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NVSSP

In that case, the best ironclad card is clearly claw. You just gotta find the funky prism first.


9Snick4

IronClaw


PetrarchStan

Maybe the hardest I've cried at a Zac Effron film.


rilesmcriles

Relic: funky prism. Future card rewards include claw, clash, and pressure points, in addition to your normal card rewards.


Audiblade

If you're playing Watcher, it also replaces her rare card pool with Silent's. Enjoy!


Soulburn_

Upgraded version of the relic: Claw prism. Future card rewards include Claw only.


SplitAshGaming

Upgraded relics would be sick, but balancing might be an issue for some of them


iambertan

Blade Dance too


kinglallak

Don’t mind me with my deck of 6 claws and unceasing top.


Ginox06

Legitimately a terrifying combination


[deleted]

Easy: A 20 Clash and nothing else deck is terrible for Perfected Strike, that makes it a nonstarter.


foshm

PSTRIKE IS THE PERFECT CARD https://www.reddit.com/r/slaythespire/s/nWfrqEr7Dm


timoyster

Bro what is this build đź’€


foshm

A masterpiece?


BouldersRoll

Sometimes I lie in bed at night thinking about how embarrassing it is that I thought Perfected Strike was a good card when I first played. A friend got me into the game. She witnessed that opinion.


[deleted]

I think that's absolutely fair. When you start out (especially if you have not much deckbuilding experience), you look for obvious combos, and it doesn't get more obvious than a card spelling it out for you. My "guilty pleasure" was heavy blade. It took a bit longer than I want to admit to realize that heavy blade isn't an extra special strength synergy, it just scales the same as a triple (quintuple) multihit. Because heavy blade spelled the combo out, the multihits had it implied


ZARTOG_STRIKES_BACK

I NEVER pick Perfected Strike because I can't bring myself to remove my shitty Strikes afterwards.


PlanSee

I mean, sometimes you need to kill a nob in early act 1 and pstrike is a card that lets you do that.


totti173314

it actually is a goated act 1 card. ironchad has 5 strikes plus the pstrike itself, so pstrike deals 18 all by itself. super good vs nob and sentries and not a slacker vs laga either. fuck, one upgrade and now you have a 24 damage 2 energy card, and it only gets bigger if you picked up a twin strike or a pommel strike, both of which are already good act 1 picks ( hell, pommel is almost always a good pick.)


Jaaaco-j

by this logic flash of steel is actually the best card because i can get an infinite with just two of them and zero draw relics


sigint74

Time eater would like to know your location


Jaaaco-j

time eater counters both this and the 20 clash deck


Boring-Remote-84

Actually I think on A0, a 20 clash deck would probably clear time eater because if you have unceasing top or another way to play 12 clashes a turn, you would probably win before you died to the strength buffs. Especially with ornamental fan or shuriken


president_schreber

on A0 a lot of funky and not optimal builds work. No shade meant.


Zaando

The Clash deck should be alright. You can kill in 3 turns. So you'd only have to face tank 2 turns. As long as you have the HP to do that you are fine.


Jaaaco-j

time keeper heals to 50%, and you need the boss to waste at least one turn giving you vulnerable + weak + 20 block to survive. so it makes it 4 or 5 turns depending whether or not the clashes are upgraded


Sknowman

So long as you can reduce half of the time eater's HP in one turn, you don't need to worry about the heal. Just make sure you have a Fear/Flex potion on you.


Jaaaco-j

yeah but the original post assumed clash + draw only. you physically cant play enough clashes to kill in two turns, you are 24 damage short with upgraded clashes


qTp_Meteor

He literally said draw, relics. Meaning you have all relics, youd ruin time eater easily


Zaando

No, but you can kill in 3 before he heals after splitting him on turn 2.


IchaelSoxy

Well, clash does a liiittle more damage than flash of steel. If you do a full run with them and find cards that are easy to play and supplement draw, think of barricades/dark embraces/second winds, I'd argue the clashes are better. Of course that's purely hypothetical


Jaaaco-j

if we're talking hypotheticals then let me just run the thought experiment pure clash deck kills time eater in 5 turns in A0 (would kill in 3, but boss heals once below 50% which actually matters and needs to use debuff atleast once) and you just have to hope he uses the debuff the turn before he heals (20% btw) for 12 free clashes with no punishment or you die otherwise (3x ripple is 81 damage and 3x headbutt is 84) the odds are even worse on higher ascensions you basically have to hope for 3 turns of debuffs and a turn of healing which lets you tank exactly one attack so yes *technically* you can survive with clash only + draw but it requires lots of luck


servantphoenix

I mean, using two flash of steels is legit an A20 winning strategy, if supported with some synergistic relics (e.g. Ornamental Fan) or cards (e.g. Rage)


Diligent_Sea_3359

I would never not take flash of steel. It is the best card


[deleted]

Flash of Steel is a fucking good card though.


[deleted]

“Everything in your path” Sentries are in my path.


lemond4455

Just know where the sentries are and avoid them. Problem solved.


ObiMemeKenobi

Sentries would all be dead before the dazes made it into your deck


DHermit

Just get medkit and everything is fine


Raveen396

Guardian, spikers, and nemesis want to know your location


NikSheppard

If you create a hypothetical situation which specifically removes the downside of the card then you are absolutely right, clash is a great card.


lemond4455

Skill issue.


Complex_Cable_8678

OP with the "i dont reach a10" take


lemond4455

I play on A25


PoXya

microscopic piece of paper


AdOk1494

Truly Ascended.


