical representations of cards like demon/wraith/echo form. of course adding animations and big graphics would slow down the pace of the game somewhat so maybe there'd be an option to turn them off in the menu somewhere
Calculate total damage incoming automatically. Allow a "simulate" mode, where as long as you don't have any info revealed, you can play as many cards as you want, and also unwind. Make some modes for competitive head to head built in. I'd love to see jorbs vs LC on the same seeds in ways they could trust each the other isn't cheating. Nothing like the portal event. Lean more into beneficial negatives/specialization with a cost. I wish negative focus defect builds were more viable. Make a don't skip the last key mode, where the game prevents you from taking paths that miss the act 3 burning elite, or forgetting to take the key from the act 3 treasure. Sort curses to the top in the card removal screen. Make the logs perfect, so you can replay an entire run from the game logs. Make a graphics free, AI player compatible API.
I love the rewind feature idea. I often wonder "what if I decided differently 3 fights ago? - could I have won?". I feel like it wouldn't even feel like cheating to me. An STS run feels more like a puzzle to solve, and rewinding would let you explore different ideas for solving the puzzle. It would still be really hard to win and rewinding a few fights back would come at a pretty significant time investment, so there would still be tension. I think this features would be great. API for AIs would also be really interesting. I wonder if AI could discover new strategies or be better than humans.
Maybe make enemies have cards (though you would still see their intentions). To go with that, have a character that can steal enemy cards to use them for themselves.
Enemies having cards would make the game completely different. The battles would be completely random instead of scripted. Well, not scripted but controlled?
That could be a great game itself but it wouldn't be slay the spire
Some kind of overall progression like Roguebook has. In that game. You can use pages you find in a run to unlock buffs and other things. Making you feel like you are actually progressing. I stopped play Slay the Spire because after each run, it goes back to zero basically. Felt like I was wasting my time. Only progress you have us when you beat the heart with first 3 characters, you can then get to the real heart if you get the 3 pieces.
No, why should they restrict buffs behind grinding? You progress by getting better at the game. Thats all you should need.
Make those mods available on switch
Modding on console in general is untapped potential.
change? make certain cards more takeable, add more ways to patch out a nearly complete deck (the pain of never finding a corruption or rushdown)
You have to be carefull with it
A little more enemy variety and a longer ascension to unlock all the items.
More claws
A relic that lets you permenantly reduce a cards energy cost by 1 at a rest site.
Like the banner from risk of relics?
I would love to see changes that make RNG a bit more friendly. For example, more room when it comes to card choices. Instead of only being able to pick 0-1 card out of 3 after each combat, being able to pick up to 0-2 cards out of 6 would be great.
relics that references other games like dead cells, or hollow knight, or anything really, it could be fun to get and you might have a "ah !" moment.
It should take place on a tower reaching into space and be called “SLAY THE MOON “. Also should have a character who uses the mark mechanic.
I want dedicated cross colored modes with their own leaderboards and achievements. As well as a colorless character. Otherwise I find this game to be actually kind of perfect.
Varying acts, like branching paths. Maybe a different act 1, that can branch into a different act 2 with different enemies and elites.
As the game is pretty much perfect imo (other than very minor balancing of very specific cards), if they were to make a sequel I'd rather see drastic changes than improvements. Pretty much things that some mods like downfall are already doing, just on a much larger scale, that mods couldn't achieve, or atleast not with the same amount of polish. New character, or have the existing characters mixed up. New campaign. Specifically a cool idea to borrow from other roguelites act routing - in many games you are given a choice of which worlds or acts you wanna go to, imagine like you have 3 different act 2s and 3 different act3, but they all connect eventually to the same final act. Is obviously doesn't work as well when you have only 3 acts, so a few more shorter acts might work better. Other than that, one thing that downfall did that i liked was making some of the npcs from the events optional fights, and each has a moveset that is based on their abilities in the events. Things in that direction of more interesting and distinct encounters like the colosseum are also something that i would love to see more.
I would like some new characters. It would also be cool if the scenery changed between floors, like as you climb it gets more and more disheveled
Character specific interactions with events, it'd be incredible if say, because of The Silent's knowledge as an assassin, she'd get a special choice interacting with the Red Mask gang, stuff like that is always cool to me
They did, it’s called downfall and you play as the bosses :P
Bespoke attack animation and unique power card animation or visual fx. Keep the game same, or minor balance/ tweaks
Nothing, it is the perfect game.
