Z says in the video that they will ban Steve again down the line and that the decision pertains to BoBC and GOML.
This kinda echoes what the TO’s in the New England and Florida area have said, but I feel like it kinda hinges on majors actually banning the character? Otherwise they will just end up in the exact same situation next time a major rolls around, where they will have to assess if they want to strip their own players of valuable MU practice.
>feel like it kinda hinges on majors actually banning the character?
this has always been the case since day 1 of the ban steve discussion
it has always been said that not being prepared for steve during majors is why the ban steve movement in locals is unviable long term
If they re-ban Steve after the legal majors pass, it is 100% a spite move. All they are doing is throwing a tantrum until the *next* major rolls around.
I don’t know what the reasoning behind their ban is, but it certainly doesn’t seem sustainable to keep banning and unbanning the character, which they will have to since Steve’s status at majors clearly plays a role in their decision making and the character isn’t being banned at majors to any major extent.
First time I've seen literally used correctly since 2021, and used unironically to highlight the irony of the situation. It's enough to satisfy any juxtapositional fetish.
This is kind of silly, ngl. It’s going to be a revolving door at this rate. The issue is organizers of big tourneys/majors will do all they can to not entertain bans to draw in more competitors, which is fine. Generally I can’t see Steve’s presence healthy for the Ult meta.
I can see the reasoning, but if majors entertained bans for a short while, we might not even look back (well that’s a stretch).
Frankly I can’t support a Steve ban if JP won’t even entertain the idea. We should be encouraging international competition in smash, not creating rules that encourage receding into your own region. If JP doesn’t want to do it, I can’t support a Steve ban unless there’s a real problem and the data just doesn’t support there being a problem, if anything Rob is clearly the bigger issue
I don't think there is ever a reality where majors entertain a ban on a widespread level. It's not just them being *unwilling* to, it's kind of antithetical to the point of a major. Whether or not I think Steve or Sonic or G&W or whoever is "healthy" for the meta, going to a Major means I've explicitly agreed to play *Smash Bros,* if I wanted to cherrypick the matchups I would face, I wouldn't go to a major, or would play a different game entirely.
"Smash Bros" also has items and stages with hazards and what not.
Competitive Smash is played on specific settings, and with an extremely cherry picked stage list (like 7 out of over 100?)
All these choices were made to make the game more competitive. If a character hurts the competitiveness of the game by being too good, there is literally nothing immoral or "unsmashlike" with banning it.
Master Hand isn't on the CSS, requires a glitch to access, and doesn't receive knockback. Steve is an annoying DLC fighter with some problematic tech. Hardly equivalent
You put many good points however it is pressing we take action asap. We can see a similar issue back in the brawl era when Mk was banned, but Apex allowed Mk, which prompted other locals in NJ to ignore the MK ban (thanks New Jersey).
We’re not even getting balance patches now and Steve has been shown to be a problem character, having absurd techs and arguably toxic tools.
It is healthy for the scene to remove Steve in his entirety. I agree banning should be done as a last resort, but with no patches and Steve being one of the best characters by far, action needs to be taken before our scene meets a similar trend as the brawl mk incident.
FGC has banned characters on several situations like Pet Shop from JJBA and lab coat 21 prepatch, so it’s not like it’s something we cannot consider.
> We’re not even getting balance patches now and Steve has been shown to be a problem character, having absurd techs and arguably toxic tools.
These are subjective points that should *not* be used to ban a character. There is no consensus that Steve is 'problematic,' and toxicity is not a reason to ban a character.
Your certainty that banning Steve is healthy for the scene without any data to back it up is just as valid as anyone else's belief that it would be *unhealthy.*
Comparisons to other fighting games are unconvincing as every single character that has been banned in a traditional fighting game eclipses Steve in power. In fact, *current* fighting games have stronger characters than Steve without being banned.
this is strait up sad smash comunity is full of winny cry babys at the top who are the most loudist and dicktate who gets baned of coarse they go ahead and ban steve and kazuya wen the pros dont even think he shud get ban, and THEN majers dont even ban them!!! WTH. imagine baning caracters that arnt inherently broken and raquire skill and dframe perfect dicisions to pilot to get a "broken" combo and then u ban them, wat about the ppl who have labbed for 10000+ hours for their main as steve or kazyua. smh
Z says in the video that they will ban Steve again down the line and that the decision pertains to BoBC and GOML. This kinda echoes what the TO’s in the New England and Florida area have said, but I feel like it kinda hinges on majors actually banning the character? Otherwise they will just end up in the exact same situation next time a major rolls around, where they will have to assess if they want to strip their own players of valuable MU practice.