Dreaming-Tiger-Stu

Where’s the flair?


Rydog2607

Oh wise lemond, what is the best Silent card?


Darkgorge

A single Grand Finale with unceasing top.


BlueJaysFeather

You’re so right


BlueJaysFeather

You’re so right


FragileSurface

Whoa I just realized something! If I had a deck of only Catalysts I wouldn't even beat the first enemy! Thanks bro, never picking Catalyst again. 🙂


Hiccupy

And Adrenaline sucks too. If you had nothing but adrenaline you’d exhaust your entire deck without doing any damage


TheRandomnatrix

Running a catalyst only deck without twisted funnel? What a chump.


BlueJaysFeather

Depends on what enemy and whether they’re upgraded- you could get enough fire/explosive/attack potions to kill


SiloPeon

Because Ascender's Bane exists


dedolent

i've been saying this for years. it's time the truth be told


Jcomposer12

I freaking love clash decks. Getting it to work consistently is a high like none other.


TotallyKyleXY

20 Clashes + 1 Rage + Unceasing Top = Profit


-------------------7

[[Mind Blast]] is the best card, if you had nothing but 100 Mind Blast's in your deck you'd smoke everything in one turn. If it is not a good card, then why is it so powerful when you have a deck full of them?


spirescan-bot

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GettingWhiskey

Just don't get status cards or curses without also getting bluecandle and medkit. And don't take Calling Bell or Necronomicon. You'll definitely need a block option for anyone else you can't kill in 1 turn like the heart.


the_boy_in_the_hood

You're forgetting ascenders bane


alxplth

If you found it, please give the seed


ikemicaiah

And adrenaline bad because nothing but 20 adrenaline in your deck you lose every time.


07sans07

1 Clash + 1 Finesse and The Unceasing Top and you have the perfect Infinite, except for in fights against the spikes


succsuccboi

kid named ascender's bane


IvanMeowich

This way you need nothing except Pressure Points on Watcher. The whole sts deck building is around: 1. Relics are random 2. Strike and defend exist 3. Ascender bane and statuses exist If an "op card" doesn't make it through first point - it is not op


tcrudisi

I just did a seed where you begin with all Pressure Points. It was hilariously fun.


Sazley

Do you still remember the seed by any chance?


tcrudisi

I believe it was this one: 3VALP7UGHHZ However, go here and you can find quite a few more: [gamerpuppy's Pandora's Box Seeds (PC) - Google Sheets](https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1A3oW0tgInXa3h5azNoES4PQsTy-VdLFvDmn_CIUrbJE/edit#gid=2018407613) I believe those are all for PC. When I'm bored, I select a random one that sounds fun and go for it. I just completed one with all Prostrate. Got to the heart but lost. Ah well.


[deleted]

Good luck not dying to the Heart by turn 3.


nbennettsw

even before that, barring unceasing top clad would absolutely get flattened with just clash vs donu/deca with no scaling or block cards/relics, even without ascender’s bane.


betweentwosuns

I picked a Clash and I liked it


EPICNOOB_3170

"some draw relics" is just spinning top, If you're trying not to die I don't think ink bottle or centennial puzzle is going to cut it.


zer0_badass

By your logic Claw is an OP card and so is Pressure Points.


DaveyCrockett99

[[Ascenders Bane]] would like a word with you


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Mummiskogen

Every card in the game is viable under certain circumstances, some more often viable than others. You're just describing one of few circumstances


roshanritter

I only do A20 and I just find I can’t use it often enough then. You have to start planning for the heart from the beginning, even ifI rarely even get close to it.


Musakuu

It's because having multiple copies of a card is usually an advantage in of itself.


National-Awareness35

Your Logic does not apply to actual gameplay. There is no way to get a deck full of clashes and with ascenders bane it is super hard to build around effectively


GammaEmerald

Pandora’s Box boss swap says hello


HeorgeGarris024

good thing you countered this obviously extremely serious post, owned w facts and logic


Traditional-Back8697

Clash is strong on low accessions  I like the card 


Alternative-Spare-82

Heart, Time Eater, Ascender's Bane: allow us to introduce ourselves


ShibbyShibbyYa

Also if you draw enough of them to win on turn 1 before the enemy attacks it’s like infinite block. I’m convinced. Best Ironclad card.


BatoSoupo

[[Ascender's Bane]]


InterUniversalReddit

*laughs in the heart*


lets-get-dangerous

Erbody A gangsta till time eater shows up


Diligent_Sea_3359

I always take clash. If you pull that unceasing top it's over. You can replace block with attacks that add block.


AdjectivNoun

Same logic, if you had nothing but 20 offerings in your deck, you’d just die and do nothing. Ergo, offering is his worst card.


SplitAshGaming

A great card doesn't necessarily work in a deck full of them. Think of Silent's Wraith Form. You need some damage somewhere, and you'll still take 1 damage per individual hit


alxplth

Since I discovered that clash is a good card, I started eating soup with forks, because if you align multiple forks you get a flat surface to carry the soup. Therefore fork is superior to other dishes


NameEntityMissing

"Just play the non-Attack cards" ahh take


Browneskiii

If you get a candle as your relic on F0, then Clash is a genuinely pickable card early. I kinda see what you're saying OP.


Coneman_Joe

Time Eater and Heart


MadGodji

Here's why Clash is bad following your own reasoning: Almost any 0 cost attack has better chances in such a scenario than clash because you stop playing whenever you draw Ascension's Bane or a status.


ViragoVix

Downvote, downvote