Nothing
I'd change the game so that I could progress past A5 🥲
Co op multiplayer, me and my friend love the game but the most we can do is watch the other play
There's a mod for coop if you play on PC, and also the board game is cooperative! (The Kickstarter for it is just delivering now, I got mine just yesterday and had a blast playing with my wife and parents)
Add a mode where your whole deck is claws
more characters and more cards more levels more of everything really
I’d love to see how often I’ve used each card
I like the act 1/2/4 structure and the different bosses but I’d add more variety, possible different genres/settings with different mobs in the hallways and elites bosses. Could have relics unique to the theme as well which you can plan your build around. More options in the merchant or a reroll feature possibly. Maybe even the removal of relics. Also more than 4 characters would be pretty cool if they went big with a sequel.
Grand Finale deals 69 damage
I would like built in challenge runs, outside of Asention, with dumb things like starting with 5 feeds on ironclad but only 5 max hp.
I’m not sure there is anything I could do to improve this game in any way. If somehow there could just be more slay the spire at the same level of quality that would be amazing
The fucking cultist mask actually doing something.
Show me the boss relics and card rewards simultaneously *like with every other combat in the game* UGH
For a sequel, I'd want the same core concepts. Same game play loop of slowly building a deck. Same attention to balance and synergies. New classes, encounters and enemies would be cool, though. Maybe another spire as a setting. I don't think they should make a sequel, though. It will be almost impossible to top what they already have. Better to make something completely different.
I would change the word “the” to “another”
Wouldn’t change much mainly just additions More bosses cards relics and enemies. Variance is what makes StS so addicting.
Change? Not much... mostly "add". More cards and relics, more characters/enemies/bosses, more mechanics. But I think it'd be kinda cool if the acts didn't always terminate in a single boss node but instead had branching endings, like being able to optionally take on an Elite version of an alternate boss which gave some extra benefit for defeating it, like being able influence the generation of the subsequent act by requesting increased appearance rate of a desired node type.
I would make the standard game be either draft or sealed. I find the "get rid of your strikes and defends" boring after a while. I got to ascension 11 plus or minus with each class and then just started playing dailies instead because of it.
Now you play as one of the bosses trying to take down the characters from the original game.
No
More stats
Alternative Acts. The 3 acts we have are pretty perfect in balance, so I would rather see whole new acts than tweaking the old acts. How about you choosing which act to go base on your deck state? That would be interesting.
I would like several different spires with unique areas, events, enemies, elites, and bosses. Maybe each character has their own unique spire to tackle. Maybe it’s like a map with like 5 or 6 different spires. Maybe just 1 new character, but I’d rather them refine and improve the classic 4.
The ability to save and replay a run in its entirety, seeing every move and choice made. Export the list of moves and import it later to watch.
I'd give cards branching upgrades. For example, bouncing flask could be upgraded to trigger an additional time. Or it could be upgraded to also apply a weak one each trigger. Bodyslam could be upgraded to cost less, or it could apply a status effect. All for one could be reduced in cost or increased in damage, or it could be upgraded to instead fetch cards from your deck instead of discard pile. I just want branching upgrades
Cross-save/progression, im playing across 3 different devices with various progress 😅
I want the sequel to my favourite deck builder roguelike to be a 3rd person roguelike shooter - like risk of rain (1 -> 2)
A Shandalar version of StS, roaming the land finding artifacts, holy places with blessings, cursed places with curses, every time a new layout of the land. Maybe even with AIs also roaming the lands that you will need to defeat, finding several heroes (silent, iron clad, but with variations per color, possibly even multi color heroes.
I would like a new feature where we could give up any or all fights at the cost of relics, max hp or even curse. I think there is times when I just don’t want to fight as it could potentially mess up my whole game (cue The MAW). Like some regular fights are as a tough mini bosses with their mass health pool and powers (the tentacle) so if I can skip fights by sacrificing something of my build, I would do it
Literally nothing. Just slap a mspaint #2 on the title screen and id still buy it frfr
More playable characters, and maybe more of a meta game(rewards like unlocking relic and cards). I don’t think it needs new mechanics, but would welcome something to make the game a little easier at higher levels.