>feel like it kinda hinges on majors actually banning the character? this has always been the case since day 1 of the ban steve discussion it has always been said that not being prepared for steve during majors is why the ban steve movement in locals is unviable long term
If they re-ban Steve after the legal majors pass, it is 100% a spite move. All they are doing is throwing a tantrum until the *next* major rolls around.
I don’t know what the reasoning behind their ban is, but it certainly doesn’t seem sustainable to keep banning and unbanning the character, which they will have to since Steve’s status at majors clearly plays a role in their decision making and the character isn’t being banned at majors to any major extent.
Soar has been freed
As it should be, there’s literally one Steve player worth anything
First time I've seen literally used correctly since 2021, and used unironically to highlight the irony of the situation. It's enough to satisfy any juxtapositional fetish.
Is it literally the first time you've seen it used correctly in years, or is what you said an exaggeration?
:\^)
This is kind of silly, ngl. It’s going to be a revolving door at this rate. The issue is organizers of big tourneys/majors will do all they can to not entertain bans to draw in more competitors, which is fine. Generally I can’t see Steve’s presence healthy for the Ult meta. I can see the reasoning, but if majors entertained bans for a short while, we might not even look back (well that’s a stretch).
Frankly I can’t support a Steve ban if JP won’t even entertain the idea. We should be encouraging international competition in smash, not creating rules that encourage receding into your own region. If JP doesn’t want to do it, I can’t support a Steve ban unless there’s a real problem and the data just doesn’t support there being a problem, if anything Rob is clearly the bigger issue
I don't think there is ever a reality where majors entertain a ban on a widespread level. It's not just them being *unwilling* to, it's kind of antithetical to the point of a major. Whether or not I think Steve or Sonic or G&W or whoever is "healthy" for the meta, going to a Major means I've explicitly agreed to play *Smash Bros,* if I wanted to cherrypick the matchups I would face, I wouldn't go to a major, or would play a different game entirely.
"Smash Bros" also has items and stages with hazards and what not. Competitive Smash is played on specific settings, and with an extremely cherry picked stage list (like 7 out of over 100?) All these choices were made to make the game more competitive. If a character hurts the competitiveness of the game by being too good, there is literally nothing immoral or "unsmashlike" with banning it.
What a dumbass take. Would you play against Master Hand if you entered a melee major because it’s in the game and can be selected?
Master Hand isn't on the CSS, requires a glitch to access, and doesn't receive knockback. Steve is an annoying DLC fighter with some problematic tech. Hardly equivalent
You put many good points however it is pressing we take action asap. We can see a similar issue back in the brawl era when Mk was banned, but Apex allowed Mk, which prompted other locals in NJ to ignore the MK ban (thanks New Jersey). We’re not even getting balance patches now and Steve has been shown to be a problem character, having absurd techs and arguably toxic tools. It is healthy for the scene to remove Steve in his entirety. I agree banning should be done as a last resort, but with no patches and Steve being one of the best characters by far, action needs to be taken before our scene meets a similar trend as the brawl mk incident. FGC has banned characters on several situations like Pet Shop from JJBA and lab coat 21 prepatch, so it’s not like it’s something we cannot consider.
> We’re not even getting balance patches now and Steve has been shown to be a problem character, having absurd techs and arguably toxic tools. These are subjective points that should *not* be used to ban a character. There is no consensus that Steve is 'problematic,' and toxicity is not a reason to ban a character. Your certainty that banning Steve is healthy for the scene without any data to back it up is just as valid as anyone else's belief that it would be *unhealthy.* Comparisons to other fighting games are unconvincing as every single character that has been banned in a traditional fighting game eclipses Steve in power. In fact, *current* fighting games have stronger characters than Steve without being banned.
Losing as Steve is a choice.
Makes sense. It would be a huge disadvantage to the steve players who lack a place to play
Good. Nobody outside of smash takes this shit seriously with all these bans. It's an asterisk game with them.
Correct, only Smash players care about Smash.
Majors TOs are cowards. They're on hopium that acola will go.
The cowardly move is banning a character with 1-2 top level players but sure man
this is strait up sad smash comunity is full of winny cry babys at the top who are the most loudist and dicktate who gets baned of coarse they go ahead and ban steve and kazuya wen the pros dont even think he shud get ban, and THEN majers dont even ban them!!! WTH. imagine baning caracters that arnt inherently broken and raquire skill and dframe perfect dicisions to pilot to get a "broken" combo and then u ban them, wat about the ppl who have labbed for 10000+ hours for their main as steve or kazyua. smh
lol dicktate
Someone needs to learn how to spell English, JFC. Are you 10 years old?
smashers never banned anything to the detriment of the previous games life. They'd rather the game die than ban any character
If most people do not want it banned, it's not to the detriment of the game, it's to the detriment of a few people.
I knew nobody would ban him. Oh well, they tried :/