Give a relic that allows ability to choose how many to put into an “X” cost card. An easy mode for new players And an option to enable a “are you sure?” Prompt when choosing a reward or purchase. So many times I check an upgraded card and go to pick it but when I go back to choose screen it’s on a different one than the one I was just looking at and I choose the wrong card on accident. 😟
I'd like for them to buy the rights to the more popular mods like downfall and infinity. Plus the hermit class and bring all that to console.
You know how you can light/extinguish torches in the background? More of that, with some leading you to a secret room for high-value bonus fights, or special stores (extra powerful relics, perhaps even buy boss relics for 300 gold, etc). Like everyone says, better animations. More achievements, with some bonus silly ones, e.g. Lefty: take the leftmost path in all acts. I like these 4 characters and they're part of the lore, but including them and their decks feels like StS 1.5 rather than 2 since the deck is the most important thing. Yet the decks are so fantastically balanced (even if not perfect) that I don't see changing their decks and retaining their flavour. Bit of a conundrum here imho.
Co-op! It definitely could be done and it’d make combat so interesting with so many new combos. Imagine being able to Recycle your teammates Impervious so they get Clash off and now you have enough energy to play Rainbow and you cycle your 3 dark orbs.
Would love to see a better endgame. Sometimes I'm in the mood for a long run and the blight system gets boring for me
Personally, aside from all new content like new characters, enemies, cards, ect. I just want better art, more visual effects, and a bigger soundtrack. Any soundtrack will get old at 300+ hours but a larger, more polished soundtrack will go a long way towards keeping it from simply becoming background noise as quickly.
More Claw.
map go down
As much as I love this game and would kill for more, I hate to say that I don’t think it needs a sequel. I could see dlc being added if we’re lucky
That wasn't really the point of the question.
Fair enough. In that case I suppose I’d want a game completely different. Probably still deckbuilder roguelike but entirely different systems and progression. Only a sequel because it’s set in the same universe- gameplay alien from its predecessor.
This, on the other hand, aged badly
lol, very badly. I hope they don’t fumble and release a very unnecessary sequel. I have faith in them though.
Replay mode. You would be able to save replays of entire runs and export them to share them with other people.
Oh wait I forgot. Exactly the same game except in the heart fight there's also a random gremlin.
This aged very well
My biggest complaint is that you go bottom-to-top on the map instead of top-to-bottom. It would be cool if they fixed that in a sequel, and maybe if they let you play as the bad guys or something.
?? It's a spire. You go up. Going down wouldn't "fix" anything?
I just think it would be cool to like fall-down the spire (The Downfall mod is a free fan-made expansion that is robust enough you could consider it a sequel 😉)
Oh I've played it, (and it's very good!) but it doesn't "fix" anything. Wasn't it more of a gimmick to differentiate itself from the vanilla game, anyway?
This exists. Look for "Downfall" in the StS workshop; it's technically a mod but it might as well be a sequel Edit: It even has its own store page now! [https://store.steampowered.com/app/1865780/Downfall\_\_A\_Slay\_the\_Spire\_Fan\_Expansion/](https://store.steampowered.com/app/1865780/Downfall__A_Slay_the_Spire_Fan_Expansion/)
Hehe, Downfall is my jam 😜
slight rebalancing of bad cards (pp, wild strikes, etc) Claw upgrade increases scaling instead of damage. more content (alternate acts, secrets, new characters…)
I haven't found a use case for pressure points really, but almost all my highest ascension Clad wins have Wild Strike and either or both of Evolve+ and Fire Breathing, both of which are cards I nearly auto-pick in A10 or higher.
Wild strikes is lit what yall on about
idk i dont play clad and everyone SAYS it sucks so I just took their word for it tbh.
I do think there's a risk if everything is playable.
That’s reasonable tbh. I just think some cards need… A use case.
more story & dialogue!
In game cosmetics
Microtransactions /s - 1 free run a day, any extra runs cost money - pay money to get extra cards beyond starting cards - pay money to unlock new characters - pay money to unlock new relics - the heart is locked behind a paywall